2018 HARLEY DAVIDSON DYNA...OR SOFTAIL?

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[@leestuart38]

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[@evanslouie]

100% agree! The Dyna Harley culture was what appeals to young riders.

[@keithhgallop7232]

I like the street bobs stock bobber look waaaaaaay more then the dyna. 96ci vs 107 ci lol 4 valves per head? Extra sparkplug...the Milwaukee 8 is a way better platform

[@bearwolffish]

They need to bring it back, prices getting too high.

[@fleischegurken]

If Harley brought back the FXR, the Dyna going away wouldn't sting quite as bad...

[@ShadowACE1998]

I love my Dyna, but I would trade her in a heart beat for a FXR.

[@F250HD]

fleischegurken would be all dreams come true

[@q.cmuuntajaan7684]

Maybe they replace those FXR and Dyna lines with c.e.o line ;D

[@TheRidingObsession]

The only response I have is so harsh that I feel terrible saying it but ... imagine if both the Dyna and FXR were two of your kid sisters and they'd kidnapped one, offering to return the other. You get me.

[@John_shepard]

If that happened a lot of people would aspire to work there ass off for one unlike the new ones which will take a few years to adjust to (which they may not ever )

[@98Kentuckian]

If Harley dedicated as much time and resources into bikes as they do their t-shirts/merchandising they would be on the right track

[@draganm7823]

supermotoboy400 HD IS moving in the right direction. The bikes are A LOT lighter than 5 lbs. The monoshock is much better and there is adjustment. What is this guy talking about? Races are only won in the corners??? I couldnt watch the entire video due to so much trash talking, dyna wobble?? Whatever. Ride safe

[@jaysmith7137]

Dragan M you call 5lbs alot lighter?

[@peteyboy6629]

If you didn't watch the whole video why comment? You missed valid points both positive and negative. So for what is this guy talking about, he's a hell of alot more informed, than your short attention span allows.

[@RedCrowhop]

Too bad making it 5 pounds lighter seems to have cost so damn much, the baseline sticker price went way up .I did better than that on weight reduction on another bike I own by simply taking the center stand off and throwing it in the woods ( for free ),and just use the side stand.Could do that on a Softail too,if they came with a center stand .but i guess it's a good thing they don't cause even though a center stand prolly costs like 50 bucks to make if it was a Harley center stand it would cost 250 easily lmao.

[@tax905972]

The make more on those t-shirts and can do both.BUY THE BIKES !!!!

[@zzt0p16]

I totally agree on the the social media thing. You and the hooligans are the reason I even considered riding a harley. Even if it is just a sportster.

[@boisedynaa]

I 100% agree with you Lee. Getting rid of the Dyna completely is foolish. And it sucks to see it go. I know you follow and support shadetree surgeon, as do I. He hit the nail in the head as well. They unavailing of the new line and giving them to millionaire celebrities. Not letting working class people who made the brand what it is today keep the bikes. It's a total shame in my eyes. Love you Lee. Thanks for the Autograph brother. See you in the next video

[@dylandream2248]

I tested both back to back , do not miss FXR since riding new FXLR ST

[@Mike-jv8bv]

6 years later and this comment doesn't hold up very well. Harley getting rid of the dyna platform was actually a good thing, Softail chasis is far superior for handling and completely eliminates any issues with the death wobble.the m8 also makes way more power than the twin cams.

[@boisedynaa]

@@Mike-jv8bv well it’s been 6 years 😂. Cant predict the future.

[@Mike-jv8bv]

@boisedynaa dont take my remark as all bad though. The dyna does look cool as hell and has incredible styling arguably better than the softail in terms of looks. The issue was the rubber mounted engine and deathwobble. Harley had to get rid of it and its amazing that they even produced it for as long as they did. Softail chasis fixes all of those weakpoints and frame flex and is a bit lighter yet stronger rigidity wise.

[@markmatthews1980]

I didn't scroll through to see if someone mentioned this but the new dynas are not water cooled. The Heat exchange in the front is an oil cooler.

[@paulhertzog5838]

Mark Matthews same here I just found out that it is oil cooled. Everyone I know assumed water cooled so kind of a shock when ppl hear

[@james-l9172]

The dyna was definitely the best thing they had going can't believe they canned it and then tried to name all the soft tails with the dyna names like people wouldn't notice.

[@RedCrowhop]

I have a 2004 sporty that was a 883 that i added the 1200 kit too, the only thing that had me thinking about upgrading was the Dynas....and now they CANNED them. Scratch one sale for HD , hell with it i'll just keep my Sportster now , I bet the price on used Dynas will freaking skyrocket now too so i prolly won't be able to find a decent used one i can afford either.

[@boarder989]

RedCrowhop well said. If I decide to add another Harley it'll be used and not from an HD dealer.

[@cdyoude]

I've never been a softail fan. My Dyna has performed every function I've asked of it from throwing bags on for several 1,800 plus mile trips. Or stripping it down for the daily commutes to work. It will run on road or off and it's still going strong with 132,567 miles on the clock. When it wears out I'll do what I always do. Get something cheap to ride while I rebuild it.

