2019 BMW R 1250 RS | 1000 km Review | Nitpicks!

[@andrewsmith3062]

I have had the R1250RS for six weeks and absolutely love the bike, as a short rider of 5'5" and a 29" inside leg the bike is perfect, I opted for the 790mm seat height down from the 820mm. The bike is easy to handle with a very low center of gravity, it is confidence inspiring with terrific engine braking capacity. I have moved from a Triumph Tiger 800 low with no regrets, for me the BMW is so much better, yes there are a few nitpicks but these are easily outweighed by its performance and handling. I hope that we see a resurgence in good old sport touring motorbikes. Thanks again for a brilliant review.

[@carlingsrus1448]

This has just made my day reading this, I have just bought one and I'm 5ft 4inch

[@chldof1truekng434]

Best reviews on KZbin, clear, concise and to the point. You speak like a true rider, one who feels the motorcycle as I do. Keep up the good work.!😎👍

[@dg5433]

At that price, nit picking is important. Two thumbs up Scott. Keep up the great work

[@helmutsandner867]

My 1984 BMW R100RS has 24 litres of fuel. I usually get 320-350 kilometres before switching to reserve. Which gives me at least another 40 kilometres distance. I have had my bike since April 1985. And have ridden 493,000 kilometres in that time frame. The bike is still powering along great. Being born in Munich Germany. But growing up in Australia. I have always had a passion for BMW bikes and cars. Thank for your unbiased review of this motorcycle.

[@florislok]

350 km is a big difference with the 280 km when I go to reserve. I have a R100R from 1995. Although I must say that I always have to do a lot of city kilometers. So probably the difference has to do with the much better aerodinamics of your RS? I’m sitting straight up on my naked bike.

[@Fernando90054]

Dear Sir, first of all , thank you for the bike review. It’s always important to know the cons of a so expensive machine in advance. Although , I find all negative points you stand out pretty indifferent : 1. The Austin yellow is just a beautiful choice of paint job and I find it refreshing. 2. The vibrations are very welcome, I like to feel it! 3. The capacity tank, is not an issue to me, as I enjoy to stop for short periods, after riding not more than 200/ 250 Kms. So, taking this three aspects in consideration I find the bike very near to my ideal concept for touring. I don’t need a higher wind shield, I don’t need a higher seat, and I don’t want less vibration. Because if I wanted that maybe I should start considering buying a car or travel by train, plain or any other way. Not riding a bike. The lack of some comforts is something that the biker wants to feel, always alive, always alert, because the first choice of a rider is not to find safety and comfort...at least that’s not a Pryor towards the machine you choose for touring. The safety thoughts are important in everything but mainly in terms of atitude of the rider, and that comes first than the purchase of a bike like this. Thanks again for the review, and don’t think that I didn’t saw your difficulties in finding defects on the bike ;-)

[@alithejumbo]

You're the ONLY motorbike reviewer of which I see the videos more than one time.

[@jimharr]

Regarding the windscreen height, in addition to the high/low adjustment, there are 2 mounting positions on the 1250 now.

[@leviefrauim1425]

Vibes in handlebars and footpegs- uh, no. That's not a niggle, that's a NO, especially for a bike designed to be an ST. Thanks for your honesty! This was a bike I was considering but not any more.

[@soifranc]

Vibrations in the feet and hands to the point where you want to let go fo the bars is beyond nit picking. Great feedback.

[@your_royal_highness]

I really like the slightly used 1250RS I just got so far. I rode a 1200RS for a thousand miles and it was pretty nice. This is a real step up, I think. No brake issues so far; in fact, the rear brake is the best I’ve ever had that I can recall on any bike. The extra 15 lbs on the 1250 are very noticeable vs the 1200. Feels like more than that. But, given that all bikes have some compromises to them I’ll accept. This bike is not a sport bike and doesn’t handle like one. For a boxer with some degree of heft it still handles sharp turns well. I like it because of the partial fairing and the tall AeroFlow screen and deflectors provide excellent wind protection (which is extremely important to me), the suspension is terrific and the acceleration actually approaches that of my old inline four ‘09 K1300GT (the closest thing to perfection I’ve ever ridden, except it weighed 625lbs and was taller). The new technologies and seating position are better for my desires with the 1250. Very pleased and yes some bikes are pricey. But, you only live once!

[@GJS-live]

That cheered me as he was putting me off this bike a bit with the 'vibrations' chat. I can live with fule range as at 58 and I need to stop for a piss every hour or so anyway! ;) Test ride on Friday hopefully. Some 2019 models for about £12K now so I can live with that. Cheers

[@your_royal_highness]

The handlebar vibration is almost nonexistent with the heavy weight bar ends I put on mine. Slight to begin with, too. I’d like to test the F and the new S1000XR, just for kicks. But, the 1250 is great.

[@auscurrymaster]

Nice review Scott. I actually wouldn't call those nit-picks, I'd call them genuine important issues and I'm glad you brought them to my attention - especially the fuel range. The vibration is also critical in a sport-tourer.

[@ReferenceFidelityComponents]

Except there’s nothing wrong with the fuel range, it’s more than adequate at legal speeds. Keep it below 80mph and expect up to 60mpg. Vibes are simply not a problem. They sorted that with revised final drive damping. I disagree with the reviewer here, I’m sensitive to bar vibes and my RS has none I notice at all.

[@kevinmobile]

AS an RT owner (I appreciate this is more of a touring bike) I've looked somewhat enviously at the lesser weight on the RS. None of us are getting any younger after all! But, it's easy to be seduced by this slimmer model and if long distances are your main thing consider these remaining advantages for the RT: 1) No vibrations on the RT of the type or magnitude mentioned on the RS on bars or foot pegs 2) A sensible sized fuel tank (25 l) and range 3) Centre stand does not scrape the ground at high lean angles on soft suspension. 4) A decent height and incrementally and electrically adjustable windscreen 5) A more upright position so less weight on the wrists. 6) More weather proofing due to substantial fairing and arguably more road presence 7) Satnav is set further in line with the dash so not distracting compared to the cradle on the RS 8) For those on a tight budget, insurance group is typically two levels down on the RT compared to the RS Other criticisms such as the shifter are valid on both these boxers though the seat height range is wider than suggested for the RS going from 760mm to 840mm (4 seat types available). 760-850mm on the RT on 3 seat options. .

