2022 Energica Eva Ribelle Range Test

[@glimpseireland2005]

Thanks for doing this test, very interesting video - good work. Now to win the lotto and the Ribelle will be mine, mine I tell you!

[@NewZeroland]

Hahaha thank you, and good luck! Somebody has to win it, so why not you?

[@Beakerzor]

3:30 I got a 2019 Tesla Long Range Model 3 and FINALLY took it on a road trip last month. I learned 3 things: 1) the more empty, the faster it charges, 2) there are places to Supercharge like every 60 miles or less on interstates (in the USA), and 3) even though I could drive 4 hours without needing to charge, I preferred to stop every hour. I never needed to buy a Long Range version!!! I should apply this lesson to my first Electric bike purchase. There are places to charge EVERWHERE too.

[@NewZeroland]

Dude, that's exactly it! Well said. I guess with more range comes freedom to stop wherever you want, rather than being forced to stop at charging stations only. But you're totally right. We don't NEED this much range haha.

[@moestrei]

1b) When the charge rate drops at around 70% stop and unplug. I still wait for newbies wanting to 'fill up' to 100% wasting a lot of time. My rule of thumb: Between two pee stops from 80% - 20% SOC is sufficient, which a SR+ or my old S 85P easily does. Those Energicas too, btw. Yes you can buy another brand with better build quality and softer ride but a Tesla (in 2022) is the best EV for the money.

[@widecamsam7972]

Ditto. I can go about five hours a day of driving if I'm with someone else. Which is only a charge or two per day. My car only goes 230 per charge on the highway, but that's really far when you think about it. The only place the range comes in handy with is when you are on dirt roads in the middle of nowhere, camping and climbing in the desert. Or towing, the extra range is nice while you are towing.

[@craigdge]

As always, excellent video. I slightly expected more from the Energica but your test is still very impressive. If you are curious, my girlfriend and I set out last weekend to ride from Flagstaff, AZ, USA through Sedona, Cottonwood and Jerome. I rode my 2021 Zero SRS (500 miles on odometer) and she rode the 2019 DSR (6,000 miles on odometer). The highway ranges in speed limit from 35 mph to 65mph in a few places - probably averaging 45-50 mph if we are being realistic. We rode very conservatively - eco mode the whole time just a little spirited in the twisty sections. At about the halfway point. We stopped to test out a charging station for 20 minutes where I got a 20% top off on the SRS and she got a 5% boost (using stock DSR onboard charger with adapter). I made it home with 4% to spare on the SRS and she had about 14%. The round trip was approximately 116 miles or about 180 km. The terrain is very hilly so I suspect that worked against me being both the heavier person and riding a bike that is 80 lbs heavier. It was extremely cold for the second leg of the trip riding home with temperature dropping to 42 degrees F (I think that's about 5 C).

[@NewZeroland]

That's not too bad range! Way too cold haha, but sounds like fun. Range definitely varies a lot. I've been able to get mine down to ~45 miles on a full charge racing as fast as I could up a hill over and over.. but also well over 200 miles at city pace. I'm not sure how to tell people how many miles these bikes can go, so I pick a spot on the map that they know and branch out from there. Usually they're surprised!

[@IIARROWS]

Yesterday I tested a Zero S and an HD Livewire, while the first was disappointing on performance and options (but still fun), the second was really exciting (but expensive... One of the 2 demo bike with 2 000 km for 27 k), except when I mistakenly selected wet mode instead of sport. I booked a slot for the Energica Eva Ribelle in 2 weeks, they are going to change their demo with the newer model, so that's for sale for 15 500 €... I'll see, I hope none else gets first... if it's half as exciting as the Livewire (at almost half the price) I'm going to spend the rest of the day watching people riding my bike.

[@NewZeroland]

Wow awesome! That's a huge price drop on the Ribelle 😲 I agree about the Livewire. That bike is amazing and we would have loved to buy one if it wasn't so expensive. Hopefully the new Livewire One will solve that.

[@gasdive]

Ex demo electric is a great option. Petrol bikes need to be ridden a very specific way in the first 1000 km to perform at their best and a demo bike isn't. So there's a big discount. Electric bikes don't. You can thrash them or lug them, or ride them without warming them up or not change the oil or whatever you want in the first 1000 km and it doesn't make the slightest long term difference. Yet there's often still a big discount.

[@IIARROWS]

@@gasdive In my experience in the last week looking for them... eMC are not really discounted when used, often the used price is basically the same of the new (but that's an issue even with cars right now). So when I heard the price I was really tempted... it was the first of my tour, so I didn't experienced it and didn't bothered. But now it's really growing on me, and I'm usually don't buy on instincts, I take my time to calculate. At the price, I need ~6-7 years to repay for that. But it's also the top of the line, more or less... I'm pretty sure it's the basic of the top of the line from 2021, it's still a demo after all. Nothing I would really care. Except for the keyless system not installed, after the test demo with the Zero, I know I will forgot the keys in... 10 years of Harleys give you an habit. I will need to tether them to my jacket.

[@memydogandbike9335]

once you ride the ribelle you wont remeber the zero even if it is last years model without the new emcsomething engine in it. enjoy and i keep fingers crossed you can get the demo ribelle :)...EDIT oh and i got also a demo EsseEsse9+ RS with the new engine alrteady :) no regrets there...accept maybe for the keyless option that was on it...oh well.

[@Beakerzor]

0:12 omg, I just bought a 2013 Nissan Leaf too, that's so weird to picture the Nissan battery inside a motorcycle, maybe if I tried to drive the Leaf on two wheels, it would be the same?

[@NewZeroland]

Haha that's a crazy image. Or you could cut it in half and stack one side on top of the other!

[@Beakerzor]

@@NewZeroland haha! but seriously, that's a TON of range on two wheels, I'm so tempted to buy one, I just need to level my skills up to that weight class

[@NewZeroland]

@@Beakerzor yeah man! They aren't difficult to ride, but also aren't for the inexperienced. If you've ridden a Zero you could totally ride an Energica.

[@RedBatteryHead]

Great range. That EMCE drive is adding to that success too.

[@NewZeroland]

Yep, absolutely. Lighter and more efficient! I love this bike!!

[@BuntaBall40]

Love it guys. With my TC MAX 3kwh battery with 3kw motor, I've learned heaps about efficiency

[@NewZeroland]

Cheers man! What's the max range you've gotten out of it so far?

[@BuntaBall40]

@@NewZeroland 90km, to and from work. 30km day round trip. 60km speed zone. 50kmh sweet range spot.

[@jtchivers]

Good to see you legal again, Sam! To answer your question first, shorter range and faster charging any day. That's a reason I went for Charge Tank over Power Tank in the days of Zero. Ahh, remember those? 😁 When I borrowed the EVA Ribelle from English Electric Motor Company back in November and took it back, Alec asked me what I thought the bike's range was. I said I'd pretty much managed 100 miles at maximum UK motorway speed (70 mph), and based on the other bits of riding off those fastest roads, I guestimated around 140 miles on mixed roads. He reckoned about the same. However, since I got my EVA Ribelle on Thursday, and as I've had my GP mounted, I've noticed that like on other vehicles, the calibration on the speedo is out and is actually reading around 10% above the actual speed, so to actually achieve 70 mph in reality, I need to be doing 77 mph on the speedo. That means that my figures from November were probably a little too generous and I was probably doing around 64 mph rather than 70 on the motorways. On that basis, I reckon that 200 km (125 miles) is probably what I'd expect to achieve. Looking forward to doing more trips and finding out for myself.

