This is the type of review that should be done on every new car.
@CoolTies3 жыл бұрын
7:28 - He starts reviewing the mechanics of the car from a mechanic's perspective.
@EDubiton4 жыл бұрын
For me, the appeal behind the diesel is I want to run larger tires. Currently on my 07 JKU, I'm getting a combined 13 mpg on 35 inch tires. I have every intention of purchasing a Gladiator Diesel when they become available and I would like to run something in the range of 37 to 40 inch tires. The extra torque and fuel efficiency will definitely be noticeable and a much welcome change from what I have now. Midlife crisis is in full swing here, don't judge.
@erikkovacs30974 жыл бұрын
When TFL truck did their 66mile highway loop at 70mph they got 31.5mpg from a stock diesel wrangler. With 40's you'll probably get 20mpg if you regear the axles.
@jlo77704 жыл бұрын
I have a ram eco diesel that I run on 35s... I get 17mpg highway. It's not gutless but it's nothing like my Cummins were. If you want better power/ fuel economy you're going to have to regear it. Im sure it has more power then that garbage gas motor they have in them now but.. if you run bigger tires expect mpg and power to drastically drop(my buddy had same year stock ram and was getting over 10mpg more) I really wanted a jeep gladiator diesel but now... I don't think so. You should also take into consideration like the tdi diesel motors that eco diesel takes a specific type of motor oil not just 5w-40 full synthetic. These eco diesel motors had a ton of motors that had the bottom end let go, they found out later it was because of their specified oil. They later changed it. I had mine in at a dealership because at 6k miles it went into limp mode and wouldn't go over 5mph. They told me (this being small Sheridan Wyoming) they were currently replacing a motor and it was the 3rd or 4th that they had replaced that year and it was June. With a new "revamped" ecodiesel I'd be highly cautious with buying a first year or even within the first couple years. The first eco diesel was absolutely trash. Oh I should also mention the transmission.. my truck running that 8 speed with 35s... at 70mph it won't go into the highest gear it jumps around 6,7,8. It constantly is changing gears messing with the fuel economy, and no that's on flat farm land, going up hills I understand but just flat highway, cruise set it is constantly changing gears. My guess is the motor is slightly revamped mainly because jeep has that 30?" Water fording and they had to relocate a bunch of stuff to make the ecodiesel work to keep that number. That's the honest truth about the ecodiesel I hope this helps, trust me I love dodge and jeep I wanted that ecodiesel to be something special and it let me down. I know this is long but what he said was right but there's a lot more to these motors then finally a better motor for a jeep.
@jlo77704 жыл бұрын
@@erikkovacs3097 17mpg on 35s out of my ram. My buddy was getting 35mpg highway speeds out of his ecodiesel. Regearing you'll be lucky to get 20, very lucky on 40s.
@Wrangzilla4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I wish I'd have gotten a 2020 diesel, but I wanted a Rubicon and that was just out of my budget for the both together. I did however, manage to get a Rubi with about 55k on the sticker for 48k out the door with all fees, taxes.
@nickshowsstuff4354 жыл бұрын
05 Toyota Tundra on 35s I get terrible mpg but I knew what I was getting myself into though so I accept it.
@whatchis11204 жыл бұрын
I love the negative comments about the ecodiesel being junk when they've never owned one. My 2015 Ram 1500 got 80k miles 60k in the last 2 years no issues, only maintenance and annoying recalls. I work at CDJR store 2 other co workers have around the same mileage on theirs and it the same for them. Do not buy the diesel if you do not have a a 20+ mile one way commute or it will be a headache and do your research on how a modern diesel functions.
@juanzingarello40053 жыл бұрын
The one in the 1500 which is the same as this one in the Wrangler is an Italian VM Motori engine. VM Motori is FIATs commercial diesel engine manufacturer. These engines have been used in many commercial vehicles in Europe and have been proven engines. Personally, I'm a Cummins guy. Always been a fan of the ISB engines.
@whatchis11203 жыл бұрын
@@juanzingarello4005 You are correct it is the same vm motori. Yes they are reliable if used properly with any modern diesel, I'm at 95k now still nothing even on the original pads and rotors. You can't go wrong with a Cummins much better on the commercial side of things compared to a ford or chevy. But you still can't treat it as a grocery getter only, there complex also nowadays. But much better with passive regens.
@juanzingarello40053 жыл бұрын
@@whatchis1120 Fords Power Stroke is a co-developed engine with Navistar. Thats why their engines aren’t great. Navistars popular MaxxForce engines which is the basis of the Power Stroke were notoriously unreliable and unrefined in their operation. They sucked so bad that Navistar themselves started ditching them in favor of ISLs. When it comes to diesels, the best in the business are Cummins and Detroit Diesels. Volvos D13 get an honorable mention though they do have some issues with their regen systems.
@FrankPapadakis3 жыл бұрын
can you elaborate on the 20+ mile commute comment, or have a link to videos that discuss that more in depth? if i commute 26 miles one way to work but do less than 20 mile commutes to say the grocery store, gym, etc how does that affect the motor?
@whatchis11203 жыл бұрын
@@FrankPapadakis It can do long term harm to the engine if it doesn’t see normal operating temps 200 degrees frequently. It all how the emissions equipment works it’s annoying to say the least. But definitely research how the scr system functions. I do minor errands with mine I just take the long route to get the temps up. If it never sees highway during the week, take it out for 20-30 min on the highway or high mph backroad. The harm is low mpg and clogged dpf which causes too much back pressure on the piston rigs and causes blow by. It’s a lot to deal with so dig into the google, and drive it’s balls off especially. Good engine just needs to be used properly.
@warmeds20092 жыл бұрын
The Diesels come with a 3.73 rear end gear and 18.3 gallon fuel tank.... Hands down best motor jeep could have put in the wrangler. I installed the Pedal commander and it woke this engine up like a fine tune. 28 mpg on the highway - Everything we wanted in a jeep...
