2021 VW ID3 62 kWh degradation test after 2 years/48k km

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[@moestrei]

There needs to be a standardised algorithm across all manufacturers for SOH to keep the guessing and gambling out when buying a 2nd hand EV.

[@matthewhuszarik4173]

I have a Power Wall that is down to 75% of original capacity in three years. It doesn’t look like it is going to maintain the warranty 70% in ten years.

[@danielroden9424]

what are the daily in outs? how often do you go 100->0 %?

[@theslothonabike]

Harry said you're the man.

[@aidenzoray3716]

"ID. Software - John Carmack is turning in is bed now." 😆

[@DentfreeEurope]

Thank You very much for all your efforts to study all that You did, and inform us as well !! Very Much appreciated !

[@hwanju94]

I think you should tested degradations at same temp. Batteries at chill don't make kWh as same as when it is optimal temp.

[@kovadam69]

exactly, especially MEB BMS software is adjusting max energy content according to battery and outdoor temp... Mine fluctuates multiple kWh based on battery temp and outdoor temp. I was reading in late mid november, and I had 71600Wh max energy content on the battery. Next weekend I drowe 200+km on highway (130kmh) and also did a short DC fast charge, then I had max energy content more than 72600Wh (I don't remember the exact value, but it was around this, or bigger). So simply heating up a battery a bit, gave me back 1kWh of capacity. And even in summer I usually go over 73000Wh...

[@4EV-ER]

Yeah some newer cars seem to do this, while some older ones may show a more fixed number. In the end you may "gain some capacity back" when it gets warmer again and I suspect it is the case with this ID3 too.

[@BikeOnRoadLondon]

Exactly. And also relying on car scanner to show accurate charge data isn’t the correct way. Should be comparing charge put into the car at the same SoC between new and used to ascertain degradation without using complicated discharge and charge cycle analysis.

[@Tomaskom]

@@kovadam69 He started with the battery heated well, so that should be fine, starting with it fully loaded. The problem might be pulling out energy at the bottom when it got cold again...

[@patrickcrombez150]

Had an 77kwh id3 that i sold After 2 years/25k km with 66kwh available at 100%. less confidence with meb cars, back to Toyota Prius 5 Phev for the moment! 😮

[@TheNewcastlePilot]

Always enjoy watching your degradation and 1000km challenge videos. Good to see there are cars less efficient than my Mazda MX-30 with it's small 30kWh battery, but, I like the interior of my car so there is that.

[@frankbrune3101]

Thank you for going trough scary situations like this and sharing the experience so others dont have to

[@Scrap-press]

Chris from battery life experienced similar degradation.

[@ricvergeer]

I think that by heating the outside in the garage, you heated the sensors more then the hole batterypack.

[@apekatt2007]

Did you even listen in to the video?

[@Tresla]

The battery pack has a hole in it?

[@SwordfishEV]

My ID.3 still has 89% remaining capacity after exactly 100k km 3 years. I hope that things will go down more slowly now because the first 10% loss usually comes quickly.👍

[@MegaMaskedrider]

how do you read out

[@SwordfishEV]

@@MegaMaskedrider VW did a test at exactly 100k km with their tool but I've already done it at 90k with AVILOO.

[@tonyb3629]

Once the battery rot starts, that's it. Think about when you want to sell it on too - will anyone want it when the battery is degrading?

[@Stiversen1]

Vw warrenty for their electric car batteries. 78 % v. 3 Years or 60.000 km. 74 % v. 5 years or 100.000 km. 70 % v. 8 years or 160.000 km Looks like your batteri i well within the limit.

[@mymiphone1841]

Meanwhile my Renault Zoe still 97% after 5 years

[@maartenfikse6293]

There's 1 update at the dealer that enables OTA, this update also includes battery cell testing which needs to be done at the dealer for seemingly safety reasons. After that a lot of updates are OTA.