[@Moonfleet41]

Totally agree Lee, every time things look like they're going a bit "performance", and the fast lads start to get interested... they go and pull the plug... Just ask Eric Buell..!

[@BikesDrones]

I hear you brother, wont be trading my 2009 Buell XB12Ss for any of these low performance, bad handling, poor braking, peg scraping Harley Fergusons anytime soon. 😋

[@YouMotorcycle]

Used to work for the Motor Company's arm in Canada. Never seen any of your videos before. All I had to do was see this one to subscribe. You absolutely nailed it.

[@nllommertnl]

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[@bearbergmann2782]

Ride one Lee... Took a Fat Bob for a rip yesterday and it was awesome. Suspension, power, even the transmission was great.

[@Zach_A]

So as a mid twenty's male, I'm sure Harley would love to get me into buying their products. Literally the only bike they made that interested me even a little bit was the Dyna. I guess I'll stick with the Japanese for now.

[@mr.b3168]

There's Indians....

[@DrRynsta]

The Indian Scout is one hell of a bike, 550lbs with 1200cc, 100HP and a rev limiter north of 8,250 RPMs. Maybe not exactly the power-band the Dyna offered, but the Scout definitely holds up in the ring.

[@geekverve]

I turn 50 this year and just started riding. The Dyna was the only HD I was interested in as well, so it's not just the younger riders who are left scratching their heads. Probably a moot point. When I'm ready to drop that kind of cash on a big bike, it will probably be an Indian, anyway.

[@terahz1]

I was looking at Indian myself even before all this. Test rode a few models and was really impressed with them. They have something HD has been lacking for a long time in my opinion. I even ride HDs currently (do like my 04 Road King a lot)

[@tax905972]

Everyone is bitchen about the loss of the Dyna line ,but failed to ask why? Guess what, all that cry about their choice haven't brought one in years .Why keep it if you pricks are not buying them new ? You cry but you buy used which dose nothing to keep the company afloat .

[@jeffhauserman8553]

As soon as I heard they were dropping the Dyna I bought a 17 wide glide. I'm glad I was lucky enough to still get a new one I just picked it up a few days ago

[@octqne]

Your right about the stunt riders. Dynas and FXRs are what got me into harley. Im not a big fan of couches. Anyway Unknown Industries is what introduced me to it.

[@robertlumsden942]

I bought a new 2018 Heritage 114 and I love it. most people don't ride crazy. now we got a good reliable bike. change is good man. I am an older guy and I like the look. the black out has grown on me. well done Harley Davidson.

[@mothman4676]

Shadetree sent me👍

[@mothman4676]

ピーター lol catch me outside how bout dat

[@killswitch0099]

By you saying that, you prove the point...

[@dry509]

Saw a Harley stunt show and the guys also rode mostly 1993-2003 Sportsters? What do you think about them?

[@MrOatmeal5150]

I feel like.... Dyna Riders be like: I ride a Dyna because it has the overall best handling and performance of all the H-D's. I ride hard and I don't pick my bikes based on looks. H-D be like: Here Dyna guys. We've made you something. It's got a bigger, smoother motor with more power. Updated front suspension. It's 35 pounds lighter, frame is 65% stronger and has a more modern mono shock to get rid of that stupid rubber mount and trans mount swing arm.... So no more death wobble! And just for the hell of it, we made the frame a little more attractive. Because, let's be honest. Nobody ever thought two ugly ass shocks hanging out on the side of the bike looked all that good. Dyna Riders be like: ...... Gay! H-D: Ummmn, why? Dyna Riders be like: ...... Ummmn, because I've already got too much invested in Facebook, Dyna page T-shirts?

[@415ofaloto]

MrOatmeal5150 lol you win

[@620turbo]

MrOatmeal5150 FXR owners be like "fuck your counterbalances, we saw what happened when people tried to hot rod the counterbalanced twin cams". Beyond the marketing speak, the new bike still sacrifices rigidity for style, and price for quality. The rubber mounts were there so you could avoid balancers. Also, take note of the only "mid" control bike (low Rider). The controls are swept back from forward mounts. There is no actual mid control mount option. What they're doing is focusing on barcalounger riders. That crowd has money now, but they're going to die off, and the reckless youth crowd will have nothing invested in the brand when they come of age. This is at best a stop-gap to gasp for more old dudes to buy new bikes. The crowd driving the used Dyna/FXR market has no desire to ride a bike that can't be modded, and there's no reason for an aftermarket to latch on to these bikes. The people who want adjustable suspension and big power won't buy a bike with counterbalances and forward controls.

[@eric3007]

@@620turbo how can the new bikes not be modded? Pretty sure they can ;)

[@andrewmonaghan7704]

A twin cam dyna with a carby would be the go. No computer, no abs just a basic bike. If I have one more problem with my twin cams computer its coming out and car by put in.

