2021 Honda Forza 350 Vs Yamaha Xmax 300 -Handling And Cornering -Episode 10.

[@6fiddy309]

🤣😂🤣.. Really dude.. You were going wide on a sweeper like that..😳.. You'd never make it in the USA..

[@ridewithwarro]

well i guess that's why i'm riding in the land down under...where we ride our bikes to the tune of thunder! lol now let's see i've got to ride the high powered scoots plus do the commentary on the fly and get camera angle too. which is not an easy task all at the same time too - plus look out for kangaroo's or grey jumpers and the deadly brown snakes laying about sunning themselves on the road. there not whimps either like you have in the good old usa. these guys if caught up in your bike and land one on you- well they will lay you out permanently all withn 20 minutes. plus the turtles. heaps about about during the mating season also the drop bears. your worried about a silly sweeper you should be saying man your the perfect allrounder-if i come to Oz - i want to RIDEWITHWARRO...LOL many ask but very few do....

[@6fiddy309]

@@ridewithwarro No hate sir.. Just an observation.. Americans think the world of our Australian brothers.. Especially the motorcycle lovers..🍺🤠👍

[@ridewithwarro]

@@6fiddy309 all good -just playing about. actually i just purchased a watch from the good old USA last night. only drama is the 3 to 4 week delivery time. but hopefully better late than not at all

[@ridewithwarro]

​@@christga100 well this time its not a rolex...lol had enough of those. i thought i'd try the hamilton panda chrono with reverse dial and stainless steel band. ordered from the usa yesterday as i can't track one down here so not sure how long it will take to get it. some-time next month i believe

[@ridewithwarro]

@@6fiddy309 all good there just fooling about. cheers

[@gerrygirard3877]

Really like the format of this video, makes comparing the scooters much easier.

[@ridewithwarro]

thanks i think its the right move. that way one can take a look at both unit within minutes running the same road and same conditions

[@aaronsmith3281]

Thanks fullah. I've watched a bunch of videos and they give stats. But you've given real world riding comparisons in similar conditions to my own country.

[@ridewithwarro]

not only that i sold both those scooters and a month later thought it over and went back and bought the new model here with blue wheels. actually turned out to be a pretty expense conclusion for me

[@peter7624]

That ties up with reports I've heard of front suspension being a bit on the stiff side. Great video, thanks.

[@ridewithwarro]

honda for power and brakes and xmax for better ride

[@richardharmon5682]

I would have expected the Yamaha to handle a little better than the Honda just because Yamaha, as a company generally, tends to be design their motorcycles to be more sporty than does Honda. Also, don't forget that tire pressure can make a difference in both riding comfort and handling.

[@ridewithwarro]

true and like you i know that from past ride experiences...lol so far just running stock presure on both bikes.

[@findingneutral]

Great riding comparison for these two bikes. Perfect area to do these handling runs.

[@ridewithwarro]

true nice and close to hme to do a nice quick easy back to back run

[@archninjaa7507]

That Forza is really nice. Sounds like it can get up and go .

[@ridewithwarro]

i ran it once to 150 kph and got to that speed pretty easy. much faster than the xmax 300

[@Andrew.D-S]

Great review- this is actually something one can base a decision from! What they're actually like to ride! It's not just about specs. Very Useful! Cheers!

[@ridewithwarro]

thanks. it was a pretty lomh and lengthy review but i covered a fair bit so glad you enjoyed it

[@Andrew.D-S]

@@ridewithwarro thanks Warro.... I have no doubt the Xmax is better that the Forza (although a good bike, honda aren't going to do a bad one, if anyone does these days)... Anyhoo....wondered your opinion... Seems the ADV350 is even better again???

[@ridewithwarro]

@@Andrew.D-S not sure on the adv 350..might be or might not. i had the new adv150 and it was that bad to ride suspension wise its the only bike i didn't do a review on. in fact i wouldnt even ride the bucking bronco...lol put 200 klm from new on it and sold it fast. again ive owned 65 new motorcycles over past 10 years and adv150 would rate near the worst of the lot...lol now i had the pck160 and it was pretty good really. ran at 100 kph on flat ground too. nice little scoot! its in my history some-where

[@Andrew.D-S]

@@ridewithwarro Thanks for your thoughts Warro. I have an XSR 700 that I keep in showroom condition which is a lot of effort here in dank UK apart from the three months summer which I now intend to use for- and looking for a good practical maxi scooter for rest of time for mini tours and any excuse I don't have to use the boring car. The Forza is 5800 quid here in the UK, that's not good value especially when the adv (obviously a better built bike, proper suspension) is at the same price, I think they're keeping it down to increase the popularity which Maxi's aren't in the UK unlike the rest of Europe. (Attitude about not a "proper bike" I think!). And the X-max tech Max is 6700 quid but last year's model with a few miles on clock can be had for around 5000 quid. The pcx is a superb little scooter but there "only" 125 here in UK because of stupid laws/attitude. Which would be fine for small roads only but I'd like around 300/400 for optimum performance/cost. Anyway , that's where I'm coming from so just thought I'd explain as thanks to you reply. So thank you again. Andy

