2022 KTM 250xcw - Negative Review / Rant (Clutch, CCPS, and TPS issues)

[@sarahdell4042]

I had a ton of issues with mine from new. Getting stranded miles into a ride multiple times wasn’t fun. Sold it and bought a lightly used Rieju 300. Couldn’t be happier!

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

I have mine running decent now after dumping tons of money and time in to it. It's a shame, because it really could/should be a phenomenal bike. Almost made me go back to a 4t!

[@sarahdell4042]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 I wasn’t willing to go down the path of spending even more money, just to have it run “normal” I do a ton of slower technical single track, 4T get way too hot. Newer carb 2T are basically perfect. The bike that replaced the KTM came from the factory pretty rich. It still didn’t foul the plug, had good power, etc. Just got it jetted and it’s obviously even better. Glad to hear you got it running good! Not sure I’ll ever venture away from a carb on a 2T

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

@@sarahdell4042I don't blame you, I just didn't want to take a hit on selling it. But after all the time and money, I should have just did what you did. I do hard enduros and lot of slow stuff as well. Definitely cannot replace that style of riding with a 4t. Would be nice to have as a second bike tho!

[@sarahdell4042]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 Luckily with the crazy market, the hit wasn’t terrible and I got a good price on the Rieju. Multiple bikes is always the answer though!

[@baccy81]

I have exactly this very bike, 2022 model 250 2 stroke. I broke in the engine properly in a couple of days, then took it back to the dealership for a transmission oil change. took it back and since then rode it every week end without ANY problem whatsoever. As an enduro rider I totally suck, but on this bike everything feels easy and fun. Very reliable and predictable in behaviour. PS I even ride in very hot conditions, no trouble at all 👍

[@ollie6512]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 but what are the problems exactly

[@DRIVESHOWTV]

Man, do you think that you for you take the "long" way around solving things? You seem very technical and intelligent and that's something to be admired. However, you took 34 minutes to basically say that the bike was stalling with the clutch in and that it has a sputtering issue. This really isn't a laundry list. Why if there was a problem at "0" hours did you not take the bike back to the dealer and have them rectify it for you. You've done a ton of experimenting and time suck stuff that could have been handled without such internal struggles. I'm going to take a guess here and say that you'll find out that the pressure sensors aren't your issue either. I'm no mechanic but by the way you seem to go about getting locked in on things, I think this will end up the case. That is one fantastic bike. I literally am trading my 2022 LTM 300 xc-w Erzbergrodeo in on the 250 xc-w and having it set up for me after buying one for my kid. The 250 has been flawless. Maybe you'd be wise to just take it to the dealer and let them have a go at it before you make the mistake of trading away a phenomenal enduro machine for bike that's basically a KX250 with some very small trail-friendly mods.

[@mitchellledbetter102]

So what were the fixes?

[@derek3107]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 Looks like you have the TSP kit. I read that should get you 95% there if everything is installed correctly. Edit: I see you posted you installed the air mixture screw, I assume from TSP. Did you have this installed before the sputtering?

[@derek3107]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 ah I see, typical problems for ktms; if I get one, the tsp is a must get to have the bike running as crisp and strong as it should. The bike should be badass now. Enjoy.

[@heily-3806]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 Pretty sad that some dealers are unengaged and not willing to help out more. I think the dealer should’ve helped you out more. I too had to drive an hour and a half to pick mine up. But the dealer I bought mine from I know will take care of any issues that may come up and that’s worth it to me.

[@brandonmcevoy4277]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 I just got a 300 xcw and I am having sputtering with 6 hours. Replacing CCPS. Hope it helps.

[@botetiinvestments4019]

Have the exact bike n I’m very happy. Yes needed some tweaking straight out the box but nothing a ‘none technical guy’ like myself couldn’t sort. Give her some love and you’ll be rewarded dude😉👍

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

Yes sir, I've got her all squared away now. Had it running pretty good the past few months, good enough to enjoy it. I had it at about 80% of the way. But this past month I really dialed it in, now I'd say she's running at 100% and I absolutely love the bike. Freaking amazing. Got my clickers and suspension dialed in finally as well. Planning to do a follow-up video and clarify all of the little issues and things that I ran into and had to do to get it running properly so hopefully it can help anyone else who had similar issues. Have a good one!

