2022 Honda Civic Si Review - Is The Type R/S Worth the Extra $$$?

With an MSRP under $30K, is the 11th gen Civic Si the ultimate value proposition in the "fun daily" segment, or is it just an underpowered and underwhelming economy car?
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[@autostory7125]

It was an honor to be featured on the Zygrene channel. If you have any questions about the 11th gen Si, drop them below, and I'll try my best to answer them. @autostory7125

[@Savethemanuals94]

Blame the dealer not the car

[@royaltyallen1162]

What's the road name? I wanna try it out

[@1anre]

You're right man. My 22' Si is one of the best all round daily performance practical mobile a guy can get and still giggle with while performing mundane duties for the family.

[@cmbiker]

I just got the 2024 Civic Si in sonic gray last week and love the car so far. First standard in 30 years. I was lucky to get mine at just $250 over MSRP with 2 years of free oil changes and tire rotations thrown in from my local Honda dealer. I shopped around in my area and most dealers wanted anywhere from 1K to 5K over MSRP. I had to haggle like hell to get the deal I got, but I'm glad I persevered.

[@st4xor]

Love my '20, but i bought it before the world went to shit. Appreciate it more and more the longer ive had it. Rear motor mount (little more engine noise), springs, sway bar, and acuity shifter bits have all been killer. Aftermarket support is one area where the Honda platform still appears to have an advantage over the EN. Anyway, if you can get one for MSRP and plan to keep it for a long time, i dont think youll be disappointed. And for everyone dealing with dealer markup BS i feel for you, stay strong

[@altiguy01]

I've had two 8th gen Si's that were two of my favorite cars I've owned. I shopped for a new Si, but most dealers near me in central FL simply wanted too much. Even used with 10-20k miles were going for above msrp of a new model. I checked out the integra and liked it, but didn't love it. I ended up with a civic hatch sport touring 6mt at msrp and feel like it strikes a pretty good balance. With our flat, local roads, I'm not missing the LSD or the 20 extra hp, but I'm loving the hatch space, the digital instrument cluster, the heated seats (bad back), and personally find the Civic interior more attractive. Really can't go wrong with any 11th gen based vehicle.

[@ValkenDnB]

Do you miss the charm and high revving engine of the 8th gen?

[@SleeperHonda]

This civic has a decent look to it! Kinda like the rear more than the FL5

[@FCustureri]

I think another big issue is there isn't much head room for the aftermarket to easily bring the power up compared to it's competitors. The 1.5t motors have been known for bending rods with just bolt-ons and a tune at times, and at least one local engine builder refuses to touch them due to other design issues

[@FlatsixSTM]

Nice review! My three car garage holds a 991.2 GT3 Touring, a 993 C4S, and the Si. Love my 22 Si. I daily it and the chassis, gearbox and comfort are great, it’s plenty peppy around town and for passing on the highway. Easily holds my young family of four plus luggage for road trips. I got mine for MSRP plus a few grand in dealer package add ons. I still found it to be a pretty good deal for what you get. FYI I believe the dyno numbers put the Hp closer to 225hp. Keep up the good work, cheers!

[@1anre]

Your car garage is complete. You are one lucky bugger. Now you're going to let dust cover those porsches

[@FlatsixSTM]

@@1anre thanks man, I am really lucky to experience these cars. I may consolidate the 993 and Si into something else in the next few years. I consider the touring to be my “dead guy car.” We’ll see!

[@vivamia]

My 2023 SI is a fun and comfortable daily driver. My 2019 GT3 Touring is mostly for weekends or road trips w/ my Porsche friends.

[@1anre]

@@vivamia glad to hear that. You plan on modding the Si or stock forever?

[@vivamia]

No plans at the moment to mod the car. I wish it came with the summer tires though. After warranty I will consider a stage 1 tune, if I decide to keep it.

[@abdielinhov1586]

Can you do a review of the Integra A Spec Manual ? Similar to this

[@Aftershok128]

Your audio is panned slightly to the right which is really distracting for some who are sensitive to that, just a note. Enjoyed the review.

[@ranthony2714]

I currently drive a 2020 ilx. Lease ending soon and need to replace. The k24 2.4l engine has character, which I will miss. Power is ok at 201hp and 180lbs of torque. I can have a little fun, but it is no type s. Looking at the si, but not sure about the 1.5l engine. Is it enough?

[@dhizzle]

I was shopping for a Si, but the problem was that it was hard to find at MSRP. Most dealerships in the bay area were charging +5k markup. I decided to go with a Integra A-spec 6MT (under MSRP) instead, since the prices weren't that far off after that. Not the quickest car in terms of HP as mentioned, but it sure is fun to drive around!

