2019 BMW R1250RT v R1200RT - Evolution or Revolution ?

[@r12rtpilot]

Loved your comments. Been riding RTs and GSAs since 1997. If fact, I've now got about 340K miles on all of these bikes. I just bought my latest RT, a 2019. I specifically did not want the large TFT of the 2021.... I've only started the bike three times since I picked up. Hopefully can ride some tomorrow! Steve, Newport, OR, USA

[@Back2TheBike]

Great to hear from you Steve. Enjoy your new machine and greetings from across the Pond

[@soulscornsentinel-7124]

I have just bought a 2006 R1200RT, coming from a Honda shadow cruiser it’s another world. So far I’m loving it. Still getting used to the seat height as I only just have my balls of feet on the floor in its lowest setting and weight, but seriously loving it.

[@TimothyT230]

I will be tempted when the RT is upgraded to include a TFT display (like the RS and GS), LED main headlight and ‘wonderwheel’ functionality fully integrated with the navigator (like the GS and RS). If all those items were sorted I would have been heavily tempted to trade my 1200 on the 1250. No doubt the engine is better but the rest of the bike is exactly the same as mine. Keeping my 1200 for now. No more $ for BMW yet 😂

[@Back2TheBike]

Hard to disagree with that Greg. With a little refinement, maybe that improved screen, it would sell like hot cakes.

[@krytenLister]

My thoughts exactly

[@r13gbs]

I took one out a while back and in comparison i felt my 16 RT better ,especially on throttle response,although it had only done 180 mile so running in may have to be considered,I think I will wait for any recalls sorted till i open my wallet,and it wont be spent on that stupid audio system,why add that on at extra cost when most intercoms will pair with phone or Nav 6 and play music from there..

[@Back2TheBike]

rick burgess the audio does seem a bit pointless, maybe a 2 minute wow factor to impress bystanders, but much better quality through the headset these days. I've often wondered how I could use the space those speakers take up ...

[@r13gbs]

@@Back2TheBike The audio is very 80's Goldwing,,you can (apparently )use the speaker compartments for storage of maybe a small first aid kit or other essentials,but you would need a small torx bit to hand

[@paulgriffiths6404]

Brilliant review of the new BMW R1250RT. I test road this bike beginning of February. I loved it so much I have ordered one. I currently ride a Honda Deauville Nt700 which I have owned for over 10years. Thanks for sharing. Also given you a sub. Cheers and safe riding.

[@Back2TheBike]

Hi Paul and welcome to B2TB. Thanks for your encouragement. I'm no expert but just try to give an average rider's 'real life' perspective. Let us know how you fare with new toy!

[@paulgriffiths6404]

@@Back2TheBike Will do. Your review was excellent. Technical reviews sometimes go overboard. Your review was a real life review and that's what we are all interested in. Cheers and safe riding.

[@travelinben1966]

There isn’t enough about the 1250 to sway me from purchasing a 1200 leftover.I feel confident that the engine redesign on the 1250 won’t be problematic,however,as a rule,I generally wait a year to make sure any bugs,should they appear,are worked out.Thank you for the excellent video comparing and contrasting the two.👍

[@Back2TheBike]

Brian Mclaughlin I agree Brian. Let's wait for the next iteration with the fancy display!

[@travelinben1966]

Back2TheBike Probably good advice,but I like the bike so much,I don’t think I can wait,particularly if I can get a good deal on an 18 leftover now.Decisions,decisions.🤔

[@travelinben1966]

Last BMW I owned was an R65.I rode an R1200 RT last spring and loved it.I may pull the trigger this weekend,and buy an R1250 RT.Great video,thank you! 👍👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@Back2TheBike]

Brilliant. More reviews coming soon!

[@R1200RTLE]

FS1E to a R1200RT! I had a HondaSS50 😅 Great video, good commentary...

[@gdscheiwe01]

Great review sir. This is the year to add a BMW to my garage and I am spending my winter debating the virtues of a second hand GSA or a new 1250 GSA. You aren’t making it any easier. 2 more months till the roads here in Wisconsin clear enough allow test rides. At that point I will be following your “4 bike ride off “ from the beginning of your journey. Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@Back2TheBike]

Graden Scheiwe Ha! Just to make it even harder make sure you give the S1000XR a blast too ;-)

[@grantbattison7948]

Hi Graden, as a matter of interest, what did you land up buying?

[@jamesgreen3417]

Nice to see you riding in my neck woods. Used to ride that route every day for years. I’m the same when they put the TFT in I might go for one.

[@Back2TheBike]

Some nice roads on the Nothants/Beds border aren't there?

[@jamesgreen3417]

Back2TheBike there some amazing roads, some good ones going out of Bedford towards Cardington and sandy potton area.

[@cliff8675]

I'd be tempted to jump to the 1250, but I'm coming from an '06 that is still serving my need just fine, so not moving just yet. I notice many people lamenting that the transmission is still clunky. I for one love that 1st gear still drops in with a firm thunk. For me that thunk is an essential part or the RT. Old school mechanical works, takes me away from the electronic technology of my day job.

[@Back2TheBike]

Clifford J. Summers Sr. Hi Clifford, I totally agree. There's something comforting about that clunk! I suspect next year's model with the upgraded display might be more tempting but I won't be upgrading any time soon for the same reasons as yourself.