[@ollie6512]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 I'd like this follow up! What did you do to get her running well???

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

@@ollie6512 I'll put a video out soon and go over it. I've been slacking big time with putting out content.

[@rtimetoride7645]

I just watched a vid from Knighter. Check your vent tube from the gas cap. It is flat and too long. I sticks to the bottom of the steering stem. Cut it on an angle and see how your bike runs

[@davelariviere682]

Yeppers, 101 Knighter is saying these new ones need a bunch of tweeking……

[@human1513]

Your observations are spot on and what I hear from many others. I am near selling my KTM and getting a Yamaha 2 stroke again.

[@robthomas3488]

My dealer in Aus did the exact same thing with my clutch and idle issue from hour 0 also so I feel your pain, you end up just wanting to try fix it yourself as the standard response for some issues is that "its normal" when you definitely know in yourself its not the way it should function and before you know it the short warranty period is over, I have hit 80 hours on my 2020 so persisted with the issues but it has made me want to explore a different brand as ktm seem to let issues drag on way too long before a permanent fix is achieved (clutch, ccps, idle etc, they have been occuring for 4 years now) but I definately love 2 strokes still :)

[@Justen1980]

Dude You just talked me into getting a yz250x.. Good luck with your next bike, the yamaha crosscountry 4strokes have the lower 1st gear you want for trail riding. The honda and kawasaki crosscountry bikes have the same transmission as the Mx models

[@TEKKYTWO]

I watched the entire video and you’re spot on. I just bought a 2023 TPI KTM and I’m having this bogging issue too. What did do after ALL this to make it run properly? And did these issues come back or is it sorted for good?

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

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[@sundaymorningrides9142]

That video is long and needs couple updates, but covers most of it. I did a lot of work that I think all contributed to it running clean. Its been running good for about 80+ hours now, although I do think its time to clean the CCPS sensor and/or get a fresh one. I think the important pieces to focus on for starting off are the CCPS Sensor / CCPS hose connections + idle mod. That does the trick for most people. Full List of Mods: Right now I'm running a simplified CCPS sensor connection (hose directly to sensor) with better clamps, new oem CCPS and AIR sensors, Two Stroke Performance Injector Relocation Kit with their ECU mapping, Idle mod screw, vforce reeds, new CCPS brass hose nipple threaded into the cylinder head with high temp thread sealant (my original brass nippple cracked and I dont know if it was cracked all along/leaking, but eventually it broke off). I also converted bike to pre-mix (after installing injector reloc kit), added high comp head, fmf fatty and powercore muffler (originally I had fmf with spark arrestor, unsure if that caused issues - stock bike comes without arrestor so when with fmf without spark arrestor) . Once all of this was installed, I basically tried to set my idle screw as low as it could go without tripping the check engine light (if you set idle too low, the TPS sensor says voltage too low - bike will still run but you have blinking engine light constantly).

[@hardendurobosnia17]

That power valve screw seems to be screwed in more than usual I you check 1. Fuel pressure 2. That the power valve opens at 5500 rpm 3. Pressure sensor swap 4. Engine compression 5. Tps sensor voltage It should run right Also get the 103 map

[@josephperazzo9431]

Great bikes for sure, but they do need a few things. My 21 Te250i was fouling plugs and began running rough as well after about 20 hours. Changed the CCPS sensor and instantly better. Happened again, realized what was happening is I forgot to remove the wash plug from the muffler after washing it. Possibly when I tried to start the bike (with the plug still in pipe) the excess pressure damaged the sensors. My bike too would stall very easily. Seemed I was adding a bit too much gearbox oil, once filling up til it ran out the screw on side cover and adding the idle screw mod it runs fantastic. Lugs way down and doesn't stall, much easier to pop the front wheel over objects from a stop etc. Also, I sent the suspension to Kreft moto for revalving and proper springs for me. Granted this is a lot to have to do to a $10,000 bike, but I really cant imagine a better bike for the mountain singletrack riding I do.

