2021 Vital MX 250 Shootout

[@seanpotter4943]

When 250f bikes came out first 2003/2004 some were far far better then others then slowly but surely they started catching up with eachother. Performance reliability etc... Literally just pick a color these days . It's a great thing really

[@richr161]

Besides the Honda, they're really hitting the physical limit of what a 250f can do on pump gas. Now it depends more on the tune and setup you want from the bike. I still think the Japanese edge out the Ktm group for reliability. I've found Honda and Yamaha to generally last if you want to go the distance with these machines.

[@seanpotter4943]

@@richr161 yes I agree 💯 regarding the pinnacle off power now they have reached. Reliability . I wouldn't agree I mean I don't think the gap is as big as you say. It's about maintenance . Simple as

[@michaeltrower6792]

They are all great bikes it's mostly personal preference

[@jonbob3497]

yes i like honda

[@beeemmdoubleu-n05]

@@jonbob3497 me too I like all dirtbike Brands

[@wyatt3896]

Except for Suzuki 😂 jk jk

[@the-bt6lc]

Even Suzuki. All the money you save compared to other bikes can be used to make it better.

[@garrettparker8223]

@@the-bt6lc I personally don’t like the Suzuki four strokes but their old 2 strokes are killer

[@ChuckChrome]

Great test as usual and nice that it is recognized that none of these bikes are going to hold a rider back. Amazing how good bikes are these days. As an old guy approaching 50 I can remember the days where there used to be bikes that genuinely stunk. Now pick your color and have fun. My KTM 150 is like a works bike compared to anything I was running back then and more fun to ride as well.

[@sonyahowison4128]

Where was Suzuki. Everyone knows the bike hasn't changed but should still be included. And Gas Gas as well it's a new generation bike

[@jolocke0454]

Yes Suzuki should be in there as well. But the were to late.

[@jomo914]

Not everyone looks at the description

[@jomo914]

And @74 CYCLES he asked about gas gas the description does not explain that and not everyone one looks. You don’t have to be a d bag and if he’s watching this he probably rides and isn’t lazy. People can’t ask questions and if he’s wasting time then don’t read the comments or don’t watch the video.

[@smeig5116]

Suzuki isn’t in the country yet and their aren’t too many gasgas yet either, so all the industry figured that suzuki finished the last few years so they’d just leave it out and that ktm and husky would represent gasgas.

[@HendyHauler]

no point in gas gas lol then there's 3 ktms in the lineup

[@philipwurm5121]

It’s so crazy how to get a lil bit of performance change out of your bike back in the day the minimum was changing sprockets, reed valves, exhaust system and potentially much more work. Now you hit a button on your cell phone and the bikes performs differently....... maybe it’s just me but that is insane! And quite impressive...!!

[@nickestes2229]

I’d absolutely kill to be able to say, “gotta couple long days ahead...so let’s get to the track and get to work.”🤯😳😳 Good on ya guys though. Deserved. 👍

[@jimmygritz9714]

Man U wish someone would do a woods bike shoot around

[@smeig5116]

@74 CYCLES Yes people do want that. Their is more buisness in the woods market in today’s times then mx.

[@arnoldmassey2747]

@@smeig5116 id say thats not right

[@jamesagnew3213]

Try Dirt Bike or Dirt Rider Magazines..

[@davidklimmek3192]

A what the heck you say??

[@davidklimmek3192]

@@jamesagnew3213 yea Dirt Rider is good all around .

[@landontrombley248]

It all comes down to personal preference. I’ve ridden two strokes all my life so the Honda was the best bike for me, and personally it feels very fast still. The suspension is great, and it feels very nimble. Great bike

[@dustinandandria]

Same, always rode 2 strokes. I am looking at the Honda as well....

[@aidenmiller8853]

Comment section 10% "talking about review" 90% "Suzuki who?"

[@levincantwell3722]

Shoutout to you guys, you make my life way easier find out more on the bikes with pros!!

[@markmagness3693]

They should start doing shootouts on east coast tracks too and see how they handle softer, deeper, perhaps rougher tracks...

