2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee L review // In a class of its own...

[@bakirdawood]

I can see that Andrea is getting more comfortable flooring it and zack is getting more scared every time

[@Sanpedranoazul]

🤣🤣

[@haider0o0]

Lmao

[@mowcowbell]

Just picked up a '23 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Overland with the 5.7L V8. We test drove both the V6 and V8, and the V8 was by far the superior choice for the smooth power delivery. You do take a hit in fuel economy, but I felt that was worth the extra fuel.

[@highoctaneadventure]

I was looking for a regular length and a lower trim with the Hemi coming form a last gen V6 GC, but found a great deal on a 2022 L with the Hemi in Summit Reserve trim with a bit higher than average km (mostly highway). I was sold on the drive/handling for such an off-road capable vehicle. Agree about the Hemi. The V6 is more than adequate for sure but for the higher trims, the smooth power delivery of the Hemi with that fantastic ZF transmission gives it that luxury feel. The new hurricane engine should be a good replacement for the V8 in the future.

[@epeeist254]

I "wanted" a wrangler until I drove one. I am 6'5". Just too small for me to fit comfortably on long drives, and very expensive for a bare bones off roader. I looked at a Cherokee. Love the look, but the factory has shut down due to chip shortage and its due for a redesign. I ended up with a Grand Cherokee L Limited with lux group II and all other options. I love it. Can run fire roads, ghost town wagon trails and horribly broken Montana "pavement" and it is supremely comfortable. Coming out of a 2014 Camaro, I can't believe how good this thing is.

[@Andygp13]

I think the Grand Cherokee L is going to sell well. With a much lower price point and better looks. The Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer are too expensive.

[@desertsavagery]

I agree, but I feel they're targeted at the luxury market and they have a vastly superior (more comfortable) interior.

[@JohnnyErnestoCampino]

OMG my question was featured :D Great review! I would go for the short wheel base Grand Cherokee. Like its proportions and ease of use more.

[@andreaspencer9813]

You bet it was, thanks for participating! I would go for the short wheel base too, I don't need 7-seats.

[@HazardSports]

14:51 I appreciate your question and get why many people would feel that way. My answer is: The benefits of the top level GC off-road capability in my beloved “Mall Crawler” and the GCL appeals to someone like me. I live in NY near the top of a mountain 1mi up a 1 lane private gravel road. Snow storms can exceed QL2 height even though the bottom of the Mt gets a mere 6”. Neighbors get stuck in the drainage ditch trying to get home - and call me to tow them out. And on occasion I have had to take “alternate route” to avoid a fallen tree during the many rain storms we see. Yes, occasional and seasonal but with a 3yr old onboard it is nice to have the capability if an unplanned event or unexpected storm hits on the way home.

[@cbrown1232]

Just dropped off a 2 day rental of a Grand Cherokee L. Decent power and some very nice features (comfortable, adjustable and massaging front seats a huge plus) but for a vehicle costing $75K there’s way too much hard plastic in the interior, especially on the centre console and door panels. The button layout was very confusing as well - e.g no apparent way to control volume or audio select from the steering wheel buttons. And while the wireless Apple CarPlay is nice, do NOT use the wireless charging pad with a MagSafe iPhone/iPhone case. I was driving along using google maps when suddenly I lost CarPlay connectivity. Turns out the phone had overheated on the charging pad and shut down!

[@jrr3558]

Bonjour. As usual, the very best revews of the web among with British CarWow.... Those cars are aliens in Europe : you never see one of them. Salut from chilly Paris ( 9° this morning)

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you so much!

[@roadtrip2811]

Just bought 2023 grand Cherokee limited First, we had an issue with our trunk door being unevenly closed, which more likely will cause water damage, they fixed it under the warranty but it was not an easy task going through with dealerships, customer service, or the service center. Anyways after that issue was fixed, AC blew out hot air randomly, had to make an appointment with the dealer, and had to talk to Jeep customer care, going back and forth 8 times to the dealer, but it has not been fixed. All they saying is sorry, and to be patient, all I did was be nice and patient with the dealers and Jeep customer care. It’s been my worst nightmare won't buy anything from them ever again! Bbb

[@mar56cos]

Just grabbed a Black Overland for my wife. she loves it!