[@human1513]

I have a KTM 2022 300 XC TPI. One of the crap ones. Never had issues with non-KTM bikes in 40 years. Never should have these issues with one of the most expensive dirt bikes. KTM never again!

[@MrPerattzi]

@@human1513 What issues does yours have? Even when my ccps went out it ran about the same as a carb’d bike that wasn’t 100% jetted for the weather. Sherco seem like a good alternative but they’re few and far between. Beta’s I’ve been around have quality issues and feel a bit cobbled together. The KTM I feel is a better engineered bike that’s sadly handicapped by emissions regulations due to KTMs higher sales volume.

[@Bimmere]

I just purchased my 3rd TPI (haven’t ridden it yet) but the 2019 xcw (which I also purchased from town and country) wasn’t a fan of the dealership… but that bike was pretty good, felt lean, then I purchased a 2020 xc, and that was an amazing bike and I still have it, and have a new 22 300xc, one thing I know bout these TPI’s is they are all different in their own way.. I do know that some have issues, and one of my buddies also had similar issues is as yours… good luck, and once you do getting it setup properly it really is a good bike…

[@stubabyfuora5280]

I feel lucky, switched from 500 to a 300 and it has been flawless. But two mods I did might help you, Coober ECU was a game changer might solve rich sputtery bottom and midwest engineering clutch lever allows engagement adjustment. Good luck, I dont see any problem bikes in my area but I do think they exist

[@Superdrew_23]

Love my 19xcw tpi. I fouled 1 plug at 25hrs but since then haven’t done anything other than change oil. 125hrs and about to do the top end.

[@dirtrider2234]

I have 2019 Ktm 300 xc, last year carb and last year kickstart. 180 hrs and not one hiccup, I’ll rebuild this bike until I can’t ride anymore

[@590studio]

Our buddy bought a NOS 2019 Six-days 450 4T a year ago. Constant running issues. Not TPI obviously, but F.I. Biggest POS ever. His 2013 450 EXC-W was great, until he failed to clean the OEM fuel filter and we had to tow him back... His even older RFS 450 even better. I think these new TPI's have two issues, #1 is KTM Engineers do not have theses figured out. #2, they are on a Fuel Injected platform, which also has problems. I remember back in the 70's we took our stock 2 stroke enduros, Yamaha 90 and Kawasaki 120 that had oil injection and carburetors, stripped the oil pump, tank and all related pieces and began pre-mixing, only because that was the hot set-up, or trick thing to do on an early 70's bike. My point is, oil injection worked and it worked with carbs. Also nothing was electronic! IMO, carbs are better. Another friends 2013 KX 450F has starting issues when ambient temps are high. Again, it's a F.I. bike. I ride a 2003 525 EXC Race and NEVER have problems. As an option, I also think that replacing a typical Keihin or Mikuni with a Lectron carb may just be the ultimate way to go. I don't think I would ever buy a F.I. dirt bike. I personally see too many problems in a small percentage of bikes. Technology has F**ked things up. Keep It Simple...

[@jeff40]

Love the K.I.S.S. principle!

[@Gregamz]

Beta or Sherco all day long. As the previous guy mentioned, 10 minutes of jetting for your altitude & yourready to rip. It’s a damn shame you have to spend another $1000 plus for a brand new $10,500 dirt bike to run the way it should have from the factory. I personally will never buy another 2T Ktm.

[@tcmx712]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 go sherco mate, won't regret it as there's nothing the beta does better (unless you like oil injection)

[@RidefreakTV]

OPs first 2T, most of his problems didn't require any $$ to resolve and are very simple. Go into something blind and you run into walls.

[@jdracing551]

I have the same bike, it is now premix and runs on another level. Never has a two stoke run so clean, even better than a Smartcarb.

[@jasongransden6493]

How did U convert it to premix? Or do U just not fill the oil tank?