[@venelerinov]

Hey Bjorn, I like your videos, but I think you should do some research for ID.3s. Most of them have battery and software recall from years 2020 and 2021 due to defective battery module that self discharges. The fact that your test car is still running on v2.3 means that it hasn't gone to VW dealership recently. Maybe you should test another id that has had the faulty module replaced for more accurate picture. Do your own research and check if the ID that you tested is affected by the battery recall compaign. I am pretty sure it is, but just because it was lease car or rental, it never got to the workshop, because it takes couple of days, if not weeks to repair. :)

[@Nelsonrgpereira]

Two notes about the software: 1- There are OTA updates but some(including the last one to 3.2) have to be installed at dealer because some cars had modules that wouldn't update, just to be safe they decided all should go to dealer, incluiding those that already had software 3.0 for instance(OTA). This 3.2 also makes the heating of the battery more consistent and this is the one that boosts charging for 130kW. 2- Only factory installed software is on 3.7, all other ones are like that one or at best at 3.2, this is the most recent software if you don't buy a new car. 2-

[@Taakeheim]

There's still no denying that VW promised OTA updates every 12 weeks about 3 years ago, and we have had what, 2 proper OTA updates so far? (Only one if you didn't get selected in the voluntary 3.0 OTA)

[@norfolkngood8960]

Ota updates except they screwed that up so it doesn't work, GENIUS

[@TomClaessens]

I received mine in Oct 2023, and it's currently on 3.5. So that means I have to get to the dealership as well to get 3.7? Interesting that you mention the charging for the 3.2 update, as I've been down to ~20% (lowest) and even on a charger capable of 130kW it only gets up to 42 (max) and avg. is around 30-35 I think.

[@Nelsonrgpereira]

​@@TomClaessenssupposedly all cars with 3.2 and up now will always get OTA updates when available. As for charge there are multiple factors that can impact the charging speed, but that doesn't change the fact the car can charge to up to XX kWh.

[@orbetobe]

LOL why on earth would i have to drive to the dealer for a software update in 2023? Dinosaurs ...

[@haugstadianer]

Salting the roads lowers the "slippery" temperature of the road by 5-10 degrees, one of the downsides of the salting the roads.

[@jrherita]

Lol @ John Carmack reference - good shit Bjorn!

[@mnorma12]

Totally agree that it’s late to the game, but my 2021 ID4 just had its first OTA. Here’s hoping!

[@topdownsheba]

What scanner do you use? P.S. Love your videos

[@850bimmer]

Thanks Bjørn. I'm looking at my Enyaq RS with CarScanner as well, it only charges to approx. 69.000Wh after 1 year/12.000km. I think it charged to 71.500Wh when new, maybe you have that number in your test spreadsheet, to me that is about 3,5% degradation in a very short time.

[@MrTeq333]

Im one of very few owners of 2021 ID4 1st with the smallest, 52 kWh battery. After 52000 km car scanner reports 47 kWh remaining capacity, which is roughly what I experience on trips. I also have the ancient 2.3 software with all the bugs included.

[@tomasthonell5445]

You havent experienced the 1.6 software in the id.3... THAT was buggy! :-)

[@hanslundstrom245]

I have the same MEB car the lightweight edition with the net 52kwh cap, today after 30.000km it holds 44.6kwh..I only charging slow .most time to 80% thats it..software 3.2 .max charge speed 65kw.. aver.43kwh. model 2022.

[@MrTeq333]

are you sure the battery is warm enough when charging? I recently made a 1200 km trip and I could charge at over 100 kW every time the battery was at 10-20% and 25C@@hanslundstrom245

[@m.h.9244]

Hello björn. I was once licensing to a podcast with Aviloo and they toled in this podcast That the i3 has a very big buffer which is allowed to use when the car gets older so this might be the reason for low degradation.

[@bjornnyland]

I saw 129 Ah on a new 120 Ah car.

[@philipk89]

That John Carmack comment 😂 Björn classy as always

[@TheJonazas]

I've been watching model 3 highland videos, and then looked at this video afterwards. This car looks 10 years old compared to the model 3.

[@bastianm5478]

What exactly do you mean? A 2019 model 3 compared to a 2024 model 3 also feels like ancient tech.

[@keijopulkkinen146]

Very informative

[@nakfan]

The Return of The Red Turtle - proper cold, proper ninja 🥷

[@eirik500]

Could you please do a cold weather charging of ID.4 or Enyaq? And discuss with VAG why they not yet have released manual preheating while making it for the 2024 models?

[@marcohillenga5068]

Yes, please do a test!

[@folkoyt]

Thank you Börn! ID.3 is now out of my focus! Is it the same with the ID.4/.5?