[@NewZeroland]

Yep, I have to set my cruise control to 105km/h instead of 100 so I don't hold up traffic. I'm not sure why they did that, and I wish there was an easy way to tweak it. Somehow the odometer is spot on though. I'm so excited to see where you ride your new bike! Maybe that electric Triumph will be the lightweight, short range, fast charging bike we want. Sounds like Ducati might be following that trend with their race bikes.

[@aumique]

Thanks for the video Sam! Stefano from San Francisco had similar points, just configured mine yesterday with him. Excited for my new bike.

[@NewZeroland]

Nice!! Congrats man. Say hi to Stefano for me. He's a great guy and you made the best choice for your next bike!

[@greengoat5654]

That short-range quick charge sounds cool as hell. If there's stations in enough spots and I don't have to worry about lighting the pump on fire I can just plug my bike in, smoke a cigarette, and I'm ready to go

[@NewZeroland]

Hahaha yep! I feel like that's coming. Liquid cooled batteries should make shorter charge times possible.

[@willman18696]

Another awseome vid! Thanks guys!

[@NewZeroland]

Cheers! Glad ya liked it :D

[@Emmanuel-wo4gs]

Thank you for this test in a beautiful country side 👍👍👍Energica are the best 👍👍👍

[@NewZeroland]

Cheers! Glad you liked it 😁

[@Emmanuel-wo4gs]

@@NewZeroland 😊👍😊👍😊👍😊👍😊👏👏

[@justmayle]

Thanks Sam, the range test is greatly desired. So, to answer your question I want the big batter slow charge. Li-ion love slow charging. My desire is a crusier/bagger format electric bike with a huge battery, big windscreen and hard "bags".

[@NewZeroland]

Nice! Yeah it sounds like lots of tourers watch my channel, so hopefully we get more long-range electric moto options soon.

[@JediLeba]

💯 I want an electric sofa to ride. Give me comfort - I don’t need to be all crouched over bombing twisties. I want to be relaxed, sitting back enjoying the ride and the view. If I were rich and mechanical, I’d convert something like a GoldWing. Electric is great for torque, but I just don’t need it.

[@RoadcraftNottingham]

Leanna also rides my Zero SR/S and because she's lighter (8 1/2 stone vs my 11 1/2) gets roughly 15-20% more range... On the same bike which wowed me. I think you may find the screen makes less difference than you think. Having more problems with my Zero btw, got loads of info for my long term owner's review and the warranty runs out in Oct so may be leaving electric bikes altogether... But... I have the Ribelle RS for a week in June, may be interesting.... Another great upload, thanks.

[@NewZeroland]

Hey man! Great to hear from ya 😁 Sorry I haven't been keeping up with your Zero vids. What kind of issues are you having with it? Obviously I'm biased, but I think you'll really enjoy that Ribelle in June 😎 Cheers dude!

[@SenseiEpu]

Same all over. I have an electric scooter (Yeah, it's no Tesla or Energica) that states a 40 - 50 km range. That may be so if I had the scooter on the lowest settings, travelling at walking pace. But real world test has given me between 25 - 30 km. A great video nonetheless. And a great test. And those bike suits! Nice! You guys went all out.

[@NewZeroland]

Haha cheers bro!! Hey anything electric is cool in my book :D I would totally rock an electric scooter in a full race suit.

[@jezthomas4402]

On your faster charging v range question: for most countries I say smaller battery (handling) and range, with more regular charging but not for so long, e.g. 100-150kms ride then 15-20 mins charge time, so coffee time if you're quick and a wee. Most people could do with a break (arse, bladder, old bones, concentration levels, being sociable) after this time anyway. But in NZ and other areas that are rural and don't have a very dense charging network, 200k would make a real difference to get to those spots that are far away from chargers, and also in case the charger you ideally need has a modern electric car plugged in (so 45mins+ wait time), you have the range to go to the next one. And if you do consequently have a longer charge to do on your bike - over 20 mins, you can fairly easily plan it around brekkie or lunch stops.

[@NewZeroland]

Great point, bro! I think the best part about having so much range is being able to stop where you want to, rather than where you have to. Since we didn't need to charge on this ride, we could hang out at the top of Remutaka Hill Road, or in Martinborough as long as we wanted. We didn't have to wait 30min in a Featherston supermarket carpark. Ok on a longer trip this would be part of it, but for some people, 200km is all they'll do in a day. Even more range if they ride slower.

[@martinkrepela7015]

Hey man, great video. I strongly believe it's not only the windscreen that make the difference, also the riders weight. What is your weight difference? Also were you guys sticking to each others while riding or you were pushing and waiting later?

[@NewZeroland]

Weight definitely makes a difference but we're only 5kg apart. I'm guessing our sizes also have an effect. I'm bigger so the wind hits me more.

[@realMysta]

@@NewZeroland Yeah aero is way more important than weight.

[@MrJoe988]

I can confirm, that unless you break speed limits the range is about 180 / 200km. Good informative video as aways Sam!

[@NewZeroland]

Thanks man! Yeah this range is nuts. I like that we can choose where to stop now, instead of only stopping at a charging station.

[@IIARROWS]

But breaking the speed limit is one of the best things! It also makes kittens appear on screen.

[@NewZeroland]

@@IIARROWS hahaha I have another 2 years of obeying the law until my points disappear and I can do it again.

[@TheRealAlpha2]

@@NewZeroland Obviously for legal reason you wont even after... riiiight?😺

[@NewZeroland]

@@TheRealAlpha2 THE KITTENS MADE ME DO IT

[@eastpeak74]

Great test! Glad to see you’ve got your license back. Was over those hills last Thursday, not quite as sunny!! Great to see new peeps out riding too!! Caught up with Neil M also, he said he’s going to get a bike this year, so there’s another!!

[@NewZeroland]

Heyyy awesome!! That's exciting to hear :D

[@busaman1444]

Went out today on the Ribelle, was at 98%, did 60 miles, range estimator said it still had 47 miles left when I got back so pretty accurate and I have the bags and wind screen and I'm a heavy rider.

[@NewZeroland]

Dude nice! It definitely depends how you ride. Speeds are way lower over here so that helps my range. Saddle bags kill any range boost that the windscreen gives, unfortunately.. but they're so useful!

[@christopherkleps2976]

Chris Kleps I have followed you for a year or so. I just bought a 2022 Zero DS with a 7.2 Kw battery. it weighs about 350#, which is important to me. The 14.4 Kw model was too heavy! I added the charge tank, which will charge the battery to 100% in about 50 minutes. I fitted a windscreen and an LED headlight bulb. My range is 50-60 miles depending on speed. The DS requires a different mindset to tour with, but it seems to be a well-balanced, well-made bike that I can use level 2 chargers to tour with.

[@NewZeroland]

That's not a bad setup. At that speed you're probably riding for an hour and a half and stopping to charge for just under an hour? Now Zero just needs DC charging so you can be back on the road in 15-20min!

[@christopherkleps2976]

@@NewZerolandAmen! I spoke with a Zero representative at "The One" motorcycle show in Portland on Saturday about this. He wasn't encouraging.