[@oldtimer3824]

Nice review. I only had a 27 year hiatus from motorcycle riding. RE-entered with a Kawasaki Versys x300 and 18 months later purchased a used Africa Twin. I see an RT in my future someday.

[@Back2TheBike]

Hi OT, yes, a very competent operator but heavy at slow speeds. Ticks all the boxes and great for longer distances. I've evolved to a Monster now, 85Kg lighter after a major heart incident.

[@oldtimer3824]

Back2TheBike thank you for the reply. Good health to you sir, glad to hear you’re still on two wheels.

[@SteveIneson]

Excellent set of videos, all very useful, thank you.

[@Back2TheBike]

Thanks for the feedback Steve.

[@SteveIneson]

@@Back2TheBike may I ask what camera you use?

[@Back2TheBike]

@@SteveIneson I use a Drift Ghost S as my helmet cam. Its now superceded by the X. You can find a review in my playlist.

[@Josh-ew1le]

Great review, thanks for sharing!

[@STOPsignforRT]

2018 BMW R1200 RT Owner comment: I am perfectly content with the power output on my bike and have no desire to explore more horsepower or torque. However, I have heard that the engine is a little quieter with the new changes and THAT would interest me but I would not upgrade on that benefit alone. I think the 2019 RT is an incremental change and not a huge leap so I think I’ll keep mine. I do appreciate your review and value your opinions however so thank you very much for the video. Cheers. 🥂

[@Back2TheBike]

Hi and welcome to B2TB. I'm with you to be honest. I agree that it is a little quieter and smoother, but in itself no 'burning platform' to upgrade. Yet!

[@binness]

Well, I am well late on this one, but a very interesting video, so thank you for the upload, about the double corner I would give you a ten this time, I have watched you over the past year or so, and I think you are now a very good and safe rider, I know you will continue to improve, so I tip my helmet to you. The saying about casting a clout till may is out, as far as I know is about farmers not ploughing too early, as a clout ( not a whack round the head ) is a sod of earth.all the best, ride safe my friend. Bob in the UK

[@Back2TheBike]

Thanks Bob. Hopefully more videos on the way soon.

[@resemblesanacorn6561]

Great review, B2B. I recently returned to bikes, and after a year of agony on a Honda VFR 800, I decided to PX it for an ex police RT 1200. Its the only way I could afford a BMW! I have to say: What a brilliant machine. It's perfect for my everyday needs and commute. I'm very happy with it, and maybe one day i'll upgrade to a newer watercooled one. P.S Nice Ducati, by the way!

[@Back2TheBike]

Yes they're well sorted aren't they? They also can handle a lot of miles so I'm sure you'll enjoy your BMW!

[@stevoone342]

Good vid. I currently own 2012 RT but have know brought and will replace RT, A K1600 Grand America I found her so smooth and the sounds she makes is amazing and more conftable, I also found she handled amazingly and the shiftcam wow. Carnot wait till next week to receive her and is also my first Brand New bike. The new RT is for me would be a step up from 2012 air cooled but I was also after a bike that is more comfortable two up on tour. Know riden k1600 makes my bike seem like a tractor in comparison but I do still like the bike. Yet again good vid. You do seem more confident in a good way compared when you first got back to biking.

[@Back2TheBike]

Yes definitely more confident. Amazing what you remember and what you've forgotten after a 37yr lay off. Still have to work at it though!

[@peterlewis968]

I currently ride a 1200 RT LE and enjoy the bike coming from a 1200 GSA, I certainly couldn't justify changing up to the 1250. There are obvious improvements regarding engine, but the rest of the bike seems much the same, as they say If it's not broken, don't fix it.

[@Back2TheBike]

Totally agree Peter. I suspect next year's version might be a little more tempting though!

[@MsDenver2]

I’ll give you 10 you did it safely. The last time I rode a bike was 1981 I had a Kawasaki z1000st , a gorgeous bike , very fast and smooth with the shaft drive , breaks weren’t as good as they are today on modern bikes. I still like bikes but don’t know if I could get back on one after all these year’s.

[@Back2TheBike]

HI Donna, I remember the Z1000ST. You certainly could do it again, maybe worth a go? Start with a skills refresh day with a decent trainer on a smaller bike to see if it puts a smile on your face 😀

[@petery3523]

According to my financial planner (aka Mrs.Y) I have to keep my 2017 RT, which to be fair I am ok with, love my bike! Great review, thanks Neil.

[@Back2TheBike]

Yes, I've got one of those too Peter ;-)

[@mikek545]

My first thought was fire your financial planner...then after I got it, I thought oh...never mind! 😂🤣

[@rustynorris7]

I too am looking to return after 47 years off from riding. Wanting to buy the r1250 rt w top case or k1600 gtl. I’m 6’0” 230 lbs. 34” inseam. The wife is a very very sometimes pillion at 5’8” 175 lbs.

[@Back2TheBike]

Youll love it Rusty. So will your boss.