[@ridewithwarro]

@@Andrew.D-S the only two things i thought the forza had over the xmax was power delivery and better brakes. but i was extremely hard on both bikes during my test runs and both had hot smelly brakes after i finished those hard stops. and belive me thewy were hard stops...lol i was testing then not treating them gently plus i owned both so could do what i wanted..lol under normal riding the xmax brakes are ok and will get you out of trouble. power wise the forza wins but i order a performance roller kit for my 2023 xmax not fitted yet and i think it will come close to the forza when-ever i get around to fitting it screen on both are rubbish power screen or otherwise....lol its only a gimmick to lure buyers in

[@ruahinesrider]

Xmax probably be better suited if lived in a area with rough roads as if you lived in the city the Honda be better & a strong runner to at 110kmh speed limit in Aus on motorway.If out of city as Xmax be more suited to a smaller rural town where a all rounder is what you want for rough driveways & roads with pot holes.

[@ridewithwarro]

not a bad way at all you put it together...lol

[@ruahinesrider]

@@ridewithwarro I think I would go for the Xmax but only because I live in the country with rough roads especially just down the road where logging trucks have ripped it open hard out & they patch it every day or every second day a truck or 3 goes over it & it's 🤬 again, double mohawks 15"deep pot holes Honda wouldn't handle it,also country driveways can be pretty knarley too. If I lived in the city definitely the Honda the bigger engine will be better on motorways where 110kmh speed limit to get from suburb to suburb.

[@canadian1512]

Can you do the same test with the 2023 models so we know if anything has changed?

[@ridewithwarro]

lol i wasted $20k on this two bike ride for very poor results so not liable to happen. plus if you had subbed you know i already bought the 2023 model

[@marvfear1385]

Nicely done Warro. Hey .. I notice you've done a number of comparisons using the Forzer 350 as one machine. Lucky you didn't compare my new Forza 350 Honda top box with a Yamaha one. Was around $500 I expected it to happily connect with the mounting bracket .. and with the grab rails on the bike itself. When I studied the installation diagrams (needed downloading as a Pdf) and got to step 4 .. (mounting bracket to connect with inside of bike grab rails) I found there was no ready horizontal threaded holes (or unthreaded) in my grab rails to accommodate this ?! Honda bike, Honda accessory, bought new both, and incompatible despite double checking part numbers with dealer today. Rang the dealer, sent photos and install diagrams. He'll call Honda (somewhere) and get back to me tomorrow he said. Install diagram for my model clearly showed holes that were not there on my bike rails. Great huh? Sit on my hands .. waiting. Maybe they'll supply a drill with a fat bit. And a threader. haha. Will keep you posted on the outcome. Cheers. Merv Perth WA

[@ridewithwarro]

never thought about top boxes on any of the bikes but i have thought about better rear shocks on the forza 350. ive found on bad roads they are very undesirable in the ride quality. thinking of buying a pair of yss rears to help improve the ride experience

[@marvfear]

@@ridewithwarro i have the yss gas shocks .. is better but needs knowledge to adjust them for best ride quality too. I haven’t done that yet. The top box supplied to me didn’t include 2 carrier rails in mounting kit..(grab rails) Honda remiss in supply line somewhere. My dealer is following up why they’re awol (missing on delivery)

[@ridewithwarro]

@@marvfear thats the problem when one buys stuff..either too many parts or not enough parts. did you get the piggy back rear shocks in the yss and so far do you think they are better than the stock units

[@marvfear1385]

@@ridewithwarro Piggy back gas thing yes. They are better than the standard but still not optimum for me. I’ll get some expert advice on them later from a suspension place here in Perth. They know more than me..

[@fwfefrtefdv4719]

Do you find Forza 350 handle bar tit to the right? Right side higher, left side lower? Anyway to solve this issue? Thanks

[@ridewithwarro]

sold it

[@norsehall309]

G'day, great review on the two scooter, ride on both looked bumpy, you did indicate some of the roads were average, compared to a Motorcycle was the ride worse or better, both machine impressed me with there performance and style l couldn't chose one over the other, cheers,mate, Neil 🤠.

[@ridewithwarro]

Thanks 👍 its a pretty hard call here on stock suspension ether bike or scooter. i actually think the crf300l would run it better than the lot. only thought about it tonight. i might run it out over that mumpy section and find out as its pretty well a soft rier in stock form

[@jamessamson8778]

Who is the winner here bro? Xmax or forza? But in the Philippines, they don't release the forza here, only xmax😅

[@ridewithwarro]

xmax is the better scooter

[@ChrischrosBelgium]

I need help. I keep changing my mind between the two models. The most important is feeling safe on the bike during cornering (i once slipped with a maxsym 400 and ever since i feel scared during cornering), feeling as little as possible the bumps. Both bikes are fast enough so that is not a criteria for me. And build quality is important too. I read somewhere that the Honda seems cheap on the parts that can open. All advice is welcome.