[@stevecade857]

One thing you missed was the waaay superior pillion comfort on the RT. It's why I had to reluctantly move from my RS to an RT. It used to make my ears hurt.

[@kevinmobile]

@@stevecade857 Yup, that's true and perhaps that's to be expected from a model that has continuously evolved and incrementally improved over many years. For 2020, I'm hoping the cubby box might be enlarged enough to get my iPhone 7+ inside with perhaps a USB charging port!

[@Pisceanboi]

Very interesting comments and points of difference between the RS & RT. Arguably there are more compromises in the RS as it attempts to straddle the needs of touring and the desires of sport. Here in Australia, the No.1 selling model is the R1250 GSA followed closely by the R1250GS, with the R1250RT coming up in third place - but at about half the sales numbers of the GS/GSA. Interestingly, few GS/GSA owners I've spoken to take them off road - in part it's the "long way around" image that attracts, and the knowledge that IF you needed to go off road you could do it, but few do given the cost of them, and the ease of dropping one in off road conditions unless you're a very experienced rider off road. Beyond that, given our vast differences on indifferent roads, the GSA scores with that huge fuel range, plus good all round ability for both touring and sport - albeit not as good as the RS for sport, or the RT for touring.

[@raulciska7503]

Good points Kevin, Steve and John. I bought the R1250 RT (2019) so I can offer my wife a comfortable touring experience . . . she doesn't abide going anywhere with me on my S100RR. It would have been easy to "conform to the peer group" and buy the R1250 GSA, but I don't ride off-road, and as Scott says, I've got 'nothing to prove'.

[@s.k.6823]

Wonder if the leanangle when the centerstand scrapes on road is the same on the RS with RT in same modes. The criticism also hits the r1200/1250R with Center stand. Maybe pegs on the RT are lower?

[@hiagftd]

It's nice to find honest reviews. I have to agree with the quick-shifter performance. I have an '18 1200GS, and I always ride it using the clutch any time I'm in traffic. If I have an open stretch of road, I'll give it the beans and quick shift every time. I had terrible vibrations in the grips until I installed some Evotech bar-end weights. They removed all of the lower frequency vibrations, but some higher frequency vibrations still come through. Grip Puppies mitigate some of those, and the remainder aren't terribly annoying.

[@JPHOT100]

I’ve got an XR which I bought in spite of some mixed reviews. I LOVE the XR BECAUSE of some of the things other folk don’t like. Honest opinions are the best. Fantastic review....!

[@ShineBright__]

Do not worry you are not the only one who complains about shifting and that's why i watch your reviews cause they are honest and precise ....keep doing what you're doing man !!!

[@seanhunter111]

Nice review. I bought this bike and absolutely love it and your review(s) were a big part of my decision. I don’t feel the vibes you experienced or to the extent I do feel vibes they don’t seem at all noticeable or uncomfortable to me (Just a boxer thing maybe?). I agree about the tank range but I guess that’s one of those compromises - bigger tank = more weight high up. The boxer engine (love it as I do) is a heavy old lump so probably the smallish tank is part of just trying to keep the weight down as much as possible. The brake fade you mentioned hasn’t happened to me but I haven’t had an opportunity (nor do I have the skill) to ride it nearly as aggressively as you. I think I did notice in the owner’s manual a warning that using the brakes aggressively in high ambient temperatures can lead to brake fade and riders should be aware of the possible impact - I wonder if that’s something affecting all bikes or if there’s something particularly bad about the Brembos on this one. As a returning biker the brakes are *so* much better than my 2002 bike that they would have to fade to almost nonexistent before it became a problem though. Ride safe.

[@ljj808]

AGREE, AGREE, AGREE

[@stevelawrie9115]

I can tell you from BMW experience, I own a K1300S and when I took it in for a service, Germany changed, free of charge the baffle in the brake master cylinder because of brake fade, due to the speeds I tended to travel.

[@colberki]

I have not noticed any vibrations in the handle bar or foot pegs. Quick shifter does not work so well going up at lower revs. I am 5 ft 7 inches with an inseam of 29 inches. No issue with riding position. I am getting some wind buffeting despite the wind screen in the higher position. However if I bend forward a little, I am almost in a bubble of calm air.

[@NothingToProve]

Thank you for your input. It's always nice to hear from the owner and their experience, thank you!

[@PiotrNowak_PL]

The most valuable review I have ever seen. This should be template for motorbikes review. Congratulations :)

[@travelinben1966]

You're right on the money for bar risers on the RS.I sat on one in the showroom,and within minutes I could feel the weight on my palms getting to my wrists.Everything else I could live with.Thanks Scott.

[@PaulThorpeOfficial]

Great review, love your style, you deserve many more subscribers.

[@borissimic2890]

Totally agree about quick shifter and vibration. Awsome reviews. Keep up the same style of delivery

[@mikaelpettersson2389]

The configurator nowadays let's you choose between clip on handles or a tube style, more upright handlebar. Also the seat height can be changed before ordering, free of cost.

[@manselltache5322]

Scott I’m surprised you chose the F900xr after living with this beauty for 1k km

[@mickshere9642]

Many thanks, I own a KTM and am taking the RS for a test ride tomorrow and really appreciate your thoughts

[@gammaraytube]

Hi Scott. Fair review. I have the 2017 1200 RS. Best bike I have ever had. I do one long tour per year and day trips most weekends. On longer, multi day trips I have been close to empty if I don’t plan my fuel stops. Buzzing on the handle bars between 4 and 5 thousand RPMs is the characteristic of the bike. So I ride below or above. At highway speeds on cruise control I have no problem finding a good RPM. Bike likes 120 to 140 kph My bike has over 20K on the clock. No issues. It is deceptively quick, agile I am 6 foot 4 so I have the sport seat and HP adjustable foot pegs. I do feel a little cramped after more than 2 hours in the saddle. Thanks again for fair review.

[@aher89able]

Do you still have your RS 1200?😊

[@gammaraytube]

@@aher89able Yes I do. It has just under 60 Thousand Kms. I hope to have it for a long while. Loving it.