[@jdracing551]

@@jasongransden6493 you have to move the injectors using a GET or SHureShot, you will burn up your crank if you try to run pre-mix with the injectors in the cylinder. Once you do that you can leave the tank and pump and just empty it. We yanked everything out and used a resistor to tell the engine the oil pump was working. You also have to make sure you keep the crankcase sensor hose at about the same length.

[@Cruising200]

@@jdracing551 did you move both injectors or just one, I’ve seen the split kit

[@jdracing551]

@@Cruising200 Currently I have both injectors in the surshot but have the TSP relocation kit on the way that puts on in the cylinder and one in the air boot, should get to test it next weekend if the weather holds

[@Cruising200]

@@jdracing551 gotcha, I already ordered the same kit with the split one injector going to the cylinder, I didn’t see the tsp kit until yesterday. I’m wondering what kinda differences the tsp kit will be

[@jesseg8920]

I have a 2013 KTM 350 EXC F, I am convinced KTM was in a different mindset with quality and craftsmanship from 2012 to around 2016, and after they really took off with popularity and sales they started to cut corners on quality but kept the same prices. I have seen decals pealing off, thinner plastic used for the tail piece, removing the kick started and trying to say it saves weight when the amount to low to really worry about considering it’s a dirt bike. All just excuses to make changes that leave you without an option while you pay the same price or more.

[@wipperwil]

Me too. I’ll rebuild my 2013 EXC-F 350 many times over before I sell it. It’s solid, it starts, it runs great…. I am leaning towards a pre-TPI Xcw as a 2nd bike. But, i hear the 300xcw is pretty great over all…. Undecided.

[@Dashriprock4]

Completely agree. I've had a 1994, 99, 01, 12 and now a 22 Austrian bike. The '01 and the 22 are both four strokes and have been pretty trouble free. I noticed a difference in quality between my 2012 150 and all of my previous bikes. Those bikes prior to the 2011 generation were tanks. I even have an old Italian husky from 2008 and it's build quality and durability is far superior. In fairness, it's electrical routing and lack of attention to detail is frustrating. But most of it just takes time to fix and not money. With the Austrian bikes. You've got to throw some dollars and time at them. At least that's my experience with the two strokes. My old 400 and my current 350 have been pretty solid

[@joeyoung6286]

Cut gas tank vent hose in triple clamp at an angle. You could have had a carb bike jetted perfect for like $5.00 and about 10 minutes of your time.

[@mrvolts9262]

I saw that guys vid too good call

[@jeff40]

No I agree with you! Never was a big 4t guy but I'll stick to my old 2011 ktm-300xc. I never minded pre-mixing at all.

[@keithsada1380]

He probably just got a bad one. I have a new one and it runs flawlessly.

[@keithsada1380]

I have a new gas gas 2022 version of the same bike. Absolutely no issues with it so far. Hope you get your straightened out.

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

I did finally get it squared away. Planning to do a follow up video. Completely happy with the bike now. Those issues a side, best woods/Enduro bike I've ever had.

[@motoxposse]

When you installed your throttle screw double check the electric plug on the tps add some dielectric grease to the connector see if it’s a connection problem

[@kurtr.346]

All sorts of people are having problems. Check out new vid on Enduro Cross Training ch. That vids sums it up. You are right, those things are BS! No one should have to do this mod and that to make run correctly. As far as emissions go 2 stroke dirt bikes don't even scratch the surface in the realm of emissions.

[@1991enduro]

People think they do cos they smoke from exhaust pipe some people haven't got a clue next to carbon neutral a bike is if anything

[@Superdisco199]

What did you end up getting ? every 300-400hrs I pick up a crf250x with 20hrs on it (on my 6th). I get 180hrs out of pistons and oem valves need replacement at about 150hrs. It's the best stock suspension chassis i've ridden (miles ahead of Xplor). Torquey bottom end, perfect electrics. I went KTM twice and both times just hated them and everyone shoots you down when you complain.