[@PeterXp]

get prev SI instead. much better car (maybe not better looking though), adaptive dampers, heated front seats, even 5 more hp lol.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

I got my a spec under msrp too lol. Acura dealers also have a better warranty as well

[@1anre]

​@@PeterXpthe look of this 11th gen Si trumps the older gen look like a dinosaur. Sublime to drive

[@Pogona2011]

same here! Bay Area 23 Si for $35 K. Integra Aspec Tech 6MT for $33K. Its comfortable and fun on twisty canyon roads K, 4

[@xXReaperXx714]

@@ShaiyanHossain how much you pay out the door on it or how much you got off msrp

[@jaylonsorrells5139]

I have had an 11th gen Si for 8 months and it is my first new car. As someone in my mid twenties, it checks a lot of boxes while being super affordable to run. Looking forward to getting into autocross with this car! Also, I did pay MSRP but you definitely gotta work for it lol. Great video!

[@1anre]

The fact that you can carry your parents or silly chatty friends in it while driving and winning out that LSD as they hold on for dear life, made it an easy buy for me. Need to drive a GR86 though

[@jaylonsorrells5139]

@@1anre Exactly! I have had family and friends in the car with me while ripping it. It’s fun to be able to share that experience.

[@ElViperr408]

I have it and it’s super fun. Wanted a 2023 type r but those go for 60K+ here and honestly if I wanted to spend money on that I would have went with a different car brand.

[@asdpoi121]

Coming back to watch it again after getting it in the same color (yes at MSRP). Being a beginner enthusiast and mainly street driving, the power is more than enough(IMO).

[@rjhick1]

Completely agree. This is the best looking generation of Civics since the 90s EM generation imo. They are beautiful.

[@1anre]

EK9 was the best looking Civic before this FE1 11th gen

[@jacksonlandry4797]

I own this car and used the ‘individual’ mapping for increased throttle response with the regular steering weight. I found the increased weight is a little much for use around town

[@carsandcrows9921]

I'm sure it's a cost cutting measure, but I wish they had alignment pins on the fronts for camber adjustment.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

ive heard of people doing this on the type r, but if you remove the front strut pins you can gain marginal front camber, i wonder if its the same for si/integra

[@Hunedpcl7]

When I saw the title I thought it meant there was an rs package for the Si and I was like what is that? Haha.

[@basslover352]

How does it compare to a mk8 GTI?

[@foobird02]

Same power as Si going back to like 2002 - 20+ years. Better gas mileage and more weight. Would’ve kept my 9th gen if not for the Type R/Type S options.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

i have the a spec integra with the 6mt but i kinda wish they kept an NA k24 sometimes. but i cant complain about the 40+mpg and the mid range torque either

[@bigbodykarate6403]

@@ShaiyanHossain still getting wrecked by a 20k veloster N

[@ShaiyanHossain]

@@bigbodykarate6403 i find Velosters hideous and they're going for $25k+ where i live. I also think Hyundai's interiors are worse in comparison. If i really wanted to go fast with a used car Id have gotten a corvette

[@dimatanaka4884]

I’m curious how this drives when compared to the Integra A-spec. The A-spec actually has some creature comforts that the Type S is missing. If you could just squeeze out 20-30 hp with mods, it seems like you’d be getting a decent overall package, but I’m curious what you think as an Type S owner, and sb who has driven the Si and Type R.

[@Zygrene]

Still need to review an A-Spec. Seems very promising as a sporty daily.

[@JDMHMONGBOY96]

For almost $30,000 msrp and real world $35,000-$40,000 dealership prices, this Civic Si is a bust. Unfortunately pushed me away as a Honda customer

[@andynickles7505]

I test drove one but I preferred the rawness of my 2004 V6 manual Mazda6 decided to keep that and bought a 2022 Giulia with 40 miles for $37k (that MSRP’d for $54k). Way better deal imo than a civic… it is a automatic but it’s a ZF, rwd, 2.0T, adaptive cruise, premium sound, leather, 50/50 weight distribution, double wishbone front suspension, rear AC vents, no rev hang, etc.

[@maximus9401]

Same here. Long time Honda fan, still am, but they aren't getting my business. Went with the Elantra N instead

[@midengine210]

Same. Went with a new WRX for under MSRP instead.

[@Stclairm1]

These are definitely nowhere near 28-30k. Dealers add on thousands. Just priced one at $34 plus taxes, so $35 out the door. I can get a GTI for quite a bit less.

[@1anre]

Give 4 cars with a manual for the price brand new who beat it?