[@OutdoorsintheMitten]

I think Harley should have sent you a bike for unveiling... seriously you have probably made the 18-30 year old market for Harley skyrocket, and your cool as shit so ya. HARLEY SEND LEE A BIKE DANGIT!

[@AronaathWoW]

I just got my first Harley a few months ago, I went from a Yamaha 1100 vtwin to my 883 sportster ( which I do not plan to keep stock engine wise... ) I know the sporties aren't looked at like the dynas in terms of performance but I've seen some pretty cool things done to them.. I was all obsessed with keeping it clean and taking it easy for about the first week and then I just started absolutely beating the shit out of it... I was hesitant because I'm only 21 and have never spent so much money on a vehicle but then I realized how much abuse these things can take... I'm disappointed with the new line because I thought after the low rider s Harley was going in an amazing direction but I'm not so sure about it now... however your still gunna see me riding my sporty on 1 wheel and dragging around corners pushing it as much as I possibly can, wouldn't trade it for anything in the world ( except a low rider s)

[@mopar21]

AronaathWoW 29 years old and on a fxdls now, first bike was a xl883, did heads pistons cylinders cams rods mikuni carb ignition, the works. Lil shit was a rocket.

[@2WheelsCorner]

Indian sales are putting a heavy push against Harley aswell. It's a race to snag younger generations

[@mrh3085]

Colin Mceachern I believe Indian has less than 10% of the cruiser market. Not sure how the market is divided up by CC's but Harley has grater than 50% last I saw... The entire motorcycle industry sales as a whole is down. Everything is circular.

[@timothytrottierii6645]

Colin Mceachern indian has it in the bag with the scout. I mean 100hp out the box. Thats flat out badass

[@kennyfriend339]

Colin Mceachern Not true. Indian sales are shit compared to Harley and other makes. Polaris dropped the Victory just to support the so called "Indian." Indian production damn near put Polaris under in 2016. If people think Harleys are expensive check out the price on the Chief! $29k for a fake name, cast aluminum, chrome vandium, flashy bike.

[@SineOccasu]

Don't even get me started on Polaris and their fuckuppery haha! The Scout was a step in the right direction, and since then have been progressively walking backwards.

[@nickburnley5041]

The victory light cruiser and the Scout were technically almost the same bike. Consolidating the tech from both names under one Iconic brand was a good move. The 2017 Dyna Low Rider S was my dream bike. Until I rode the Scout Sixty and the Scout. Then Indian Released the Scout Bobber which was everything I wanted in a light cruiser. And out the door brand new, the Scout Bobber is 8 - 9K cheaper depending on the dealer. Indian wins a 24 ear old Honda rider like me over because of the price tag. My bike shouldn't cost twice as much as my car.

[@Dashcam100]

I'm glad I got a 2015 Fat Bob. Been doing a lot of customization with it, and looking at the 2018, it doesn't seem designed for customization. It looks fun for the streets, but spending that much money you want to be able to add stuff to make it comfortable for the long rides as well.

[@chrisrogerson5893]

Agree with everything you just said!

[@Chance-ry1hq]

That’s because you’re a sheep.🐑

[@tdenman9115]

I bought a 2017 Dyna Low Rider and I LOVE it! It's the only one I would have purchased. Threw on a new seat and a set of Vance & Hines Big Shots - AWESOME! I went to the 2018 "reveal", and all I could think is that the sound was SO quiet. Also, I would think the new satin and other finishes are going to make it hard to upgrade exhaust and other things for while without looking weird.

[@BrianMDIY]

I just picked up a 2006 Vulcan 900. It's seeming very 2018 HD right about now.

[@MotoErgoSum]

You could use the USB to power your GoPro. Also handy to charge your phone on long trips. Otherwise, mine mostly goes unused.

[@LESC20]

Wait so let's get this straight. The new bikes come out and your going for a 2017 dyna... BECAUSE HD SCREWED UP! I'm with you 100% tho. That FXDLS is Hella bad ass

[@shawnmcdonald9632]

For years since I had the 2003 883 I've been wanting a dyna fxdl.. Finally in 2016 i bought a new dyna fxdl low rider with the 103 engine in it. I've put on the forward control's because I'm 6 foot and a nice Memphis shades gauntlet fairing with of course a Vance and hines 2 into 1 twin slash slip on. I must say I'm so happy I bought it when I did!! I'm 32 and Harley is old-school! People want that! Love my dyna fxdl!

[@bryanfrederick6384]

Long time Dyna low rider well rider, looks like I will be keep'n my 17 low rider S for a very long time or until The ppl at harley change out their Bong water What Hell were they thinking !

[@OnPointFirearms]

Same here. Thank God I pulled the trigger on the FXDLS and didn't wait for the 2018s.

[@mopar21]

Me too :-) 2017 FXDLS

[@dylandream2248]

I had 94 Dyna , was going to get last year for Dyna 2017 with 103. Once I test rode 18 FXLR there’s no way I could go back to Dyna. Much better bike

[@rolandh8058]

The rubber mounted non-balanced shake is awesome, and losing that is the most aggravating thing. I have a 2007 Street Bob and was almost going to seriously consider a 2018. But none of them really make me have to have one. Considering putting on some special motor mounts, by Big Bear Choppers, or Chopper Hauss, they are supposed to eliminate the "Dyna wobble", or tendency to creep off track in corners.