@abbyalarid68774 жыл бұрын
Team diesel! I just bought a 2020 willys with the ecodiesel. Love it. Took a road trip and drove 1500 miles, 30 miles per gallon.
@chadhaire17113 жыл бұрын
at 50 mph......bullshit
@Joe.dirt79093 жыл бұрын
Yeah.....no you didn’t
@abbyalarid68773 жыл бұрын
@@Joe.dirt7909 ok?
@chadhaire17113 жыл бұрын
@@abbyalarid6877 Stop bullshitting people..I test these for a living....at constant 65 mph best will be 25/26 mpg......the only way to get 30 mpg is to drive it down a mine shaft.....
@alang2063 жыл бұрын
How long will it take to recoup gas savings? 4k for diesel option plus more expensive maintenance. Doesn't make $ence.
@michaeldzaman59403 жыл бұрын
This guy is totally awesome - straight forward and no bullshit. I especially appreciate this as I am currently in the market for a new Rubicon diesel...
@MikeBabsBC5 ай бұрын
Would love to see an update on this to see how reliable these are.
@demonqbn273 жыл бұрын
Never seen a review like this before and I loved it. I do all the maintenance on my cars but I never have owned a diesel before. This video definitely gave me the heads up of what I just got into. Thank you soo much for your original review.
@garym94334 жыл бұрын
This is by far the best real review of the JL 3.0 Ecodiesel on KZbin. Thank you! I just subscribed and am looking forward to your future videos. This is how ALL reviews should look like.
@RustbeltMechanic4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate the support👍🏻
@jayjayanthony58834 жыл бұрын
My 2015 Ram EcoDiesel is fully capable of getting north of 30 miles per gallon on the highway. And that's doing 65. If I slow it down a bit, I can get 34 to 36 mpg on flat ground. I've I've tested this multiple times, so NEEDLESS TO SAY, I'm impressed with the 3.0.
@XavierStark3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure why people are calling BS on mpg. I've had my JL Willys Ecodiesel for 6 months now, 7600 miles later, and it's been a joy to drive. I get 28-29mpg average on long drives on the highway, and about 23-24 in the city. That's about +8-9 mpg over my old 2 door JK. Tank sizes are about the same, but my diesel easily goes another 120 miles compared to my old JK. Simple math shows 4 full tanks on the JK is about 50 miles short of what the Diesel goes in 3 full tanks. I do agree that the savings on fuel are almost completely offset by the DEF refillls, fuel filter changes every two years, and the eventual oil change costs (I get the first 2yrs free). This thing does drink DEF, I'm getting about 4250 or so miles per full tank of DEF. I've only fully refilled once and it cost me $40, though some forums say you can get it even cheaper at truck stops. As some comments have stated, modern diesels love to go long distances at highway speeds, it'll keep the engine and emissions system happy. Maintenance will always be a thing for any vehicle, gas or diesel. But similar to owning a complex German V8 or a Japanese turbo 4, buy what you can afford, and what you can afford to fix.
@XavierStark3 жыл бұрын
Upon a further search, you can find the MOPAR fuel filter for this engine for $50-60 online. Synthetic oil options are available at $50 range. The DIY cost is at about $110. Keep in mind this is every 9000-10000 miles. My old JK needed an oil change every 4000-4500 or so miles, and I payed $55 for synthetic oil and the filter. This find definitely puts you ahead in yearly cost related savings!
@XavierStark3 жыл бұрын
Last thought, many people crap on the upcharge of the diesel engine. Most Wranglers sold are auto anyway, and it's my understanding the 8-speed on the diesel is superior. So it's really a $4k upcharge in fair comparison in gas vs. diesel. Within those $4k, you're getting 3.73 gears over the standard (all diesel wranglers bring 3.73), and you're also getting a rear AND front dana 44 axle instead of just the rear which is standard on non-diesels. You got to acknowledge those improvements over gas when talking about spending $4k more.
@BeanoNoir4 жыл бұрын
Best detailed summary of why modern diesels are a heavily depreciating ( after maintenance is factored in), overly complex luxury item. Sad days.
@myriamnapolitano4934 Жыл бұрын
I have one of these... I love my EcoDiesel and pick up/torque is awesome. My auto stop doesn't work all the time, the dealer says I need to run it longer to recharge. I got 5 free oil changes through Jeep and the dealer. The diesel makes it way more fuel efficient... I have zero complaints so far.
@JP-nisu_25 ай бұрын
How was your diesel jeep doing?
@romeofoxtrot8964 ай бұрын
My 2020 ecodeisel’s stsrt stop out of no where stopped working. Soon after ( months later) after the battery 🪫 died so I installed a new vehicle battery. This fixed the problem & my automatic start stop began working again. My guess is that this is a type of safety. Idk but your cars battery might need to be changed soon Or just disconnect your battery and reconnect & see if that re sets the auto start/stop some how. Florida Jeep 44,000 miles away. I change oil every 3500 miles . Better sooner than later
@redbarron65743 жыл бұрын
I loved my 2016 Ram Ecodiesel. 27 mpg summer, 25 winter. 65,000 miles and I went to a HD truck w Cummins. I had no issues w Ecodiesel.
@Tallnerdyguy Жыл бұрын
I'm at 215k miles on my ecodiesel
@Lt_Dan1874 жыл бұрын
I HAVE A ECO DIESEL WRANGLER AND LOVE IT!!
@ScarfGirlKate4 жыл бұрын
Tell us more! What trim, Sahara? I'm ordering mine soon and am seriously considering the diesel. Have you had trouble with gas stations not having diesel? Guess it depends where you're located.
@bobbyyoung78363 жыл бұрын
@@ScarfGirlKate Did you get one????