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

I finally got it working. I basically had to replace ECU and injection system with non-oem after market upgrades and modify ccps sensor connection. Two stroke performance ECU and injection system and my own design for the the ccps sensor

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

I 100% agree with you. I had to dump alot of money and time into this bike and a lot of people did shoot me down

[@johnmerritt6670]

I bought a 2016 KTM 250 xcw, last year of the Keihin carbs. I've never had one issue with it. Too much stuff on these new ones. KTM might get these issues sorted out in a few years. I read that they are actually moving the oil injection to the carb area, in 2023, much like the Beta's.

[@frostcold81]

My 2016 250xc was the best bike I ever had. I was extremely comfortable on it and never had one issue. Sold it bought my first 4 stroke a beta 430rr and just didn't like the weight so sold it bought a leftover 2019 250xc and had nothing but issues with it running right. I'm now looking at a sherco or beta 300 smoker.

[@ollie6512]

The oil injection is already on the 'carb' (throttle body) area! Duh

[@Tyler-hw7hi]

What was the problem with fouling the plugs? I've got a 300 tpi 2022 on 12 hours started fouling plugs at 8 hours but by that time I'm out of my 30 day warranty and ktm don't want anything to do with it... any help be much appreciated👍

[@baylorlitsey4394]

Did it to my te300i and it runs richer with less sputtering. And the idle better and doesn’t stall out.

[@goneridingparts]

did what ?

[@baylorlitsey4394]

@@goneridingparts idle screw mod

[@turenordstrom6144]

Thanks for letting us know about these issues, I have a deposit on one was supposed to be taking delivery tomorrow, now I will be canceling the deal!

[@MrFritz6940]

Thousand miles on my 2022 300, and 2500 miles on my 19 250 tpi, zero issues. Never fouled plugs. Stock everything accept cone valve suspension. Phenomenal bikes for me. Your luck is unfortunate. I ride only single track too. Some fast, some slow. Beat these bikes to death and they always keep ticking. I used to be a yamaha guy, yes they are reliable but don't ride for shit. Good luck

[@southeastAF]

Good points here

[@toddv9210]

Sounds like you need to do the idle screw mod so you can properly set your idle speed and mixture. Would solve the original stalling issue plus the bogging/sputtering.

[@williamnewton5402]

Its all squared away, took a lot of different things to get it running perfectly - will be doing an updated video soon

[@toddv9210]

@@williamnewton5402 Good to hear. The idle screw thing is all I've ever had to do to mine in it's 85 hours. It's been flawless. Even still running on the original plug

[@marco21falcon]

This is so weird to me. I have a 2023 250 xcw. It's tpi and oil injected. No issues whatsoever. My neighbor has a 2020 same bike. And he also has no issues. I have a 2005 65sx.... no issues.

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

Yea Definitely most of the bikes seem to be fine. I have many other bikes that are perfectly fine as well. A small percentage of bikes with issues, but still plenty enough where you can easily find tons of people on the web with the same issues. Mines all fixed now tho anyways. There were other videos after this. Combination of bad ccps sensor and defective ccps connection at the cylinder base in addition to some ecu changes.

[@rafenatho5406]

Welcome to ktm brother. I think from everything I've seen there's about a 25% chance you get a lemon with the TPI's so your good for another 3 purchases safely speaking. I'm not joking. Seen too many vids exactly like yours. I have a 2019 exc-f and had zero issues but my go to for technical riding here in the PNW is my trusty 2001 YZ250 with a lectron, can't beat it. Can your dealer refresh the ECU? Might help.

[@zoody1000]

I was confused when I buy first bike KTM , Husqvarna or something else. Peoples recommended don't buy KTM and Husqvarna. Very hard to heard your voice. Where is warranty

[@pmaly9473]

KTM makes very innovative motorcycles and has great race teams. They do not support their dealers or their customers. I do love the carburetor 2 stroke KTMS I have owned. Have owned three EFI 4 strokes with issues the dealers were unable to help with. The dealers actually tried to help. They just couldn’t get support from the factory. Have had 5 Harley street bikes, all EFI since 2004 with over a 100,000 miles logged, no EFI issues ever! Still love my 150XC, but for another adventure bike to replace the 690, I bought an old XR650L with a carb! No issues for the Great Continental Divide Ride last year, 3500 miles Mexico to Canada. KTM leadership is really missing the boat on their market position. Simple solution is to support dealers and customers like they support their race teams. That and stop putting cheap Chinese Crap fuel components in these very expensive bikes.