[@fedricoekkelenkamp5384]

i got my dyna low rider-s in 2016. The new 2018 is not a low rider. It is a softail with low rider parts.

[@tonyvancauwenberghe3171]

Hi Stuart, nice vids! But did you ride the new fatbob 114? I agree with what you said here but tje fatbob os still outstanding in my opinion no?

[@Vanrocco66]

Triumph is licking their chops! .. and they should be!

[@mopar21]

fivefootsixtriumph Bonneville is sweet! And that's coming from a Harley-Davidson owner ;-)

[@dustinbarber8458]

I had the chance to ride a few of the "dynatails" this weekend. I agree they are not a dyna. But I was very surprised at how smooth they ride. And the fat bob is a beast. I have a 15 fat bob, and the difference in the way the 2 ride is night and day. I felt like it was riding a sportster, but with actual suspension. Tossing it into a turn was so easy. The lean angle, is fantastic. I was trying to scrape peg and felt like I just couldn't get it over far enough. And the 114 power is crazy. I do hate that they got rid of the dyna line. But the replacements aren't as bad as people think. They really do handle very well.

[@dadtrap]

So question number 1 have you test ridden one ? Probably not. Have you done a burnout on one ? Have you done a wheelie on one No I bet. Before you be a hater ride one and then give your opinion. Everyone said the same shit about the Dyna when it can=me out.

[@dantton1987]

Andrew Trapani Agreed. Don't even know this dude, it was just a recomended video. But the "critique" he makes is pathetic. The only point he makes is "Waaaaaa I want muh dyna". The fact is the new chassis looks very promising, the engine also. I mean, even this cry baby shitting on a product he never even tryed acknowledged the advances in suspension, engine vibration, engine mounting, power, etc. He is missing the point. That being: the 2018 lineup is an evolution for both the dynas AND the softails.

[@exoskeletal7742]

Andrew Trapani - so, I did yesterday. No deal. The Fat Boy looks okay but at the end of the day I'll take an FXDLS all day long. Good look on the softgyna.

[@austinp9803]

Softails are not good for wheeling...

[@dadtrap]

Wrong my buddy just got an 18 Fat Boy and within two hours wheeled it.

[@ceb316]

Andrew Trapani post that vid. Would love to see it and hear his reviews of the bikes response.

[@RB-pq9bn]

Bought a Lowrider S about a month ago because I heard rumor that the dyna line was getting axed. As excited as I tried to get on the new line up, i just had a suspicion that we'd be getting the typical less for more from Harley. Buying my Dyna might have been best decision this year now. You hit everything spot on brother. Keep putting in work, and I'll keep watching. Great job Lee

[@peterfalconer2143]

lt's neither Softail nor Dyna, lt's a completely new bike.Staying with the individual model names is good but ''Softail'' should have gone as they've done with ''Dyna''.

[@joethebar1]

peter falconer monotail

[@peterfalconer2143]

l'd drop that part of the name altogether tbh. Go with something like the FLH models, Harley Davidson Lowrider, Harley Davidson Fatboy, Harley Davidson Fatbob etc.

[@peterfalconer2143]

l'm not changing brands just because they don't make what l ride anymore. They're not here in Australia yet but l cant wait to ride a new Streetbob to see what they're like.

[@petermoscardo4369]

Four valves, mono shock, ABS, harnessed with biggest brand name in motorcycles and 107 Milwaukee 8 in a classic Slim bobber, I'm sold!

[@nthngtoloseaudio8400]

Shadetree surgeon sent me here....

[@PhilOsGarage]

James jroq Norton me too!

[@troybart8991]

Me Also.

[@Kori-T]

James jroq Norton same here

[@q.cmuuntajaan7684]

I´m here because Shadetree told so

[@mickdromgool7732]

me too

[@zachzorlac9839]

You're so right. Dynamite Crew and other various Instagram accounts who did stunts on the dyna were the only reason I ever thought of getting a Harley.

[@Hellboy5727]

its not good.... R.I.P. dyna.....

[@stillshreddin]

You're right Lee, it wasn't Harley that brought in the younger buyers. growing up I've always thought of Harley as "the old man's bike". I would have never been caught on one, with the exception of a bobbed out sporty. That was until I stumbled apon your videos. I quickly realized that with a set of bar risers and protapers you can completely change the look and style of the bike. And watching you shred one just added icing to the cake. Lee, you and a few others have changed my opinion on Harley. Hopefully one day Harley Davidson will pull it's head out of it's ass and realize that. Keep on living the dream man!

[@marcmo7138]

all of the SOA fans are mad the dynas gone.

[@mrh3085]

marc mo they can still circle jerk to the reruns though.

[@mopar21]

Lol well when the street XG750 and 500 fail to bring new riders and continue getting their ass whooped by Indian and the old timers buying ultras die off...what will Harley-Davidson have?