[@ridewithwarro]

build quality is excellent on the yamaha and so too is the suspension. it nicely put together. performance wise goes to the honda especially on the pickup and braking side

[@ChrischrosBelgium]

@@ridewithwarro I finally went with the Kymco ak550. Second hand, 6000 km, from 2021 . A beast, and very comfortable.

[@ridewithwarro]

@@ChrischrosBelgium almost bought one of those myself. i think i was quoted $13k ride away -good price but the dealer was a 200 klm round trip so i went local

[@ABeTorAiTiTo]

Nice comparison 👍, if you can only choose one what would it be and why? Keep safe🙏

[@ridewithwarro]

honda has the power and braking and xmax has great finish and better suspension. id go xmax

[@markosimic8040]

@@ridewithwarro A bas mi honda djeluje kvalitetnije sto se tice plastika,prekidača ovako laički gledano

[@saistark6899]

Great video! I'm considering buying one after getting my learners and believe the Yamaha would be a better option than the honda for a beginner. What would you say?

[@ridewithwarro]

xmax is a good choice. i now have the 2023 model. dont rule out the much cheaper nmax 155-its a great starter bike too

[@saistark6899]

@@ridewithwarro cheers Warro, I browsed through a few 125-150cc scoots as well but main concern with them is inability to maintain highway speeds as well as 300cc scooters can. Not that I would do mainly highway riding but would feel more comfortable knowing I can maintain highway speeds comfortably. Also the nmax fuel tank is only 7.1L, $6.1k ride away price, whereas xmax 300 is about 13L tank although it costs $10k in Sydney.

[@ridewithwarro]

@@saistark6899 fair enough. when do you plan to buy this scooter or are you just saving the funds

[@saistark6899]

@@ridewithwarro I should get my learners over the next month, then I can visit bike shops to test ride different scooters so I'd say I'd buy it possibly closer to year end? Would it be worth waiting till next year for the new model to come out? Also am considering financing like half of the purchase but I don't mind paying upfront if that works out to be better.

[@ridewithwarro]

@@saistark6899 just thought i'd ask you. if you were ready to buy now i'd given you a good deal on my 2023 model xmax 300 with just 700 klm on the clock and has the digital dash and gps. plan to sell it shortly. im thinking of buying the new vespa gts and they are $14,000

[@yayoi1]

Where's your conclusion video for Forza vs Xmax?

[@ridewithwarro]

xmax300 for handling and build quality or honda for outright power and braking

[@yayoi1]

@@ridewithwarro Where's the build quality worse on the Honda? I had an Africa Twin DCT that suffered from a variety of issues. In the 2 years I owned it the DCT, fuel pump, headlight switch and idle control valve broke, but the worse was a chronic stalling issue that Honda couldn't fix. My Yamaha Super Tenere has been flawless.

[@ridewithwarro]

@@yayoi1 id say yes it was as i had a rattle issue in the plastics right from first day. on the other hand it has a pretty good powerful motor so thats a plus. let down by pretty poor suspension.

[@yayoi1]

​@@ridewithwarro Yeah, I'm in Japan and read a lot of complaints about the suspension, and the aftermarket only offers lowdown suspension. That electric windshield sure is nice though. Wish Yamaha would offer it on the Xmax.

[@ridewithwarro]

@@yayoi1 i thought it didn't work any better than the stock on the yamaha and no rattle

[@nathansoutbackfishing]

Awesome job legend

[@ridewithwarro]

thanks man and appreciated!

[@nathansoutbackfishing]

@@ridewithwarro all good

[@BikingChap]

The more I watch video on these two, the more it sounds like the Honda front end is overly firm, bordering on harsh at slow speeds and in rougher roads. Sad to see though that the Yamaha now comes with a cheap lcd dash.

[@ridewithwarro]

yeah the forza 350 has it over the yamaha in power and braking but not so on the ride quality. plus i think if the rollers were changed in the xmax it would get pretty close to the honda performace too

[@BikingChap]

@@ridewithwarro perfect, many thanks for the info, much appreciated. :)

[@NoeticCosmos]

The Honda sounds better, and looks better at speed. I'd go with the Honda.

[@ridewithwarro]

good call there

[@davidlynas7768]

Interesting

[@ridewithwarro]

either bike or scoot runs along prettywell at road speed depending upon road conditions

[@pauls8456]

Warro did you try either with a pillion?

[@ridewithwarro]

never got the chance to try but my thoughts would be either scooter would run along at 100 kph quite easy with a pillion on board

[@BikerChris1965]

these are not curves, this is nothing, - go mountains, like the Dolomiti in Europe or the North of Thailand, than you can compare !

[@ridewithwarro]

well you beat this- and its only 5 minutes away from that road. here in OZ i can ride any terrain i like within 15 minutes kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIPcgnZ-atuBfc0

[@problemslayer3538]

Did you find the hondas engine smoother

[@ridewithwarro]

honda engine may be a tad smoother and more powerful too. plus had better brakes too. but that aside the xmax 300 is by far the better riding bike and thats why i sold this bought a 022 model sold it and now have what i think is the best of the lot. 2023 xmax 300 with digital dash and gps included. bike in my history. plus if i want to give it a bit more go i ordered a set of lighter rollers which i might fit later