2020 Cadillac CT4 Test Results; Cadillac Lyriq First Look | Talking Cars with Consumer Reports

[@maryannkarlvalois7597]

Jennifer, Mike, and Gabe: Thank you so much for answering my question about leaving a car behind in a garage for months! You guys are the BEST!!!!

[@bill7481]

Maryann & Karl Valois You guys get two thumbs up for being a Mazda family!

[@joewilder]

GM always seems to get handling right

[@lcarliner]

Joe Wilder, this is one of the truly great achievements that John Delorian pushed through when he was the head of the Chevrolet Division!

[@normt430]

All GM vehicles today handle really well.

[@AnalogueKid2112]

Correction: A GM spokesperson said the Lyriq would start under $60k

[@sjwang40]

Cadillac is screwing up so badly by not putting Super Cruise on all of their cars. It's been around 3 years since the CT6 with Super Cruise came out and it's still not available on their other cars. Classic GM move

[@normt430]

Unlike Tesla Autopilot who has killed people, GM's motto going forward is zero crashes.

[@normt430]

The Cadillac Lyric will start un $60K, not $80K. That is less than a Genesis GV80!

[@lcarliner]

What is needed for EV to be able to replace gasoline fueled products is a move to a family of quick exchangeable power packs compatible with respect in terms of physical and electrical connectivity. This would open up the market for drivers and families living in high density multi family dwelling communities where installation of home charging hookups are not possible. It would eliminate range anxiety and open up usability for long distance interstate travel for manufacturing and sales representative. It would greatly reduce the threat of power grid electrical overloading as regional battery charging depots would be located near generating and renewal power harvesting stations. Also, the legions of tank wagon trucking networks with its inherent empty backhauls would be replaced by power pack transport 18 wheelers. It would also provide a measure of protection from technological obsolescence as breakthroughs in power storage densities are achieved.

[@directorjustin]

How does the CT4 and CT5 compare to the Model 3?

[@67tomcat]

I notice Gabe has a copy of the FC "RX-7" book by Jack Yamaguchi at R & T on his bookshelf. Great publication from 1986.

[@TheUsflow]

What about the CT4 with the bigger engine? And with Super Cruise?

[@MrKikoboy]

Jen always sounds like she just came off a 3 day bender , was woke up and and someone said " you're on...in 3,2 1 ...go "

[@richards1816]

I wouldn't have put it that way, but yes, dry throat vocal cords to the max. Not the most appealing audio tone. But I respect her knowledge and opinions.

[@dylanmountain5357]

Do we not know this car competes with the A Class, 2 Series, A3? Not the C Class, 3 Series and A4? The CT5 competes with the later....

[@IamGroot786]

For the fella storing his cars for months at his garages, I'd also recommend jacking it up and putting up on jack stands to prevent flat spots on the tires.

[@timdsd]

How long would it take to charge long range vehicles like the 400-mile Rivian at home?

[@TealSide]

I'd take the Telluride over the CX-9.

[@bill7481]

HisManifest I agree with you. I have an affinity for Mazda vehicles, but I would definitely take the Telluride over the CX9.

[@richh7608]

Agree. Still has a V6 compared to the CX-9s 4 cylinder turbo and the Kia warranty is far superior.

[@richards1816]

Viewer said she didnt like its twin, the Palisade though... to each his own :-)

[@shannonnicholson2870]

But is it better than the Cadillac ATS which it replaces?

[@CMCNestT]

GM Pres of North America Steve Carlisle said Cadillac Lyriq will start under $60k.

[@bahamatodd]

GM does not have a skateboard platform. It's a battery system that they will be using in unibody (Lyriq) and body on frame (Hummer) vehicles.

[@besselfunctions]

General Motors North America president Steve Carlisle has said the Lyriq will start under $60,000 per Automotive News. "This car will need to be priced similar to how the industry prices midsize lux SUVs today, maybe a slight premium at the outset. It's a price that won't be high five digits. It won't start with a seven and it won't start with a six."

[@mess0965]

Is the CT4 a sidrat? Smaller on the inside than it looks on the outside.

[@IamGroot786]

That Lyriq still 3 years away? It's crazy how late Cadillac is to the EV game!