[@spikeydave7368]

Great video - got a like for the John Carmack reference 👍

[@Ultravore]

how is this car still on ID Software 2.3? someone should bring it to the dealer for update. ID Software 3.x is so much better

[@usefulrandom1855]

No OTA updates on these?

[@decimal1815]

Interesting to have a brief glimpse of Norwegian life at the recycling centre :)

[@marcelbeaucamp9330]

Hey Björn, could you do a winter ID.3 test with the recently updated ID.3 and the newest software?

[@KaiGoEnergy22]

You have to be careful about the battery capacity. VW states 58kWh net capacity. However, this includes the emergency reserve below 0% to reach the charger for hard core drivers. From 0-100% it is supposed to have 54kWh. German ADAC made this clear in a 100.000km test last year. They also had this mismatch and clarified it in communication with VW. About the i3, this is a special case as I found out in a video of Carmaniac and Aviloo. The i3 has a quite large buffer which BMW enables step by step. The tested i3 with (I think) 160.000km still had 100% SoH which is of course unreasonable. The Aviloo guy explained this by the buffer reserve that BMW decreases with increasing degradation.

[@Airbag888]

Curious if you could do a degradation test on mg4 lfp and nmc batteries

[@sybaseguru]

My 4 yr old - 2nd UK shipment M3 SR+ gets parity (1 mile range = 1 mile actual) at 55mph with heated seats at 0 deg C. I've been down to less than 10 miles 4 times.

[@879cc]

Interesting would be the question if there is a great variation. Maybe this one was often and for long time charged up to 100%?

[@stefanvanvuuren3931]

Remember that BMW "hides" degradation by eating into the top and bottom buffer. So it might seem like less degradation but the usabile energy is just slowly released over time from the buffers. In my opinion this is very smart, but it depends on how you see it.

[@Rampage1979]

I believe Toyota is using the same idea with the Bz4x hiding 40 miles below 0% . After people complained the Bz4x didn't have enough range they released between 10 to 20 miles from the buffer . It means they still have 20ish miles left in the buffer. That's why Toyota guarantees 90% battery after 10years which is impressive.

[@mkmproductions9257]

I checked the capacity on my Cupra Born 58kWh with Car Scanner when it was new and the average capacity based on SOC Display and kWh for every 10% from 100% to 10% was then 56,55kWh. So even when it was new it did not have 58kWh! When checking again 6 months later the average value was 52,69kWh, a degradation of 6,8%! I will check again after 12 months to see if the degradation slows down.

[@hanslundstrom245]

Normally when new 55kwh.. This called BatteryGate

[@hanslundstrom245]

This is normal.

[@KaiGoEnergy22]

The 55kWh are due to the way VW defines the net capacity german ADAC clarified that last year. 0-100% is only around 54kWh. The other 4kWh of tje 58kWh net capacity are emergency reserve below 0% which allows you to reach the next charger in case you mess something up in your route planning 😉. You can see this also in CarScanner: is has a value for maximum energy content which is around 58kWh. But the the battery energy content parameter is always 54/55kWh at 100% SoC or if you divide the value by your current SoC. If you do the Aviloo Test (99€) and probably the easiest and most reliable test out there, they actually only give 54kWh (0-100%) capacity for the new battery .

[@tryingtobehelpful]

I find it more effective to exercise the brakes at speed on a road with no vehicles behind you by shifting into neutral to bypass regen brake blending. Also, turn off OPD beforehand of course. Then, you are free to pulse the brakes to exercise and burn off any rust.

[@moestrei]

9 year old Tesla S 85P+ with 380.000km and only 13% degradation. 2/3 DC charging but stay always in 20% - 80% window and drive always in Chill mode.

[@Elaba_]

How many km did you drive it or did you buy it new? Can you list the expensive parts that got replaced?

[@moestrei]

@@Elaba_ It is a 85P+ signature which I bought (cheap, no one wanted it because of mileage) 5 years ago with 240000km and 2nd DU. Upgraded to MCU2. From 300000 to 350000 I replaced all 4 front control arms. 360000 the 12V battery. Upgraded HID lights from 25W to 35W. Did most of the work myself. Nothing else, super reliable, long lasting and cheap to run (on free SuC and excess solar at home). I know a number of other owners, same stories.

[@maxfuchs3387]

What is the software called you use in the left phone? With the green interface. And which dongle do you combine with it?