[@arnoldmassey2747]

Yea I agree tracks are way more gnarly here

[@alexsandoval2651]

You haven’t felt rough until you go down mount St.Helen on race day at glen helen trust

[@arnoldmassey2747]

Alex Sandoval not at all east coast tracks are even worse than that all the time

[@frankiec5570]

@@arnoldmassey2747 have you actually ridden any tracks anywhere else? If so which ones

[@SWATTracing]

Being from Scotland, I'd also like to see them in different conditions instead of those perfectly groomed hard pack tracks. I ride mainly sand (real european sand, not hard pack with loose stuff on top). And, because the weather here is sh......shockingly bad we ride A LOT of mud.

[@dasspr]

Suzuki has left the chat...

[@masonskinner2007]

Right I thought they had a new one with WiFi

[@imprettyfingcheap7575]

I have a1978 rm 250 that I'm in the middle of restoring

[@Bravetruckparts]

🤣🤣🤣

[@HECTORFARRA]

They’ll be back. Spent loads of money on their MotoGP program. Luckily they will put more money back on their motocross bikes now that they won the GP championship

[@DJDoubtIt81]

Suzuki is still the best. Kickstart for life.

[@RadioReprised]

I remember when they tested in Dirt Bike and posted LAP TIMES!.......A bike would get rave reviews and then they would see the time and it stunk! In Moto, lap times DO matter and the ''Feel'' of a Bike may be great but if it is slow around the Track is that the one to pick? Depends if you ride for fun or compete.

[@christuttle3980]

Great review guys! I’m getting a new bike this month Going with the Yamaha! Thanks guys

[@jordanwoods6906]

I just got the 2021 YZ250f. Amazing bike

[@christuttle3980]

Great choice!

[@chickentuber]

Thanks for this shootout format, very helpful. One thing- It would be nice if you listed the testers names in the vid description. But great job, guys!

[@joshguitar7206]

rode my buddy’s yz250f and his crf250r. Still would pick my rmz250 any day. turns amazing and has good power.

[@aussieendurox5262]

I agree I have 2 rmz450s and they handle like trains

[@MrLuckymimi]

Lmao I got the yz250 the rmz is trash Yamaha all fuckin day

[@jeffgoetz7919]

Lmfao

[@watchmykicksllc]

12:39 man o man... its just something about that yz blue!

[@shoefly757]

"We are going to beat around the bush and tell you pointless pros and cons that balance themselves out about each bike. Ultimately we will leave you with no answer, still wondering which bike works for you."

[@shanehorton2047]

No RMZ this year? Sad times for Suzuki. Great video, thanks. 👍

[@jolocke0454]

Yes so sad😭

[@joshinman6214]

It's not the same without a yellow bike. Yet we know it would get last.

[@gregorypatzelt6964]

Most comfortable/best handling bike always

[@yungbenis9357]

Being left out of the shootout altogether might be the motivation they need to finally improve their machine

[@leonardlong7236]

The 2021 bike isn't in the country yet. Read the description

[@bagargui]

Excellent shootout, as usual. You have the most objective opinions, impartial review. Thanks 🙏

[@philblakers775]

Thanks Vital, lots of great information to help us make a decision on which bike to buy. Great work guys.

[@davidklimmek3192]

Im between Kawi & Yamaha for my next 250. Tho KTM & Gas Gas are intriguing. Closest dealer to me has Honda/Kawi/Suzuki. Getting new bike in 2wks! - NH Ohio

[@jeremiahlewis9288]

I cannot believe you guys got Ferrandis to review the YZ!! Hahahaha

[@dali2277]

Boniface

[@danwarren5853]

K @@dali2277 look ii.g

[@danwarren5853]

K I okay intuit the 8

[@danwarren5853]

Injurious

[@oldg7847]

Fantastic Fellas.. You couldn't have given us a better format to collect and apply that data/info to ourselves.. Much Respect and Thnk U.. ✌ Old G

[@tyllerhicksmx2016]

Mike Sleeter said himself that a ktm 125 is faster than the Honda 250. Apparently those things are slow I think they might be sugar coating. But he did say everything else was amazing

[@NickW90]

I have one and my friend has the new yz250f. They aren’t that much different. Also the wide ass shrouds on the yamaha are too wide for me

[@egger2500]

well, well done - super shootout with great documentation - BIG THX

[@psracing2556]

I’ve been waiting for this!!!!