[@ExpressionOfNothing]

Hey Scott! There is no need to be so defensive in just stating your opinion. If those are the concerns of yours with this bike one can truly say that this is still a great piece of machine :) I‘ve gone for the R1250R because I do not care so much about wind protection and in the end the fuel range will be bigger than with my previous F800R. It will be delivered next week, Woohoo! First and foremost I fell in love with how the bike looks - as if it was just made of a huge engine with two wheels bolted on. The KTMs on the other hand are too playful and plasticky looking somehow. Glad that everybody can have their own preference. Great review, as always! Thanks :)

[@sirajsalim]

ExpressionOfNothing I went for R1250R because I prefer it’s looks over R1250RS :). I hope you enjoy your R1250R like I do!

[@ExpressionOfNothing]

Siraj Salim It will be delivered this week! I cannot wait! Thank you and I also congratulate you on your lovely bike! ;)

[@wallyedmunds2181]

Nice unbiased review Scott. I have one of these in the same colour in fact. I agree with most of your "nitpicks", except for the vibration issue you mentioned. I feel handlebar vibes to a very minor extent, but no vibes in the foot pegs. You mention that the screen has only two positions where in fact it has four,. You get two extra positions by remounting it with four screws. Overall the bike is surely one of the best, if not the best in it's class. The fact that your review is based purely on "nitpicks" does not really do this bike justice. I do get your point though. Overall the good points far outweigh the bad. It's still a very fine bike indeed.

[@NothingToProve]

Thank you for the comment, especially coming from an actual owner of the bike. This is the nitpick video, the first review of this exact bike is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4KlfYaiarN5Z9E This is why I did a nitpick video cause I've already done a "normal" review...BTW spoiler alert, I like it :) take care, Scott

[@zoranv12]

Hi...I have a nitpick :) you compared RS to FJR and similar, but not with the RT. I think FJR, GTR and PAN13 are more close to the RT, with 25 L tank (as you know, you own one :)); They all have shat drive and electric windshield and come with panniers from factory; RS is more like leftovers from another time - very beautiful bike, I love everything about it - but ... I struggled between RS and RT for a long long time and decided (3 times already :)) to go for the RT. Last one was a brand new 1250 2020 (with proper dash). I've seen all your BMW boxer videos and many others - I think you're one of the best if not there yet - 'must say, I share your opinion almost 100%. I never skip a video form NothingToProve. The calmness and plain thinking, honesty, German Autobahn and data you provide with all that is above average. Wish you many happy kilometers and years to come.

[@gideonhajioff8542]

Hi I own a 2011 Honda VFR800vtec and have been looking to update it but after many test rides can not find the modern equivalent. I have booked a test ride with BMW for the 1250 and after hearing your review which by the is really good I am going to ride and with an open mind and more info. Having owned a VFR can you point me to a sporty sports tourer the gives the same feel but with modern electronics. Thanks

[@NothingToProve]

Hi Gideon, well there are only two that I can think of that have this variable valve timing, and you own one of them. The RS is a very good machine, very refined and that is why I nitpicked it, it is hard to find the issues that I point out in the "nitpicks" and only find some of them after 1000km in one weekend. Just a thought, BMW is supposed to come out with the new 1000cc shiftcam engine in the XR next year, right now I just did the S 1000 RR review a few weeks ago and talked about the new motor and that is the motor that the XR will get next year (hope next year). Then there will be two motors that BMW have the shiftcam motor in, one a boxer and the other an in-line 4 cyl. But the sportiest sports tour is the KTM GT, bar none and the electronics are right there with the BMW RS. So ride both before making a decision and or wait till next year for the S 1000 XR to come out and ride that too and see which one is right for you. All 3 bikes are great and all 3 have their own nitpicks it just comes down to what you want and says "buy me" the most. Good luck! So many bikes...so little money :)

[@mohammadoskuie9345]

Hi Scott. Thank you for your awesome reviews. You know how I know you're being honest on your reviews? I was in the market for a BMW 1250 GS, not a single reviewers on KZbin mentioned about that super obvious engine vibration between 4000 and 5000 RPM. I ended up buying the damn bike not knowing about this issue. Now everytime I'm on the highway the vibration comes on and it really bothers me. Thank you for being honest on your reviews and keep up the good work.

[@pistolpete6321]

Mohammad Oskuie same thing happened to me with the GS, I purchased bar end weights and that solved the vibration problems.

[@edholmes4759]

PistolPete63 yeah I’ve done that at grip puppies too but the mirrors still blur big time.

[@62Easy]

Great review! I hate bar vibrations too. My 1250 GSA is super smooth. Hardly feel any vibration in the bars or pegs. What is the difference? Do all RS have this issue?

[@SAMFICOM]

No vibrations on my R1250GS.

[@bryanohlsson4689]

Got tired of the vibration on my GSA and upgraded to the K1600GT. No more off roading, but my long trips are much more comfortable.

[@nikkonkde]

Fair review. I love it. The showroom people never tell you this and a 2h ride test is never enough.

[@yl4970]

Hello Scott, thanks much for this particular video and the important nit-picks you pointed out to. Wondering of there were any improvements to those nit-pics wit models newer than the 2019 one.

[@NothingToProve]

There have been no updates to this bike as of yet. 😒😢

[@thomasbentley5544]

@@NothingToProve Thanks. I was going to ask this same question.

[@derglockner]

@NothingToProve, Hi. Good Test, I'm driving it since one week, some of your "nitpicks" for me not comprehensible. No noticeable vibrations on handlebar or footrests, average consumption around 4.5 L during Austrian cruising modus (130 speed limit on Autobahn). I took aftermarket windshield and handlebar improvement as recommended 👍 and additionally rear wheel cover. Now I'm happy with my "little GS".

[@nigel274]

I own a VFR 1200 Sorts tourer. Such a massive issue was made about the tank capacity of 18.5 litres! and yet here we have 18 litre tank and hardly any review mentions other than this one. Hmmm

[@sgarcia37]

Another great, honest review. “2 thumbs up”

[@Bernievids]

Stop whining guys. The boxer always does that. It reminds you to chill out. So what, just loosen your grip?! Pop the cruise on and just hit the gas if you want. I rode without holding on for nearly 30 km and just leaning the bike in rain! I bought mine and rode it home 1100kms as the deal was good. These bikes are weapons. Trust me, this bike is so safe at ‘nothing to prove speeds’ ha ha and at that speed, yes, you burn through the gas and it won’t cause grief to anyone who holds 200km/h in corners as you’ll get a break when filling up. I’ve got anecdotal feedback that the quick shift improves better with more kms however lighter throttle positions requires positive more inputs. You’d always buy a BMW if you want to never regret. Great review.