@ScarfGirlKate3 жыл бұрын
@@bobbyyoung7836 sadly, no. I moved to a neighborhood with a strict HOA and seeing that I'm the one who parks in the driveway, was not able to move forward with my Jeep:(
@matinpichvai38133 жыл бұрын
I just got my '21 white high altitude eco diesel!!! Also loving it man, hope you're still enjoying!
@EranBair3 жыл бұрын
I have a 2021 Rubi with the diesel and love it. I have had 6 different wranglers over 28 years and this one is far superior including my 2k08 JK Rubi with every option.
@southshore743 жыл бұрын
An Italian Diesel, Whewww. I remember a couple of years back when this motor was a nightmare on the Rams, and they kept blaming the customer for putting bad Diesel Fuel in it.
@markhunley79573 жыл бұрын
You hit it on the head ! Fiat ruined the Rams and now they got their hands on Jeeps! Fiat is known for the lack of quality , that’s why they left the States in the 70’s. Fix It Again Tony (FIAT)
@bloomfieldgriller29573 жыл бұрын
Millions of this engine have been produced. Three years in a row Engine of the Year. Try to understand reality.
@brsnow225 Жыл бұрын
The diesel in the wrangler is good, gladiator is where it shines. Dealer sold the diesel gladiator earlier in the morning when I went to test drive. But they did have a shop guy who just traded in a diesel wrangler so I tried that and now I’ve got 8500 miles on my ‘22 diesel gladiator. Buying new, Jeep wave covers first 3 oil changes, I asked if it included diesel, they said yes. So that should get us to 1/3 of break in….assuming that this one holds to the rule of thumb, 100k miles is where diesel shines
@superkittybtc4 жыл бұрын
Cummins should of came in on this one
@BobBob-qw1jb3 жыл бұрын
The 5L that went in the Nissan Titans cummins made specifically for Jeep. Jeep didn’t want it for some reason.
@superkittybtc3 жыл бұрын
@@BobBob-qw1jb no way thats cool ! i did not know that
@LeoOrtega1443 жыл бұрын
Amen on that. This ecodiesel has a history of problems. This is the gen3 version though, and they say they addressed those problems, but its basically the same engine. Not sure the Italians have the expertise that Cummins has with diesels. Now that Jeep is FCA, it stands to reason they would go cheap on the diesel made in their country. And beyond all this, I think the diesel engine is doomed, all diesels. They just pollute too much for a lot of people (government types). I know California wants to ban them and as goes California, so go a lot of other states. Then pretty soon the federal government jumps in.
@TeensierPython3 жыл бұрын
@@LeoOrtega144 Italians know diesels. Many of their regular cars are diesel because of gas mileage issues and the price of fuel.
@chadhaire17113 жыл бұрын
@@BobBob-qw1jb because it was a piece of shit.
@AntonioClaudioMichael4 жыл бұрын
Very cool to see the jeeps coming with diesels
@erikkovacs30974 жыл бұрын
$92 for a cartridge filter is because only FCA makes that particular size right now. Once everyone starts making them they will drop to $6. Still a rip off on FCA's part.
4 жыл бұрын
92 bucks...CArTRIDGE DAMN lmao I thought VWs had it rough with the costs.
@K03sport4 жыл бұрын
@ ...my VW had easy to find and semi-affordable parts. The tricky part was trying to be smarter than the German engineers who designed and packaged the car. Some stuff is not easy to get to and requires removing 20 parts to get to the one you are after. But still easy enough to be a DIYer; plenty of trick parts/gadgets out there to help you...
@nickmason2794 жыл бұрын
We've had diesel Jeeps in the UK for years. Mine is a 2011 Wrangler Sahara that I've had from new. Excellent car that gets me anywhere I need to go and has been 100% reliable. Never really understood why they weren't available in the US. Mine is the 2.8 litre my lad has 2010 Grand Cherokee with the 3.0 litre V6 diesel.
@trialbyfirehomestead68104 жыл бұрын
Diesel hasn't been popular because most people in the states just want to put fuel in and drive. Also our emission laws are ridiculous.
@matthewluna7273 жыл бұрын
Do you good ole folks across the pond have your diesels come with egr/dpf system?
@nickmason2793 жыл бұрын
@@matthewluna727 Yes it does.
@matthewluna7273 жыл бұрын
@@nickmason279 nice take care!
@CarsAndCoffeeTV4 жыл бұрын
BMW charges $250 for my diesel oil change, I do it myself for $45. Its the easiest oil change because the filter is on top, and you can use an oil extractor to suck out the oil from the dipstick tube.
@mattchristiani1664Ай бұрын
Being an owner of 5 different generations of Wranglers I can with 110% confidence tell you that YES, our 2021 EcoDiesel Wrangler is worth it. Actually, I'd go as far as stating that this is the first Wrangler we have owned that is actually worth owning.
@seanfritz13554 жыл бұрын
I have a 2014 Ram Ecodiesel. The 3.0 diesel is nice. Yes oil changes and fuel filters suck. And rotilla T6 is expensive. But the secret for the do it yourself guy. Wix oil and fuel filters. K&N filters for air. And don't do what they recommended in service manual. Oil filter and oil one change then next do oil plus all of the others. Do oil and air filter one change. Then oil and fuel others. Makes oil changes around $110. And find DEF at the pump. Avoid DEF out of the 2.5 gallon jugs at $20 per jug. When you can fill it up for $17. Just some advice from a personal owner of an Ecodiesel for 72k miles. And he is right about DEF life. Find it at a truck stop or a high use station. Same for the Diesel fuel itself.
@AIDAHAR2104 жыл бұрын
Better yet, def delete
@dakotamorgan65944 жыл бұрын
@@AIDAHAR210 I'm not sure you can do that and pass inspection can you?