[@dimitri5166]

me too!

[@jolocke0454]

Me too😂

[@divanserfontein1566]

I am looking to buy a yz250f what do you think

[@frankfv13]

im looking start riding again on the track. how ever i am just a weekend warrior who is just having fun since i am most def not the fastest guy around... what bike would have the best karakter for me? who can help me out?

[@droptuned83]

They are all really good bikes, what kind of dealers you got locally? Pick your best dealership with good service , supply and friendly staff and buy from them whatever they sell. You'll need be happy with any of these sleds.

[@frankfv13]

@@droptuned83 ktm is my local dealer, great guys as well ...but i cant buy one since dont hve any. because of the corona delay

[@monsterkxf]

The stash is back 🤘🤘

[@Corteum]

What would be the best bang-for-buck upgrades you can get for $1400 for the 2021 Suzuki RM-Z250?

[@mattnemeth1333]

I'd say using that money to buy a better bike. Zuks are lacking

[@Corteum]

@@mattnemeth1333 Well, for an extra 1400, you can buy the KTM. But im just wondering if there's much you can get for the Zuk for 1400 that'll bring it up nera the KTM's level of perf.

[@mattnemeth1333]

@@Corteum if you're going to add aftermarket parts to the bike I wouldn't get a suzuki. Just doesn't make a ton of sense to me since you're trying to save money. It's a good fun bike but I'd just ride it stock everything because you'll spend more than $1400 trying to get the bike on par with something a little better than if you had spent the money up front. You really can't go too wrong these days because they're all good bikes. But if you get a suzuki you should probably just keep it stock or just get a different bike.

[@mudstick2509]

Bummed you didn't test all!

[@PBYZB]

I like how the Suzuki wasn’t included that bike has been unchanged for years!

[@johnspeirs525]

I’m 5ft 6 70kgs would any theses bikes suit my size or would they be too big ??? Any advice would be appreciated

[@SWATTracing]

250f fits the common man. You'll be grand

[@dirkvanrooij5779]

Can you please do Tm Racing in it next time?

[@user-bk2df4pf5c]

Damn crazy how Suzuki ain’t even on the shootout for 2021😢

[@mclovin9234]

we know what place it would’ve gotten🤣

[@tyllerhicksmx2016]

Lol not even sad bro

[@joey-ace142]

Well suzuki is always last in everything. The bike isnt even out. We have basic info about it and whats new in the bike. But like last year suzuki came last out of the box so why wait

[@jolocke0454]

Yes really sad

[@dirtnpower6808]

Yes it is sad

[@berniebockjunior1960]

If dude on the left mentions he’s a “smaller guy” one more time

[@cjhudson419]

My buddies have the new kawi and honda. Imo the Honda feels good and connected. Lacks in power. The kawi is much more powerful but maybe lacks in feel compared to Honda. Both good bikes. Ide pick the kawi. I personally ride a 250 sx smoker so I feel I am unbiased. My bike is better than both lol

[@justinwells6795]

With air forks, could you put nitrogen instead of air since nitrogen’s pressure doesn’t fluctuate with temperature?

[@paulmarshall8774]

Yes you can but with air you can change the pressure with a std pump. I don’t notice much change with air temp too busy jetting my Tc250

[@amxclan8569]

which one was first i’m confused

[@abercrombiemoto2772]

ktm sxf250 or crf250r? im getting one of them but cant choose, so im gonna let yall pick for me

[@MXKID34]

Choose reliability always, HONDA!

[@thomasramirez3372]

Honda all the way

[@250slidin3]

Honda

[@kulasnikov3875]

Easy...pick the one who makes F1 engine.