[@robertsnyder7203]

I have a 2020 - 1250 RS with about 1800 miles on it (I got it in Sept). I replaced my seat with a Sargent Seat and added the Helibar risers. Those two things increased the comfort level. I would not have not bought the bike stock without doing those two changes. For lower speeds in the US, the Windscreen is fine, especially in very hot and humid areas, along with heavy commuting traffic. Once you hit 90MPH, having the taller scree would be nice - Aeroflow makes a number of different screens for the 1200 RS (that fit on the the 1250.) Range - I would like a larger tank as well. I have been averaging about 230 miles on a tank mixed riding, about 50 MPG. When riding in the US at 70 MPH on the highway, that is about 3 hours of riding - it is good to get off the bike and stretch (so it is not a show stopper for me.) IMHO - a sport/touring bike should have a min tank size of 24 liters. Would I buy it again - YES, but I would like to check out the Tiger Sport if they ever bring it to the US. That might be interesting. As far as BMW's, both the S1000XR and 1250 RS fill a unique role in the BMW community. I find many riders trading in their GS's for those two bikes. The common reason I hear is that they never really used the GS off-road or toured extensively with them and they were not ready to move to the RT. Thanks for the honest review - we shared many of the same nitpicks.

[@NothingToProve]

Thank you! Ride safe, Scott

[@Youtube_Globetrotter]

Maybe the S1000 XR is a better touring bike?

[@0RZ0WEI]

I just purchased that exact bike and I´m 100% with you. The only problem I hate and I see very difficult to fix are the vibrations, but even with that I can´t find a better bike than this at this moment in time. Let´s hope BMW release a bike like this but with an electric motor... Great review thanks for sharing your knowledge!

[@NothingToProve]

Hello, bar end weights will help to reduce the vibration. I've had several guys say that they've done this to their RS & R and it did reduce the vibration to an "acceptable" level. Just google "bar end weights for BMW R1250RS" and there are lots to choose from. BTW, you can replace the RS bar with the R handle bar, they are inter-changeable. The R bar gives you a more up-right riding position. In fact my local BMW dealer offered to switch to the R bar on the RS for free, if I was to buy an RS. Ride safe, Scott

[@ljj808]

With a bar riser fitted (which is a must for me & High seat (which mine came with)) I have no vibe problems. Fuel is a bit small, but more fuel = more weight. Yes, needs a diff screen or spoiler, but loads of options out there. Best bike I’ve had in 8,000 miles so far. And Scott has an RT, so a lot of his own critiques he’s swallowed to buy that bike. Esp after his hassles with the XR900. If you buy a KTM = IT WILL FAIL

[@costinmarina]

Late to the party, but good review, thanks! Regarding KTM comparison, well... Shaft vs chain, on a tourer, for me is a no brainer. One less thing to worry about, some less stuff to carry around.

[@norbert_engel]

Great review. Very helpful:) So much more detailed than (most) other reviews I’ve seen. As someone else already mentioned here: two thumbs up for the review👍👍

[@piotrtomczyk114]

I'm looking for a new bike next spring and honest down to the ground reviews like your's are very helpful thanx Scott

[@leooostveen4435]

Smooth as butter and smooth as silk. Striking colours including the bike. Hearing 'kilometre' pronounced the way it should be was a joy.

[@blazeoconnor9899]

Thank you for your honest review. As you can tell with the rest of the comments, everyone appreciates this type of reviews. Good work and I would love to see more reviews like this when you get the chance.

[@OP-ui8bu]

Thanks for your test. I have also recently driven the R1200RS, but only for one day. The 18 litre tank is also too small for me, 2o litres would be the minimum, better 23 litres. Other points of criticism made me smile: steering wheel and windscreen too low, acute knee angle. I think you want to turn the RS into a GS. This should be a sports bike, not a replacement for a Harley :-)

[@mukundraipatel8334]

Many thumbs up for doing you're thang. Nothing to prove lives up to his name & on the side, you're our newest NFT material.

[@travelinben1966]

Objective reviews by riders like you, are most important and welcome.Hopefully, BMW is listening too, and can use your nitpicks to make a really good bike even better.Thank you for sharing your experience.Well done!👍👍

[@fredh4641]

Hi Scott, great honest review. You mentioned vibrations between 4000 and 5000 t/pm, but if you would compare those vibrations to the KTM Super Duke 1290 GT, what is your opinion about it? I found the KTM under 4000 t/pm quite vibrating during my testride, it was difficult to do 100kph in 6th gear because of the vibrations, and that is no problem with a 1200/1250 boxer engine.

[@NothingToProve]

Hi Fred, yes of course, never ride the 1290 motor in 6th gear below 100kpm. (I'm usually 1 to 2 gears lower (so higher RPM) than any GS at the same speed on my SDR) And my SDR still gets better fuel economy than the RS or GS, even though it's a super naked. In fact I ride with some 1200GSA guys (30L tank capacity) on Sunday mornings (doing 300/400km in just 4-5 hours on country roads no highways) and they often comment to me on just how many km I can get out of the 18 L gas tank on the SDR. (usually over 300km before stopping at a gas station) And that is from a super naked bike and not a bike from the sport/touring category and I guess that is why I mention the range on the RS, it is in the sport/touring group. If BMW would put this into the sport bike group, then I would not say a word about the range...the lack of range is expected then. Ride safe, Scott

[@Chris-vq5vr]

I really enjoy this guys review. Greetings from Australia 🇦🇺 mate. Keep up the great work

[@companeroloco]

Hey, nice test and a real honest opinion. I own the 2016 R1200RS - I can confirm the footpeg vibrations, but not the handlebar. But to be honest, when I ride on the autobahn, I always use the cruise control, so I do not have to keep my hands tight on the bars. One thing to consider when comparing it with the KTM - the KTM‘s got a chain, the RS the Kardan, which is much more comfortable when it comes to cleaning and maintaining the machine - I do not want to miss the Kardan anymore, especially when it is so sporty as on the RS...

[@brucebrown6597]

Thank-you....Thank-you.... Thank-you.... Currently a S1000R owner and was seriously considering the R1250RS. Previous bike was a FJR1300ES and didn’t like the top heavy feel and weight. Will definitely test the RS in the coming week and will look for those little niggles. Thanks for the honesty and enjoy the ride!!

[@NothingToProve]

Hi Bruce, it is a great bike and if you are aware of the niggles and they don't bother you, then you will love the bike. Enjoy the test ride and if you like it, get it! It is an awesome bike.