[@haveric24]

cheers mate hoping to get mine soon.. i lean towards 300km that is the sweet spot but 240km with screen is amazing a 20min stop every 1 to 2 hours is fine too

[@NewZeroland]

Nice! Yeah I agree. Ride for 2 hours and stop for lunch, ride another 2 hours. That's a solid distance to ride.

[@pnblondon1087]

Another great video Sam, but I wouldn't call that a long ride; I'd call it a medium one. Also, to be properly scientific about the screen's effect you should either test the range riding each other's bikes, or you should swap the screen across to your own bike and do it again. I suspect that your body is less aerodynamic than Jen's! BTW, FWIW, I had a spin on an Eva Ribelle at the Fully Charged Live show in Farnborough over the weekend and was really impressed by its performance and handling. Also had a spin on the hub-drive Finnish Verge - felt less weird to ride than it looks! Finally, remember, BMW's CevoPlus electric maxiscooter weighs 275kg and is still a lot of fun, and Suzuki's AN650 Burgman maxiscooter weighs about the same when fuelled up. PNB

[@NewZeroland]

Thanks man! Yeah I really want to test our her windscreen on my bike to see how much of a difference it makes. Both of our bikes could use more aero. This wasn't a long ride, but pretty long for a single charge. I don't know of any other electric motorcycles that can do this without modification.

[@slartybartfarst9737]

Interesting 200km on the Energica. Im on my 3rd Zero. 2019 DSR 14.3, 2020 SRF 14.3 now a 2022 SRF premium 15.6. The DSR was good for 90 miles (144 km) the 2020 SRF was 80 miles (128 km) so that gives you an idea of my riding style I could reduce them by 30% by going nuts but sanity prevails. My 2022 SRF does 125 miles (201 km) and I dont hang about. Im going to upgrade to the 17.3 kWh battery so Im expecting 140 miles (225 km). I focus my rides on country back lanes as the sun rises but theres a mix of fast A roads in there and the bikes get nailed. Im impressed with the 2022 SRF, for my use case in silence listening to the wildlife in 90 miles loops back home before the world wakes up and ruins it all the 2022 SRF is perfect. Congratulations on the Tesla my "classic" RWD P85 now 8 years old 125,000 UK miles. Tesla just the best car decision ever, electric power the most responsive satisfying vehicles.

[@NewZeroland]

Cheers man! That's great info about all the different Zero models. It sounds like the new 17.3kWh Zeros (with upgraded charging??) are great for road tripping. The new actively-cooled battery handles charging really well. Teslas are the best, for sure. They're expensive, but soooo worth it.

[@stevenb7319]

Nice video. I bet it feels good to get back out. The new riding gear looks nice too.

[@NewZeroland]

It does!! And thanks man. I love this suit!

[@DaReapa]

Im happy your back on the bike, smart idea to play it safe and not loose your license again. If you do decide to hit the twisties a little harder though we wont tell 😏. Look forward to more videos!

[@NewZeroland]

Cheers man! I didn't die this time. Just been impatiently waiting for the next legal ride. We're taking these beauties on the track this weekend so there will definitely be fun videos soon!

[@ericdraven798]

Hey, nice Video again. I got a used rebelle from 2021 in may. Did about 3k kilometers now and I really like it. 🙂 My experience is that I can always do at least 150km on one charge. You can easily do more if you use less power but that does also mean less fun. 😉 I like to recharge more often than you need to keep the full performance (I've been riding a R1 for many years, so I'm quite spoiled to have enough power all the time). 😉 Go on and greatings from germany. 🙋‍♂

[@NewZeroland]

Cheers man! Thanks for watching. I definitely understand. These bikes want to go fast, and riding fast kills range quick haha. I'm so jealous of your autobahn!

[@ericdraven798]

@@NewZeroland Yes, the Autobahn. It's a thrill to ride 300km/h on a bike on the Autobahn, but that isn't what riding a motorbike is about. I've done this only a view times in my life. Normaly we avoid the autobahn and take twisty roads instead. The fun on the energica takes place from 0-150km/h. I like the instant accelaration. When the traficlight goes green my biker friends on their conventional bikes are still searching for the first gear, when I on the energica are watching them disappearing in the mirror. 😜 Sorry for my poor english! I hope you know, what I mean. Greating from the other side of the planet. 🙋‍♂

[@crookers2135]

Absolutely loving what you guys ate doing, seriously thinking about getting me an electric motorcycle the thing is what brand to go with

[@NewZeroland]

Cheers! It depends what style of riding you do. If it's purely commuting, Zeros are perfect. If you want to do long distance trips or trackdays, Energica all the way.

[@crookers2135]

@NewZeroland purely commuting, 30km of highway and 10km city riding so all round trip will be 80km with it being 60km highway and 20km city riding. Just need something I know that will get me to work and back on one charge

[@NewZeroland]

@@crookers2135 oh, easy. Any Zero should be able to do that. They're lightweight and fun to ride!

[@octopusenvy]

Thanks Samwise! Range vs Charging on Energica models is the crossroads for sure. I love 15-17min charging of my Eva107, but only get an average 110-120km range (with 10% left, depending on roads). A Ribelle would likely double the range, but also double that charging time due to thermal cutback and newer, conservative software. The difference is COMFORT & INFRASTRUCTURE. It's more natural to ride around 200kms on a road bike b4 having a break & with more BEV on the road you can skip more chargers. But being stuck at one for 30-45min while on a longer road trip stinks. They both have advantages and disadvantages, but for shorter distances and commutes the Ribelle wins with more range and lighter weight :)

[@NewZeroland]

Yeah I'm really curious which would be faster on a longer trip. Less stops means you aren't pulling off the highway, plugging in, etc so often, so you might save 5-10 min at each skipped charging station by going with the bigger battery. Time to do more tests!

[@octopusenvy]

@@NewZeroland kinda surprised no one has done this in the states yet! maybe we need a test wknd somewhere mid-volcanoes on the island ;)

[@tozzasque]

Why not both? I know it's not a bike, but I fall in love with Aptera, probably the first actual SEV on the market, not just a gimmick like the Prius Hybrid. The consumption is about 7kWh/100km, a PV system up to 1kWp that replenish up to 60km a day in the best condition, has a battery from 25 to 100kWh, and a charging speed of 150kW. I've ordered the one with 60kWh, 1kW of PV, and it's 3WD (it's a tricycle 😅), so I'll have a big battery, great charging speed, and a car of about 1.000kg, so not so heavy.

[@NewZeroland]

That's exciting! I can't wait to see those futuristic alien spacecrafts driving around on public roads. This is the future I want to live in!

[@tozzasque]

@@NewZeroland Future looking bright with projects like these!

[@NickMasseyRideon]

hey sam, we are really interesting in a energica in 2022, my wife mentioned that you had really good experience with them compared to others, how did you get the bikes? was it as simple as contacting them? we are up near Levin and know these roads well .

[@NewZeroland]

Nice! Yeah they're not too hard to get. The best way is via the Australian Electric Motor Co. They can ship you a bike straight from Europe I think, and the rego process is easy. Hit them up and tell Tobin that Sam sent ya 😁

[@PaulWayper]

@@NewZeroland I'm working with Zen Motorcycles in Sydney for my Experia - they're also super helpful. Either one does the same thing - basically get the bike delivered from Energica in Italy straight to you.