[@leos7471]

Seems like some bad cells, maybe worth updating to latest software then checking the battery. The only maneuvering possible triggers when some cells hit the lower threshold, which maybe some cells with resistance hit

[@lagmonster7789]

Just wondering: Is the 'Degr/cycles' column in the table supposed to be an estimated loss at 1000 charge cycles? Or is it just off by 3 orders of magnitude by mistake? 🤔

[@Tomaskom]

I would ignore that. Most cars degrade by some 5% in the first year or so. Then it's quite slow. Some brands choose to bite off a buffer and hide the typical initial degradation (Kia, Hyundai do that). As an example, I bought my e-208 second hand at 2y and 6000 km. Had 94.8% SoH. Extrapolating from that would tell me that at 25k km I would have 22% degradation. I'm now at 25k and it rose by just 0.5%, not the 16% the prediction would tell me 😉 So 94.3% health. That's a very nice slow degradation pace IMO.

[@petyapyatochkin9630]

Would be nice to see Cell voltage min an max at bottom end. At 3.8% dash avg cell voltage is 3.46, which is quite high.

[@christophbrehm3997]

Björn we also had -10 degrees at night on 6.12.23 near Nuremberg/Bayreuth. A German newspaper has once again taken over your Kona Disaster to create a mood

[@kovaxzolika]

Its still better! We, used car buyers can buy cheaper EVs😅

[@MichaelDoran23]

Car Scanner question - Any one know the equivalent to HV Battery energy content on the 2023 Niro EV? I see the kona has it too but can't seem to see it for the Niro.

[@flaviandd]

It's the same car you tested for heating a few days before ? The same that was left plugged for a week or so at 100% battery ? Wonder about degradation if they treat it like that ?

[@testi2025]

That’s quite old version :D I believe that the new battery heating stuff came on 2.4? Those old ID3 cars can be updated to 3.2. The facelift has higher version and the all important battery pre-heating.

[@joseflor5186]

hi are you using Scan My Tesla on this car? And something I have been meaning to ask. Are you only doing tests on EV and not self recharging Hybrids, Thank you for all your work. Best wishes

[@Andreas77N]

What's the name of the app? Car scanner? My Id4 have about 175 000km on the odometer. Winter range suck, i can feel the degradation this winter. 😅

[@michaostrowski3372]

Can we have Model 3 LFP 60kWh degradation test?

[@maxprilmuller9461]

If you pressurise water it’s boiling and freezing points rise. That’s why Skates work on ice: you actually slide on a small film of water. It’s ice that melts while your skate is atop of it, and re-freezes immediately once the pressure of the skate blade is gone. Maybe the same thing can happen to snow in freezing conditions?

[@Colgateras]

Can you do a deg test with the mini cooper electric?

[@jan-henningberge9050]

It dosent show present inn driving screen since its not uptated to 3.1 og higher and the New batterycare is not too inn the meny .

[@ValMartinIreland]

How will it be at 8 years old?

[@AnoopSinghRanhotra]

I tried to find old videos for explanations of the chart, expecially cycle and degradation/cycle. Can someone please explain or post of a link

[@luisfernandes4145]

"Oh master Bjørn, please let me be your padwan!" 😁

[@markusmozina]

Without the software update 2.4 the cars Battery isn’t teste VW has an active campaign to check the cells. Eventually the car has a bad battery cell?

[@VxO4fame]

When is the BYD Seal coming to you?

[@PetersBful]

I test my ID4 77 differently. Twice in a year I drive the same route with almost equal weather conditions, temperature, AC settings etc. After that I calculate the estimated range with 100% charge from what the vehicle estimates: eg. 356 km est. range x 100 / SoC in %. 35600 / 71 = 501 km at 100% SoC. After the 14 months an 37,000 km the max range stays the same. Of course it is an estimation only, still depending on a lot of variables. But using the heating eats up energy a lot compared to testing with 20° C, leading to worse results.

[@o00scorpion00o]

It would be interesting to know what your car records as usable Kwh which is 73.5 new usually measured at a battery temp of around 20 Deg C. My battery tells me I have 71.5 Kwh usable after 2 years 2 months and 70,000 Kms. I have the ID.3 Tour 5, quite a rare beast and I believe it's no longer in production only the id3 58 Kwh. I did a 250 Km trip recently in typical Irish shit weather, lots of Wind and Rain and still had 30% charge this was travelling at 110-120 Km/hr most of the way with some 100-110 Km/hr stints which is much the same as what I managed a year ago around this time.