[@dry509]

Want a Dyna. What year, which model..which one should I get..thanks. Or which bike that has a good suspension and brakes?

[@TheRealGhostGM]

Harley is f...d, 2017 they basically told their customers that they could not make their Harley's sound like A Harley without voiding their warranty and now they just alienated an entire sector of customers very faithful to the Dyna family, I know for a fact that there are people that will never step foot in a H-D dealership again over this. Oh and the " New" softails are FUGLY!!!!

[@metome1484]

i always was a metric rider, but for years i wanted a harley now i changed my mind if next year 2019 they didn’t change their ugly motorcycles i am going towards german bikes and i totally forgot about buying a harley

[@mopar21]

Fysl Fysl thats what it will take for the Moco to build what we want, not what they want us to want.

[@R3DBULLX23]

Couldn't agree with this video more. Precisely why I bought one of the last 2017 dynas to be sold.

[@matrox]

Man you are so FOS. Have you ridden one yet? The bikes are 35lbs lighter not 5lbs. I'll file this under Fake News for the Millennials.

[@mopar21]

matrox ooooh 35 pounds? Take the stock exhaust off of a 17 and you will accomplish that. Keep bashing millenials, they're who will ultimately be relied upon to keep Harley-Davidson afloat. You can tell by the dumb usb port and the fruity motorclothes offerings lol. Just my .02, blue collar 29 year old on my 4th new Harley-Davidson, 2017 FXDLS. Later.

[@martyportersr7008]

matrox This dude loves to hear himself talk. All that talk and then says he has a hard-on for a road glide. Yes you are correct on the specs. I love my 18 Fatboy 114!

[@ZaKattack52]

I respect your opinion. You made some very good points. The fact that they even put a mono shock on the bike has me pretty happy. Can't wait to swap the stock one out for maybe an ohlins mono shock. Hopefully they made them somewhat universal so you can BUY stuff that isn't from Harley but I doubt it. One question before I go, what exactly about the old dyna died? In my opinion these bikes are similar besides the obvious frame differences, which seem to be an improvement in many ways. Thanks and keep on riding brah.

[@BikersGarage101]

HD is not about performance these days. Maybe the first 20 years of the company, yeah... But Lee, man, for the past 50 years its NEVER been about performance. Its about the experience. Maybe you should consider... moving on bro! In any case: there are two types of motorcycles, Harley Davidson and all the rest. End of conversation. Peace and ride safe!

[@mopar21]

Biker's Garage 101 ummm then why was Harley-Davidson able to absolutely kill it with the fxdls and suck balls a year later?

[@draganm8239]

Biker's Garage 101 Well said. There will always be haters and their jealousy will always cloud their minds because they are so close minded. That's ok though because those of us that ride Harley's know the truth and the real facts. ride safe.

[@draganm8239]

Steel is the cheapest material to make shit out of? That is one of the most assenine comments ever. No point talking with someone that has the mind of a three year old. Peace! By the way your next comment will most likely be a threat so I'll save you the time......I live in Winnipeg, in case you'de like to visit. peace!

[@VittorioSergi]

that's is such a given, if you want performance you dont get a HD, or comfort, or reliability, or mpg, or maintenance cost. well you get a HD because it is a harley, it's hard to find any reasonable pro after that

[@draganm8239]

Vittorio Sergi I strongly disagree. The HD's actually perform quite well considering the weight, especially with the 110 and the new M8 motors, and the comfort levels high. That's if you keep things in perspective but many people can't seem to keep things in proper perspective as is clear from their comments. Ride safe!

[@favss10]

Adding an adjustable suspension would be awesome for those who know how to do it. But most of the population doesn't even adjust the preload on the shock or even know what that does on the bikes. the added cost for such a set up would not be worth it to majority of the customers or to Harley. So for the few that want to be able to adjust the suspension aren't going to want to use a factory shock anyway. The are going to go in way of aftermarket where they can get a shock that can be built for their weight and desires.

[@mrh3085]

Everyone feels uncomfortable with change. That being said nothing stays the same. You can either embrace change or kick and scream like a petulant child but it's still going to change. Maybe you should ride the new bikes before plugging your ears and stomping your feet? Or you could start your own company and build the perfect motorcycle.

[@dave6467]

Patrick, I don't think it's 'change' itself that's got so many people annoyed. It's that the changes have not all been positive enough and in many cases have failed to deliver on expectations. This is where HD has a number of problems, particularly with their new vehicle engineering, where new product is being introduced despite falling short in a number of areas.

[@mrh3085]

Dave 646 have you ridden ANY of the new Softail's? If you haven't your thoughts are unfounded and just noise. If you have ridden the bikes and truly find them underwhelming then feel free to buy something else. Personally Harley didn't make and still doesn't make what I wanted so I created what I wanted.