[@chadkline4268]

Vibration? From what? Boxers have perfect primary+secondary balance.

[@NothingToProve]

Ride one, spend 1,300 km on one for 3 days, you'll feel it, eventually. But I own a 1250 RT, don't feel the same vibration on it, so it all depends on how the chassis is set up and how the chassis will absorb the vibration or not.

[@chadkline4268]

@@NothingToProve I have a 1971 BMW R60/5 with over a million miles on it. I rebuilt the engine 5x. And I never felt any uncomfortable vibrations. Maybe there is something that needs to be worn in. 1300km is just reaching the break-in period. I haven't heard anyone speak of vibration in a dozen other reviews. But you spoke of it as very uncomfortable. There's something odd about that. I don't doubt you, but it's very odd. Something must not be right with that bike.

[@NothingToProve]

Last year I spent some time on a 1980 R80 G/S, never felt vibrations on that either, btw, a great bike, did a video on it too. I've spent time on all the 1250 Boxers (GS/GSA/R/RT/RS/R18 (& R nineT)) and the only one with noticeable vibration is the RS. It's probably because the RS is "sporty" which usually means stiffer frame and along with that comes feel and with feel comes the "vibrations", in foot pegs or handlebar or seat. The RS is the sportiest frame that BMW puts the boxer into, which could be the reason. Although, I do notice it on the GS too, between 3-4k RPM on off throttle, so it is there too. Just google it and you will find many have complained about that on the GS too. take care, Scott P.S. Did you ride one yet? You'll feel it, if you are looking for it.

[@chadkline4268]

@@NothingToProve no, I have not tried it yet, but I am planning to buy one 🤪👍 I love those engines. The GS is a bit expensive for me, but the RS is within my budget, and the R9Ts aren't really made for touring, and that is what I am looking for. I only recently learned that the RS has been back in production. The RS is exactly what I want, a sport touring boxer 🛣️👍 Thanks, I will try to learn more with a browser.

[@HMATHION1]

Honda rules

[@richardpower9346]

Please do the same with the BMW S 1000 XR love the honesty....!

[@tudajfor]

That's why we like your videos, you give an honest review! Please keep it that way.

[@leerhodes1490]

So is it fair to assume....the much reduced gas mileage at high speeds would be similar if riding the r1250gs or r1250rt?

[@NothingToProve]

Yes of course, for any bike or car or plan....etc. :)

[@r12rtpilot]

Thanks for the complete review..Thinking of giving up my R1250RT for the RS. It would be my two up, canyon like and long distance tourer. Am i crazy? A good idea, Keep the beloved RT?? So, the MPG is not a nit pick...Ride safely!

[@edholmes4759]

I have the 1250gs and it has hand numbing vibrations too. At around 5250rpm the mirrors are completely blurred out. I think to bike is more comfortable at higher revs which is not where most seasoned BMW riders like to be. It’s going back to the deal for investigations soon. As regards the ergonomics most people will change screens and bar positions to suit themselves. Great review, I like it that you can change your mind from the initial ride. Most would just want to justify it. Nothing to prove - as it says on the tin 👍👍👍.

[@RubenTavernier]

Scott, your review is so very spot-on that I recognize most of the points you touch on from my own R1200R. Yes, the previous generation roadster. Most issues you highlight transcend both the R/RS and the 1200/1250 gap. Well done and thank you!

[@NothingToProve]

Thanks Ruben, yea, they are little things that would not stop me from buying it, I'd just fix the handle bar/windscreen/higher seat and be done with it, the rest I can live with. Ride safe, Scott

[@jbotha181]

In SA this is about R100K cheaper than the R1250RT, wonder how it compares as the engine and chassis basically same.. Scott?

[@NothingToProve]

The engine is about the only thing that is the same. Chassis, brakes, suspension...etc. all different. They look similar but feel totally different while riding them. take care, Scott

[@dexter1609]

Hi Scott, I hope you can answer my question. I am 185 cm with 84 inseam, I have test-ridden this bike for very few hours, I was concerned at first about the knee angle, a bit round 70 degree. Do you think that I would feel cramped in a longer distance riding this bike with that knee angle ? Ur reviews are fabulously well-explained and delivered

[@NothingToProve]

Thank you Aymen, Well, you are 9 cm taller than me and after riding over 1300 km on it in just 4 days I got used to the riding position. But and this is a big BUT, I think that I'm at about the max size as far as leg room is on this bike. During the 1300 km ride there was another R1200RS rider and he was a little taller than me, about the same height as you, and he said that the "leg room" was something that he had to get used to on this bike, he said that it didn't bother him that much but he also said that his next bike will have MORE leg room and he will NOT buy another RS...he was considering the GS...because the riding position is upright and has a lot more leg room than the RS. So with that said it may not bother you very much but year after year and mile after mile it just might start to bother you. But if you can live with it, then it is truly a solid, high quality machine to ride every day. Ride safe, Scott

[@dexter1609]

@@NothingToProve well understood Scott. Thank you very much for ur reply. Cheers !

[@mikedignum1868]

I have to agree with you on the nitpicks. I owned the 1200RS and i had the majority of those problems. I also had the bar risers and bought Grip Puppies due to the vibration (which i thought they would have sorted out) I think ill stick with my GS1250.

[@jeffreyscott4564]

Absolutely a wonderful review. I am a BMW GUY. I owned a 2016 RS for almost 20,000 miles. I loved every bit of that bike. It was equipped with the "Tall" sport seat and I did install Illiam risers. Those two items totally changed the touring aspects of the R1200RS. It was fantastic on twisty Colorado roads. I regret selling that bike more than any other bike I've owned. I'm contemplating the new 1250RS and will specifically look for these "NitPicks" as I think they are far more important than minor idiosyncrasies. Your review is superb. I appreciate the honesty. But as a guy who is not totally brand loyal, when you mentioned the KTM,,,,,,(Yes, I've owned 3 of them as well a 690r, a 990r, and the 1150r) Give me the reliability of the BMW anyday.