[@miniscribbler7638]

thanks for this, 200klms is actually better than i thought. im seriously considering this bike now. just got to see how much trade in australianelectricmotorco will give on my africa twin :P on a sise note its interesting to see the dealer here has 246klms as max range of ribelle compared to 420klm on official website. much more realistic.

[@NewZeroland]

Nice!! Yeah and once you factor in 45min-1hr charges, you can ride 800km+ days pretty easy 😁

[@Doctorbasss]

My rule of thumb for now 10 years on ZERO is 1Wh/km per km/h AVERAGE you ride. Yes it's a linear relationship and i know that wind effect is non linear, but it still really kelp. If i ride 80km/h average, i get 80wh/km

[@NewZeroland]

Whoa interesting! That makes a lot of sense.

[@123mirc]

Super nice! Now I want one for myself even more!

[@NewZeroland]

Thanks! These are a huge leap forward from the previous models.

[@DuncanJimmy]

So awesome, you guys were missed! Would love for you to do a video sometime about what it took to import those bikes to NZ in terms of shipping cost, import duties, bureaucracy, etc.

[@NewZeroland]

Thanks Jimmy! It has been too long haha. I made a video about the importing process on a Zero DSR I owned a few years ago if you want to see it: (kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqDQm3uuhq-Zrs0) These bikes were pretty much the same. New Zealand is super chill about importing and registering vehicles. As long as they have VINs and ABS, they'll let just about anything in!

[@DuncanJimmy]

@@NewZeroland Perfect, thanks!

[@NerdLFG]

Really cool, thanks for sharing.

[@NewZeroland]

Cheers!

[@kom2falcon]

Somebody got a new jacket. Which as everyone knows is mandatory with a new bike. Yeah you gotta pick up a wind screen for yours too. It's a good proportion and not like a battle shield on the front of the bike. Nice area basically in your backyard.

[@NewZeroland]

Haha new SUIT! We're hitting the track this weekend :D And yep I think you're right. I need better aero.

[@GregHassler]

I lean towards longer range than faster charging, but they eventually have to go hand in hand.

[@gasdive]

They really do go hand in hand if you think of charging speed on terms of km or miles recovered per minute. Charging at 3C on a bike with 1/3 the range of a bike that charges at 1C isn't getting you to your destination faster.

[@NewZeroland]

Yeah I guess an hour is still fast-ish charging. Hopefully we can keep the charging speed below an hour while also increasing battery capacity.

[@marcbrasse747]

I've made a calculation same years ago. Comparing my petrol bikes' thirst and efficiency with that of an electric bike. I you ride a middle class bike in a sporty but legal way it will drink about 1 l per 20 km/s in real life mixed use When one translates this into electric consumption at electric efficiency one basically comes to a power consumption of slightly more then 0,1 Kw per km. Which your test confirms. So my ideal electric bike will be one with 20 KW in battery power on aboard at the lowest possible weight. The emerging new battery technology will lead to a sort of Energica with a 200 kg weight within 5 to 10 years. As soon as such bikes become affordable the electric motorcycle will reach it's true potential at last.

[@NewZeroland]

Yep! I think this size battery is perfect. If they can keep dropping the weight, range will go up even more. I'm excited to ride one while we wait. I'm too impatient haha.

[@danielvanvliet1797]

Interesting to see the efficiency numbers! I wonder how much the consumption would increase with saddle bags on the bikes? Can you test this 😀

[@ChristianReinbacher]

For an SS9 saddle bags make no difference. I rode one season without and one with and didn't see a noticable difference.

[@NewZeroland]

Actually we put the bags on this weekend and did the same trip again, and the bags removed that 10% range boost. I think the bags cancel out whatever the windscreen does.

[@awo1fman]

Probably makes a difference what you put *in* the bags, because weight/mass makes a difference to inertia. If they're basically empty and just hanging out there with a few light things in case you need them gor groceries or something there won't be as much difference as if they're packed full of heavier stuff for a trip. There are other factors, too, like wind speed and direction. I wouldn't expect bags to have much of an aerodynamic penalty because they are toward the back of the bike where the air is already turbulent. But that would change if there's a side wind. I noticed a big change in highway range when I added the windshield to my Zero, but the top case (which went on first) didn't make any noticeable difference.

[@NewZeroland]

@@awo1fman the Energica saddle bags stick out a lot, so aerodynamic penalties are big. Some people are figuring out how to mount a top box instead for this reason exactly.

[@pnblondon1087]

@@NewZeroland An aerodynamic top box could even improve the overall aero of the bike!

[@AaronCocker]

I believe the RS Ribelle is slightly less efficient as it has fewer teeth to get faster acceleration, but the motor is having to spin faster and uses more power to maintain the same speed as the non RS model. Plus the windscreen of course, and weight differences perhaps?

[@NewZeroland]

Maybe.. weight only really matters during acceleration. When we put the bags on Jenn's bike her range goes way down, and my RS got more. It's a weird one and I'm not sure how much the gearing really affects it.

[@stevesane800]

I’d have these over a gas bike any day of the week! What great roads around south NZ! New hairstyle but same cool people 😉 I think you might need to get a screen for long rides & tours me thinks. It doesn’t detract from the looks & wont make your bikes look the same because your is the RS! If I could just afford one, I’d have the EVA Ribelle & join you for rides🙌

[@NewZeroland]

Thanks Steve! I'm glad you like them 😁 and I think you're right about the screen. I'm already thinking of fun aero mods to do, like wheel discs maybe, and a front fairing that would work with the taller handlebar. We'll see how much range these things can really get!

[@TheChromeRonin]

To confirm if it’s the screen that helps aero you should swap bikes for a ride. It might be more likely Jen is just smaller and lighter, and that may be enough to alter range by 10%

[@NewZeroland]

Yeah we'll have to do some experiments. We put the saddle bags on her bike and those took the 10% away. We aren't much different in weight, but she's definitely smaller.

[@TheChromeRonin]

@@NewZeroland Its probably the aerodynamics are the most important at motorway speeds, and probably why no-one but Harley have tried to make a Cruiser electric MC because of the hit to range, but even the Livewires riding position is very sports bike-like.

[@dhananjaywarrier2978]

Really interesting. An electric bike in India Ultraviolette F77, Users claim it can do 250 KM on a single charge (obviously at a slower pace). It has a 10.7 kWh battery, No CSS port though :(

[@NewZeroland]

Yep, that kind of range on the F77 is probably at 30km/h the whole time. It would have been such a cool bike with CCS!!

[@Hobi_dünyam258]

With horwin sk3 I get 250 km range on the display for 66 km speed GPS is 46 km speed 200 km range battery 5.76kwh. engine passive oil cooling active air cooling

[@phoenixdee5009]

I noticed a similar efficiency gain on my FXS last fall when I got a windscreen!

[@NewZeroland]

Nice! Yeah 10% seems to be the common result.

[@KZ900R]

You guys should try TG jump off at Pauatahanui for paekakari hill is a good twisty alt route now with the new motorway

[@NewZeroland]

Dude yes! I really like that new road. We're hitting it this weekend on the way to Manfeild :D

[@NickMasseyRideon]

my wife and I both ride and would love to catch up sometime, we would also love to look at the bikes

[@NewZeroland]

Hey Nick, we should definitely meet up sometime for a ride. Or whenever you're down in Wellington, let me know - [e-mail]

[@iallso1]

Following my experience with the Hyundai Ioniq I would want a longer range and I would be prepared to wait longer at each stop to charge. It would need to be DC charging compatible. I took the Sur Ron Storm Bee out for a test and ended up pushing it back to the shop after it ran out of charge. I actually passed a charging station while I was on the return leg. 200km range seems pretty good to me, and a bit of wind protection adding to the range is pretty cool.