@AIDAHAR2104 жыл бұрын
@@dakotamorgan6594 yeah you can, if you know the right guys, or if you live in South Texas where there is no emissions
@dakotamorgan65944 жыл бұрын
@@AIDAHAR210 hmmmm... might have to put that into consideration then... the EGR and DEF is the only reason I havent wanted to get a diesel below a commercial-grade vehicle.
@mattbrew114 жыл бұрын
You can get a “Tazer” that will permanently disable stop start and enable tons fo cool features. I’ll be ordering my diesel gladiator sport next week and I can not wait. The reason for the diesel is simple to me. I love passing torque and I’ll be driving straight from the dealership to my garage where I’ll have a 5” RockKrawler brand suspension system waiting for it, one ton axles with 4.88s and ARB lockers inside and 40” tires. I’ll also be pulling a 5000lb off road trailer with it and there is no way I can make that happen with the V6, a supercharger would be more costly and eliminate the warranty and a hemi swap would cost far more than all the other mods I intend to do.
@K03sport4 жыл бұрын
...not all of us have $8k to dump in a brand new vehicle that hasn't been bought yet. The diesel Wrangler is for those that are already familiar w/diesel and own other diesel cars/trucks; have long commutes, but don't want a Prius or Tesla; have heavy loads tow but still want to get off the beaten path. Otherwise, not every one wants to deal with the stinky, oily fuel plus the other upkeep/mx that goes with it. Example, my wife would hate the diesel from just the fueling perspective despite all the other benefits.
@mattbrew114 жыл бұрын
K03sport I didn’t suggest anyone else buy it. As far as bought I ordered it for 9.5% below invoice since I sent so many referrals to the dealership so I’ll have about $1k less than MSRP invested total
@racheldempster66554 жыл бұрын
The thing that you forget when you buy a new vehicle is that the service is free for so many miles or months depending on the dealer, my service in my 2020 Rubicon free plus tire rotation is free as well
@dupton80004 жыл бұрын
What a lot of people don't know every brand new Wrangler owner gets their first 4 oil changes and tire rotations free with the Jeep Wave Program. ( something only Jeep enthusiasts know about) So now let's talk about the cost of those expensive oil changes, $ to $ in the wash still ahead go ahead and stick with your underpowered low torque gas guzzlers
@thereissomecoolstuff3 жыл бұрын
My local jeep dealer sells them with free oil changes and warranty for life. It's a good deal..
@ericbrunner54274 жыл бұрын
Awesome video bro, I always like seeing videos from actual experts rather than randoms doing a review.
@Dormantee3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I'm very happy I was served up this video on the KZbin algorithm, probably deep in the wrangler videos by now, but this has been super informative on the ecoDiesel on the wrangler. Seems like an option I don't actually need. Thanks RBM!
@HoboHiney Жыл бұрын
*Hint* I use " Motor-Power" DPF filter purge ( made in Germany) Perfect for " Mall Crawlers" who do alot of around town driving. It coats the the Soot on the DPF and allows it to burn off at a Lower Temperature. ( Available on Amazon for $14.99 + $ 5.00 shipping, even with Prime)
@deepsouthboggers4 жыл бұрын
When the hood popped I saw high labor time costs.
@toneyo47942 жыл бұрын
The recommended oil change interval is 15,000 miles. I have a 2022 Diesel Gladiator and 15,000 miles makes me feel weird but the cost per mile is the same as any other car.
@Tallnerdyguy Жыл бұрын
Do not wait for 15k miles if you want it to last. Change every 3500
@jaybou0073 жыл бұрын
I was « this close » from signing a deal for a diesel. Then I saw this video. It’ll be a good old 3,6L, then.
@lanceoa3 жыл бұрын
Still good with your choice?
@ojbarberena70909 ай бұрын
Great video. How about an update on your opinion on the eco diesel
@ryanmartinage4 жыл бұрын
Seeing this, I am reassured that the 3.6l was the right choice in my Wrangler. 40k miles now, not a peep of issues. With gearing, it spins the tires no issues.
@scottymonochrome37954 жыл бұрын
Watch out for the oil filter housing/assembly breaking. That's the only real issue with the 3.6l, and it's a costly repair.
@ryanmartinage4 жыл бұрын
@@scottymonochrome3795 Im usually pretty careful with it. No more force than necessary. So far so good.
@zachminer64783 жыл бұрын
Agree. Had a 2014 JKU with 15K in mods. Ultimately I couldn't stand the power train. Drove the 3.0L and loved it. Dealers wouldn't budge on price at 65K for a Rubicon and again I would need another 15K for my new build. That would put me at 80 GRANDE for a tuna can. I took a new Ram home that day with a 5.7L, 8 speed trans and 12" infotainment. Also, heated, and cooled seats all sorts of additional features for 48K. Jeep Wranglers are just too expensive. I miss my Rubi, but bang for my buck was the Ram all day. Great review BTW.
@CPotter9014 жыл бұрын
Awesome Video! Very informative. I would love to see you do a vehicle review on the F-150 diesel. I’m curious to see what you think of those or if you would be better off sticking with the 3.5 ecoboost.
@haroldbrown34523 жыл бұрын
for those interested in the engine only, scrub to 7:32 , the beginning is basic interior,etc.
@BennyTygohome3 жыл бұрын
Very nice overview. I like the diesel but there were allot of surprises. It's reminded me of 70s era cars during oil fuel crisis... tons of emission and vacuum hoses everywhere. It's always those little vacuum leaks that drive me nuts trying to diagnose. I don't think all wranglers come with aux switches though unless you order tow package.
@JoseRamirez-zi3ps4 жыл бұрын
Dude your content is a great had to subscribe after this video. Giving maintenance info is great
@RustbeltMechanic4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man🤘🏻
@404marc4 жыл бұрын
Jeep... Hello... put the Cummins 2.8 in it.
@henryramos3784 жыл бұрын
My co worker got the 2nd diesel Jeep in California ! I like it a lot !