[@NothingToProve]

Thank you Jeffrey, Oh, don't get me wrong, I love this bike, it is the best as far as fit finish and quality and it is the most solid, stabil bike in the sport/touring class. I was actually considering buying this bike even after doing this review. Simply because every bike comes with nitpicks, there are always little things on every bike that a person changes to accommodate their size, preferences...etc. That is why I wanted to change to the higher seat, taller windscreen, and put the 1250R handle bar on it to push the riding position back a little & fix the bar vibration at the same time. The things I couldn't change was the weight and tank size and the boxer sound. And over here in Germany boxers are every where! Every time you go out for a ride, any time you see a group of riders there is always 1, 2 or 3 boxers in the group, a GS or RS or R or RT or RnineT or...etc. So yes, get another RS and put 100k miles on it, they go forever, I personally know and ride with two GS guys that always put over 100k on them before they upgrade to a new GS. Ride safe, Scott

[@jeffreyscott4564]

@@NothingToProve Thanks Brother I own a 2018 GSA and I'm struggling with trying to decide the purchase of the RS or S1000XR as my second bike. The garage was full of bikes three years ago, KTM1190R, GSA, RS, K1600. Then I got rid of everything but the GSA. I miss going out and trying to decide the ride of the day!!! First world problems of being a motorbike rider!! Great channel. Great reviews Jeff

[@StayFreeMan]

How about R1250RT fuel consumption ?? I think you have one, don’t you? And rate it as the best touring machine. Please, let us know your opinion! Thanks!!

[@didiermarchant2807]

Great review Scott, from a Beemer guy 😉 And by the way, I like the colour. Cheers.

[@markanthony6128]

First time someone has been able to understand the little things , I also share some of your concerns excellent you do know and in touch with motorcycles to pick those items out just after 1200kilometers .

[@jaimegodoy3246]

hola, como se comporta en caminos de tierra, las probado en carreteras malas muchos ollos

[@NothingToProve]

Solid but still very heavy, not as well as a GS but it will do it, just might make you feel a little uncomfortable.

[@mcfire729]

Hi Scott I was absolutely going to buy that exact bike but changed my mind after reading among others you reviews that pointed out that it was not very comfortable for taller riders, to me the seat hight, screen size and handlebars were main issues so I bought the 1250 GSA HP instead. Thank you for being honest, we all know that looks are the first attraction but once you own the bike that fades quickly when you are not comfortable! The RS still is a beautiful bike though even in Austin Yellow.

[@NothingToProve]

Thank you, it's for guys like you that I do these reviews. We work hard for our money and the high end bikes are expensive so before we spend 20k on a bike like this, we should know what we are getting into before we sign the papers. Sure these are "nitpicks" but if they don't bother you then it's a great bike but if they do then "regret is a dish best served cold". :) I mean I was really considering buying this bike but after spending 1200km on it in 4 days, I just wanted to get off of it. And one should not feel that way if you spend that amount of money. The GS is a lot more comfortable, good choice! And in a corner, the RS is not any faster in a corner than the GS, in fact the GS pulls away a little from the RS on the exit because of the shorter gearing. Which hurts the top speed of the GS but who really goes over 200kmph any way...well I did on the RS but that was just testing it out just how fast it will go on the autobahn. Ride safe, Scott

[@matthewbeesley5850]

My wish list for R1250RS mods. Taller screen for wind protection. Taller seat and lower/forward pegs for leg comfort. Raised and rearward bars for back comfort. I know, know.... why not just buy a RT? I just don't like the massive fairing of the RT.

[@Youtube_Globetrotter]

What would you pick, this or BMW S1000 XR for a Euro tour for 2-3 weeks?

[@NothingToProve]

XR 😊

[@neverdrive5571]

Good video. agree with you on many things, but. sitting position, remember it is a sport turer. Where to find a bike that uses under 8 liters 100k doing over 200kph an hour .. my GS has 20 liter tank and uses more.

[@armandblake]

Ninja 1000sx or spend the extra (lots) and get the 1250rs ?

[@NothingToProve]

Well, here in Germany the base price for the SX is 14,100 and the base price for the RS is 14,500. So only 400 more for the RS. So it really comes down to which bike you like most. Ride safe, Scott

[@armandblake]

@@NothingToProve here in Australia the kawa is 18k and the BMW is 25k base 😳 With electronics and options can go up to 35-37

[@NothingToProve]

@@armandblake WOW 😢 I wonder why there is such a price difference between here and there. 🤔

[@armandblake]

Ended up getting the Ninja 1000sx. It’s fantastic. You should do a review of one of those if you get the opportunity

[@mathiashammar1]

These nitpicks realy help me alot choosing the bike. Vibrations is one of those. Thanks for great review.

[@stevo8430]

The quickshifter is not meant for driving in the city or traffic. Its for medium to hard acceleration. Same on my xr

[@NothingToProve]

2 decades ago, yes you are right. But today's qs is about convenience & this is where this fails. Especially when compared to it's competitors. They shift under all conditions & not just full throttle.

[@stevo8430]

@@NothingToProve I am happy with the way my quickshifter works on my XR but if i am in traffic i just use the clutch no worries. I know some riders who hardly use the quickshifter but for me if its there i will use it.

[@colonelquickshifter6534]

Great review - what be your shortlist for sport tourer/ naked that can do over night trips with partner bumpy awesome in the twisties ?!?

[@NothingToProve]

1290GT 1250RS 1000SX They are all good bikes, it just comes down to what engine configuration you want and price. V-Twin, Boxer, inline4. The GT is by far the most expensive, the RS right in the middle and the 1000SX is by far the cheapest. GT is the best in the twisties and the other two are fighting for second place. Ride safe, Scott

[@paulordeman5169]

Good review. A bike that is premium priced such as this, Nit picking is important. The more you pay, the less flaw's I'd expect. Keep doing these reviews!

[@NothingToProve]

Thank you Paul!

[@biccys]

Doesn't that vibe at 4-5k make your hands numb after an hour or so? I dismissed an RT for EXACTLY that reason, and have got reservations about the rs and gs 1250 because of it. Real shame cos the vast majority of people with the r1250 lump bikes love and really praise them. Currently on a tracer 900gt, (best bike I've ever ridden, bar none,) previously on F850gsa (hated front suspension), Tiger Sport 1050 (💗), tiger 800xc(ok but a bit too top heavy), tiger 955i (old school today!). I think I'm a triple fanboy no?! Should I try the Tiger 1200gt & the 900gt?!