[@siquanwu3131]

I am seriously considering buying this one, looks amazing but worrying about the fuel economy

[@Robingriyaproperti]

Really love this car. I hope they can bring this to Indonesia 🇮🇩. It suits well for Indonesians because 7-seater cars are well loved.

[@ryanwarner7950]

What they don't say about the air suspension. I got an overland a couple years back. It is cool, it drops down to like 3 inches when you park, and lifts up to almost 1 foot in the highest setting which you can control. The catch is when you go over 25 mph, which is all the time, it automatically drops into Aero mode which is a significantly lower ride height than a standard grand Cherokee. I live in Minnesota, and I'm going 40mph in a snow storm and cheaper model Cherokees are passing me with ease because I'm plowing snow with my bumper. Also in 4wd that v6 is working hard to stay up to speed. Not enough power for that drivetrain, get the hemi option you'll want it. Surprisingly you get the same mpgs, but actually better mpg with the hemi in 4x4. No air suspension available......I say no problem. It is a softer ride, but your ride height is is that of a sedan. Kind of tricks people because you get an suv thinking your sitting up higher, but with the air ride your not.

[@theone4042]

You guys are becoming my favorite car reviewers. Keep up the great work.

[@Motormouth...]

Wow, thanks!

[@HazardSports]

I special ordered a ‘14 Summit 5.7L and have 166,000+mi on it and still love it like the day I bought it! But the “L” is growing on me. I agree the front grill should be a little taller though. I’m going for 300Kmi so the 2nd Gen “L” would probably be my next move 🤣. Thanks for the professional yet relaxed review! You two are polished and easy to watch!

[@JulezWinnfield]

I'd love to see this compared vs the Lincoln Aviator.

[@davidcarroll8735]

Summary Graphic at 15:31 is very helpful. Great review and brought out many points not covered elsewhere on YT!

[@Motormouth...]

Come on back for more...

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you so much, we appreciate the kind words.

[@harrismi7]

It looks great and the interior looks luxurious. The regular Grand Cherokee that came out today looks great too and has the 4XE powertrain, that is probably what I would get since I wouldn't need a 3rd row.

[@andreaspencer9813]

I don't need a 3rd row either and I would get the Grand Cherokee too. It looks amazing, I saw the footage and a 4xe as well, awesome!

[@bdawg8907]

I agree with Zack 100% on the looks, the grill needs to be taller and the lower intake needs to be scaled down and the overall side view is kind of blah so it being longer is not a great look. As for air suspension, I haven’t heard anyone say they love it when it’s -40 and the suspension is hard as a rock. I was going to buy a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk but the dealer talked me out of it partly due to the air suspension so I went with the Altitude. I just couldn’t wait for the GC refresh. There’s still companies out there that specialize in converting these air suspensions back to a conventional setup so that should say something.

[@SW20FL]

At 0:40 they said the Pentastar was reliable and then started laughing 😄. I chucked at that, but don't kill me, I know that the revised 3.6L Pentastars were great.

[@afzalshaikh2128]

That’s a really spacious 3rd. Jeep did a great job on this 👏🏽

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you!

[@denisbrisebois7658]

Awesome review Andrea & Zach. The new Grand Cherokee is truly the better looking one between the two model IMO. A+++

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you so much!

[@gregholloway2656]

Great review, guys! I hope “night life” isn’t going away. 👍 from BC

[@tuolumne9]

I LOVE nightlife!! Say it isn’t so

[@milkmanfitness]

Last comment, as a Genesis owner, 2015 Hyundai Genesis for many years now and I love my car, it’s been pretty reliable, I think I would get this over the GV80

[@batmore1]

Thanks for a great explanation of where the Grand Cherokee fits size wise with competitors. I was totally confused by the Grand Cherokee, Grand Cherokee L, Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer, now I am not!

[@Motormouth...]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ΓιώργοςΜαυρομιχάλης-ζ6ω]

@@Motormouth... test Audi rsq8

[@andreaspencer9813]

Awesome, so happy to hear the review was helpful.

[@ΓιώργοςΜαυρομιχάλης-ζ6ω]

@@andreaspencer9813 I want to ask a question. I see in your videos that you have tried two amazing cars, the new Cadillac escalade and the Mercedes gls 63 amg. which of the two is considered better or which one did you like best?