@geos9093 жыл бұрын
The absolute best vehicle review/perspective on youtube 👏👏👏
@kensnyder23404 жыл бұрын
Excellent overview & reality check on cost of running a "smog" diesel for return on the dollars invested. I would guess 90K - 100K miles to break even. I had a 6.4 Liter Hemi in mine and the cost was about 62K with everything I did bumper to bumper. I did everything but the engine swap and it had a lot more power than the Eco Diesel. Mileage though was 13 - 14 city / 16 highway.
@Tallnerdyguy Жыл бұрын
I'm at 9 years of mine, with 210k miles, average of 24.7 mpg. Yes you get higher top speed, but for off reading, the low end torque is hands down better than gas guzzler
@ryannewazada21023 жыл бұрын
Gr8t information on this segment. The repair cost is insane. Get the regular 3.6L Pentastar Gas Engine.
@jameswedding96354 жыл бұрын
That def tank looks really easy to delete 🤣 I might have to buy one of these
@AntonioClaudioMichael4 жыл бұрын
Loved the gladiator review 👌 glad to see you bringing that type of video back with another review video
@TheBandit76134 жыл бұрын
I'm still going to keep my original Sahara with the 4.0. Original Sahara? Think Jurassic Park. They built that from a 92' Sahara. It has factory low gloss paint.
@jameshicks87423 жыл бұрын
I just sold mine... had 165k on it. Still going strong.
@chadhaire17113 жыл бұрын
4.0 is a shit engine
@TheBandit76133 жыл бұрын
@@chadhaire1711 Typing while high on meth again Chad?
@chadhaire17113 жыл бұрын
@@TheBandit7613 How about typing while high on FACTS? 4.0 is a dog....15/17 mpg compared to the newer V-6 at 18/22. 0-60 time so slow you could run quicker, which is what you would expect from an engine designed for a 1960's Rambler and 1970's AMC Gremlin. Top speed in a 4.0 Rubicon with 3 speed automatic is 85 mpg, and at that speed the first crosswind will flip you over. People who brag about getting 150K miles on the 4.0, big deal---the newer V-6 can do that easy as proven in the Dodge cars. I laugh when 4.0 owners bitch about the new Jeep Wrangler quality control by FIAT--the older 4.0 Jeeps were no better--in fact worse. Newer Wranglers with V-6 are better than the older ones--period. It is going to take more than low gloss paint to be better than a 2021 V-6 Wrangler. The diesel not so much.
@TheBandit76133 жыл бұрын
@@chadhaire1711 Minivan engine. Hahaha!
@markmihulka73894 жыл бұрын
You would have to own it for 10 plus years to get the advantage of greater gas mileage paid off, but you also have more expensive regular maintenance of diesel to deal with too. Is the torque advantage worth it compared to the I4 gas turbo, I don't know?
@JH-tj9jd3 жыл бұрын
Probably get half or more of the $4500 difference when selling it years later.
@Punkrockphotographer3 жыл бұрын
Best review to date I’ve have watched on the new ecodiesel
@Agislife19603 жыл бұрын
Ive always thought of the Wrangler as the two door descendent of the CJ's, now everything Im seeing has 4 doors. Also historically speaking, jeep was always a rugged bare bones 4X4 utility type vehicle and they should really offer something like that again. A good ole CJ-7 with a 30MPG diesel engine would be really appreciated right now, especially; considering where gas prices are headed for the next 8 years.
@BennyTygohome3 жыл бұрын
I think the first gen wranglers (YJ code) were the closest to the CJs. Wranglers had fully boxed frame, unlike the CJ that had U channel frame that weren't nearly as strong as wranglers. YJ also had leaf springs (wider leafs than CJs had too). And the High Output (HO) 4.0 that came out in the 90s. bought my 89 YJ new for $8999+$800 dealer installed AC, wasn't a factory option +$250 folding rear bench seat. It was a 2.5 4cyl with 4.11 ring gears and a i think 2.5:1 tcase and manual 5spd with a very low 1st gear. It did awesome on trails, super light with simple all terrain tires which i think 205-75R15 tires on 15x5.5" stamped steel. i upgraded those to 235-75R15 2nd gen wranglers (TJ) introduced coil suspension the but retained 4.0 inline six as an option. I had a fully loaded 2004TJ Rubicon new for about $30k i think. Prices are crazy now, but they keep getting better and better forv trails. Today they are way more capable trail rigs than CJ but sooo expensive now (base entry wrangler 2dr, after delivery fees is $32k). Some people won't want take them on challenging trails for fear of scratching them. LOL
@Silentroller934 жыл бұрын
An oil filter for my 2.8 duramax is $15 at the dealer and takes 6 quarts of oil. Almost $60 for me to do it with shell rotella t6 synthetic 5w40 oil.
@blackheartsmarine0351 Жыл бұрын
I’m considering getting rid of my 14 JKU with the 3.6 for a new diesel because hills kill me towing my 1500 lb boat and mpg sucks. Not sure if wrangler or gladiator is the way to go with the diesel
@JP-nisu_25 ай бұрын
Did you buy one?
@dvobgo923 жыл бұрын
15:17 That's actually the FAD (Front Axle Disconnect).
@BennyTygohome3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Sahara trim doesn't have diff lockers. Only in Rubicon.
@boydboys90844 жыл бұрын
Best to buy these used and delete all the def and emissions shit
@HateTheIRS4 жыл бұрын
But but I live in NYS and they do mandatory emissions testing.
@jayjayanthony58834 жыл бұрын
On that note, my '15 EcoDiesel's DEF system TOTALLY QUIT around 12,000 miles. It Wasn't until a week or two later that I realized the DEF system didn't just need attention from the Service Garage, it had completely quit consuming DEF. Long story short, I drove it that way for the next hundred thousand miles WITH NO LOSS of performance or fuel mileage, until the DPF clogged up and demanded service to get out of limp mode, at which time I took it to an aftermarket shop where I had DEF and DPF DELETED, along with a slight chiptune after remapping, Runs GREAT and I can achieve 30-35 mph highway.