[@rhouser1280]

Man I’m close to pulling the trigger on a new Husky TE300 & the one thing stopping me is the fuel injection. I just had this same conversation about my Harley being fuel injected. Bought it new in 07, & I couldn’t ask for a better running bike. Almost 16 yrs & never had a problem with the injection system. I know it’s kinda apples to oranges 2T vs 4T. Owned carb dirt bikes my whole life, couldn’t wait to try fuel injected 2T, but this stuff honestly has me worried about making that kind of investment to not have a good bike. I don’t mind working on them, but not in the 1st year if I just paid $14000 out the door. Got a Beta dealer 15 mins from my house, I might go that route.

[@lorenkaiser6326]

Change the fuel filters, they plug up like every 15hrs. The one in the tank in particularly.

[@hardendurobosnia17]

I would like a good mechanic to take this in and fix it it would be awesome to see, but not with the tsp kits and stuff..

[@peterb121]

Mate that plug you showed, looked weird. If you do a lot of slow RPM riding, make sure the plug is at least a #8 NGK IRIDIUM PLUG , either B8REGV OR B8EV with the right gap. Hopefully this fixes your problem. Now don't get angry, but I have mates who bought KTM , HUSKY BIKES and seriously they are really weird bikes. I personally will never buy one .

[@jorgesoto8680]

Should have bought a yzfx version. Love mine never looked back

[@jorgesoto8680]

The wr model has headlight and tail also worth looking into.

[@jorgesoto8680]

Did you get everything worked out since video?

[@scottw2157]

Could any of the issues be magnified by fuel with ethanol? Just curious. I run 90 non ethanol in all my small engines. Might also explain why the fuel filter plug up so fast.

[@scottw2157]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 try running 90 non ethanol for a couple tanks see if it changes the characteristics. You have to remember when these bikes are track tested by the manufacturer, the fuel comes in a can. Meaning it isn't fuel you can go down to the local station and buy.

[@andrew5550]

Get a new CCCPS sensor they go out all the time even brand new try Turning the idle up With the idle screw it will slightly open the throttle plate then you will have to readjust and fine-tune with the air screw which can also have a tendency to raise the idle a tiny bit

[@OGPokey151]

They will idle all day, what you need to do is start the bike, choke on if needed DO NOT TOUCH THE THROTTLE at all. Let it get to full temp. Shut the bike off and you are good to go. That idle warm up let’s the computer calibrate for temp, altitude etc. plus when the motor is cold, it mixes the oil rich. I was told that by numerous KTM master techs. I’ve been doing it and zero issues at all.

[@OGPokey151]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 when you shut the bike off it flashes the new mapping from what I was told. When you first start the bike it is running on its last saved mapping then during the Full heat cycle, it is self-correcting off of the BaseMap so if the bike warms up to full temperature it has a full spectrum of corrections then when you shut off the bike at rewrites the new map so when you start it there’s no more corrections to do. I live in southern CA at sea level. I truck my bike up to the mountains during snow or just on really cold days (below freezing). Same for when I go to the desert. When I 1st got it when it was new, I did not do this. I did not foul a plug but it stumbled a bit. I talked to my dealership and they wanted to scan it for issues. He then showed me the computer doing live readings and said he was going to reflash because if you start the wrong process it can mess it’s own settings up. It would clear itself out if I did the Procedure correctly but reflash it anyways then showed me The proper way of starting it don’t touch a single thing until it reaches full temperature I did install the fan so we waited until the fan came on and then he says shut it off and then you get to go so he suggested just start the bike then get dressed and by the time you’re finishing suiting up you can shut the bike off wait for your friends and go off and ride. So since I’ve done that the bike has been running absolutely mint Sorry if this is kind of run on blabbering I’m using voice to text trying to multitask

[@OGPokey151]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 Awesome and best of luck, hope you post an update

[@kylehornhunter6199]

I took mine back and bought a used 2018 300 xcw. I love it. That tpi was a pile off shit.