[@dave6467]

Patrick, no I've not ridden one. I get your comment about 'noise' but it's just my opinion and fortunately we get this forum to give it. I've never owned a Harley but have owned many, many, European and Japanese bikes over a 30 year riding period. I have ridden one recently (a Roadster) and was really disappointed with some obvious faults with it. As for this video I'm just going by other comments I've read both on here and other videos on the same subject.

[@mrh3085]

Dave 646 thank you for making my point. Yes you do have this form and the right to express your opinion but why do so before experiencing the product? Only sheep and the weak minded blindly follow others without first educating themselves. This isn't a $30 blender or a Yelp review on a pizza joint. Feel free to disagree about Harley Davidson's new lineup. But do yourself a favor and do so from an educated point of view. Not just a "me too" point of view. At least then your opinions will be one of substance. Ride safe.

[@dave6467]

Yes, you're right, of course. To make a really informed and accurate comment I need to try these machines myself. The only problem with doing so is that, having not previously been a Harley Davidson owner, I have no real terms of reference, no "base-line", hence why I'm interested in the views of those who have a more intimate experience of the range. But, yep, I really do need to try one for myself. Who knows, I may just like it. Cheers.

[@ccrider77]

Your take on the new changes are right on target. Amazing to me that Harley would kill the Dyna when club bikes are so popular right now. I used to have an FXR - which was a fantastic motorcycle, and I currently have a Dyna, which is about as good as a modern Harley gets. It's disappointing to see them cut their own balls off like this...

[@bah667]

LGBTHD

[@club1loner806]

Brett Hunter LMAO!!

[@gorillahd9247]

As the owner of a 1999 FXDX and a 2015 FLSTF I agree with you. The improvements to the softail line will help that one sector of the lineup but it really hurts the overall layout of the lineup by dropping the performance based dynas. Sad days... Scott

[@AV8R_1]

If you want a sport bike, buy a fucking sport bike.

[@zachbroderick2887]

Night and day difference between high end and low end torque.

[@mopar21]

Easy to say when the old timers buying baggers and heritages find their way to their local nursing home and it will be on mine and future generations to support Harley-Davidson Motor Company. FXDLS and FXR were the baddest bikes to roll out of the factory. These new bikes are smoke and mirrors...

[@calemitchell5764]

Harley is is the equivalent of Apple in the motorcycle industry.

[@jordanm913]

hipster tears are real

[@mopar21]

Jordan Monschein lol 29 year old blue collar Midwesterner here, far from hipster, but definitely unimpressed with 2018 hdmc offerings

[@kenc3453]

Couldn't agree more with what you said Lee. The Fat Bob is the only bike I'd even consider this year

[@Motoxryder247]

There going to lose alot of customers!!!

[@timothy9596]

*a lot

[@tax905972]

Everyone is bitchen about the loss of the Dyna line ,but failed to ask why? Guess what, all that cry about their choice haven't brought one in years .Why keep it if you pricks are not buying them new ? You cry but you buy used which dose nothing to keep the company afloat .

[@RedCrowhop]

Duane, learn to fucking spell, and then after that don't make broad ass lying statements like " all you people complaining haven't bought a bike in years". You don't have a way to know what anyone has or has not bought when and are just talking out your ass .

[@tax905972]

How much have you actually spent to help keep Harley in business?

[@RedCrowhop]

"Actually sales are down due to lack of sales." Did you figure that out by yourself Duane? Sales are down , due to lack of sales ? What exactly other reason would there be, genius? Motorcycle sales are down across the entire HD lineup, as well as across the entire Motorcycle industry period, affecting ALL Manufacturers. The fucking issue is , you implied the Dyna sales were down in some way that was worse than the accepted industry standard of being down overall , for everyone on all models , and you have yet to provide a single bit of evidence to support that statement. "Sales are down, due to lack of sales" - Duane Howard ,Super Genius 2017.

[@sammybrown6730]

I am curious how the new monoshock will compare to the fxr? I am sure it crushes a stock fxr but what about if they both had top notch suspension on them? Would the fxr come out on top or would this new bike?

[@Sunbear415]

Harley's for transgenders???

[@JohnnyRebKy]

Worst mistake I ever made was selling my 2002 Dyna Wide Glide. Last year with a carburetor and the timken crank. Rode the hell out of that bike and never a single problem. Loved the carburetor REAL Harley sound! Seeing where Harley is going I should have kept the damn thing forever.

[@donovanlewis7142]

The Dyna was such a trash platform. It was 30 year old tech of a frame that twisted to shit. It should have been removed 10 years ago.

[@ccrider77]

And the Softail is better? Don't think so...

[@donovanlewis7142]

+Chris C Of course it was not better thats why they go rid of that too and made an all new Hybrid Softail platform. You do know the Softail is all new right its not the same bike?

[@mrh3085]

Chris C it's not the same Softail frame or suspension. ALL NEW! Much stiffer, stronger and lighter. #DoUread?

[@ccrider77]

Of course it's not the same, but it's still a Softail - This time with a monoshock mounted high and under the seat, like Victory, Yamaha, Honda and Suzuki. #DoUspell?

[@mrh3085]

Chris C and your point is...?