[@PetersBful]

@@o00scorpion00o Hi. I am not diving so deep into the specs. I did before and it drove me crazy. Now I’m just driving the car and checking just the basics. So boring 😉

[@o00scorpion00o]

@@PetersBful Yeah I'm pretty much the same but am interested only keeping an eye on the battery capacity as it ages but so far after 2 years 2 months and 70.000 Kms the battery is doing good.

[@nickthegriffin]

This comment is exactly why I don't want a EV if this is the kind of stuff you feel necessary to do I'm out.

[@PetersBful]

@@nickthegriffin Actually I am saying that you do not need to dig into stats. Just fill the BEV up with energy and enjoy your ride until it’s almost empty and repeat. It’s boringly simple. These tests are clearly saying: nothing to worry about.

[@MrThomas0304]

When will you be testing BMW i5?

[@axelhallen5802]

So there's no preheating with later software either?

[@plisken8799]

Good test

[@mondotv4216]

I think the i3 cheats a bit by allocating reserve battery as it degrades.

[@olaflanfermann7343]

Actual 3.2 is most acccesibla for Updates. Only new ID.3 gets 3.5 atm. For further OTA updates you need a manual update to 2.4 and a battery switch(12V). I did the Update to 2.4 in my old ID3. For one year i drive now the prefacelift with OS 3.2. Works fine for my. From version 3.0 the standard charging limit is 80%. You can manually overwrite this. But you'll get warning messages, until you stick to the list. With OS Version 3.2 the battery heating strategy changes. You'll never get a chance to ride the battery warm. Batterytemperature will be low. I still miss the manual heating option

[@o00scorpion00o]

What version ID3 had manual battery heating ? The thing that upsets me most about the id3 is having to be plugged in at 10% or less to get good charge current.

[@olaflanfermann7343]

@@o00scorpion00o None ID3 has. And i doubt, that that will happen. To be honest, even with my newer ID3 58kWh (OS3.2) i have bad charging experience every time. I spent my vacation in September in Norway (6000km trip) I was happy to get more than 65 kW. On the other hand, it make no different, if you use a triple charger or a HPC. Works for me, because i need fast charging only on vacation. Next time it will be 7500 km to the north cape. This will be at the end of summer. I hope the charging will be a bit better on higher temperature. We´ll see. .

[@o00scorpion00o]

@@olaflanfermann7343 Yes I know the id3 has no manual battery heating option sadly, I was just a bit confused when you said you miss the manual heating option which sounded a little like it was there before. You're correct, it probably won't happen, whether it happens automatically or not when navigating to charge points I doubt it also, seems like a waste of a battery heater. I do think the heater works when DC charging, next time I must connect up the app to see what's going on. Mostly I haven't seen beyond 60-65 Kw except last weekend when I got to an 300 Kw Ionity charger @7% battery charge, highest I saw was 122 Kw the most ever. This is the most frustrating thing about owning a VW EV currently is that you have to be plugged in a 10% or less to see anything close to 100 Kw it's extremely frustrating. I have the 82 Kwh id.3 Tour 5 which is a rare beast but I would never buy an ev with less than the usable 73 Kwh or 72 Kwh as I have now after 2 years 2 months and 70,000 Kms though I don't notice any loss of range so I am sceptical of the way that car calculates this as I recently did a 250 Km trip in foul weather, strong wind and lots of rain and still had 30% charge, this was travelling at speeds of 110-120 Km/hr most of the way, more at 120 Km/hr.

[@olaflanfermann7343]