[@clintonbishop2245]

Quick note. This is a new platform and not shared with the Durango anymore. FCA hit the drawing board to develop a platform that will eventually accommodate an electric power train.

[@charlesdr1981]

What is the name of the platform?

[@clintonbishop2245]

@@charlesdr1981 A rework of the Giorgio. The Durango is still based on the Mercedes platform like the current Grand Cherokee. The newly launched Grand Cherokee (today actually) moves to the new platform.

[@Beer20001]

Awesome video Andrea and Zack! Also, I have say that I think Andrea has found her niche with doing car reviews and have agree with one of the commenters about the flooring the vehicles!

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you very much!

[@jimmulderig743]

Nice review

[@vette-4-life]

Always great reviews you two! 🔥❤️🔥

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you, we appreciate the kind words.

[@A3A4Tom]

You guys are amazing. Review the LWB version when the SWB debuts at the same day.

[@andreaspencer9813]

So nice, thank you very much!

[@minniesaab7255]

Bravo Andrea !

[@L1GHT119]

Great review! I’ve been waiting for the new Grand Cherokee redesign for awhile now . As a 3 Grand Cherokee prior owner: 2016 Pentastar , 2018 5.7 , SRT 2019 and 4 Tesla Performance owner , I am excited for the fully electric but will settle for the hybrid for now. I’ll wait upon that review and hope it a strong performer !!

[@siquanwu3131]

Grea review as always Zac and Andrea

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you very much!

[@thomasalagna9354]

Great review guys, very detailed as usual.

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you so much!

[@thomasalagna9354]

Look forward to your reviews. Have a great day.

[@limpunsing224]

Pleasant video review

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you!

[@wendylees4382]

Would love to see you do a review of the 2 row Grand Cherokee.

[@gillesjacques1022]

I had a cherokee decades ago, to disengage the 4x4, you had to drive in reverse until the light went off telling you it was disengaged. Depending on how the vehicle was that day, sometimes you had to back it up a good distance.

[@michaelwiebe4282]

Excellent, well-made review!

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you very much!

[@deepthoughtswithjessica]

I have the top tier trim level of the JCL and it’s incredible.

[@andreaspencer9813]

Awesome, thanks for sharing!

[@kellingtonlink956]

I can’t wait to see one. They definitely look somewhat stretched. I don’t think, at least not in this case, the extra length was needed. Design or off-road performance-wise. But from the front and rear ... it looks like a Jeep. Well done them. The older classic Subaru Outbacks ( Limited’s w/bigger power plant) had a McIntosh sound system - I doubt it provided, even remotely, the same quality of sound ... and definitely not 19 speakers! Thanks for the video.

[@Natethegreat200c]

You say they shouldn’t have added the length? You want a three row in the same size of the two row? Makes no sense. They HAD to make it long. It’s a three row.

[@joshuasyrtash860]

Good review!

[@Motormouth...]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you so much!

[@10OF9OFBORG]

Nice vehicle. Love the captain chairs. I would love to see everything as standard. Great video Andrea! 👍🏻👊🏻☕️

[@andreaspencer9813]

Thank you so much, really glad you enjoyed it. We appreciate the support as always!

[@10OF9OFBORG]

@@andreaspencer9813 You are an very welcome Andrea as always! 😀

[@OffroadTV2023]

I can't wait for Jeep to reveal the regular 2 row version, that's the one I want

[@Motormouth...]

Just came out today

[@DigitareMusic]

This just came out at 9AM! They unveiled the 4xE as well!

[@paean109]

I agree with Zack, not a fan of the front end.. But the rest of the vehicle looks good.

[@mauricehabraken7177]

I think you guys nailed it. We had been waiting for your review but pulled the trigger a few weeks ago. Looked at just about all other 3-rows out there. Not much that can tow and provide a nice almost high end interior. I really like the functionality of the infotainment system and how it blends into the dash. I agree too much piano black but other than that no complaints. I’m even ok with the dial shifter (which was a deal breaker for the new MDX with a push button). Would have liked the 4xe version but not sure if this will be available as a 3-row model.