[@NewZeroland]

Oof! Yeah everything needs DC charging here. The infrastructure is great and continues to get better, but without CCS things fall really short. I'm hoping Tesla Superchargers open up to everybody soon!

[@CrazyPsych0B]

Man I want an emotorcycle so bad. But I live 80miles up in the mountains from both cities I work in. That’s about 60miles of pure hill climbing up 3000-4000ft(depends on which city I’m leaving). I don’t think even 124miles(200km)in range is enough to get me home on one charge. Coming down is no problem but I’d never make it home haha. Guess I gotta give up until the ranges increase somehow.

[@NewZeroland]

Holy crap that's a serious commute. Is it possible to work remotely? Not even talking electric now.. that's multiple hours of life per day that you're losing!

[@CrazyPsych0B]

@@NewZeroland If only haha. But you can’t operate an excavator from a desk. Sadly I spend 3 hours a day just driving. Is what it is, such is the life of a mountain man, the good jobs are always far away. Fuel costs monthly is ridiculous! Hence my want for something electric for when I’m not having to drive my truck, I have something that’s inexpensive to run.

[@NewZeroland]

@@CrazyPsych0B I feel ya man. My dad used to pave roads and every few weeks he'd be driving to another far off location. Check out the Experia, maybe. That has a bit more range than my Ribelle.

[@jaroslavsplichal97]

Hi, Thanks a lot for a great video. Btw that 10% range difference could be also caused by different height, weight and riding style of the rider. Btw have tested the new Zero SRS 2024? Would have been nice to see a test :)

[@NewZeroland]

Thanks! Yeah you're right. My wife is a lot smaller so that definitely explains the difference. I haven't ridden an SR/S yet.. I don't think one even exists in NZ, but I'd like to try it out someday. The lack of fast charging kinda kills it for me though.

[@ttkiwis6980]

I like the bit about the range test.

[@NewZeroland]

This weekend I'll do a range test at Manfeild 😂 Shooting for the lowest range possible.

[@ttkiwis6980]

@@NewZeroland Will there be explosions and some J.J. Abrams lens flare?

[@NewZeroland]

@@ttkiwis6980 just for you, I will add some in there. Spare no expense on production quality haha.

[@fourteenfour1]

what exactly is shorter range than what we have now??? I want 200 miles with a passenger on a bike that looks like an Electra Glide that supports L1, L2, and DCFC . Battery tech is getting close and right now I don't need any bike that has no luggage; panniers; and some wind protections. Right now they are not available in my Southeastern US state... they are in the next state over but I am a bit loathe to buy a bike I cannot service locally

[@NewZeroland]

200 miles without stopping is a long ride. I wonder if Harley will build something like that.. a 1000lb beast with a 40kWh battery and a giant front fairing.

[@nfcknblvbl]

I have an Energica Ego 13.4 kWh bike, and I feel ok without the bigger battery since it charges a little bit faster and doesn't overheat when DC fast charging as much. I think in order to get me to upgrade, I'd like to see a bike with a liquid cooled battery and ~2C charging.

[@NewZeroland]

Yeah I feel ya. Those 15 min top ups on the old battery are amazing!

[@NickMasseyRideon]

rimtex is the go to place to meet when going over the tukas

[@NewZeroland]

Hell yeah. So many friendly bikers to meet!

[@Brimstonewolf]

Makes sense to me. I have a screen on mine and cruising around 110km/hr (indicated) working out to about 60-70km/hr averages on a trip I usually see about the same consumption as on your screenless bike, works out to about 185km per charge which is satisfyingly close to the advertised range. I think "how far does it go?" is pretty much the second big question, usually after "is that electric?".

[@NewZeroland]

Nice! Yep, and "how far" is relative. Some people ride their Energicas over 1000km a day, which is more than most gas bikers do. We should start talking about distance in "hours spent riding" because this 200km ride took us 3 hours.

[@Brimstonewolf]

@@NewZeroland Yeah, I never really feel like my range limit is less than my human limit. My gas bike friends are starting to come around but they still don't much like spending 20 minutes in a supermarket carpark on a 230km ride (fair, I'd rather they were in nicer places too).

[@stevenb7319]

As to your question I think I’d like to cheat and say the lighter bike / faster charge with a streamlined shell. I feel like the bike weight would limit my enjoyment more than stopping to charge.

[@NewZeroland]

Haha interesting! The importance of aero and being lightweight has come up a lot in the comments here, so I hope somebody at Energica is listening! I'd love that bike too :D

[@Svihak177]

Veery nice ride there and great vid as always. Do you have please any idea of average speed during the whole ride? I'm just curious hiw big part was highway, what speeds are you making. Over here in Europe we do even on country roads 100-110km/h legally. One fellow german said that average long distance ride speed with his Esse9+ (21kWh) is about 50km/h including charging. That seems a bit low to me.

[@NewZeroland]

Yep this 180km ride took about 3 hours (mostly because of the slow speeds on the mountain and through the city) so our average speed was 60km/h. If you somehow had a charging station ON the highway and went immediately up to 100km/h and stayed there until 0%, I think your range would be closer to 160-180km.

[@ariespain6472]

Was it her wind screen or her weight that made her have more range left or is it both?

[@NewZeroland]

Most likely her size. Our weights are really close, so her being smaller + the windscreen helps make her more aerodynamic.

[@ariespain6472]

What’s your height difference?

[@NewZeroland]

@@ariespain6472 she's 5'5 and I'm 6'2

[@willburk]

Do you know of any videos/websites comparing the Eva Ribelle to the SRF/S on a track?

[@NewZeroland]

Good question.. I know Zero races their SR/F at the ReFuel events, and it does really well until the motor overheats. Energicas started out as race bikes, so there isn't anything better on the track.

[@elbowsout6301]

Great video! I would love to have an Energica but they aren't for sale in Canada yet. I could take a quick trip to New England in the US and pick one up but I called my insurance company and they said they couldn't insure it if it's not for sale in Canada... lame. Love your channel though eventually Energica will get here I'm sure.

[@NewZeroland]

Hey thanks! There are a few people in Canada who have imported Energicas privately.. not sure who they've insured with though. One is in Montreal and another is in Vancouver. I'll try and find out more!

[@elbowsout6301]

That would be awesome if you could find that out for me. I'm in Nova Scotia and looking at our charging infrastructure and my riding habits the Energica checks all the boxes.

[@monkeysezbegood]

Bikes sound sweet. Love them. Huge battery!

[@NewZeroland]

Cheers! Another vote for huge batteries 😁

[@monkeysezbegood]

@@NewZeroland to be honest if I was buying I'd go smaller. I don't mind a few stops.

[@marcleber3702]

Hey Sam! Looking at getting my first bike soon. Would you recommend getting a smaller cc gas bike before switching to an energica?