[@zumerzetbiker2442]

Nice Video Neil the R.T Is Nice bike in whatever guise. Looking at possibly getting one my self later in the year but budget means it will be a earlier 1200 model for know. Will be signing up for the I.M. Course this Sunday at a Bike Show. keep up the good work

[@Back2TheBike]

Good news. IAM usually do a £99 offer which covers 15 months of membership and the exam fee. I understand there are plenty of used RT's/GS's around so probably worth a trip to the dealer.

[@stevesharkey3312]

You didn’t notice a great deal of difference but then I didn’t see you pass 4000rpm too often, made me laugh when you said it was just smoother under acceleration (you twisted the throttle gently in 5th gear!). Loved the 4 years and 46000 miles on my R1200RT - not a lot “wrong” with it (apart from BMW costs!

[@stevesharkey3312]

Two up on a long 18 day tour of Norway we managed an indicated 62mpg,

[@Back2TheBike]

Hi Steve, I just give give a general overall impression and it is a little smoother than the 1200. Being an old bloke and staying legal I never thrash them ;-)

[@stevesharkey3312]

Back2TheBike Fair enough, it’s that kind of bike, just an observation since shift cam comes into play (according to BMW) at 5000rpm or pretty wide open throttle. I don’t think of 6000-7000rpm as thrashing it when the red line is at 9k. Whilst the R1200 does encourage shifting early, it does seem to enjoy the occasional holding onto the lower gears. I wish the fog and sos buttons weren’t an after thought hand me down from the GS with the mirror stem cut outs, in fact there’s a lot about the bike that makes the statement that the GS is the primary target of their attention.

[@wallaceshackleton1889]

'Ne'er cast a clout till May be out'. It's been in use since at least the 18th century. A clout is an old word for a piece of clothing. Some people think 'May' refers to the month but others take it to mean the May flower or hawthorn

[@Back2TheBike]

Thanks for the history lesson Wallace 😁

[@johnpollock4257]

Great video

[@HepcatHarley]

I must nip over to Woolaston, haven't been there for many years. On them sharp bends in Kimbolton do you use the clutch at all? Must sort that ride-out soon my good man :)

[@Back2TheBike]

I'm sure they'd put the red carpet out for you. Clutch? Maybe a little. Thought I had cracked it but the 'Boss' says I need to slow down more and get further out. Yes, it would be good to meet up in the not too distant future. March is busy work-wise but hopefully one fine Spring day?

[@HepcatHarley]

@@Back2TheBike Yep I would'a gone round in the ol' friction zone (as some call it) It almost sounded like the motor was lugging with no revs on that right hander....but then it is a boxer :)

[@Back2TheBike]

@@HepcatHarley 1300 rpm is plenty on the boxer of you're moving nicely, but you're right of course. Maybe 2000 rpm and some slippage is the proper way. Dale reckons 1st gear should have been used too at such a slow pace I could, if necessary, have stopped on a sixpence.

[@HepcatHarley]

@@Back2TheBike It sounded like it was nearing stall speed which isn't good on a tight turn, oh and that sixpence is mine :)

[@seaflyfisher]

@@Back2TheBike - always go back to basics mate so treat it like any other bend and hold position until you can see its clear to exit - the slightly too quick approach will make you cut into it - anything big will be coming to your side of the road and because it's so blind I would approach it expecting to stop so right into the nearside, time and control it that you get to entry as if you're intending to stop in either first or second depending on what you and your bikes happy in at that speed - pick up the drive as normal looking at the view point for anything oncoming - as with any bend view is opening all the time on the way in and once you reach the point where you can see the roads clear you can straighten to exit - if anything big comes you're as far from it as possible and can stop easily with any following already controlled down behind you - if it's a car oncoming you just hold position and delay the exit - keep it simple and treat it like any other bend in respect of setup, view, position and drive :D

[@kevinhicks3091]

Hi Neil, I rode the very same bike the next day...…….. yep that is the bike for me! I just need to shake the money tree.

[@Back2TheBike]

Time to look down the back of the sofa for all that lost change

[@SololaneMvlog]

Would you say there is a lot less vibrations? Thanks

[@Back2TheBike]

Very slightly less, almost imperceptible

[@squid148]

I’ve owned both the 14 GSA 1200 and now a 22 1250 RT. When just comparing the power plants: The 1200 always felt a little flat to me. I was expecting more low end torque from it . With the new 1250 , it just rips right off the bottom of the rpm’s and seems to be smoother in regard to vibration. Would I trade a 1200 for a 1250? Perhaps 🤔

[@Tax2Me]

36 years ago there were no turn signals right?

[@garysetch]

What riding mode were you in Neil? I really don’t like the rain mode on my 1200rt, it’s to soft and makes the whole bike feel ‘lardy’ - I generally use road mode and dynamic when I want to play!

[@Back2TheBike]

garysetch I think it was in Road mode Gary. The 1250 felt just that little bit sharper than the 1200, but even though it was warmish on winter roads that were slightly grotty I didn't fancy dynamic.