[@mrdelaney5169]

Agree with you on the towing and luxury interior. We've been shopping 3 row suvs now for a couple months and this is top of our list. How are you liking yours after 2 years now?

[@milkmanfitness]

Been waiting for you guys take on this product. It’s basically a discount X7 or GLS only downside needs a more modern power train

[@milkmanfitness]

Hate to hurt your feelings Zack, but Andrea has dramatically improved your reviews. Second input, and she never gets the details wrong

[@bdawg8907]

The second row bench seat should not be an upcharge! 😕. Ford did the same thing with the Explorer giving you captain seats by default and making you pay extra for a bench.

[@ericduran8722]

No thirsty Thursday! U fired! 😂

[@matthewmillet3807]

Hella good review. Definitely subscribing to y’all’s channel. Keep up the awesome reviews!

[@Motormouth...]

Thanks for the sub! - Andrea

[@milkmanfitness]

Yes yes yes

[@ktl2001]

Got the overland a few days ago and it is much nicer with that air suspension system compare to other midsize suv.

[@unlock_your_dream_home]

Might sounds crazy but one of the several reasons I went with a fully loaded Telluride over this is that I have more faith in the Telluride's reliability over Jeep.

[@mrdelaney5169]

Not crazy was also considering the same but after driving both back to back the jeep ride quality was noticeably better (quieter and smoother) which is due to better quality suspension and windows/doors.

[@asselinpower]

Well explained . This or the Telluride ?

[@zaidwaqar6294]

Jeep the king

[@stevenpiper970]

when will the next batch of colors become available?

[@yalerosner1059]

How is JD Power rating Jeep lately? I agree with Zack, more grill and maybe some woodgrain! How about a diesel?

[@Sanpedranoazul]

To me this looks better than the Wagoneer and both are 7 seaters and 8 cylinders; Reliability doesn´t match FCA - STELLANTIS :p

[@TheSTREETFamily]

The Grand Cherokee L is equivalent to Acadia/Traverse/XT6. The Wagoneer is equivalent to Yukon/Tahoe/Escalade… The Grand Wagoneer is equivalent to Yukon XL/Suburban/Escalade ESV

[@moe_lau]

jeep has come a long way 👍👍..

We just got one as our main family car, the Summit Reserve. I agree with the competitor list for the most part, but would remove the Durango and replace it with the Ford Explorer. IMO, every trim below Overland competes with the Explorer and Telluride. And I believe the upper trims compete with the MDX and QX60. Finally, the maxed out Summit Reserve competes directly with the Lincoln Aviator. I say that because we shopped the Aviator first because of it's combination of size, power and luxury. The GCL Summit Reserve w/ the Hemi V8 matches the Aviator in it's own Reserve trim shot for shot, all at about $7K less than the Aviator comparably built. What sold us on the GCL aside from cost was the car seat tilt function on the 2nd row, which makes it ideal for small children. The Aviator doesn't have that feature. This is where the QX60 competes as it has the same car seat tilt. And its around $3K less than the GCL, while offering roughly the same luxury experience. Where the GCL beat the QX60 is power and rear bias/driving dynamics. Summed up, the GCL simply doesn't fall down in any category.

[@mossy1887]

What you think about Toyota 4runner ?

[@bentonc6619]

Quick question. The only off roading i would be doing is on the sand on the coasts of n.c and obx. And maybe some snow on some mountain roads. I'd hate to have to pay the price of an overland editions if the limited edition would do the job with quadra trac 1 and snow and sand mode. Which one would you recommend

[@noelsilva8887]

Well you should first compare all the different front end. I like the summit one.

[@6ec6YRFPTcC]

I think it's closest competitor is the Acura MDX. A base MDX is the same price as a Grand Cherokee L Limited.

[@loveag83grover]

does the under 300 numbers on HP and Torque suffice for a massive vehicle such as this, especially compared to how a lot of competition is over 300hp and close to 350torque? I like the luxury feeling in Jeep in both the L and the standard version. where does the L get more space, the rear seats or elsewhere? I will be in the market next year for a 3 row SUV and your reviews are going to be massively helpful. Right now it's the Palisade and starting to consider the atlas after realizing it actually offers the most 3rd row space. in my opinion, standard bench mid row and 2 seater 3rd row is the most comfortable configuration. thoughts?