[@NewZeroland]

Hey Marc! Nah, if you can find a used Zero, I'd go for that. Like a 2017 Zero S or something. It depends where you're from and how you want to ride though. A Super Soco TC Max is also a great choice for commuting. I feel like starting on a gas bike in 2022 is like learning about steam engines 😂

[@marcleber3702]

@@NewZeroland perfect! I had thought about Zero since I live in the USA, but honestly I’m just not impressed with their offerings since I wanted to use it for commuting (approx 100km one way). I’ll take a look, thanks!

[@NewZeroland]

@@marcleber3702 oh man, 60 miles one way is tricky. Really the only bike that can do that is a new Energica, and those are expensive. Some people have bought those as their first bikes, but I wouldn't suggest it 😂

[@matttorgersen9932]

I’m a bit curious about the range of your old Energica?

[@NewZeroland]

120-130km max on that one. I could never make this round trip without stopping to charge.

[@CRPerformance1]

I get about the same range as you, but I'm 6'3", 190 pounds, don't tuck, with handle bar risers and have a windscreen. I also have the old motor. Fun times.

[@NewZeroland]

Nice! You and Jenn are really making me want a want a windscreen.

[@CRPerformance1]

@@NewZeroland I think they look better too.

[@riichflame]

Hey Big Dog I have a 2021 Eva Ribelle, I can't figure out how to DC fast charge, the timer keeps timing out! Any advice?

[@NewZeroland]

Nice! It depends on the station. You probably need an account with whatever charging company it is, but then it should be as simple as plugging it in. Sometimes you have to start the charge before plugging it in. Let me know how it goes. Good luck!

[@Telhmaaa]

Hej Hello, i would love to change to elektric, saving cash like crazy but it takes so long..... one question... i know weight also affect range, and maybe more then the windscreen. What is the weight diference between your motorcycle with you on it. and your girfriends bike driving her motorcycle? Greetings ... Telhma

[@NewZeroland]

Yeah weight is definitely a factor, especially going uphill. We only have ~5kg difference between us, so most of it is our size difference (I'm physically larger, so I'm less aerodynamic).

[@Tothefloor]

200km is 124 Miles. For the people in the U.S.A, Liberia and Myanmar.

[@NewZeroland]

HAHA the UK, too. One of the few places to ride on the left and use metric for everything EXCEPT miles.

[@moestrei]

....they still use Miles? C'mon it's 2022.....🤣

[@anxiousappliance]

@@moestrei spends the same.

[@evolv.e]

Easy. Big 21.5 with DCFC for me. 🔋⚡️ More route choices and choosing when to stop and charge. Smaller batteries limit route choices and force the need for more stops. Big battery every time no doubt about it.

[@NewZeroland]

Truuuue that man. Great point. Big battery = freedom!

[@oplkfdhgk]

currently i would rather pick the smaller battery and fast charge but in future i would probably switch to long range and slow charge cus the battery energy density probably goes up alot so i don't think the weight is an issue then.

[@NewZeroland]

Yeah, I agree with you. A long enough range that you don't have to charge at all would be awesome!

[@audiencemember26008]

Long range slow charge or short range quick charge? If those extremes were my only option it'd be the lighter short range bike if supported by a good network of chargers everywhere. I can see it now, fun chats with other rider at rider stations while stretching the legs and having a can coffee from the vending machine.

[@NewZeroland]

Yeah man, I'm with ya. Hopefully as tech improves, we won't have to go back to a smaller battery (if the same capacity becomes lighter weight) and charging can stay fast. Conversations with other EV owners would be so much better with vending machines!

[@TheRealAlpha2]

I'm with you on the short range fast charge, but mostly because most places I go that require a vehicle are no more than a hour away from me maximum. If I did travel 200km/125mi I think I'd really want the larger battery though assuming I couldn't just charge up at a Tesla "pump" since they're every where here (other charge stations still don't have as much of a presence,) but don't they still charge super slow for anything but an actual Tesla, which makes them sort of a non-factor?

[@NewZeroland]

Yeah great point. I really hope the superchargers open up here soon to all other CCS vehicles. Each location has sooo many stations! Maybe the plan for manufacturers is to get electric range on par with gas, and then sort out the fast charging / infrastructure.

[@TheRealAlpha2]

@@NewZeroland I feel like getting the charging better set up first would encourage more electric vehicle purchases. Because like you said the biggest concern for people is how far you can go, because everyone has range anxiety and fears being stuck because they drove too long without stopping to top off, even if the fears are unfounded it's the way people think. But if they see they can charge every 50 feet if they wanted to that all changes.

[@NewZeroland]

@@TheRealAlpha2 that's a great point, and that's probably why Tesla has been so successful.

[@crankyoldenstein3467]

What’s 200km in American? Do you have to consider the strength of the yen? Kidding. 124 real world miles is damn good.

[@NewZeroland]

Bwahaha yeah give or take 124 Muricans. More if you cruise in the city, less if you take it to the track.

[@Beakerzor]

530 lb bike?! is that right? wow, I need to work my way up to a bike that heavy - I'm a total noob

[@Beakerzor]

does it feel hefty? are you used to such heavy bikes?

[@NewZeroland]

I think it's 570lbs.. and it doesn't feel too heavy actually. All the weight is mounted down low, so it feels similar to a 750cc or something.

[@haknys]

Shorter range (within reasons), fast charging. Daily, you do not need all the range. Its lighter. Cheaper. And you still needs some stops on trips anyway. Greetings from Norway. ☺️

[@NewZeroland]

I agree! Lighter and cheaper is what will get more people riding electric motorcycles. Cheers man!

[@valskppr]

I have a 2021 Eva Ribelle. I get about 115miles of mixed riding. If I ride above 85mph though my range drops to about 90miles. I’m 170lb and have the wind screen. Outside temperature as well as wind direction has meaningful impact on range. I have to correct for wind/temp when I plan my rides.

[@NewZeroland]

Nice! I'm 170lbs too so we probably get similar range. I don't ride above 65mph on the street anymore though. Sadly our speed limits here are super low and strictly enforced.

[@valskppr]

@@NewZeroland I live north of Houston, TX, so there are plenty of county/farm roads that are empty and allow for more spirited riding. The other thing about range is regen brake settings. I went to Austin to and when you are at highway speeds it definitely helps to be on low regen. High regen works for city riding but robs you of range on longer stretches of highway riding. I owned a Livewire first, and the Eva Ribelle is a step up in range and DC fast charging. The lack of Level 2 charging on the Livewire (only charges at Level 1, which is @ 1kW vs the Eva @ 3kW) and the smaller battery was the deal breaker for me. The Eva has more torque too and the acceleration is reminiscent of my Tesla. Anyway, I enjoy watching your channel and while you don’t know me I’ve been following you for a few years. The scenery in NZ is insane. So jealous. Wish you all the best and keep’em coming!

[@NewZeroland]

@@valskppr cheers man! Wow, so you come with the rare experience of having owned a Livewire and gone to Energica. I thought it was only Zero riders that made this jump haha. Those are both great bikes so I'm glad to hear your take on them. And yeah low regen for coasting on the highway is totally the way to go. Thanks again for watching! It really means a lot :D

[@Causemoi]

@@NewZeroland I'd like to hear more about your experience with how you customized your Zero for regen, torque etc. I'm still not sure what is better for highway, twisties & city driving on my 2016 SR.

[@NewZeroland]

@@Causemoi same deal with all EVs. Coasting is better for highway/long trips to maximize range, and regen is good if you're in start/stop traffic or going down a hill.