[@Koala260]

Hi Neil, Have been subscribed since I found your initial test ride vids on the v storm,bmw etc some 18 months ago. You did say you were a returning biker but I believe if my hearing is correct,in this vid you say your last bike was an FS1E. That puts you in the same age bracket as myself, my last bike being the RD50. I never took my test (in those days stick on the L plate and you were good to go forever) and last November decided to take take my full "big bike" as the instructor called it test. I passed first time. What interests me in watching your return, did you simply get off the fizy some 30 years ago,go to sleep and then wake up and decide to call in at your local bwm dealer and ask for a test ride,(very brave man) a couple of years ago, or did you take some instruction on some larger bikes before walking into the show room and asking for a test ride. Would scare the life out me doing that to be honest. I'm finding only the main dealers will give a test ride ,the smaller Indies will not offer one due to lack of experience, I can understand that though. Looking at the 650 versys for myself in a month or so. Enjoy the vids,Thanks.

[@Back2TheBike]

Hi Stephen, that's a great question. I put a lot of thought into it and decided it would be unsafe for myself and unfair to a dealer if I just walked in after 37 years and 'jumped on' their bike. I watched a lot of YT video before I got anywhere near a bike. I visited and chatted with a few dealers just to take a peek at what was available. I sat on a few, and thought - wow, that's big! Next step (having bought all my kit) was a back to biking day which I did with Honda in Bedford, 2 hours in the car park then 2 ride-outs. The instructor mentioned a Suzuki Cafe Ride a week later, so I booked a ride on a Vstrom 650. Only 30 mins, but more time on the bike, and the dealer was happy for me to do it. Confidence building, so rode the Vstrom 1000 as well. I asked Suzuki for a 'preper' demo, so visited them and rode both bikes again the following week. Next stage was, in one day, to take out the R1200GS, then the RT from the BMW dealer, but taking it very gingerly. All this is videod if you want to check it out. The sensible (and my initial favourite) choice would have been a 650, but having waited so long, and not wanting to have to trade up after only a year, I dived in for the RT and have no regrets - it was the perfect choice.

[@seaflyfisher]

@@Back2TheBike - I know we had this conversation Neil but the bigger bikes are usually easier to ride because of the "your weight to bike weight" ratio - having more bike under you lowers the overall centre of gravity and gives better balance and stability which in turn will boost your confidence with it

[@djyoz9057]

Forgive me if I'm wrong But my question is Would you trade up or do you think your old 1200 is as capable

[@Back2TheBike]

I did trade it after a heart incident meant I needed something lighter. That said, as long as you're not àfter the latest gizmos, that model was a very capable machine and could take a very high mileage

[@djyoz9057]

@Back2TheBike thanks for that mine has 190000 kms now and still a great bike

[@troppo4872]

To the right of the control wheel on the LH switch block is a strange button, marked with little arrows. You push it to tell everyone you are going L or R. Riding to an "advanced standard", are you?

[@Back2TheBike]

Take, use or give information. Giving a signal is only performed if likely to be useful to another road user. Sorry if that's too simple for you.

[@davidbirchall5124]

Great video, very informative and fair review, I cant decide on a RT1250 or GS 1250.....im 5ft 8....???

[@Back2TheBike]

Ride them both. If you ride all year get the RT.

[@tommillar2821]

i understand there is a low seat, today i booked a ride on a gsa and i think its taller than my 1200 explorer i am 6,2 its a high one for sure,,

[@1050cc]

Hi, you mentioned somebody you referred to as a mentor. Could you post the link please (I did look but may have missed it). Technical reviews are great and there are lots of them but the "gut reaction" reviews are much more interesting to me 👌👍

[@Back2TheBike]

Seaflyfisher channel. Masterclass series.

[@2UpDuc]

BMW Purchasing question : Has anyone flown to the BMW motorad factory and bought a bike rode it around Europe and shipped to the USA? Is this even possible.??? I would love to buy a 1250RT or whatever is the newest model by then at the plant as it comes off the assembly line and ride it around Europe for a couple of weeks and then ship back to my home in the USA... Please help....

[@hclark6114]

Useful test for me thanks. I have owned 3 previous RT's, the last one 20 yrs ago. I am inspired to take a test bike out. Can you please tell me what cam you use, is it on your helmet? its excellent quality. Do you use a a body airbag vest?

[@Back2TheBike]

Hi Harry. I use the Drift Ghost x. Check out my review. I dont wear an air vest. Hope you enjoy your RT ride!

[@brankojerbic6040]

Nice review. I test rode the 1250RT and you definately notice more power at the top end but not at lower to mid range which is where you'll be nost of the time unless you dont like your licence. I bought a really nice 2017 R1200RT which has the updated gearbox, which is still the same on the 1250, and that makes things a lot smoother. Output shaft end has damping so if you compare the '17 to '18 models to the new 1250 there's not much in it. Gold forks denote the Dynamic Esa but the 1250 goes another step further by auto preload too. Gearing is a bit different on the GS but the RT is more planted at speed. The rest is simply a case of horses for courses. I dont like the games console style Tft on the GS. New RT's and K1600's, from 2020, will most probably get a nice car like Tft where you still have seperate speedo and tacho on either end but they will be virtual like on the new Bmw cars with various info and sat nav in the middle with option for full screen etc... Nice cornering but it didn't exactly raise your pulse..😉. Only kidding..Entry speed = control. Simply love the RT. Does everything you could want and you never see one in a mishap on KZbin.... Good old Roger Moore...