[@Fidelisinspire]

We have a 5 passenger RX350 at the moment and looking to move up to a 7 passenger. I don’t understand why we need to pay extra for the bench second row when the starting price for JGCL is already too high…I can’t justify paying over 40K to gain one extra seat.

[@shaunmiller3342]

When will the release the regular GC? That’s the one I’m curious to see.

[@justinspalti2354]

Does summit come standard with a electronic limited slip differential?

[@nitinbhardwaj9405]

Amazing content as always on your channel! Wonder why it took so long for you guys to get your hands on the new GCL, was waiting for your review for a long time. Any information on if and when a 4xe version of GCL would be introduced? Thanks!

[@andreaspencer9813]

It always takes longer for us to get press vehicles in Vancouver, it's really too bad. Thanks for watching, really glad you love the channel.

[@MG-jv7pe]

Im patiently waiting for the 4xe GC without the 3rd row lol

[@ericduran8722]

Eff the Jeff! Who da bloundie!? ❤️👀

[@indwjy88]

does it bigger than the LR discovery?

[@DazModeWatercooling]

Add sliding doors and you get minivan.

[@lemuelalberto5563]

Will it last like the old Jeep?

[@2steaksandwiches665]

This is on our list but they cut some features out due to the chip crisis. We are waiting a year.

[@tuolumne9]

What platform is this based off / shared with? This guy is finally no longer tied to Daimler I assume

[@mountainhobo]

Offroad prowess aside (like Andrea said, I would never take something this expensive on anything more than a dirt road), for everyday driving and all other considerations, this Jeep Grand Cherokee L or Acura MDX in upper trims both?

[@mohnster4000]

Andrea saying that she would not take the V-8?? Did I hear that correctly? 😀

[@Motormouth...]

V6 is great in this.

[@andreaspencer9813]

Shocking!!! lol!

[@brianb7844]

We currently own a Pacifica to haul our Golden Retriever and Bernese Mountain Dog. I would like to add an suv to the family for inclement weather days going to dog shows. A flat floor is a must for all rows as crates will go into the vehicle. Would you recommend this Jeep or the VW Atlas? Or is there a unicorn out there I am missing?

[@markleckband4495]

The Pacifica offers AWD now.

[@abdulrahman114]

Anyone knows when the 2 row new model is coming out. A lot of news on the L version but I didn't find any thing on the 5 seater

[@Motormouth...]

Just announced last week

[@natashac6589]

I just purchased 2022 Overland. Would I be safe to tow under 5000? I don't have the v8.

[@Motormouth...]

Yes.

[@natashac6589]

@@Motormouth... Thank you so much! I truly appreciate your videos!

[@frh-freerangehuman]

While these Cherokees have a much more softened design than the old 'truck' look they used to have, they aren't as homogenized as some of their competition. They've retained some of their 'squareness' which I like. They look a little too much like a Durango tho, but then 'Chrysler' has always put out various models under different names and Badges with minor differences between models. I agree with you about Piano Black...the stuff is horrible.

[@IntothewestOkotoks]

That’s hugely disappointing that it only has 84 cu ft of cargo space behind the first row. My wife wants something larger than our QX60 for the next vehicle (I think it’s 78 cu ft), and sits higher (less car like). I thought this GC L might be it being a Jeep. Something a bit smaller than a Yukon/Armada size that still might sit a bit higher like a traditional SUV. Atlas isn’t an option for me at this point (just found the interior cheap looking - not sure if it got updated, and not so sure of VW quality lately). The new GW’s C pillar is just so awkward looking - hopefully it looks better in person - but right now I wouldn’t even consider it (well, and that price is ridiculous). Looks like Armada might still be our next pick. Great review as usual. :-)

[@RyanRusich]

No diesel?