[@NothingToProve]

Yea, you'll love the 1200/900 Tigers but they have more vibration than a 1250 boxer...at lest the new Tiger (21 & 22) with the T-Plane crank, more vibes are built into it on purpose to give "Character" and more torque down low...which the torque part is true. The silky smooth days of the old 800/1200 triple Tigers are gone 😢

[@biccys]

@@NothingToProve seems like a backwards step in comfort! That's really annoying. I really wanted to like the RT I tested but I had numb hands in under an hour, is the Tigers are going to be as bad I might have to stick with the tracers updated model! Thank you!

[@asturiancetorix2552]

Well, I bought one a few days ago, I made 300 km on it. About your review, I have to say: - Fuel: I´m getting 4,5 litres per 100km (assuming the indicator is not lying), with the engine brand new and "limited" to 4.000-5.000rpm, "normal" street driving, so 18 litres is enough fuel to make more than 300km untill reserve warning lits up. A little more capacity would´ve been better, maybe 2 liter, that´s all. - I´m 1,70 metres tall, and with the 82cm stock seat I´m good, sporty position but not too sporty. No complaints here, for me, because I was looking a sporty bike, but not an sport bike... If you are looking something confortable, well, better try other bikes. Taller drivers might feel cramped on this, unless they use the 84cm sporty seat, and lean more forward. A little longer windshield would be perfect for me, but with the stock one I,m almost out of the compressed air trail (remember, only 1,70m tall…), in any of it´s two positions (the upper it´s a litte better). - Quickshifter: agree, upshift is a little clunky when the engine is not on full load, downshift is great anytime, and OMG it´s sooo adictive... - I found no vibrations between 4.000-5.000rpm on the handlebars, maybe some on the footpegs, but c´mon, it´s a huge twin cilinder, BMW makes some good machines, but no miracles LOL. - Very powerful brakes, I didn´t find any fading, but I dind´t try sporty riding yet. We´ll see. - Agree about the weight, it´s a heavy bike. - Very good handling, it´s fast, you feel safe riding it because it´s stability. Nice review sir, but be careful, BMW guys like me are looking for you to crucify you! LOL

[@NothingToProve]

Thank you Asturian, yea this is the only bike that I've done over 1k on in just one weekend and I rode it like a sport bike, so yes, I was pushing it, hard and some times past it's limits and that's why I got the brake fade. But the next day the brakes were back to normal, no fade. But most guys will not push that bike to get fade unless they do a track day. Ride safe, Scott

[@davidfennessey2727]

I just test rode this today and can’t believe how little bottom end power there is compared to my 2018 cb 1000r you have to drop down to third gear at 30 mph my cb pulls this in sixth no problem and the quick shifter is so clunky compared to the Honda I wanted to love this bike and was so disappointed will have to wait for the new s1000 r to come out and try the 4 cylinder

[@stavencapp]

100% on the quickshifter. Was at its worst 1st to 2nd. From 1st to second, even with throttle pinned, there is an unsettling jerkiness that throws you back then forward. Its even worse if you are leant over slightly taking a corner. The jerkiness actually activated traction control. This was the same even on the r1200rs, so they didnt even attempt to fix it.

[@abhinavsingh388]

Awesome review and many thanks for doing this. In the Covid lockdown I am unable to test ride this bike but was seriously considering buying this. The ergonomics challenges that you called out would have been a massive issue for me as I was planning to take this bike on a European tour and the vibrations, seat and the handlebars would have caused me major issues... so thanks again.

[@sg_tigergg622]

Thank you for YOUR onesty.....thank's very much.....i'm looking you from France.....have a good luck....buy

[@On2WheelswithDennis]

Liking your videos a lot!! Good work👍👍 btw if they planning a new series of the A-Team you will be “Face” 🤣🤣somehow you constantly remind me of him!! All the best! Regards Dennis

[@mainwah]

Hello Scott, owning a r1200 rs for almost three years, I want to upgrade to a 1250 rs, in your video you mentioned about 30°C when touring in the Eiffel region. My question is, I don't drive a lot in the summer, cos with the present model my feet/boots heats up severely... So bad, that I have to put my feet on the foot pegs of duo passenger. Did you had that problem too? I search in the comments, but nobody has this nick pick...

[@NothingToProve]

Hi, no I didn't notice that but I had on the TCX WP Rush Formula 1 style shoes on when I was on that trip, they are for very hot weather riding, so that may have helped with my feet not getting to hot. You will notice the power difference if you upgrade from the 1200 to the 1250, the torque comes on much lower in the RPM band and more of it, so it is worth to trade up to the 1250 if you can do it. Ride safe, Scott

[@wendelllees2762]

I second the last comment, it may come off as a little harsh, but the brake fade is inexcusable during a road ride, the smallish tank volume is off the stated purpose and the riding position windshield protection is a little personalized, may not be a universal problem!

[@aleksandarpetrovic2311]

Hi NothingtoProve How would you compare r1250rs with s1000xr ( they are different bikes ), which one you like more Regards

[@NothingToProve]

Hmm...that is a tough question. I really don't know which I'd pick. I guess I'd have to wait to see the new 1000XR, I'll do a review on it when it gets to the dealerships...hopefully in June.

[@ancba1]

Perfect Scott. Pity that there are not many reviews as the ones of you. You don' have one on the R1250RT?

[@NothingToProve]

Yes, kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqaydquql613r6s. Thanks Bart, ride safe, Scott

[@tibork3845]

Thanks for the great review! I love the RS but the new one is a bit too sporty looking for me so for now I am staying with my older model. At 3:40 you mentioned the handle bar vibration, the way I kind of solved that (the older models have it too) .. is I installed foam grips over the factory grips, they feel a bit strange and bulky at first but once you get used to them they really help with the vibration. A little bit on the brake fade: technically front brakes should always be applied with four fingers - not that it excuses the fade, but also helps avoiding pressing on the other fingers and not being able to fully applied in an emergency situation. About fuel capacity: the other bikes like the Yamaha FJR and Honda ST1300 are more comparable with the BMW R1250RT which also has a 25 L tank, remember the RS is really made more for short trips yet light enough to commute to work daily. I also heard about the hard handling in the curves and the two position only with the windshield - and also have to stop to change it. And finally the price: most non-BMW people are pointing out the high price but what most don't know is BMWs made to last twice as long, 200K miles (= 320K km) while most other bikes 100K miles (= 160K km) so you're technically paying for two bikes. Good review overall, thank you!

[@worldsnomad]

Hmmmmm, bit far fetched them mileage expectation especially considering most of recent bmw bikes ends up with issues.