@@o00scorpion00o Please excuse. I´m a native german speaker with trouble with the english language. I ment, that manual heating is still on my wishlist. I think the have trouble calculating the range, when the heating is involved automatically. You can use an obd2 dongle to and the carscanner pro app, to check out. But be carefull. From OS version 3.2 the car reacts a little spooky. When leaving the car, while the app is connected the intrusion allert is activated. Funny in the neighbourhood. I had in 3 years, 2 Cars an 70000 km only 2 times more than 110 kWh. For me, the bad charging perfomance doesn´t count. I charge while working for free. Company has 420 kWp PV on the roof. Every coworker is free to charge. I charge AC at 90%. Only on vacation DC is used. To be honest, I don’t care if charging takes 25 or 35 minutes. I plan reservetime and start the trip earlier. I thought the 77kWh version has a better charging performance (at least 135, if not 175kW). Usually I only have small trips (35km/d). I´m a really devensive driver. So in summer there are real 450 km in with the 58kWh battery. The vacation in Norway was an other thing. Still it was not an issue, but I´d liked to have a bigger battery. I think the calculation on range is influenced on your last drivings and the temperature. I recognized degradation from 59500 Wh to 54500 Whi n one year. But I think I have to check this in summer, again. On one hand I think “Maximum capacity of transaction battery” is not a real value. The BMS will manage the values to the battery needs. Actual the car gives me 300 km on the Guessometer. This is related to short trips with heavy involved heater. In Summer I expect 400 km +x, which is realistic. For me 400km of range is more or less enough. I´m looking forward to the ID2 with a range of 450 km. Slightly better and big enough for me. Probably the GTI version.

[@stinekristiansen2936]

AFAIK salting the road lower the slippery phase down quite a bit from 0 celcius. So you are surprised with slippery roads on what should be a premium winter road surface.

[@Smartphonekanalen]

Isn't it a condensation risc to preheat battery to 36C and then go out in the cold? Test to preheat it to 20C to get less Sauna ice bath effect. I would call the software for firmware, but of course it can be both bios and firmware update.

[@ernieschatz3783]

Bjorn aint 'fraid of no ice! :

[@Republic3D]

If you live in Jessheim, there's a recycling center just north at Dal/Mogreina (ØRAS).

[@9digitNo]

Oh the joy of electric car ownership.

[@sunseeker-yb5qt]

Thanks Björn. How would a list of „things you should do to keep degradation low“ look like from your experience? Thanks👍

[@ATICrossX]

Most importantly, if you leave your car sitting for long period of time, make sure battery is around or slightly more than 50% SOC, try to stick to 20-80% charge, especially if you are fast charging, also don't charge your car to 100% and leave it for long time, and that's pretty much it.

[@colinbouckaert3450]

And don't leave it

[@icucode]

According to my understanding the best is to slow charge often and keep SOC around 50%. For example drive 5% and charge 5% seems to be the best.

[@marvin3935]

Depends on chemistry. LFP is good with 0-100%.

[@marcohillenga5068]

NMC/NCA chemistry, 20-80%, preferably 50% when car is not in use. LFP: Charge to 100% regularly.

[@ionutcristianmarin3355]

There’s something I don’t understand about my Tesla MYP, maybe someone can help me. The car is exactly 1y old and has 55.000 km. I’ve done the service menu SoH test and it says 97%, ScanMyTesla gives a nominal cappacity of 74.6kWh, but when I drive and do the math i don’t get more than 70kWh for 0-100% display SoC. So what’s the actual degradation?

[@MartinNyxel]

While looking at this car's behaviour it's clear for me that whole software package is very very old and dealer update of everything will sort a lot of issues you're currently facing. Even the turtle mode behaves differently with current sw release...

[@nrdas8912]

On the highway, I get 600 miles to a fill-up in my 2022 Camry. No battery worries. Fill up takes 10 minutes.

[@stijnbode8448]

ID.3 1st Pro Performance owner here with ~78000km driven. I get about the same results. I have to say I was quite disappointed with this kind of degradation, should’ve opt for the bigger battery instead for my type of usage. I often drive 250+km a day and have to charge every day because of that. (On cold days sometimes even twice a day) I try to minimize fast charging but without the possibility to charge at home and only rely on public chargers it’s sometimes hard to manage. I do love the car though. It drives great and I really like the ACC Drive mode in ID cars. One thing that really bothers me is the software though. I had to wait for almost a year to get the software update 3.2, and now the app isn’t functioning for more than 2 months already and I can’t get my car connected because of a known bug ‘there working on it’ but it’s taking forever. To me it’s really a dealbreaker and my next car definitely won’t be a Volkswagen. Software became too important for these computers on wheels and VW is really lagging years behind on the competition. That combined with the degradation im seeing I have to say I’m quite disappointed with this car.

[@marcohillenga5068]

Initial degradation is high, my car (Enyaq with 58 kWh battery) went from 55000wh to 52500 fairly quickly (6 months and 35.000km, It’s now at 50 kWh. (1.5 years and 108.000 km) Which goes to show that degradation will slow down a lot at a certain point. Car was charged to 100% a lot, last time it is sitting a lot on 50% SOC, because I have a job close at home now.