[@mike_r4150]

Sad days! no Suzuki

[@jolocke0454]

😭

[@snowrider4495]

I like pick a color!

[@jolocke0454]

Was waiting for this one👍🏻🔥

[@beeemmdoubleu-n05]

Clean KTM 🧡

[@Παντελήςγουαη]

hello guys can you help me? i have an rmz250 2010 and i want a new bike from this 3 which is better and reliable, crf 2017, rmz 2018, or ktm 2014? I want it for amateur use

[@rasmushjort4221]

Were is The suzuki?????

[@smeig5116]

Suzuki isn’t in the country yet and their aren’t too many gasgas yet either, so all the industry figured that suzuki finished the last few years so they’d just leave it out and that ktm and husky would represent gasgas.

[@cleanmachineautodetailing]

can't figure out which to buy between the kawi and the yamaha. both at local dealers, the kawi is 6899 and the yamaha is 8199.

[@SWATTracing]

For the price difference, I'd go Kawi. If they were closer in price I'd go for the Yam. Here in Scotland, KXF is £7499, and YZF £7699, so I went for the Yamaha

[@starvingmargret0]

Kx

[@cleanmachineautodetailing]

@@starvingmargret0 explain your answer please

[@silly-xd8uq]

Did u get one

[@cleanmachineautodetailing]

@@silly-xd8uq I did. I got a used 2020 yz250f. Love it.

[@josecaldeira434]

What this Suzuki rmz 250????????

[@BCPOWRIDER420]

thanks for the insight bros..

[@tommorgan88]

Where is suzuki at this year surely they can get another years sales out of that 2006 technology they run

[@leonardlong7236]

Not in the US yet. Read the description. Thats why it isn't in the shootout

[@cheetah694]

Suzuki is in the 6th place.

[@alexandrsirotin51]

GASGAS?

[@luckyyang2002]

Yamaha go go . I picked the right bike for me yz250F

[@beeemmdoubleu-n05]

1st Place Rank!

[@beeemmdoubleu-n05]

@John Kramer The YZ250F Is a nice looking bike I remember back in 2001 This bike came out.

[@beeemmdoubleu-n05]

@John Kramer Ricky Carmichael went back to Kawasaki after 20 years

[@beeemmdoubleu-n05]

@John Kramer oh Nice this year the KX450 Ranked 1st.

[@beeemmdoubleu-n05]

@John Kramer 👍

[@tyllerhicksmx2016]

I love how everybody has mint tech 10 boots on and this guy in the far right has the crustiest white boots I’ve seen in a while ( maybe tech 1 or 8)

[@dasnicenoob6140]

Nah one has deus tech 7s

[@Husasmith]

@@dasnicenoob6140 they look like Tech8s and they last for ever!

[@dasnicenoob6140]

@@Husasmith no they are definitely tech 7s they don’t make dues tech 8s

[@Husasmith]

Das Nice Noob maybe I’m mixing them up🤷‍♂️ long time since I’d that model sticking with tech6s now them tech10s are like bricks zero feel in them!

[@tyllerhicksmx2016]

@@dasnicenoob6140 there is tech 8 I believe they are for enduro

[@mathewsmatana6553]

Is Husqvarna good fit for taller guys also ? I am 6,4 and i like the new Husky a lot. By the way great video 👍🏻

[@romangeorge4401]

All the same size

[@mathewsmatana6553]

@@romangeorge4401 yeah but the Husky is set lower than the others

[@romangeorge4401]

@@EarthSurferUSA do you think in the next 5-10 years the seat height of a full size dirt bike will increase .5 to 1in or more?

[@brennanwitt]

Should I get a Kx250 or a crf250 r ?

[@starvingmargret0]

Kx

[@dirt.bike.dylan.]

No gasgas??

[@ja51onpip]

Be 3 ktms in the list then lol

[@dirt.bike.dylan.]

@@ja51onpip ya well those commie bikes rip

[@maxdad05]

id say John short is proving Suzuki is a viable weapon.

[@JH-ni6uu]

Excuse me where is susuki ?