[@rcstreet]

I think Dublin Honda still wants $7k-8k markup. That pushes the SI into WRX Premium or WRX Limited price point.

[@1anre]

Both WRXs are ugly. Buy the car your soul really wants - The Si

[@albertofigueroa2461]

Sound very good men

[@hongkong322]

I want one so bad, but they are impossible to find

[@rickrobinson8417]

Looks solid but I miss when civics were small and lightweight.

[@motoMarineracer]

I wanted to purchase one but couldn't do the high markups. I ended up just getting a 22 wrx limited for below msrp.

[@brucesuitt993]

You have way more tuning potential with the wrx as well

[@1anre]

How do you manage with the atrocious look of the WRX? They should've just kept the 2021 frontend

[@motoMarineracer]

@1anre lol the looks actually grew on me especially when I got face to face to the car.

[@1anre]

@motoMarineracer Nah, sounds like what a mum will say to an ugly baby. They should have removed those side guards and made the front fascia pleasant. That would keep WRX owners who are never getting the STI ever again at least satisfied

[@GT-RTData9]

For the person who needs a car to be a car, this is the car for them.

[@mynmisoli]

Was looking at this for 2022 but for the same price of 36K I got a 2.0T Accord.

[@bucknut2000]

Has anyone bought this coming from an 8th gen si . What are the big differences , is the transmission that must better etc… I got an 8th gen and a gti and am replacing one of them

[@ValkenDnB]

Transmission is about the same. What you lose is the charm of the K20 and high revving engine from the 8th gen. You do gain more torque down low and a better interior/infotainment/sound system, better handling car. Personally I would keep the 8th but if you’re tired of it the 11th gen isn’t a bad car if you can actually get it at or very close to MSRP.

[@jeininja]

will trade in my 10th gen for the last iteration of this model 😅

[@jayczyzyk9707]

Make sure u give the car ahead one month notice before passing

[@ShaiyanHossain]

i really like what they did with the 11th gen, but the USDM Si loses on a LOT of creature comforts the previous car had, and good luck trying to get one for MSRP. they're marked up to the point you might as well get the better featured Integra A spec or the much faster Elantra N

[@maximus9401]

Yup literally what I did. Was not able to find any Civic Si without a markup other than one dealer who had a 3 year wait-list for it. Forget it, just got myself an Elantra N. Deal of the decade for FWD sport compact cars

[@1anre]

The N is ugly. I don't know know why you guys bring it and the WRX even into the conversation

[@ShaiyanHossain]

@@1anre looks are subjective, and Si markups make it cost more in the real world than those two. I was quoted $35-40k for Si in my part of NY State. One dealer had the audacity to list a 1500 mile Si for $38k While WRXes and N went for msrp. I think the N and VB wrx are ugly too but theres no lyong about the performance for the money, and their availability on lots. The N specifically is also not that much slower than the Type R either...

[@1anre]

@@ShaiyanHossain Notjing subjective about an ugly car. Don't conflate 2 different things. A car being ugly is ugly. A car being marked up by dealers is being marked up. A car with a slight markup can't make me buy an ugly car instead. I'd rather work hard and afford it or wait till the price drops

[@sippinthattea8064]

I got msrp + shipping cost on my 23 si but it took two months of shopping around had to put down a 500 payment to reserve it and wait for Honda to build it about 35 days I would call dealership and ask if they have any coming in that I can reserve push for msrp telling them when the car comes it’s already sold so nothing more for them to do that’s how I got mine

[@harrymajarian9680]

It’s crazy because I had a 2005 Chevrolet cobalt SS which back then had a more power than this with a 2 liter supercharged and it only cost $21k brand new. Cars in this category basically just got way more expensive but performance hasn’t gone up at all to reflect it. Just a little bit more tech

[@darksunrise8777]

The FE1/FL5 Civics look much better than the old ones. Just wish this car made 240-250 hp NA with a RWD chassis (similar to the E36 M3 sedan). Would be incredible at this price point! Love my BRZ, but I'd trade it in for a comparable sedan version in a heartbeat.

[@Zygrene]

Civic and RWD are contradictory terms, but I agree. I'd buy that in a heartbeat too.

[@1anre]

When was the last time an Si was RWD, man? 240hp is a more reasonable ask, but it might canibalize Type R sales, so Honda had to be tricky. The GR corolla 1.6L pushes 300hp, so i knows its physically possible

[@darksunrise8777]

@@1anre I get that it doesn't make sense for Honda since the Si shares the same chassis as the base Civic and there's no way Honda will put RWD in their budget commuter car, but I wasn't talking about feasibility. RWD and more power is simply what I'd want in a Civic Si at this price point, even if Honda won't do it.