@HateTheIRS4 жыл бұрын
JayJay Anthony I don’t understand people always talking about getting the DEF system deleted but doesn’t the government do annual emissions testing like I live in New York State so that mandatory What state do you live in
@jayjayanthony58834 жыл бұрын
@@HateTheIRS CORRECT, in the dictator-run States, they have emissions testing. Most of my home state does not. There are two or three dictator counties but most of the state is not emissions tested. Which is good for me. And the rest of us free-minded people. Move out of New York State. ASAP. Look what your Governor is doing to you. Look what your state legislature is doing to you. God bless and good luck. HINT--- move to a state that does not have emissions testing and makes it very easy for you to carry a pistol. I believe there are 14 states with constitutional carry, one of which I'm sure will very much be to your liking. PICK ONE, AND JOIN THE 10"s OF THOUSANDS OF NEW YORKERS LEAVING THE STATE. 🙂👍
@jeffriley25023 жыл бұрын
Excellent review. I had wanted one early on. Glad I didn't. Great idea. Too much government intervention. Already have had computer/ sensor issues on my 3.6. Can't imagine the extra nightmares that come with this. I ask buddy at the dealership and he said he couldn't recommend the diesel based on early problems. Thanks
@Tallnerdyguy Жыл бұрын
My mechanic wouldn't work on my jeep if it had a gas engine.
@Hellastockhmong2 жыл бұрын
Good thing I watch this video before buying one of these. Just the oil and and oil filter change pushed me away. Thanks for the video
@NA05332 жыл бұрын
I have Caynne diesel, both fuel filter and oil filter are $15 bucks. Roughly about $100 bucks in parts to do oil and fuel filter. And takes about $30 minutes to do since all access is from the top
@alang2063 жыл бұрын
Great review, thanks for including prices on parts and labor. Very useful info.
@pandemicapocalypse30514 жыл бұрын
Lol..., watching that giant mountain of a man try to get in the back seat.
@jpk06124 жыл бұрын
I am passing on the diesel. The amount of different systems you have to keep running is insane. Even if they prove to be reliable (which I highly doubt), just the cost of maintenance will astronomical I also find diesels are not so great for serious off-road. For low traction environments you just can't get enough wheelspeed. Watch even the big power cummins at king of the hammers struggle. 3.6 is not like the 4.0 for reliability, but I know it will be way better than the eco junk.
@GinEric843 жыл бұрын
They have been running then on Ram 1500s for years...
@dixy2k4 жыл бұрын
Any diesel with EGR (worse yet High pressure and low pressure EGR), DPF, DOC, SCR will have issues no matter what. Urea tanks fail on all brands of cars and trucks. CBU (carbon build up) will take place no matter what. The only way to run it reliably is illegal by doing a delete. Good luck with that.
@AIDAHAR2104 жыл бұрын
Thats why I'm keeping my 5 spd 1995 powerstroke
@Zach-uq6tp4 жыл бұрын
I delete these for people all the time. Nobody really cares. It's just for appearances. Take it to a shady emissions place in the ghetto to get new stickers. It's not my fault that the government knows nothing about vehicles and passes these laws.
@dixy2k4 жыл бұрын
@@Zach-uq6tp Outside CA and CARB state it is a viable option. I don't live in the free world though. Ask me how painful it is or it has been for the past 8 1/2 years with one of those diesels.
@sdlager224 жыл бұрын
Excellent review!! Love it from a mechanics perspective. Subbed.
@fun2drive1073 жыл бұрын
Have a 14 JGC diesel and 15 JKU Sahara 3.6. My 3.0L diesel at 95K miles has never had a problem outside the FCA recall for larger SCR, plugged EGR and AEM retuning. Yes I get 27-28 mpg and hiway if I am not ripping it 29-30 in town 24-25. My Wrangler does 18-22 at best so next Sept I will be getting the Wrangler Sahara Diesel and I do expect to hit 29 mpg on the interstate. I will get the MaxCare on this Wrangler because no doubt FCA will have some teething issues even after a year being out there. This isn't a new VM engine by the way. It has been in Europe for over 10 years but they don't have the EPA crap hanging on it. I will have the advanced option package as I use the adaptive cruise control all the time and cross path and blind spot protection are useful. Thanks for the review.
@thereissomecoolstuff3 жыл бұрын
I like your comment. Going to get a gladiator sport plus towing package. Ordering the lowest trim I can get with adaptive cruise control. I will never own a car without it.
@chadhaire17113 жыл бұрын
You will NEVER do better than 25 mpg on the interstate and anyone who says otherwise is a liar...
@chadhaire17113 жыл бұрын
@@thereissomecoolstuff ACC sucks
@thereissomecoolstuff3 жыл бұрын
@@chadhaire1711 why does ACC suck?
@chadhaire17113 жыл бұрын
@@thereissomecoolstuff It does NOT protect from front collisions, and it forces your vehicle back from the front vehicle too far allowing others to cut in front of you in that space, pushing you back to the end of the line. They are unreliable. Anyone who can't use standard cruise should not be driving.
@doc46vale4 жыл бұрын
I much rather have the Cummins 2.8 diesel crate engine in my Rubi
@Justforfun-ek7et4 жыл бұрын
motoman, is that an option?
@johnnyyu74393 жыл бұрын
Excellent review, good job, viewed it twice, help me to decide not get into a diesel. Look forward for a review on a 2001 VVT, V6 e-torque, Jeep Willy,
@bobnoblesjr.4654 жыл бұрын
Awesome build! Sure wish jeep would offer a manual transmission for it though. Great job guys! 👍
@trialbyfirehomestead68104 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I've been wanting a diesel jeep for a long time and waited for the gladiator to have the option. After seeing this I'm going to pass. I'll look for an old grand cherokee and drop the 2.8 cummins in it.