[@chrislettenmaier6822]

I agree with you I was totally shocked when I heard that Harley cut the Dyna class and possibly made mine a collector item. What's next to cut the sportster???

[@bobelgv3]

Nice video! I avoid Harley-Davidson bikes but watching you ride one has always sparked my interest. The new line up makes me avoid their market entirely now. I ride canyons and do group meet ups and I could only see myself on the Fat Bob. But the only way I could ever afford that is if I sold my kidney on the black market. Keep up the great work Lee!

[@larrypeterson526]

I've been riding Harley's for over 50 years, and I agree with you. The Dyna was the last link to the old FL since really the 1958 Duo-Glide. A shame to see it go. You got an old timer new subscriber. Ride safe brother.....

[@Steve-qs5uy]

I think that lineup is great they have so many cool looking bikes now good job HD

[@joojr2779]

You really like the Road Glide fairing? It is hard for me to get passed it but I know why people love it. If you don't look at the front and just ride it, fantastic bike.

[@Jolsen002]

Lee you are still our hero. Keep up the great work.

[@michaelpicard6792]

Sad to see the dyna go but change has come. The M8 is a beast. Just bought my first softail. 2018 fat boy and I absolutely love it. Best decision ever.

[@ptnomore]

Old Softail guy here. Have a '98 Springer that I just finished putting new adjustable Progressive Shocks on, and hopefully will be finishing up with the installation of a new S&S carb. And all that after going and shopping for a new bike. I just dont see the money when I look at these new bikes, that HD is asking for them, and seeing that they are not holding value like they used to. If the new shocks dont make my bike as rideable as my Buells, it'll be for sale, and Ill be shopping for an older Dyna to build. I really dont see Harley gaining market share with the 2018 line up.. I really dont get it.

[@matthewhaight1321]

Would the 2018 low rider be as smooth on the freeway at 80mph+ as a 2017 lowrider? Only solid mount Harley I own is a Evo Heritage never been on a TC Softail.

[@BusterKitten]

installed the True-Track model 20-30 swing arm stabilizer kit on my FXDC and no more wobble regardless how I ride the bike. No, this isn't a plug for True-Track, just letting all my Dyna buddies know this fix really works.

[@salonius_punk]

Well articulated. New lineup alienates the people who are really doing cool stuff to HD's. The new monoshock platform is a good idea in theory, but they executed it amateurishly. I really want to like the new "Dynas" but unless they provide something better than this offering, I'm keeping to used bikes. Last statement: I'm excited to see what aftermarket products will come out to make these ugly bikes better.

[@edswartzify]

I have a 1200 custom sporty and it moves. Its got some extras on it that look rad but i like the way it rides.

[@justincrowder]

I work at a Harley dealership and just like everyone else I was pretty upset when I heard the news. As much as I wanted to hate the new softails, after riding a few of them it's really hard to do so. The heritage rode better than a lot of touring bikes I've ridden and the fat bob was completely different than and stock Harley I've taken down the road. Both of which had the 114 which does make a bit of difference, but a couple of the guys were laughing when I got back because of the big smile on my face haha. Although I am really missing dynas already I think a lot of people will come around to the new bikes once they have seen them in person and taken one for a test ride. As funky as some of the changes were, I can honestly say Harley killed it on their touring bikes! The specials come totally blacked out, have stretched bags and some really cool wheels. I really feel like Harley was listening to what their customers wanted when it comes to the touring bikes.

[@austinp9803]

I'm 59 and have a 90 FXR and a 2015 street bob ..both are tricked out. I agree with you %100 on the idea that most kids are coming into Harleys thru guys like you and Unknown Industries. This riding is NOT being done on softails. In fact I don't think I've ever seen a wheelie on a softail. Anyway...time will tell . I got mine and I'm not letting go. Good vid.

[@petedavis1040]

So should I buy a Dyna and work on it or should I grab a low rider S and just bite the bullet in terms of cost?

[@rangerdanger126]

Good Post. I learned a few things from you. I've owned a 07 FXD Super Glide since the end of 2008. Silver in color, I get a lot of compliments on the bike. I've toured the Kansas City factory once. Sad times indeed! Ride SafeI Got Your Six

[@mchristr]

You nailed it. It's the younger guys stunting FXRs and Dynas that has built excitement for the brand. The Harley marketing department has to know this.

[@a.borovinskih]

Did your feeling towards new softail changed after 2 years?

[@cameroncostello4319]

2017 low rider dyna was gonna be my first bike I’m pissed off that they don’t have dyna anymore

[@curt5755]

On the same page as you. Road Glide looks sweet and Low Rider S is in my crosshairs once my fxdb is old and tired. 2018 looks inspired by Yamaha. Count me out.

[@curtrotar5446]

I too am bummed regarding HD discontinuing the Dyna line. Some guy on another channel, Orlando, FL, made mention (a mistake I believe) the 2018 Fat Bob he took for a test ride was a rubber mounted Milwaukee Eight. He's wrong, right? The 2018 line is all rigid mounted, counter balanced mechanism? I prefer the feel of a rubber mounted V-Twin. However, I like the fact that HD went gear drive vs. a chain drive counter balancer. That is good!