[@normt430]

Waiting for battery tech to make it feasible. Plus as a legacy auto company they need to wind down moat of thier ICE manufacturing infrastructure starting next decade. GM has a battery factory in Michigan and is building another in Ohio. Name another ICE manufacturer that is this far ahead in thr ICE yo EV revolution.?

[@dtay8913]

God i hope GM can turn around this decade like the Korean brands and Volvo

[@rightlanehog3151]

Don't hold your breath.

[@enoughofthis]

Why?

[@millefune]

Korea has a much less entitled workforce. Volvo has a ton of customer loyalty, and a good reputation. GM can't compete. They have to raise their prices to what people are unwilling to pay if they want to match quality and still not miatreat their employees. Americans are not willing to pay extra for the quality of life of the factory workers.

[@normt430]

@@rightlanehog3151 GM has had record sales through 2019.

[@normt430]

@@millefune Yeah, what survey does Volvo finish high on for quality?

[@Sublimer79]

I believe Marvel Mystery Oil can be used as a fuel stabilizer. Which, I recommend in general to use when not using top Tier gas. Feel free to fact check me marvel has a great website you can ask them questions and look at the frequently asked questions. I don't like the thickness of Lucas fuel additive. Its messier. And gets even thicker in cold. Mystery Oil is stable thickness wise.

[@ninetwenty]

Great show Thanks

[@NewCastleIndiana]

You talked me into it. I signed up for a monthly donation to Talking Cars

[@Buc_Stops_Here]

I like the engines in the Cadillac. You get good power and gas mileage. It is a little loud, but I can live with that. What I cannot live with is the lack of reliability in the Cadillac division. The lower level GM divisions they have the quality worked out for the most part (Buick, GMC, Cadillac) but with Cadillac is a crapshoot with all the technology they have in them.

[@g-mang-man7924]

Holly, as a long time Toyota and Lexus owner, Highlander is the obvious choice. Also at that price point, keep an eye on the Lexus RX350 also. #1) is always reliability, #2) Toyota Safety Sense, and always with any Toyota product, #3) is resale value. And that said, for long trips, we absolutely adore our Highlander Limited. While it is not an on ramp hugger, the road comfort, seat comfort and quietness are hard to beat (perhaps by the RX350. ) I work on automobiles for a living, and I don't like to have to work on my own cars after work, that is why we are a confirmed Toyota family

[@normt430]

Most newer vehicles today are maintence free well after warranty today. Older TMC products were ahead of their class a few decades ago but that is not the case today. Have you seen Toyota recalls feom last decade?

[@radudeATL]

I can’t find a single angle of the Cadillaq Lyriq that I like (or liq)...

[@davidm5707]

The Lyric isn't bad, at least it's got a grille. But I don't care for the 25" wheels.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Holly, Don't be 'twisted'. You very sensibly keep your cars for a long time so get yourself a highly rational Highlander Hybrid. The CX-9 will burn twice as much gas as the Highlander.

[@panzer_TZ]

The Highlander Hybrid is also costly, especially considering the CX-9 in Grand Touring trim(all the features of the Signature minus the fancier materials). A Platinum Hybrid hits $50,000; A GT CX-9 is $43,000) According to CR’s own data the CX-9 has had Toyota level reliability. The CX-9 is also matured while the Highlander is in its first model year.(even Toyota isn’t perfect with first model years) Overall, it’s just going to depend on what Holly values.

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@panzer_TZ XLE trim level would be more than sufficient on the Highlander. Choosing a family car that burns nearly twice as much gas is not a rational choice in 2020.

[@kevinbarry71]

Every time that lady speaks I am reminded of a patronizing elementary school teacher

[@MNJason78]

So they tested a smaller car, but then complained about the smaller interior? It's not a full size car....... And of course they always have to divert to talking up foreign makes......

[@normt430]

Try sit straight in the back seat of an Audi A3!

[@jeffreysegal2065]

On the last question, how about the Toyota RAV4? Sounds like it would fit the bill and I'd like to see you guys recommend hybrids even to people who didn't specifically inquire about them. Furthermore, if you choose the CX9 don't be surprised to see yourself everywhere. Everyone seems to be driving them.

[@richh7608]

The vehicles referenced in the question are all midsize SUVs. The RAV4 is a compact SUV and you'd see at least 10x the RAV4 everywhere compared to the CX-9.