[@SIIKAP1]

@@1anrethey shouldn’t worry about it cannibalizing type R sales. The CTR is much more limited and will always sell, hence the people paying absurd markups for them.

[@jayczyzyk9707]

When dynoed hp 220torque210

[@Veyronp87]

Si has been more and more watered down over the years. i wish they would put the old accord 2.0t engine in this instead of this 1.5. Honda has room to make the Si better since the Civic Sport also exists.

[@Ragnarok043]

Civic Sport doesnt have the torsen differential though

[@andynickles7505]

I thought the same. It was so numb feeling. I drove my 2004 Mazda6 V6 manual to the dealership and was like no way I’m buying the Si. The Mazda6 was way more raw and fun to drive and rev out.

[@j.t.553]

​@@andynickles7505damn. What a shame. Id keep your car as well wish I would have kept my 06 g35 sedan 6mt. I ended up with a 19 accord sport 2.0t 10 speed last year, only because I was trying to build my credit up for an Elantra N lol. Should check one of those out!

[@christopherjohnston6343]

Wouldn't the accord 2.0T literally just make this a type R?

[@1anre]

Tell you government not to use emissions to frustrate car enthusiasts. It's not Honda's fault. The 1.5T is peppy

[@rosa.gigantor]

I was interested in these until I saw they were all marked up so much, such a bummer as it definitely ruins the value. pound-for-pound I'd prefer an earlier model with a bigger NA engine but those too go for crazy high prices on the used market across all gens

[@Zygrene]

Agreed, I would not pay more than 1-2k markup for an 11th gen Si. It's a great car but hard to justify in the mid 30's. The engine is a bit too underwhelming.

[@1anre]

Markups aren't really a thing in Sept 2023, pull the plug on a car you want or you just keep complaining

[@docfmf8404]

Either honda sells direct to consumers or put their foot down and police dealerships price gouging, still seeing ridiculous markups on SIs

[@TRDRBR]

You can run a tune on it and add 70hp

[@604parkour]

if you don’t need the sedan (most people don’t) the Veloster N would be a much better choice.

[@ChrisHondaProductions]

Unfortunately the adjustment keeps it from being a bargain, the Honda dealer by me wants 42k I can buy a used r smh pls someone do something about this ! Honda are you listening?

[@MK3504]

35K for a Si or 34K for EN at MSRP. Si is a good fun commuter but needs to be sub 30K for it to be anything more than an overpriced and anemic car

[@1anre]

The Canadian spec more than makes up for the price. It also looks miles miles better than the N

[@Marbind]

In the real world, this car is hard to get at MSRP. If you truly are looking for value and fun. Elantra N 6mt is the right choice.

[@oraclemiata845]

I agree, but the EN is a class above this car.

[@Marbind]

@@oraclemiata845 right. But that isn’t the issue. The problem is that in many places they cost the same.

[@chrislo2007]

This right here. It's just so unfortunate that imo the Elantra N is so goddamn ugly. But I would still get that over the SI

[@Marbind]

@@chrislo2007 yup you are right there. The EN is difficult to look at.

[@1anre]

Not with that look it isnt

[@ninamorgan1316]

He compared a type s to a SI, a fair comparison to say would be the integra aspec tech package which is the only way to get manual

[@mengx94]

I think you missed the point of the video

[@ninamorgan1316]

@@mengx94 no, I got the point but when he says the Type-S has this vs an SI that's not a fair comparison, that's all. A type-s is comparable to the type-R

[@1anre]

​@@ninamorgan1316you missed the point He wnated Si guys to see the bang for the buck they got compared to Type S pricing

[@jansefran1752]

It is worth every penny ... Type R is the best new car for that money. Period. It has NO direct rival. That is the FACT. / Dear Honda : RESPECT - you did it again ... GREAT CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!👍✌💪🙏🚙🏎🚀⏰🏆🥇☯🔆♾

[@duck8280]

I’m a huge Honda fan, had Si’s and FL5 Type R/Integra, and Type S teggy- I personally would get the GTI over the Si all day. It just has way more punch, and less rev hang. Obviously Si will hold its value better though, but the 1.5 just ain’t enough imo

[@1anre]

Punch isn't everything. Most reviewers have said the GTI is not a good overall package compared to the Si

[@thaydathroeun8678]

is the gti reliable?

[@corybureau4124]

@@thaydathroeun8678NOPE hah

[@saiyan2525]

Heavier, longer wheel base, no adaptive dampers… I think the previous gen is better

[@1anre]

What benefit foes adaptive dampers give you really? How many times do you use it compared to a well tuned ans bakance suspension?