[@cruisesimonson4848]

Please do a 125 2 stroke shoot out.

[@DJDoubtIt81]

Suzuki is still the best. Kickstart for life.

[@rachaelgray5861]

When i get my honda crf250r i hope they fixed horse power

[@cloudsandcorrado]

I’m confused who won????

[@droptuned83]

If you didn't watch the whole vid , they said the Yamaha was #1 , but all bike are really good. It's more down to what you are like as a rider and what your local shop is like.

[@ian.thompson]

Yo read the description, Suzuki has a 2021 RMZ250 but it was not in the United States at the time they made the video! Either way it probably still would have been last because its the same as last years and last year it was last... Not hating on the Suzuki, I would gladly ride any one of these bikes!

[@kylehartley9137]

where's the Suzuki?

[@brandonfoley8070]

Wheres the Suzuki??

[@smeig5116]

Suzuki isn’t in the country yet and their aren’t too many gasgas yet either, so all the industry figured that suzuki finished the last few years so they’d just leave it out and that ktm and husky would represent gasgas.

[@owenmiddlecamp6984]

Do you think I could ride a 250 four stroke I’m 6’1 and 210lbs

[@SWATTracing]

Aye, nae bother. I'm about the same build and have no problems

[@robkeller8008]

Yes you can..im 204 lbs, A level and the Honda slightly modded works just fine

[@starvingmargret0]

You're good send it I'm 5'7

[@silly-xd8uq]

ello people should i get rmz250 or crf

[@dylancampos5783]

Love the Yamaha

[@JohnHowerton137]

With everything soooo good these days, it comes down to ease of basic maintenance. The Austrian bikes stand far apart from the others in that category for me. Every time I put a wrench to a Japanese bike I just feel frustrated by corner cutting or over-engineering. The components feel a little more China as well. The new Kawi had my interest peaked. They'd probably get my money if I was going to part from Austria.

[@sambuvca22]

Ok. You guys need to focus on the younger riders. My son is almost 15 and will come off a 2020 kx100 and jump on a 250. Kids fast, but I want him on the most comfortable bike in the motor department. Feedback on your opinion will help me make my decision. I’m leaning towards the Honda. But not sure. What do you think?

[@Koby-Burbine]

No Suzuki?

[@smeig5116]

Suzuki isn’t in the country yet and their aren’t too many gasgas yet either, so all the industry figured that suzuki finished the last few years so they’d just leave it out and that ktm and husky would represent gasgas.

[@hencetirta7633]

Suzuki stop production rmz???

[@smeig5116]

No just not released to the us yet and they finished last for the past few years so all the industry left them out for this year

[@alvinjamesbenitez2160]

Wait what there's no Suzuki?why?

[@NickW90]

Watch the video and find out why...

[@alvinjamesbenitez2160]

@@NickW90 owww okay..

[@cheetah694]

They don’t care about MX anymore.

[@al3xx684]

Wheres Suzuki?

[@user-wk9bu6xm7y]

Time for 250 2021 two stroke

[@angelabarnett4972]

Suzuki ???

[@IkeHowell]

really wish u guys woulda put the gasgas in place of the suzuki😕

[@ChaosAttractor13]

SUZUKI FOR LIFE! Smokes them all. 💪💪💪👊👊👊

[@VYXtreme]

Missing the yellow .......... already

[@andrewjuarez8211]

I’m a new rider looking for a bike. Any advice on which one of these bikes is best for a new rider ?

[@jacob2483]

I just bought a used ktm 2014 sxf and haven't ridden it much but it is a great bike. I had a 2012 kx250f fuel injected and it was also a great bike. Can't go wrong with any of them. Could always probably test ride each at deanships.

[@andrewjuarez8211]

@@jacob2483 thanks brotha I will look into that.

[@jacob2483]

@@andrewjuarez8211 yeah anytime man. Once I really ride the Ktm I’ll try to let you know if I can remember. Should be soon.

[@LukeDupin]

Honda is the most reliable if you're going to keep the bike for several years.