[@TokyoOlympics2020]

Caddy vs g70?

[@mess0965]

Cadillac is a brand. G70 is a model in a brand. Please clarify.

[@nickolastiguan]

Please just have Jen host most of the shows, and Keith Barry can just contribute occasionally.

[@10tenman10]

Correct me if I mistaken but no-one is actually making a profit from electric cars.

[@db4z09]

Tesla probably does on their $60k+ model 3s and Ys. Their minimalist interiors and poor quality control are ways to reduce cost. Even if their batteries cost 25k, the rest of the car doesn't cost more than 30k to make. However, other automakers don't have enough volume to make money on EVs yet and it will be a long time before a decent $30k ev will be profitable for anyone as batteries will always cost a lot more than a gas tank.

[@mess0965]

Energy providers.

[@normt430]

@@db4z09 Tesla makes money selling EV credits, not cars.

[@10tenman10]

This may be a crazy thought but if the engine is loud and coarse maybe it will have problems as it ages.

[@normt430]

Yeah, that is crazy!

[@markborkowski797]

I am a subscriber and would be happy to answer your surveys, but every tome one is sent to me, you ask how many kilometres are on my car and what my litres/100k are. Wrong spellings for the US. I live in North Carolina, not in Canada. I have replied several times to the people who send the survey, but I still get automated reminders with the wrong units. This is VERY sloppy for a consumer advocate organization. I may not renew my subscription when it is due next May.

[@kevinbarry71]

I do not understand why anybody is talking about those Cadillacs; they don't exist yet. Who knows if they ever will; and if so what they will actually look like or will be like. Except, since they are a GM product, they will not be very good

[@normt430]

GM has a battery factory in Michigan and is building another in Ohio to underpin all of their EV future cars in North America. Can't out the buggy in front of the horse...

[@dagbruck]

Regarding non-standard AEB. Why not simply stop testing cars that force you to pay extra for fundamental safety features? Especially as it has a negative impact on the safety of everybody else on the road

[@rickyho2140]

Cadillac is digging their own grave. Especially in China without a long wheelbase version sedan with proper rear legroom.

[@bahamatodd]

The CT6 is the same length as a BMW 7 series.

[@normt430]

The Cadillac CT6 was 2nd in sales behind the S-class.

[@PaulHo]

Are they just defining compact luxury cars now? We know it's their smallest model, not a Maybach. Go figure that it's tight inside.

[@markborkowski797]

Gabe needs to learn how to pronounce Porsche.

[@10tenman10]

Nice looking Cadilacs. Too bad they're made by GM (I won't look at them).

[@Sublimer79]

If I was to get an unreliable car. It would be in the used market bec they are so cheap. Could still make out. Even with repairs. And Id also add all synthetic fluids and baby the shit out of it. I actually upgraded my 05 civic with Royal Purple Synthetic Transmission fluid In 2015 the fluid still looks brand new. Its an automatic.

[@bahamatodd]

I have a friend that grew up in Korea and lives in the US that told me she would never buy a Hyundai or Kia. Interesting how people hold these forever grudges.

[@normt430]

The GM stuff is very good in almost every segment and with about $10,000 off MSRP how can you go wrong?

[@sdo7875]

I hate all these giant coupe shaped crossovers/SUVs. Just make it a wagon

[@nikhilgoria1]

CT4 has the same Silverado engine. Go figure if it makes noise.. dang it’s a truck engine 😄😁😆

[@yiyangcheng]

Same for F150 right lmao

[@nicholassmith7048]

You can get the even louder 2.7L truck engine from the Silverado in the CT4 but the model they tested had the 2.0L engine, which is still loud and unrefined.

[@sopwithsnoopy8779]

The CT4-V does, not the regular CT4

[@peter8142]

Cadillac has really gone down the gutter. Their interiors have really shown awful design and quality caused by the penny-pinchers at GM. Cadillac should steal interior designers from Lincoln and MB.

[@bahamatodd]

Did you see the Lyriq's interior? There is a photo out there of a production intent interior. It's almost identical to the concept.

[@normt430]

Have you seen Platinum version of XTS, CT6, or Escalade?

[@Supernaut2000]

Definitely not going to see a Cadillac Pandemiq.