[@Back2TheBike]

Thats a superb anslysis Branko. Thanks. The new TFT display sounds interesting. Im not skilled enough for high speed cornering but its one of my objectives to work on this year. Maybe the 2020 RT might progress to a Daniel Craig level?!

[@AlexRougeTraveler]

I went for the 1250 RT which will be delivery by end of next week. I didn't wanted to wait for the front LED lights as I am scared this will be part of the upgrade including a TFT screen which I do not really like. So, to be safe, I purchased it as it is now. For anything else, I think this bike is fantastic should it be 1200 or 1250.

[@Back2TheBike]

@@AlexRougeTraveler Hi Alex. Yes she's a lovely machine which really ticks all the boxes.

[@brankojerbic6040]

@@AlexRougeTraveler Congratulations ! Superb choice and a well balanced machine. The new engine is smoother and quieter as no cam chains. Enjoy !

[@AlexRougeTraveler]

@@brankojerbic6040 Yes a lovely machine that will be next to a CRF 1000, another lovely machine. By the way, where do you see there is no cam chains on the new 1250 engine?

[@guyholt3757]

Neil. According to my local BMW dealer, the 2020 RT is to have a TFT display. A larger one than the GS has. 10"I believe. I love my RT but hate the asymmetric dials. The 2020 version will be very welcome. I do worry about your straight lining of roundabouts! Were you taught that too on the AIM? You would certainly fail your driving test if you did that on the day!.

[@Back2TheBike]

The IAM do teach it, as well as my mentor SeaFlyFisher. As long as the lanes aren't marked (say for a right turn), you've checked your mirror and there's no following traffic, and done a right shoulder lifesaver, the straight line is the cleanest, quickest route out of the hazard.

[@guyholt3757]

@@Back2TheBike Neil. My argument to that would be that the information you are giving to any approaching vehicles at the next exit, is that you are turning right, that's what tour position on the roundabout says. If that is the case then someone at the next exit might think it's ok to pull on to roundabout as they are turning left! Any thoughts?

[@Back2TheBike]

@@guyholt3757 I'd argue that because I can now maintain a straighter course (always good on a slippery surface) and higher speed I'd be out of the situation well before they would come into conflict with me. Assuming the RAB isn't split into marked lanes it's my right of way as well. As always, I should be able to stop in the distance I can see to be clear so I'd be watching him to see if he's going to do something daft.

[@seaflyfisher]

Hi Guy - theres no problem with taking a straighter course through roundabouts as long as the lanes aren't directional and specifically marked and that you're not coming into conflict with other road users - if its unmarked and clear, then the straightest course is quickest and safest particularly in adverse weather and road surface conditions - the bigger the circumference of your course, the more upright you can keep the bike which gives you stability and helps you carry speed safely. Your course will still show other drivers where you're going and if its needed, a signal as you pass the penultimate junction will confirm your intentions. With the bike more upright, if you do need to brake or take evasive action for any reason you are automatically in a much safer place being more upright, to be able to do it. There are no harsh changes in direction taking that straighter course which will allow you to put power in earlier and leave an area of high potential danger quicker - its also a good opportunity to create that gap between you and any following traffic as you negotiate the roundabout quickly - if you watch Neils course through the roundabouts, its nothing drastic thats going to confuse other drivers, its just a smooth, no fuss, flowing course through the roundabout and away quick. Roundabouts are no different than taking any other bend and the bigger you can make the circumference of your turning circle on all of them, the safer you'll be keeping yourself - you'll still be leaving the roundabout at the same exit point, you've just taken a slightly straighter course to get there - stay safe out there - Dale

[@rodambrosio1]

Llevo manejando 10 años gs 1200 y ahora quiero pasar al segmento de las Rt, pero valdrá la pena ir por la 1250 Rt 2020 nueva o gastar menos por una 1200 Rt 2018 usada con 28000km? Saludos desde México

[@Back2TheBike]

A second hand machine with full service history will save you money. The RT can take a lot of miles, but for preference I would want something with less than 15Km which had been cared for by its owner.

[@Isingdabodyelectric]

So do you think the R1250RT can keep up with the Yamaha FJR1300. In the twisted and highways

[@Back2TheBike]

Hi, good question. Honest answer? I don't know because I haven't ridden the FJR, but I'd suspect the differences would be marginal. I think when you've got this level of power/torque you can have as much fun as your skill will permit. Great YT name by the way ;-)

[@martinknowles1633]

Having owned a 2015 FJRes and having ridden Wollaston’s R1250rt, they are totally different styles of bike, the FJR in my opinion is more manageable, the engine more powerful but needs to be revved harder (torque level) than the RT, I found that when stopping there’s not a lot of room for your left foot to touch down, which just made me slightly nervous with it (loan bike) probably something you would get used to. I would say the FJR is a closer match to the R1200RS (soon to be the R1250RS) as the RT feels physically much bigger.. horses for courses. Good review though.

[@Back2TheBike]

Martin Knowles I appreciate the insight Martin. Feels like a long time ago now! I know Leics police prefer the FJR as its faster and easier to handle in town.

[@seaflyfisher]

@@Back2TheBike Very diplomatic mate - its the rider that makes the difference, not the bike :D

[@nikoscosmos]

I think if BMW removed the gearbox clunk, there would be a revolt by German buyers!