[@SWATTracing]

Any of these bike would be fine. They are so easy to ride, and will develop with you as a rider as you get better. Pick a colour and enjoy!

[@mdturbo764]

What happened to the Suzuki or do they only make 450s

[@boom-rl7me]

They make both

[@cheetah694]

They are done with MX.

[@LolliWANG505]

Kinda confused how last year the Honda was said to have great hp and now it's underpowered??? How much more hp are these 250's making to make the Honda to lose so badly in power lmao!?

[@jackmasterdick]

Maybe honda flattened the powerband

[@ParaMoto910]

@@jackmasterdick my buddy bought a 21 and my 2010 pulls a lot harder then it it’s a lot more softer in power other than that feels amazing

[@Max__apex]

😂😂😂😂🙌🏽

[@NickW90]

@@jackmasterdick it’s the exact same bike as 20.

[@davidpingree9254]

@@jared6163 This explains why Yamaha got 4th in the 450 shootout ... SMH

[@AOL0321]

Yeah, no Suzuki?

[@ConnerBonner1]

GasGas?

[@smeig5116]

Wasn’t many in the country yet at the time, same with Suzuki

[@dillondonnelly3937]

Am I the only one that noticed that the Honda was a 2020 not a 2021

[@FredvSIII]

It’s a 2021, the new style is only out for the 450s right now. The 250s will be updated in 2022.

[@quadcityracing]

Ping hates green….clear back to his banger days

[@lifewithabe312]

Why is Suzuki not here

[@rider4725]

when did valteri bottas started doing motocross reviews??

[@jpirex]

Do a KTM group 250 shoutout (just ktm gas gas and husky) !!!

[@Ghost-ix8fx]

Why no suzuki ummm ,maybe if you guys read the description you would know

[@Tacomaguy458]

To the guys talking about brands and what beats what, until you hit the level of being the top 1% or so of racers, you are not even riding the bike to its fullest potential. Other than creature comforts and brand loyalty, the bikes really don't perform much different if setup correctly at an amateur level. I am a die hard Suzuki guy and wanted nothing more than to buy a new 2021 RMZ250 but they cant seem to get their shit together so I bought a Honda as they are readily available, sexy and electric start.

[@kevinmoser8055]

No one can ride them to full potential

[@josephelefante9617]

i’m either going with husky, yami, or Honda

[@colerimes2677]

Imagine not putting Suzuki in this video

[@joshguitar7206]

@@Tv-nv7st no they really don’t. everybody i know has never had a problem with their suzuki (including me) i’ve had my 14 rmz250 for a year and have beat the shit out of it. Regular oil changes and air filter and they’re all good bikes.

[@Neopaintballofficial]

Still no yellow...

[@paulwood7798]

Do you know in all the years I have been aware of these shootouts it's never influenced what we have bought. Everyone we know agrees it's all about personal preferance the demeanor of the rider everyone throws aftermarket kit on them like pipes suspension bars etc and certainly here in my local race scene more and more people are buying older 2 strokes and totally rebuilding them and racing them. KTM probably out numbers ownership of those with new bikes by about ten to one. Just wish the industry was more open with the people who support it as well.

[@tariscomber861]

Where’s suziki

[@smeig5116]

Suzuki isn’t in the country yet and their aren’t too many gasgas yet either, so all the industry figured that suzuki finished the last few years so they’d just leave it out and that ktm and husky would represent gasgas.

[@dirtsender1789]

Honda should’ve been the best funnest bike to ride

[@PokeyCottons]

So at the end, they said you pretty much can't go wrong and it just comes down to knowing what each bike excels at and then comparing that with your preference. Since the Suzuki isn't in the video, would I be wrong for buying one to save $500? Is it that much worse? Edit: I just read the description & see that it WOULD'VE been there if the 2021 model was available. *ALLEGEDLY!* So now I think for a casual trackday ride & hare scrambler who just wants a reliable bike, it could be worth $500 to just get the tried and true kickstart kooter. More research required.

[@dani28MSc]

Ping in FlyRacing...? wooow...