[@nissanlove]

Ok had to add my 2 cents after having a JEEP GCL as a rental for a week. Our rental was a Limited V6 without any options, car had about 7000km on it. First of all, I didn't know that such a poor transmission exists in modern times. Clunky shifts, poor shift timing, slow down shifting all plagued out rental. Not to mention with the start stop activated, the jolt you would get everytime the driveline engaged after the engine restarted. Awful. On top of that, the door pockets were very shallow and why do the interior lights only stay on for about 60sec.. hardly enought time to get two screaming kids buckled in to their car seats in a dark parkade. Oh, lets not forget the clunk from the front end over bumps(possibly failed shocks), sad on such a new car. Otherwise, the suspension calibration was nice. comfortable and compliant. the seats were comfy also, i set them once and didn't have to re-adjusted them. interior quality was nice as well. There are better 3 row options out there luckily

[@brucewebber6983]

can you shift into 4x4 while driving ? Any speed?

[@ryanwarner7950]

Yes you can. It's not recommended to shift over 55mph though. I do it at 45mph, then speed back up

[@kdog18ful]

It’s based on the new modified Alfa Romeo Stelvio platform

[@blueryxfalls7949]

The grand wagoneer should be an extended wheelbase and just not the same as the wagoneer

[@reserva120]

You missed the boat there on interior cargo space.. "you should just added the few words " because of its ability to have Off road chops added at some future date, let alone what it has now. Otherwise good job.

[@grandblaster57]

looks ok. a bit long. deceiving as having a lot o space.. id take the telluride for the other option.

[@michaelguilfoyle3847]

they will sell a boatload of these same as the old one...looks ok to me..and the Grand Wagoneer...ah bit over the top..IMO..same as Escalade and Navigator..but hey..its your money,,

[@jordanpappert]

is their 3.6L V6 Bad???

[@markleckband4495]

No it’s a great workhorse of an engine. Even sounds good.

[@MehrdadAlemi]

The spare tire location is a Ney...Ummm specially in a cold and snowy roads !

[@kizo172]

The Jeep can't have a third row as spacious as Telluride or Atlas. Why? Cause its a premium RWD platform! Its not an economy minivan like the others.

[@mattspeer01]

So all the competition pretty much tops out around $50K fully loaded, other than the Explorer which hits $62K and is way overpriced for its heinously low-rent interior. Now you have this at $70K when loaded. You would have to be an idiot to pay $20K more for this than a Telluride/Palisade/Highlander, especially considering Jeep's horrible track record for reliability. Visit the owner forums for this new JGC L... they are ugly already, just tons and tons of problems: UConnect 5 crashes, Apple CarPlay won't work at all, 4WD warning lights that come on constantly, oil leaks, grinding/binding steering columns... the list goes on. And it is a lot of owners, many with more than one of these issues.

[@MIZUNOMP60]

Wife and I were thinking of getting one. I've been following it since it launched and the GCL Forum. So far you're correct, the forum is a hot mess since this debuted. We were hoping to get an Overland with the hemi V8 but can't justify spending that kind of money given all the issues currently. Hopefully the get the bugs worked out. A lot of technology issues between the Uconnect and it's Carplay and Bluetooth freezing/disconnecting, the night vision feature not working properly. Also new owners complaining about fit and finish panel issues around the center console, Jeep App issues and on and on! It has a lot of potential but build quality and reliability right now in first year production are not it's strengths!

[@mattspeer01]

@@MIZUNOMP60 Yeah it's pretty rough looking right now. The vehicle seems appealing (other than price) from a cursory glance, but all the potential issues, plus all the piano black gloss trim are deal breakers.

[@MIZUNOMP60]

@@mattspeer01 Yea it's a shame, not too many options in a 3 row off-road capable SUV. I would need the space for cargo more than people and my wife thinks it would be perfect for the beach and adventures! We're keeping an eye on the Rivian too, no real reviews on it yet!

[@henryhuang24]

8:29 dat panel gap

[@BADBADGER18]

Is this not the “new” wagoner everyone was talking about? Did they just rename it to another cherokee

[@dwx]

Don't think so. If you go to the Jeep website, they actually have the wagoneer listed. The back is much more rectangular and less sloped.

[@Sanpedranoazul]

It's not, I like this more than the Wagoneer

[@leeconstant7261]

No night life??

[@_maze_4733]

Really annoying how you only compare to 4 when the actual number is about 8. Just compare to all the competition.

[@robertellison4889]

This Grand Cherokee L does NOT share a platform with the Durango.

[@dannykelly3617]

This is not related to the Durango as many people think. Great review otherwise!