@LionOfNobility4 жыл бұрын
Hopefully you can get your hands on a new Bronco and share your thoughts :) Thanks for making the video!
@RustbeltMechanic4 жыл бұрын
I definitely will try that one!
@juancarloszamora11633 жыл бұрын
POS .. my friend have one and is crap...
@LionOfNobility3 жыл бұрын
@@juancarloszamora1163 what's crappy about it? Everyone is biased one way or the other, what are the cons and what are the pros?
@TheTurfgrassZealot2 жыл бұрын
@@juancarloszamora1163 details, please.
@bradleyjohnson30682 жыл бұрын
@@juancarloszamora1163 unless you are referring to the Bronco Sport, the Bronco wasn't out yet when you left this reply.
@oscar902102 жыл бұрын
Great review, thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience with us
@mf62073 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Excellent video and review. I'm glad you mentioned the prices. It makes it a more knowledgeable decision.
@ericaswofford42314 жыл бұрын
$240 oil change. Lol
@mattbrew114 жыл бұрын
ERIC A SWOFFORD DIY for $75
@johngaudet63164 жыл бұрын
Go to a European auto shop, definitely be cheaper.
@dupton80004 жыл бұрын
The diesel only requires oil change every 10000 that keeps you within the warranty do the math it's not that much more than your 3.6. A heck of a lot more enjoyable in your daily driving worth every penny. When you put your 37's on and are forced to re gear $$ the diesel will still be getting better gas mileage$$ more power.
@K03sport4 жыл бұрын
...I hear ya, but you can probably buy the filters in bulk and save a bit, plus 5w-40 Rotella is ~$22/4 qts (you can buy in bulk too), so maybe possible to keep your DIY changes in the $160...every 10-11 months
@SLICKW19934 жыл бұрын
My 6.7 Cummins costs $85 and I change it every 10K. Walmart sells bulk diesel oil LOL I don’t know how much the eco diesel oil filters are.
@Ben-sv9op3 жыл бұрын
I purchased a 21 Rubicon with a 3.6 V6 (simply proven and reliable). I had many diesel trucks in the past and love Diesel. I would not mess with this diesel wrangler. Now one thing if they put a Cummins in it like a 4BT then I would buy it ...
@Tallnerdyguy Жыл бұрын
And not have a driver or front seats?
@hunt_them_down34474 жыл бұрын
Wait to leather seats so when u take the top off the sets are hot asf
@adrianm.69264 жыл бұрын
Man, I really wanted one but after watching this review I think I’ll buy an old YUGO, thx. Subscribed.
@brianaustin61844 жыл бұрын
This is absolutely mind boggling.$91 for a oil filter dang near $70 for fuel filters. My f250 6.7 powerstroke oil filter......$17. Fuel filter(s).....$50. Wonder if it’s really hard on oil to need 9qts when the duramax takes 12qts and my powerstroke take 13qts..
@mattbrew114 жыл бұрын
Brian Austin you can get the oil filter for $38 if you look online and the aftermarket is currently finalizing at least two other options. Fuel filter is about $42 also
@brianaustin61844 жыл бұрын
Smarter Than You that’s a lot better! Lol I still feel it is high for what it is though.
@thereissomecoolstuff3 жыл бұрын
My mustang by takes 10 quarts quit your belly aching...
@paladin11C404 жыл бұрын
If you want torque wait for the 4xe lineup of jeeps, 470 lb-ft and 375 hp with 50 mpge, its jeeps electrified Wrangler. Just announced yesterday.
@dantrockman8793 жыл бұрын
I see Rotella T6 5w40 full synthetic Diesel engine oil online for $60/9qt. That Mopar oil filter is $60 online. Still a lot for an oil change, but not over $200. What is the interval for that engine?
@RustbeltMechanic3 жыл бұрын
Prices have dropped significantly since making this video and other aftermarket companies have started coming out with filters.
@markmihulka73894 жыл бұрын
I think they need to factory turbo the penta-star gas V-6.
@dupton80004 жыл бұрын
It's coming! 3.6 Factory Turbo will be the ultimate Wrangler. Jeep would put the Hemi under the hood but they can't get it to pass the crash test but they will put the turbo on the six and it could be put into production. I believe they will release it not long after they finally start rolling the Bronco off the factory line.
@everydayfleettech22864 жыл бұрын
Unless you’re towing often modern diesels aren’t cost effective.
@TheFlyingsquirre14 жыл бұрын
My '07 X 2Dr got 14mpg. My '20 Diesel 4Dr is getting 32mpg.. tf you talking about
@bluesteeljay93432 жыл бұрын
Oil change... #2 5w40 5qt jugs and inner filter replacement with 2 orings is about almost $100 myself. Go to napa for the filter insert.
@chrishansen55334 жыл бұрын
Great Video! I was interested in one before I saw all the sensors, I can only imagine how often the check engine light will be on.
@gtwjr663 жыл бұрын
We’ll if they are like the 20 freighliner I drive there’s always something wrong,egr,sensors going out I think I’ll pass on the diesel,not. To mention having to keep the def in it also!!
@user-eg1oc4ed6m4 ай бұрын
The maintenance on these is outrageous compared to the ICE 3.6 pentastar. $220.00 for 9 quarts of oil and a oil filter, and that is not even the labor charges. I would suspect $300 to $400 from start to finish. A hard pass for me.
@DBooty-233 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this review and breakdown of the costs. Really great video.
@Stargate9714 жыл бұрын
Dude, I just found the oil filter for these ecodiesel engines on Advance's website for $13.99 & 2 gallons of DELO 5w40 for $40... $200 my a**!
@RustbeltMechanic4 жыл бұрын
Gotta love those mopar prices.