[@o00scorpion00o]

The id 3 and 4 with 82 Kwh battery have around 73.5 Kwh usable when new, not 77 Kwh. So the 58 Kwh Enyak if using the same buffer will have around 3.5 Kwh less or around 54.5 new usable. My car shows 71.5 Kwh usable after 2 years and 70,000 Kms or 2 Kwh loss in that time. So your Enyaq isn't looking bad but I'd like to know is that the max usable Kwh and are you calculating this via app or driving and then measuring the Kwh going in via charge point ? I am sceptical as to how the car calculates this anyway as I recently drove 250 Kms and the car showed 30% charge remaining which is in line with last years trip to the same location same time of year same shitty weather of strong wind and rain.

[@martinnilsson5295]

Why would u charge it to 100% its not recommended

[@marcohillenga5068]

@@martinnilsson5295 because I needed the full range everyday.

[@marcohillenga5068]

@@o00scorpion00o There’s another battery protection buffer at the bottom. When SOC BMS is also at 0%, it is still at 330V, which is still not empty, but rather a brick protection. When SOC BMS is at 96%, it is at true 96% full. (Almost 4.2V cell voltage) But what you mostly notice is range degradation. I can drive 15-25 km less in same conditions as when it was new. That’s the most important degradation measurement.

[@o00scorpion00o]

@@marcohillenga5068 I can't imagine you can measure a 15-25 Km range degradation, there are too many variables. Yes there is a huge buffer in the ID cars which is why the "77" Kwh only showed 73.5 Kwh available when new. I don't notice any range loss when travelling 250 Kms last weekend I still had 30% battery left and most of the trip was 110-120 Km/hr.

[@krisdevoecht]

Hey Bjorn, how do you get those figures (temperature and kWatt) on your cellphone?

[@bjornnyland]

Car Scanner

[@roohollahazad]

I follow the same procedure to measure degradation but I always have larger degradation in winter than summer so this ID3 should also be tested in summer.

[@karlkristianmarkman2744]

Well it all depends on how high the daily charge limit is.

[@manueldamasiocotoviom.d.4071]

what about the TM3 highland?

[@apekatt2007]

Ouch!

[@b21raider27]

After 7 years of owning my ICE car, my “battery” capacity still at 100%. Ice ice baby ICE!

[@glyngoold2659]

That's convinced me even more to stick to petrol.

[@mnorma12]

Did I read that wrong or was your starting BMS SoC 96%?

[@APerson-jf2md]

OMG - do you have a Tesla Semi incoming and are preparing for the banana box test?

[@doublesdetailer7709]

The Sun will love this vlog. Oh the VW high voltage cell scandal. Then curve ball sale at the end😂. Another awesome vlog🫡

[@Bruni20VT]

Car has a lot of DC charging?

[@AndrewTSq]

I read the BMW i3 uses Samsung SDI batterys and currently the BMW i3, i8 and Fiat 500 use this, but Huyndai will start to use them aswell from 2026 and forward. Would be interesting to see if a Fiat 500 have the same good degradation with same battery type from Samsung.

[@riccardomarinoni6733]

In Italy we have a lot of 500, the degradation Is the same of stellantis car: 208 e, corsa e, ecc...the degradation Is a Little High compare to other cars

[@ID.SuperFan-tq8xi]

Doesn't matter what kind of (faked) degradation the i3 has, because nobody wants to drive it.

[@BeX32210]

The i3 ist the most overengineered EV that has ever hit the market. That happens when engineers try to figure out what works and what does not. That starts with extreme light weight and lightweight fiber interior and ends at the most overengineered battery cell that has ever been I any BEV. I mean - the specs on these things have a rating of 80% state of health at 4500 - 6000 cycles, and that's only the 94Ah cells that they introduced in 2016. Meanwhile the first ever produced i3 start to show measurable degradation - that's cars that were produced 10 years ago.