[@twrcrew8852]

how IS the wind constantly socking you in the chest and face, now that you have my bike? lol. as compared to the Ego I mean. I look forward to owning a 2021+ Ego (however far off that will be since I just bought my Eva last year)

[@NewZeroland]

Haha man I definitely miss the front fairing. Riding upright isn't nearly as comfortable. Time to modify it!

[@trinidadtheislandman4065]

I think I would agree with you. A small battery, quick charge time sounds good to me. I'm looking at the new MINI SE with a battery range of 114 miles and a 30 minute charge time to ~80% at the fast charging station. Then just during a normal stop at the grocery I could charge up to nearly full for free, while grabbing some stuff at the market. 🤗

[@NewZeroland]

Nice! Those electric mini's are awesome. Great choice!

[@bunnyboy0542]

I rather have a bigger battery and longer range longer charge times besides Energica you app you can set up what percentage you want your battery to go up to so it can balance your battery. I know at least you can change your battery on the app percentage you want to charge up to. Also it is nice to have the option to charge your battery at home with this motorcycle and it isn't extra like the zero and has better range acceleration and look to the bike & charging time. It isn't for everyone but for someone who loves electric this is for me.

[@NewZeroland]

Yeah! Absolutely. I would love a lighter bike, but this big battery is amazing. I can ride over 2 hours before I have to stop 😂

[@bunnyboy0542]

@@NewZeroland that is really good I saw on other reviews they go like 88 miles but like you said it varies from rider to rider not only that electric charging is cheap. The pros of electric is more expensive but payoff like "charging battery will be a lot less" and less maintenance too.

[@bunnyboy0542]

plus instant torque and no clutch making it easier and safer if you know your bike. Plus its fun instant torque

[@memydogandbike9335]

yay i cought up with your videos....these twisty mountain roads look very nice to drive...although i prolly would drive on the wrong part of the track...as not used to sdriving on the left side :P

[@NewZeroland]

Haha wow you really have watched all my videos 😂😁 It took a while to get used to riding on the other side. Any time we go back to California to visit family I either pull out the wrong way or hit the windshield wiper instead of the turn signal.

[@memydogandbike9335]

@@NewZeroland in an energica whatsapp group here in NL someone said they put a yellow sticker on the correct side to ride on the windscreen...so they remeberd wich lane to use (when they went to the UK for example). I will keep that im mind for when ever i visit a country that rides on the other side of the road as i think its a good "hack". cheers Matty

[@PossumDaddy]

Ya I definitely got to upgrade from my zero s to one of these

[@NewZeroland]

They're game changers! I think you'd really like an Energica :D

[@moonshinethics]

Wait did you account for the weight difference between you and Jen? Does that have an effect on power use?

[@NewZeroland]

It does have an effect but not much, and our difference is only 5kg (12lbs). It's mostly aero, which would make sense because I'm physically bigger than her, even when I tuck. We added saddle bags to her bike and they completely removed any range benefit the windscreen had.

[@moonshinethics]

@@NewZeroland Oh yea 12 lbs isn't much at all. I figured it would be mostly about pushing through the atmosphere or climbing. I think at this time in my life I would prefer a heavier bike with more range. But it would have to be like ≈ 100mi more range than the smaller bike with fast charge. Like I would be up for a 600-650lbs bike with a 250mi (hard riding/freeway speeds) range. The lower center of gravity does make quite the difference, I had a honda nc750x dct for a bit and have test road a few zeros but my concern would be if I did drop it. I dropped my honda once and it was a beast to pick up alone. I'd rather be able to go for a long slow cruise ride and hit the twisties at my old man pace of just having fun. I'm fine with Jen knuckle sized chicken strips 😂

[@NewZeroland]

@@moonshinethics Haha yeah, cruising is the best. Range definitely depends a lot on your speed, and on fun twisty backroads at lower speeds we can get 150 miles pretty easily. I think 250 miles would require different gearing and lots of aero, but it's possible. I've found that even in our Tesla, we can only drive for 3 hours before we'd want to take a break anyway, so that's a good goal for the bikes. If they can do 3 hours before charging up, I'm cool with that.

[@moonshinethics]

@@NewZeroland Oh yes I was kinda meaning that type of range in more of a dream set up if we had the tech. But if we're going for the tech currently available then I would have the same opinion muwhaahaahaaaaa. No but that is a good point about fatigue, yea 3 hours is a good gauge I'd agree. But sometimes I've done road trips with like one good 5-6hr stint and that's more so what I'm saying is it sorta like 'I'd rather have it [range] and not need it then need it and not have it'. I'd love to see some variations come soon in the electric world, Like an electric Goldwing type or somethings comparable to a ktm 790 adventure or the Yama tenere 700, and my dreaaaam ride an electric maxiscooter

[@anxiousappliance]

The bikes weight around 600lbs - is a 50lbs weight difference going to be 10%? Maybe a tiny percent, but most energy is used pushing through air.

[@c.a.marsupial.1282]

You know that seems like a great bike but that name will be very hard for people to remember. But 200km is a fantastic range. What is the price if you don't mind. PS great video.

[@NewZeroland]

Cheers! They're about $23k usd. Most people don't even pronounce Energica correctly so hopefully my videos help haha.

[@willman18696]

Please tell me how you lost your license?

[@NewZeroland]

I talked about it a few videos back if you want to watch that, but I was going way above twice the speed limit here and lost my license for a month.

[@Glen799]

where can i buy one?

[@NewZeroland]

Where are you located? Australian Electric Motor Co is the best place in this part of the world.

[@eubikedude]

Product idea: compressed air powered generator for emergencies at filling stations. :)

[@NewZeroland]

Hahaha one of these days some inventor will build an air-powered motorcycle, and then the military will buy his idea, shelve it, and the inventor will quietly disappear 😂😳

[@erikstephens34]

I would love to see a proper electric sport touring bike with wind protection that is designed with aerodynamics in mind. I see lots of naked electric bikes. But that makes for very dirty air with a rider. Also a lot of electric bikes appear to be tuned for torque. I'd rather see a powertrain tuned for better mid-high end performance/efficiency. That way you would get better realistic ranges. As for the question of charging speed vs. range. I'm in-between. The sweet spot is ~2 hours of riding with ~20mins of charging. Most of the group riding I have done have typically followed this pattern and I think it's possible with today's EV tech.

[@NewZeroland]

Nice! Yeah these bikes do something similar to that.. about 2 hours for 30min of charging. With aero I think they'd get to where you want them. Hopefully Energica comes out with a touring bike in the future!

[@erikstephens34]

@@NewZeroland Agreed, I'm Canadian so I hope Energica plans to sell in Canada in the near future as well as their technology is very nice.

[@anxiousappliance]

The Energica Experia has answered your dreams!! Not bad for a one month wait.

[@erikstephens34]

@@anxiousappliance The Experia is pretty darn close to what I would want. I'm very tempted to try to get one. I live in Canada and Energica unfortunately doesn't sell in Canada. But I'm not too far from some dealers in the USA so it might be possible to import. The Experia appears to be a bike that's trying to be an adventure and touring bike in one. I kind of wish they did what Honda did and used the same platform to make a Africa Twin like bike and a NT1100 like bike so it didn't have as many compromises by making it two bikes in one.