[@chillbeats1337]

For 30k, there are so many cars that are more fun to drive, practical and faster. For example, the Mazda CX-30/ or Mazda 3 hatchback turbo very similar price range as the civic si but might be cheaper because you can get those under sticker and they have a lot more power. It's a fun car but for the price, there are a lot better options than the 2022 civic si in 2023 where you can get a much better value of fun out of. 200hp with almost no options compared to other cars in the price segment, terrible value.

[@1anre]

Rubbish alternatives you provided. No one takes a Mazda over an Si else its a Miata

[@basslover352]

Civic SI is a fun car regardless of the lack of hp. At least offer manual alternatives like brz, gr86, GTI, WRX not some auto slush box non sports cars like the Mazda 3 turbo.

[@chillbeats1337]

I promise you, if you didn't know what brand you were driving and drove the civic si and a mazda 3 turbo back to back, you wouldn't think the civic si at 30k was worth it. There is a brand bias for sure.@@basslover352

[@333KINGPIN33]

Would you not give this video title to the upcoming 2024 Elantra N? Honda pedigree vs Korean.. hmmm

[@Zygrene]

Assuming MSRP, the Elantra N is the better performance car while the Civic Si is the better daily with a dose of sportiness.

[@bigbodykarate6403]

not worth 30k AT ALL , you can get so many vehicles that out perform it and are just as reliable for less . honda is a straight up rip off these days . the si motor is dirt cheap too its a 1500 to 2k dollar motor and they are over charging the FK outta us for nothing .

[@thaydathroeun8678]

facts

[@Pokka676]

Best bang for buck is the civic sport 2.0 engine

[@ShaiyanHossain]

The sport hatchback isn't much cheaper than this, and the Si is better optioned for driving hard- more power, lsd, better trans, better seats Also gets the bettee infotainment too But rhe sport hatch is more practical so...

[@1anre]

With no LSD?, NO thank you

[@Pokka676]

@@1anre LSD with oil dilution no thank you.

[@davidzebar6876]

The issue isn't the power but that soulless blender that passes for a motor. It's boring, sounds awful, and blows up when you mod it. All for 0 power gains from the 8th Gen. I really wonder why you would ever get this when you can get an 8th Gen for way less and have a much more fun experience that's been proven on the race track

[@1anre]

Until you drive one and feel it first hand, dont bad mouth it

[@davidzebar6876]

@@1anre I've driven the Integra A-spec which is the same car. I think I can make a safe assumption when the car is almost exactly the same. It's a good car but the L15 engine is garbage. Do some research on it and you'll see how grossly underbuilt it is for this application

[@dukmahsik]

Should have come with 2.0 turbo

[@christopherjohnston6343]

That would literally just be a Civic Type R

[@1anre]

​@@christopherjohnston6343100 percent Wonder why guys cant fo the maths that a company cant use the same engine for their flagship car and the next in line to the throne

[@chrisydarg1268]

4:10 wtf man, trying to shift to 1st doing atleast 10mph. Only saying that after watching you minutes earlier go to redline vs shifting and trying to carry speed? 5:25 yes, that is why you feel you need to beat on it.. your driving style isn`t my style.

[@aadetale]

A modern SI shouldn’t have less horsepower than an S2K

[@Highlander1432]

Dang i thought these would be around $22k-$26k Not worth buying a car right now guys Wait for recession next year

[@basslover352]

No recession will make new cars drop 8k lol. Civic SI was low 20's 15 years ago.

[@Highlander1432]

@@basslover352 Deflation is a thing $30k for a Civic si is absurd Do not pay a penny over MSRP The demand is not what the dealers are trying to tell us

[@basslover352]

​@@Highlander1432When have new car msrps ever decreased? Only a few examples of evs that have done so and Nissan 370z from what I recall. It's true we may be able to get below MSRP again but we aren't in 2010 anymore where sports compacts were low to mid 20's.

[@Highlander1432]

@basslover352 When they're trying to clear lots off they'll sell for whatever they have to

[@aaromon43]

the SI should have been a lift/hatch. sedans are useless.

[@Zygrene]

I'd prefer a hatch as well, but at least the 11th gen Civic sedan has a pretty spacious backseat and trunk

[@1anre]

It would've been ugly and too much off a Type R copycat Im happy Honda made it a sedan, so the Type R coukd really stand apart by itself

[@1anre]

@@gr7523 no one wants a hatchback Si, leave that to folks who can fork out the cash for the Type R

[@Gargamoth]

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