[@williammccoy7127]

A clutch an break and a gas pedal,a speed indicator a fuel indicator and some fault indicators. 8 years with no problems 210000 km . lucky I am. Only changed break pads and tyres. 😊

[@mouseanalyse]

Paused at 19:47 and was very surprised at the degradation rates. I had a Tesla Model S for about 4,5 years and 150.000km and experienced a range degradation at 90% charge of 436km when new down to 412km. That’s roughly 6%. I think the car was supercharged about 2/3 of the time. In the beginning to 90%, near the end to 95% SoC. No idea about the number of cycles. With the AC charger it was only occasionally charged full (slow charger 7,4kW). I found that degradation acceptable, especially now that I dicover your numberd 😵. Worry-free car btw. Only minor things to fix as opposed to some less lucky Tesla drivers. Thx for your review. Very insightful.

[@DevajnK]

Do a Polestar2 ( gen 1 ) degradation! :D

[@davi-sn3jf]

Hi Björn, interesting results. If you like, you could test mine. its also the "pro" version, now 3 years old and 69k km. It charged about 5 times per year to 100% and 80% rest of the time, overall more than 95% AC. My calculations are in the range of about 51kWh left. Located near Stuttgart, Germany.

[@pattuscheck]

Wow fast nur AC und trotzdem soviel schon weg.

[@hanslundstrom245]

Same with mine..Is this Battery Gate?

[@lucastimmerman5432]

So probably the car stil havent had the battery check, so maybe there a few bad cells ? I also drive with 2.3 and it really sucks infotainment gets stuck very often. Did plan a sw update at the dealer but they are very busy....

[@noleti]

@bjorn: I always wondered why degradation is measured in km driven. Wouldn't it make more sense to measure in kWh/Ah taken from battery (or chared into it)? In general, this could mean degradation in Norway is stronger than in other countries, as average consumption/km driven (due to heating) is likely higher than, say in DE. Possibly degradation in Spain or similar would also be higher. I really like that you list degradation / cycle, but that is just based on WLTP consumption or similar right? /edit: Of course the current measurement is well suited to compare cars that are driven in same climate (i.e. Norway), but people further south should not necessarily expect the same degradation when looking for used cars.

[@piscario75]

Bjorns spreadsheet has degradation per cycle so takes into account battery size if you like

[@noleti]

@@piscario75yes, but cycles are estimated based on (Odo*wltp_average_kwhper100km)/batterysize I think. Which is also important, but my point was that average consumption likely depends on area driven in

[@TheAbcdhjkl]

Degradation is slower in colder temperatures.

[@Daniel-qr6sx]

I´ve noticed that on my skoda enyaq I have about 200km range on my IV80 during winter @110km/h. It's beyond shit after 2½ years

[@claeswikstrom7086]

I do not charge my car until needed, so usually @15-25%. I drive 70km to and back from work every day and charge once or twice a week. Now, after 10400km I do have not even noticed any degradation at all in my Kia e-Niro 2019. GOM states 420-490km in summer and 350-420 in winter. I do not know if Iam lucky or if it’s that method that keep the battery healthy. Info: Almost always 3.5kW AC charging (it has only 1 phase AC/DC)

[@varghexum]

Looks like Kia/Niro has one of the best chemistry/batteries out there

[@cedarcanoe]

That’s why we like the BMW i3 much better!

[@andreatoffolo3488]

“The sun hai entered the chat” you killed me😂😂😂😂

[@yvs6663]

Battery Life tested his id3 several times and had some fairly high degradation numbers to show for it. i doubt he is charging his car to 100% when it isn't needed. so the cells they were using might have just been a bad apple. no biggie, just remember to shop for a battery capacity thats one bigger than the one you would if the car was new if buying used.

[@karl-heinzoehling483]

I agree with the results from “Battery Life” compared with my ID.3. Batterie loss about 8.5% after 47Tkm.

[@ChewableMeteor]

When the highland tests @bjorn

[@simondehaas8784]

My ID3 has about 52kwh after 2 years so fairly similar. Carscanner reports a "maximum HV battery energy content", and gives mine as 55600wh (varying a bit), as well as the hv battery energy content which is around 52000 at 100%. I wish I knew what that maximum 55600 meant. Maybe it will be released in future? Or maybe not. Maybe it's the remaining gross cap?

[@noproblem386]

that’s was when new with no degradation

[@simondehaas8784]

@@noproblem386 no, that's incorrect. It varies and others have seen it come down over time

[@marcohillenga5068]

Max Energy Content is the content from 0 to 100% SOC BMS, this is different than your display SOC, 100% display is 96% BMS, 0% display is 5% BMS.