[@hardgainer5791]

I love My 2018 street bob. As much as I love the Dyna’s I can ride it way harder. Much more stable in aggressive cornering and a very nimble bike over all

[@frozen2golden]

I'm a Dyna rider to the death. Nothing funner than hitting the canyons and twisties and riding low, scraping pegs and pipes in the turns while getting side-eyed looks from sportbike riders. The Dyna was the Swiss Army knife of bikes to me. They were made to be cornered, but slap some LeatherPro retro T Sport repop bags and a fairing on them and they are ready to be ridden across state lines without causing knee and back pain. I've always hated the Softail. It's a bike that isn't comfortable on long rides and can practically only be ridden straight. I was pissed off when I heard HD was discontinuing the Dyna line and making Softails into Dyna knockoffs. I test rode the Softail Lowrider and was blown away. The thing is quick on the line, nimble, noticeably lighter than its predecessors and dare I say, has handling capabilities that put the FXR to shame. I was surprised, shocked and quickly became a believer. After hitting a few S bend turns on the test ride it was clear the the Softail rendered the Dyna obsolete. However, it does have downfalls. Neither the seat nor suspension are as comfortable as my 2002 Lowrider. The bike doesn't seem like it would provide the same comfort on a 1000 plus mile ride. Also the new engine mounts that rid the bike of the notorious rumble and vibration take away the spirit of the bike. I prefer the rumble, it makes the bike feel more brawny and muscular. This new Softail, though more refined is too quiet and too tame. However, I'm gonna get one. I never thought I'd say the words "I want a Softail" but I want one. I'm saving up for one now. I just refuse to trade in my Dyna as a down payment to get one. But heck, put some highway pegs, 12" t bars, a T Sport Fairing, and two into one pipe on it and I wouldn't ask for anything more

[@joncortez2574]

Lee, you hit the nail on the head. The Dynas were becoming more and more popular because of the stunts and wfo rides that everyone is seeing on social media. Then you get kinda starstruck when you witness it in person on the highway, kinda like a fucking unicorn. But HD were probably the only ones not paying attention to what was becoming the new exciting era of harleys on the road. And they killed it when they smothered their beloved middle child and came out with this "softail". Who knows. All I know it that I missed my opportunity on getting a new Dyna last year and now I'm depressed. Lol.

[@klum6047]

Been riding since the 70's. Had many Harleys along the way and other brands. I hate to see the Dyna line go and felt the same when the FXR disappeared. But, in all fairness to modernization of the brand they could be onto something with the mono-shock. I remember back when I was racing motocross and Yamaha came along with the Mono-shock on the YZ's. People were very skeptical at first, but look how many other manufactures in racing are using the mono-shock today. They improved rear wheel travel by almost double and started winning more races the first year they brought it out. Most racing bikes today are using mono shock technology, as a result. They all got on the band wagon because the technology worked. We all loved the Dyna and hate to see it go, but I think I will be patient and wait to see if the new Harley Dyna will prove to be better than expected. I just hope they will not price it out of the market in the coming years, since that was one of the selling points of the cheaper Dyna when it was still in production. Just an old guy's opinion.

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

you know... I found your channel a few weeks ago and its already up there as one of my favorites. Its gonna explode into a big channel soon maybe. I can feel it..

[@mrh3085]

TheAnnoyingBoss only to the whiny hipster crowd that can't even afford a new Harley anyway...

[@darcyjousset6615]

1 year later what is your opinion now after riding them?

[@danielsena509]

NAILED IT! Couldn't of said it any better 👍

[@wrongsob]

Exactly why I went in and bought the last lowrider S in the shop. I've been riding dyna 's since 07 sad to see them go.

[@myself7630]

I've had my speedometer pegged on my 07 street bob which I've had since brand new. I've never felt that death wobble unless I did something okward. Usually by pushing the bar with my right and letting off shortly after letting my left off. I ride it like I stole it. Am I missing something or is my bike special. No issues at cruising speed of 90mph

[@CrAzYGaMeRs61]

I fell in love with the dyna FXDX FXR ETC when I was 16 now in my 20s it’s horrible to see them gone and wanting one makes it worse, LONG LIVE THE DYNA.

[@calgreco8607]

All in all the new Softai'ls are different whether that is good or bad it is up to the individual. For what it's worth I ride pretty hard am six foot 235 lbs. I am definitely keeping my !6! And PS: the lower black windshield is not smoke it's solid black and you can't look through it to see the road!

[@bradlidge08]

100% you stunt guys are pushing Harley to unforeseen levels. I never would have imagined wanting one until I see you guys killing it on them

[@Love4boost]

I said they should have kept the street bob and low rider as dyna's and maybe brought back the wide glide for those that want a breakout but can't afford it. The fat bob makes a good softail especially how they did it. That would be a great entry level softail for the younger crowd. I am in love with the new street glide special. But in the meantime I'll stick with my Dyna street bob.