@ramecodiesel82713 жыл бұрын
I bet the oil filter you found is for the GEN2 ecodiesel, the GEN3 oil filter comes with the composite cover. Price is way to high but right now your only source is Mopar.
@johnwalker32636 ай бұрын
Diesel gladiators are pretty cheap right now and I was on the fence. If it wasn’t for the complexity of the tier four engine it would be an easy pick. I think I’ll keep my jkur’s and keep using the trailer. Thanks for the reviews on the jeeps.
@A1techplus3 жыл бұрын
I never had a diesel before. This was very informative and educational.
@csbartonorgan833 жыл бұрын
2-door Rubicon diesel with a manual transmission would be my ideal combo 👍
@D4LM4R3 жыл бұрын
No manuals on these just yet
@chadhaire17113 жыл бұрын
Manual in a diesel with this much torque is just stupid
@alexanderrosales76753 жыл бұрын
@@chadhaire1711 How is it stupid my Peterbilt has way more torque and its a manual.
@Colonel1Bravo Жыл бұрын
@@chadhaire1711 ?
@chadhaire1711 Жыл бұрын
@@alexanderrosales7675 with 16 gears? LOL
@racheldempster66554 жыл бұрын
Well I have plenty of headroom and legroom in my 2020 Rubicon 2 dr and I am 6 ft 1 and it is comfortable for me plus I do a lot off roading as well and long drives I have the v6 no problem whatever
@dupton80004 жыл бұрын
Yes the Headroom did increase from the JK, a non Wrangler enthusiastic would not know that
@dupton80004 жыл бұрын
First of all all Wranglers equipped with the EcoDiesel come standard with 373 gears even the Ruby not the 345 slique quoted standard Dana 44s front and back standard an upgraded 8-speed automatic transmission not the same found on the 3.6. The only model that has locking diff is the Ruby you stated locking diff on the Sahara that is not accurate. Overall very informative thank you so much not being a Wrangler Enthusiast I didn't expect you to know. Also the EcoDiesel does come in a sport that's what I currently own and it is more affordable it starts off at 43000 you could go right to 35 so 37th without regearing and still getting 23 miles per gallon combined. As you've already seen with great pick up and go couldn't be happier with the power. Climbing Hills grades going into a headwind with my 35 doesn't phase this EcoDiesel Beast. Itself pays for every penny of the extra maintenance costs I know I will be forced to pay but I'll gladly do so for my every daily enjoyment everything the Wranglers lacked is EcoDiesel shines.
@privas87514 жыл бұрын
Hey there! Great information! I am currently getting my Jeep Ecodiesel soon, and with the Jeep Wave program you gets 4 oil changes with tire rotation free! Just thought I’d pass that on. I had it on my old ‘18 Rubicon. The dealership I bought mine at also offers a lifetime warranty at no additional charge! ( I figured I’d go out of my way to buy one from this particular dealership because of the ED). Anyway, thank you for this!
@RustbeltMechanic4 жыл бұрын
That’s a very good deal for those participating dealers!
@privas87514 жыл бұрын
Rustbelt Mechanic yes and trust me, I know dealerships that screw people over too. Thanks for the video again!
@J.Young8084 жыл бұрын
What is that dealership? I might want to pick up an Ecodiesel in the future and that lifetime warranty is attractive.
@mattbrew114 жыл бұрын
Please post the dealership
@matthewbrowder26254 жыл бұрын
No wonder Toyota said they aren't doing a Diesel in the Tacoma right now. Can't blame them. 99% a show off piece. If you tried to do anything with this rig and it broke, you'd be screwed. Not only did I just see a fantastic review, but a very realist approach to a car review.
@jerkyturkey0074 жыл бұрын
That things got more bullshit than a radio, that engine with all those sensors and electronics where everything has to work perfectly or it drives you to the dealer and locks you out until you get it serviced... no thanks. I'd like to see a partnership between Tesla and jeep, that would be interesting. The new battery technologies that are coming soon will revolutionize offroad RV's.
@SPNKr024 жыл бұрын
Every vehicle has this, even Tesla's, between emissions and safety this is all forced onto all vehicles, tesla just has to deal with avoiding batteries exploding (like the galaxy 7s) instead of emissions. Every vehicle has a ton of computers in them since 2010
@shortlawrence3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honesty! Loved the pros and cons!
@juanzingarello40053 жыл бұрын
There is only one thing that annoys me about the EcoDiesel. You can't pair it with the manual. But then I feel like I am asking for too much so I will just be happy the diesel finally made its way into the Wrangler after years of waiting.
@Tallnerdyguy Жыл бұрын
They took it away for 2023
@emjai64014 жыл бұрын
Can you do a 2020 Dodge Durango RT review? Best reviewer so far! 👍🏽
@RustbeltMechanic4 жыл бұрын
I can throw that into the list👍🏻
@emjai64014 жыл бұрын
Rustbelt Mechanic cant wait because im deciding durango rt or 2020 Jeep Wrangler willys edition. Thanks
@jayba4345 Жыл бұрын
Ask a Ford owner how the stop/start function helps with starter life. Probably the same here.
@silverstake883 жыл бұрын
"The 3 liter diesel doesn't weigh a whole lot more than what the 3.6 liter did before...." The heck it doesn't!! Jeep had to come up with a different spring set up to accommodate the 400 pounds of additional weight.
@erikbrown82893 жыл бұрын
I just got a LT1 dropped into my jk with a 8speed I don’t get 28mpg but it’s better then the stock motor But ok 40s 1 tons and lift it still moves like hell
@lh83723 жыл бұрын
Awesome review!!! Please keep it up. When the Gen 6 Toyota 4Runner comes out can you do a review on it?
@RustbeltMechanic3 жыл бұрын
I’ll sure try
@milkywey5114 жыл бұрын
Yup I see myself getting one 10 years from now. Aha.aha.