[@Back2TheBike]

Indeed. You're certainly never in doubt you've dropped into first !

[@HI-os2pm]

The clunk in the 1st gear is the BMW trademark.

[@thecrush1991]

ridden harley they clunk every gear

[@zunaidkajee4540]

hi buddy from south Africa. I am considering trading my k1600 GTL for the 1250 RT. Biggest reason is the less weight. you did mention that an aftermarket touring screen will sort out the buffeting problem, any particular make you can recommend?. o personally prefer the analog dials with the little LCD in the middle, like my k bike, to an all out tft dash. I find it much more classier and easier to read. I also think adding all those electronics to the bike will push the prices much higher, like what happened to the GS. thanks for review buddy

[@Back2TheBike]

Hi Zunaid, try this forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread.php?78210-Installed-the-Wunderlich-Touring-Screen-on-the-15-RT

[@kevinb2773]

Thanks for this Neil. I'm going to take a 1250 out when my 1200 is in for service. It looks a nice upgrade, but not one I need to dash to Mr BMW to buy before the 1200 has reached it's normal time to change. And you still can't lock the damn GPS to it with central locking (I think). I've heard the quickshifter is smoother though?

[@Back2TheBike]

The quickshifter, rather like the gears in general, is marginally slicker, but nothing like that on the S1000XR where you hardly need the clutch.

[@SaladDodger4221]

This RT upgrade hasn't done enough for me compared to the 1200 - BMW should ( and probably could) have gone further but they are no mugs when it comes to selling bike units.They will sell this upgrade by the barnful and the next, and the next.... If you are looking for an upgrade at this moment in time go with the new 1250RS ( the mini-bus rather than the bus ) - a slim line RT if you like. For me personally - I would hang on a bit longer and keep an eye out for the upgraded s1000XR with TFT etc. The 4 cylinder engine is quite buzzy but fantastically flexible - can be a sheep or lion depending on how you feel ! The bike I miss the most is the k1600 GT - just wow but too heavy for me even though it had a reverse gear and had every gizmo you could shake a stick at.The ultimate riding machine but don't drop it.

[@Back2TheBike]

Agreed Gordon with the S1000XR and new TFT. AS you say BMW have cornered the market here. The RT is IMHO the world's best touring bike and I'm delighted with mine, but the 1250 unit by itself is not sufficient reason to upgrade ... yet!

[@gadget02]

What’s it like filtering on the RT ? I have a test ride this week and am thinking of getting one.

[@Back2TheBike]

John Sinclair Hi John, full disclosure: I rarely filter and only then if there's a lot of room and a major advantage. I'd say though it is possible but you clearly are slightly wider than say a GS.

[@gadget02]

Back2TheBike thanks for that. 👍

[@martynleyfield2941]

Hi great review love the RT,I think you were felling the GSA had more because it geared differently 😉

[@Back2TheBike]

Martyn Leyfield Thanks Martin. I didn't know that, you could be right! Feels like a long time ago at the moment, currently laid up and can't ride for a while 😢

[@martynleyfield2941]

Back2TheBike oh sorry to hear that fella hope your back on it soon, and when you do take your self off to Scotland and do the nc500 I did it 2nd week in May this year with my son his first ever road time it was absolutely amazing 😊 maybe it would give you something to look forward too 👍 take care and get well soon Regards Martyn

[@christinecopus3004]

Have a go on a 1600k l was amazed.it does things it’s not supposed to.

[@Back2TheBike]

Christine Copus It's a big beast to be sure. I remember the 1980's when 1000cc seemed massive.

[@2wheelsgene171]

After watching a few RT reviews I feel I am thrashing my 07 a bit hard. It’s fun though.

[@Back2TheBike]

Ride it like you stole it, as they say Gene! Whatever floats your boat 😎 Admittedly, this was early, tentative days for me after coming back from such a long lay off. I'm now a little bolder ;-) Enjoy the summer, and best wishes from the UK.

[@Bazza47]

Marks out of 10? I'll give the RT 8 LOL. Nice real world test Neil, though if it's anything lije the GS most of the stuff on the 1250 you mention is already on the last MY version of the 1200 so the only real difference is the engine. I might take a 1250 out when mine goes in for it's service in April just to see what ghe 1200/1250 GS differences are but I'm not looking to change anytime soon

[@Back2TheBike]

I think a lot of people, me included, agree with that Adrian. For the extra dosh you'd need more capability than just the slightly faster/smoother engine. They could have added the new TFT (looks like 2020 according to Guy Holt (above); a more aerodynamic windscreen; and an LED headlamp. Now that would be tempting ...

[@Bazza47]

@@Back2TheBike I wonder if something like this would help with your screen? There's a few bought them on the GS forum that have reported positive results and for the money one could be worth a punt. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Clip-on-Windshield-Windscreen-Extension-Deflector-Universal-Fit/182760099518?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

[@stanleyblazeraznik6047]

This bike or Goldwing?

[@Back2TheBike]

The RT was heavy for me, so I think I'd want to go lighter!

[@beesderry7097]

Hi, during your video you recomended a mentoring channel. I cant quite make it out. Can you please post it here thanks. 👍

[@Back2TheBike]

Bees Derry Hi. The place to look is the SeaFlyFisher channel and his Masterclass series. 1-11 lay the basics, from there on he gets a little more advanced. The best advanced riding instruction on YT IMHO.