[@tibork3845]

@@worldsnomad That's because of all the electronic gadgets they put on the newer bikes (every one of them add another possible problem) but the engines themselves are designed and manufactured to run for 200K miles.

[@cubatime72]

Watched a guy today doing a track day on one of these, he was punching it and keeping up with pure sports bikes. His brakes must have been fine

[@harsanyibalazs7181]

Nice review!!!! U gotta be honest,that what review is all about. Also could be valuable feedback for BMW to improve.

[@BlackProjectNL]

Good solid honest review, not many are completely honest:), I had a 1200 RS nothing wrong with it, until I purchased the KTM 2019 SD GT, agree with your "woulk be" decision, the KTM is a more exciting (better) bike. However, I never rode the new 1250 RS, had also a 1250 GS (sold it; no soul, to perfect), hence, I have some experience with the 1250 power train; they all have vibs at 4000 to 5000 rpm. The KTM 1290 SD GT is an animal, with a exciting grunty mid range and a space shuttle top end. Once again good video!

[@your_royal_highness]

The bike this guy is describing, taller seat, higher bars, taller screen, fuel capacity, handling twisties etc, was my K1300GT. Effortless handling, just fell into curves. I miss it! Faster than my R1200RS, more comfortable, etc. I wish they had an updated version. 1600 is too much bike.

[@alexmorgan3435]

BMW won't be best pleased. I was thinking about trying this bike, but don't think I will now. The vibration in the bars and in the pegs seems worrying. I have never heard ANYONE mention this before. Maybe they are BMW fanboys and don't want to say anything negative? I also learned something else important to me from you today. You owned a Honda Blackbird for 4 years and loved it. I own a Blackbird, a low mileage mint one which I also love very much. I have owned mine 4 yeas now. I have half heartedly been looking for something to replace it which is proving tricky. I would love a new Blackbird will all the new electronic bells and whistles on it, cruise and traction control, riding modes, etc., but alas Honda is not going to re-introduce it. My thinking is you should now review the FJR1300. It seems to have a very good rep, shaft drive and our police here in UK use them. Don't know about German police they probably have to use BMW 1200RTs. I like KTM but for me they are a bit tall as unlike you I am a shortie. I believe also the KTM 1290 GT is chain drive not shaft this would be my only reservation buying one plus the height issues for me. You forgot the Kawasaki ZZR1100, 1200 and1400 and then of course the Suzuki Hayabusa. Anyway thanks again for your objective review. Much appreciated. Many thanks. Btw did you max out your Blackbird on the autobahn? Such a great bike, so silky smooth. Maybe you could do a video of all the bikes you have owned sit seems you've owned a few?

[@gregcnz3301]

Alex Morgan - you still should, a great bike, even tho I sold my ‘16 RS for a ‘17 R! Both my RS and R had/have a very minor buzz (more like a harmonic hum) around 3000rpm in the higher gears. For me at least, not off-putting in the least. You’ll never really know till you ride it.

[@albertosousa9051]

Hi Scott! Thanks a lot for your review! Honesty always pays.... And get credibility on the way! About KTM 1290 GT any intense heat from the engine during commuting or driving in urban areas? All the best?

[@NothingToProve]

Hi Alberto, no, I did not experience any but the day that I was on the GT was a cool day, not hot at all. I've heard some guys complain about it but they are usually in warmer climates. I have a 1290 Super Duke R now for 3 years and yes you can feel the heat coming off of it (when it's hot out) but it didn't feel like any more than normal from any other bike. So I cannot complain about the 1290 Super Duke R as far as heat is concerned and they have the same motor...just tuned differently. Ride safe, Scott

[@Supernova12034]

awesome review, stark contrast to some youtubers who insist on every bike being great!

[@stevecade857]

How much does it cost to upgrade the KTM 1290 GT to shaft drive? With the R1250RS most dealers will allow you to spech your seat preference at purchase so no extra there. Most bikes will drink fuel at high speed so no surprise there. If you start with a small tank you will definitely be looking for some sooner than most though. But when ridden at usual road speeds not many will be able to achieve +60mpg the Boxers can. Just done a short tour 2up with full luggage on a R1200RT and come back with 63.4 mpg. Very impressed with that.

[@NothingToProve]

Hi Steve, umm...never heard of changing a chain to shaft drive. That's going into the design of the whole chassis and frame set-up. Cost prohibitive. BTW, I get over 60mpg all the time with my wife on the back of my 1290SDR. So there are other big engine bikes that get great fuel economy too...also several others but won't go into all them here. I don't want to offend you more than I already have with nitpicking on the RS. And they are just nitpicks. Ride safe, Scott

[@stevecade857]

@@NothingToProve Not offended at all but pointing out shaft drive can be a big consideration on a sports tourer for some. You can't purchase one for the (great) 1290GT. Didn't get much above 40 mpg on my 990SD so glad you're get way above that on the 1290s. Those newer engines are a big improvement.

[@19motya69]

Thank you for the review. Great job! I have a question, although not directly related to the topic. To your opinion, what would be today’s closest analogy for my 2011 K1300S in case I decide to update? Thanks in advance.

[@NothingToProve]

Thank you Mark, I'd say this bike. The main difference really is the motor between the two. Well, there are several other differences but essentially going to the boxer...which I think hurts rather than helps it. Ride safe, Scott

[@19motya69]

Thank you very much for your response. You too, shiny side up!

[@tommyb6422]

I bought my 1250 gs based in part from your review (and test ride). Trust your honest, straight forward reviews, opinions.

[@noeldawson9211]

great review, I am a BMW guy, they are good but not perfect never worry about an honest review, thanks for the information, most people do not get a 1200k test ride so thanks for your observations, does the R1250R have the same vibration issues?

[@NothingToProve]

Thank you Noel, well, all motors have vibration, it just comes down to how well the OEM can eliminate the vibration or at least hide it. In this case BMW was not able to hide it in the RS. It is there in the R, GS & RT but very well hidden or hard to notice. The R & GS have an actual handle bar unlike the RS and this seems to hid the vibrations more, they are still there just really hard to notice. Simple solution is to add bar end weights to the RS and that really helps...at least that is what I've heard from other guys. Ride safe, Scott

[@carllewis1691]

Great review, honest, clear, helpful. Thank you

[@worldsnomad]

Fantastic review, and reviews ! 👍👍