[@PaulWayper]

I'd rather have the longer range with a slower charge, because maybe I stop for lunch and charge up but it's better than having to stop riding every half an hour to charge. The thing with batteries is: charging speed comes down to the 'C' charging rating of the battery. Think of the C rating as a multiplier on your battery pack size. As the size of the pack goes up, the charging rate also goes up. Cells with a higher C rating can charge faster but cost more. So a larger battery is also a faster-to-charge and cheaper battery. Science, eh?

[@NewZeroland]

Kinda.. it depends how the pack is set up. Energica packs increased in capacity from 13.4kWh to 21.5kWh but they still only charge at ~23kW. They probably limit it for safety reasons. If they figure out a better cooling method to allow for faster charging, that would change everything!

[@OmegaTryce]

4:00 hilarious!

[@NewZeroland]

😂😁

[@Chickenheart93]

Bro we definitely blow through charge in the twisties!

[@NewZeroland]

Hahaha I knew you were the real Max Wrist, Ed.

[@Chickenheart93]

@@NewZeroland lol! Nah I’m the slow poke! However, Daren, Patrick and Gabe definitely heat up the Tires!

[@gautearefjord]

Temperature please

[@NewZeroland]

Somewhere between 15-20C? Not too cold, not too hot.

[@rickrides8352]

400 K is probably doable in Eco-mode. Speed = killing the range, so max 90 Km/h does the trick I guess (but I prefer rain mode when I want to get as much as I can from one charge).

[@NewZeroland]

Yeah I love rain mode for trips, but also cruise control. That's been such a game changer, and I'm embarrassed to admit how much I like it 😂

[@MilesBellas]

3:00 Hydrogen bikes next?! The Mirai reviews online are fascinating : fill the gas tank at 10,000psi ! NZ has ocean water and sunlight. Maybe industrial scale hydrogen could be generated by solar panels and seawater!?!!

[@NewZeroland]

Bwahaha unfortunately hydrogen doesn't make sense at this scale. The refueling infrastructure is non-existent, the efficiency of making it / extracting it / however they decide to do it isn't as good or clean as just putting electricity into a battery, and it isn't something you can refuel at home.

[@MilesBellas]

@@NewZeroland Science Daily a few days ago: Green technology breakthrough: Hematite photocatalyst using sunlight energy simultaneously produces hydrogen and hydrogen peroxide Date:April 27, 2022Source:Kobe University NZ has 4 Mirais 3/4/2022 Toyota New Zealand has commenced what it says it is “the first commercial application of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles in NZ”: a car-sharing programme with eight prominent Kiwi companies. A fleet of four Toyota Mirai models are being shared between The Warehouse, Air NZ, Saatchi & Saatchi, TVNZ, Westpac, Spark and Z Energy. The vehicles are a mixture of first and second-generation models and are accessed via Toyota’s City Hop car-share service.

[@MilesBellas]

@@NewZeroland Meanwhile the NZ PM was just in Japan extolling the virtues of hydrogen while a new hydrogen initiative was started in Auckland with 4 Toyota Mirais driving around. Future video potential? Ride up to Auckland and test drive the Mirais?!

[@gerryatric7045]

Definitely short range fast charge! Here in the UK charging infrastructure is improving especially since Elon opened up tesla chargers to any EV. I don't currently own an EV but i'm looking at getting something soon. My experience with petrol motorcycles is that on most rides out we never cover more than 100miles (160k's) without a break anyway so a range around 80-100 miles with 5-10 minute charge would be ideal. great channel, keep the video's coming :)

[@NewZeroland]

Thanks man! Yeah I feel exactly the same. With gas bikes, there are stations to refuel all over the place, so it feels like your range is "unlimited".. so people want more range on an electric motorcycle than they would realistically need. Even going on long trips, anything more than 200 miles a day means you're missing stuff.

[@H4n583]

Nice comparison. In my experience a windscreen does nothing. Could be Jen's height of weight difference doing the magic here. Next time swap bikes to proof I'm wrong (or not) 😁

[@NewZeroland]

What! That's wild. Maybe it's my gearing then?? Could my 15 tooth front sprocket vs. her 16 tooth front sprocket make this kind of difference?

[@moestrei]

I own an old Moto Guzzi 850T3 FB (Ex police). It has a massive windscreen and without it the bike uses 7L/100km instead of 6L/100km.

[@H4n583]

@@NewZeroland I was thinking of height mostly. Like you say in the video Jenn is getting 80 wh/km and you get 100 until you tuck in when you also get 80. Tucking in I get 10% or more gain so that is matching your experience. I didn't see what speed you were testing on but you also have the EMCE and I don't. I get roughly "current speed = consumption Wh/km" so I would have to limit to 100 kph to get your 100 Wh/km. If you were going faster EMCE is looking to be more efficient like they promise for higher speeds. The different sprocket of the RS should result in a different RPM on equal speeds. So yes could indeed work against you here but not for 10 or 20%.

[@gmy33]

Great !!!

[@AlexDenton0451]

Between this and planes I’m pretty sure I’ve got two hyper expensive hobbies I wanna get into lol. Any advice for someone looking to get into it? I feel like it’s gonna be years before I can realistically be in a spot to own anything even half the price of this lol.

[@NewZeroland]

That's a tough one.. there are cheaper electric motorcycles out there like used Zeros. That could be a good place to start just to get into it. Energicas are like the Porsche Taycan of motorcycles 😂

[@AlexDenton0451]

@@NewZeroland Haha! I'll likely wait until I can afford an Energica, as I would prefer to support a company who properly supports its customers with repairs and maintenance. Thanks a ton man!

[@NewZeroland]

@@AlexDenton0451 good call! I like it 😁

[@RandysRides]

So, if there was quick charge, you could basically ride all day like everyone else. Pretty much everyone takes a break every couple hours on a road trip.

[@NewZeroland]

Yep, agreed. My old Ego could go for about an hour and charge up in 15 minutes.. ride for another hour.. charge for 15 min. That felt great but I was still limited by the amount of charging stations. If there were more, I guess that'd be a solid option.

[@RandysRides]

@@NewZeroland That WOULD be awesome. I'm embarrassed to say, but I ride for an hour and charge for six. hahahaha !!! sigh

[@MrNobody_1618]

Yes 200 km is a good range I would not want to ride more without stopping. So with dc charging you can easily do 400 km in a day. But the problem is the weight..

[@NewZeroland]

I think 1000km a day isn't too hard 😂 The weight is a lot on paper but in real life it feels amazing.

[@MrNobody_1618]

@@NewZeroland yes but there is still room for improvement ! Maybe with the 4680 battery technolgy we will see lighter motorcyle with same capacity.

[@NewZeroland]

@@MrNobody_1618 true! That would be amazing. Then we'd get even more range!

[@LexSummer]

Brah... I did with my EGO 13,5 kw/h 220km 100 - 0% until the message apears "Battery depleted" if you don't ride agressive you should easy get 300km+ on that bike.

[@NewZeroland]

Yeah man! Riding at 50km/h will get 300km+ easy haha. I just don't want to do that XD

[@LexSummer]

@@NewZeroland haha me not also. usualy i have les range... but i "could" go far

[@MalcolmRobbins]

Great video great bike real life distances I am now going to test drive same as your partners bike soon and order with screen bags etc 👍

[@NewZeroland]

Thanks! Great idea. Have fun on it!