[@beesderry7097]

Thanks for that.

[@kirknra863]

I’ll save my ,money and keep my 2000 R1100RT. Use the money to fund more trips ; )

[@Back2TheBike]

Worth a test ride though Kirk - you'll love it.

[@mikedignum1868]

As i recently had a 2014 RT which i px for the GS Exclusive 1250 i find the GS nimbler and the quick shift is a lot smoother (no cluncsk) , plus it comes in a lot more colours than RT Black. Reasons for my change..I wanted to upgrade to the new RT but after a test ride the only big difference i found was the engine itself and i was looking for more upgrades than that for the price . So for i decided against the RT and bought my first ever GS . I have to admit i miss the five stage heated grips and seat (one of the upgrades i was looking for along with full TFT screen).

[@Back2TheBike]

Mike Dignum that's interesting Mike. Makes you wonder what BMW's strategy is. I agree with you about the GS, it did clunk but not as much as the RT. Wasn't a problem for me, part of the character of the bike.

[@patrickporter788]

Good commentary... I would like to see more impulsive responses from the RT... to show that GET UP and GO.. otherwise. Thank you

[@Back2TheBike]

Yes, still early days for me back then. My Ducati is making those get up and go noises though now!

[@guyholt3757]

You are correct about the Hays brakes. Made in the USA and Hays is owned by Brembo.

[@Back2TheBike]

I've read something that suggests they aren't quite the 'gold standard' that the Brembo's are.

[@IanTed]

Guy Holt I think they are better, more feel, certainly are on my GSA...

[@roryduffy712]

Never cast a clout til may is out. Don't take off your vest in case you catch cold. It was said to me as a child

[@Back2TheBike]

Thanks for clearing that one up Rory. Good advice then and now ;-)

[@bobnicholson9821]

Well that confirms it. I will NOT be swapping my 15 plate RT LE for a 1250. Why oh why can they not sort out the effing gear box. It's 2019 for gods sake.

[@billgilkerson5294]

Bought a 2015 r1200r and sold due a disappointing gear box. Hopeful the 2017 fixed it but didn't notice a great difference. Hang around the forums and you'll draw fire from those who just love the tractor type shifting.

[@ReferenceFidelityComponents]

Interesting observations Neil. It seems like the RT isn't as obvious a step up as the GS. Even there, I wouldn't update my 2016 GSA to the 1250 model as the gains are pretty academic wrt the purpose of the bike...the extra investment over a trade in simply do not stack up. Major benefits I saw were better suspension, smoother and stronger engine, great TFT and better handling. That lot isn't worth the 10K upgrade though over a trade in unless you are Mr money bags. The 2016 bikes are still superb bikes with great handling and more than adequate power. More is always welcome but not needed on the lighter GS. Things that niggle are no tft for the new RT...screens that are still not as good as they should be (GS), gearboxes which are not a slick as they could be. How did the handling compare with the 2016 RT and what tyres are now OE? Do you know what the extra mass for the RT attributed to Neil? I won't be upgrading any time soon. Perhaps in a few years.

[@Back2TheBike]

Hi Paul, I agree with your analysis. Handling was identical to my 16 plate RT which has the ESA but not the 'auto' function. 1250's Tyres? Michelin (Road GT??) I think the extra weight +14KG is down to the engine.

[@ReferenceFidelityComponents]

Well, here I am a few years later having sold the GS for an RS which I’ve thoroughly enjoyed and after being spoiled riding our blood bike RT’s, I find myself changing to an RT! I tried the RS as a better all rounder to the GSA, which it is. Owned it fir a while now However, the RT can be made to hustle and I can’t see past the comfort and weather protection of the RT. Turns out, it is the best all round bike😂

[@kevinmobile]

Thanks for the video, you didn't quite answer the question, '...would I upgrade from a 1200 to 1250'. You didn't comment btw on rearward visibility as you were back to the stock mirrors only - did you find it a problem in practice? I think incidentally 'Hill Hold' has changed to auto now so, driven off the IMU, the bike 'knows' when it on a hill! The SOS button is entirely self-contained and does not need to go through any BlueTooth link, it has a miniature speaker and microphone. You can press the button of course in a manual sense but the bike will automatically call (Barcelona, I've tried it!) should you have a fall where you might be too incapacitated to reach it. Finally I read somewhere that in suspension 'Auto' mode, the bike weighs you. Spooky!

[@Back2TheBike]

To answer the question (I did when I said 'why wouldn't you') but it's clearly the logical way to go, but the delta over my LE 16 plate isn't worth the investment yet. Mirrors? The RT's mirrors are fine on a dry day but IMHO next to useless in the wet, with badly occluded vision from road grunge, particularly on the near side. The stalked units I've fitted have given me 20/20 vision all winter. I didn't realise the SoS was self contained, but didn't want to tamper in case Thunderbird 1 suddenly appeared ;-)

[@kevinmobile]

@@Back2TheBike Neil, I've now ridden an RT with SOS over quite a bit of England and Wales and perhaps surprisingly (given it can 'talk' to more than one provider) there are often significant (even A road) areas where there is no service. The dash informs you of that. You also need a 3/4G line of sight connection to the cell site to get the co-ordinates out to the ECALL centre but the Motorrad hype that states: "The intelligent emergency call is active from the start of the journey and is ready for use at all times". While this is really a telecoms/geography issue of course (and 5G will not solve this), that claim above might interest the ASA!

[@davidbaines7014]

Great review again Neil

[@Back2TheBike]

Thanks David. It's a tough job but someone's got to do it ;-)

[@morningbetterlast]

Bike is practically the same, it's hardly evolution even. Did they also downgrade the brakes on RT like they did on GS?

[@Back2TheBike]

morningbetterlast The brakes are badged as BMW but made in the States. On paper they perform the same as the old Brembos, but in think then common view is this was a cost saving decision.

[@IanTed]

morningbetterlast The Hayes brakes are part of the Brembo group, in my opinion they are better, just as strong and more feel, love them on my GSA 1250. The engine is far better than the 1200, the gearbox is just as bad...

[@krachenford9594]

Do you think, they will laugh at me, when i arrive in Douglas for the TT on an Granddaddy-Bike? Anyway, i'll buy it.

[@Back2TheBike]

I think you'll find every kind of bike at the TT, so no ones going to laugh!

[@ianmills35]

Cheers Neil, nice review. 👍🏍. I’m into observed ride 4 now doing my IAM and absolutely loving it. Out again on Tuesday with 2 observers so looking forward to that 👍

[@Back2TheBike]

Great stuff Ian. Make sure you get out to practice 100 miles or so between observes, and only ride one way from now on.

[@ianmills35]

Back2TheBike Cheers Neil, I’ve got a week off next week, forecast is great up here in Scotland so hoping to get lots of practice in. I must say I am enjoying my riding much more now that I am starting to string a few things together, I also really like my observer he is a good guy and he has 10 bikes in his garage happy days 👍🏍

[@mxmerce]

Looks like you had it in rain mode(22:38), and that is why it didn't feel as powerful as the 1250gs.

[@Back2TheBike]

Cant remember now to be honest! I've swapped it now for a Monster R which I had in sport mode yesterday for the first time. Wow. 🔥🔥🔥

[@justdad53]

You had to search way too hard differences and also very subjective to me to justify a change but good enough to justify a new first time purchase.

[@Back2TheBike]

Agreed Jerry. There aren't man differences but I wanted to work it out for myself and our subscribers. Also, I hadn't seen anyone else on YT do a direct comparison. 'm delighted with '16 plate LE, so the '19 is by definition a superior machine, but probably not the step change that might make someone like myself spend (say £8K) t upgrade.

[@ientwistle1]

Bikes with wet clutches will always clunk

[@Back2TheBike]

hondabiker1960 I didn't know that!

[@seaflyfisher]

See me - Lad !

[@Back2TheBike]

Who? Me?

[@christinecopus3004]

It’s Joe ,using my wife’s ipad

[@Back2TheBike]

Christine Copus Time you got your own ID Joe. I still appreciate the 10 though ;-)

[@krachenford9594]

I want to buy one . . . my wife told me.😂😂😂

[@Back2TheBike]

she's right. I reckon it's got the most comfortable back seat on 2 wheels!

[@krachenford9594]

@@Back2TheBike I never thought, she was that clever . . .😂😂😂😂😂

[@derekrhightower4743]

Tyson fury has a KZbin channel!

[@fensn6172]

Only Fools who miss the 2 second rules

[@reddog8145]

I believe the 1200 is actually more economic on fuel

[@Back2TheBike]

Hi Mark - what's your basis for this out of interest? Should have mentioned I get mid 50's from mine but I don't tend to ride hard.

[@christinecopus3004]

10

[@Back2TheBike]

Christine Copus Ha! The drinks are on me Christine ;-)

[@robsteal3887]

Got too dizzy trying to watch this video.

[@Supernaut2000]

Save your money and ride worry free, buy a nice used Goldwing.

[@Back2TheBike]

Ha! Different machine though, or does it do everything an RT does?

[@brucemibus9523]

Not something that I can consider wise in Australia. GW are too heavy to pick up in a servo. Dropped my K1100LT with full luggage and still got it up. Aus you might have an hour before the next travellers come to help.

[@michaelbayliss1794]

I find it funny how I hear so many comments about BMW costing so much . Go price a fully dressed Harley , or Goldwing. There going to be about the same as a K 1600 GT/ GTL . I have friend who has close to $40,000 into his Harley , and my K1600 GT could do circles around his bike . I only spent around $ 25,000 . It sounds like a lot of money , but compare apples to apples .

[@brucemibus9523]

@@michaelbayliss1794 Had my K1100 since 1999,was S/H with 8000km on it at $8000 below original cost. Now has 274,000 on it and has now had it's second real repair. First clutch at 185000 now starter motor at 273000. Pretty good value in my world as Yam tourers will not make the distance with the little work this has. Next a K1600 for me.

[@Back2TheBike]

@@michaelbayliss1794 Hi Michael. That's a great point and when you add in the residual value the BMW is not such a problem. Thanks for your comment.

[@davesunderland1026]

Lol, so they are called bends lol