[@josiahhughes3544]

Shoulda bought a Sherco lol Rad bike and it has better suspension . Hopefully you get this sorted

[@johnnydangerously9426]

China bike

[@chrislayton4025]

Can you send out the list of sensor part numbers or where you got them and are they cheaper?

[@adambatchelder4121]

Actully the hole tpi system is for emishions ,Not your ridding pleasure. Crank presure sensors are a common failure . Im a shop owner and still running a carb bike but work on tpi s all the time and they are mostly ok.

[@adambatchelder4121]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 well making the 2 stroke more expensive and more complayed doesnt make them more Is approachable in my eyes but i can see how people think that. The troth is a properly tuned kehin carbed 2 stroke can be ridden over around 3500ft of elevation change without re jetting and plugs can go a couple hundred hours although i like to change mine around 120 hours when i change the pistion. In my eyes the really crappy thing about the emissions based TPI design is that we don't even get a green sticker ot playe out of it overhear in States.

[@adambatchelder4121]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 bata , or convert ktm if you really wanted one .

[@LawLow86]

I have a 2023 ktm 250 xcw pre release bike, I broke that bike in the way you had to or whatever, my clutch would stall the bike out so I just used the clutch alot and when shifting and after 3 hours it stopped doing it and at 5.7 hours I had to do the ccp sensors and then fouled out a new plug so I put another one in and went and beat it to death and it's at 7.5 hrs and haven't had an issue since, I know it's a trail bike but I also wanna say the tpi bikes need to be ran hard from what iv experienced cause they probly load up with to much oil when your putting with it, rev it to the moon on the open spots

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

I agree. I do feel it runs cleaner if you rev her out and Keep it cleared out. Mine is a TBI now with injector kit and I'm running premix. A Recent upgrade after doing the top end. So far I'm happy with it. Now that I have all of the kinks worked out. Not crazy about the ccps sensor setup on these bikes, but oh well. TPS makes a ccps relocation kit I'm considering.

[@LawLow86]

That's good to hear! I haven't been on a bike for years and my kawasaki 250 I had was an awesome bike and many years later I figured I'd try one out again and being the 2023 ktm I figured I'd give it a shot and it gave very similar issues, like I said it's been good so far but I'm sure I'll get some of those stupid issues again, but the ride of it is amazing to be honest, well hopefully your continue to enjoy it man! I for sure am gonna do that sensor tray upgrade you mentioned, that's a must 👍

[@VinSylvester]

So all this boiled down to another ccps sensor rant? And switching a clutch setting which takes one minute? SMH. Hate to be the guy saying my 21 300 xcw has been perfect for 68 hrs on stock plug but it’s true. Glad you had a change of heart on this bike cuz trading for that kawi would have been a downgrade and I love the kx platform.

[@viperracing2889]

As far as I know, you shouldn't experiment with different oils in these. You shouldn't have to tinker with them like that, and if you do you should take it back to the dealer. There's atleast a 30 day warranty, but not if you start experimenting with it like that. That will void the warranty. You should not add oil to the fuel and you have to use special plugs, not the standard ones.

[@jamesgeorgevellavella1961]

Lol. I'm guessing you have not purchased a new kgm or kusky recently. I'd gaurantee dealership isn't going to help you. It's BS but it's the way they operate. Hopefully TBI isn't so problem riddled but I won't be wasting cash being the Guinea pig again

[@honkydonk]

Gasgas ec 300 2021 30 hours. Same problems. Everything you just said i totally agree with! Mine is running terrible down low. I have switch the sensors around. But I connected the ccp sensor directly to the hose, no need for it to sit in the mud collecting shit tray. I bought a new (not oem) sensor, recommended from ktmtalk and others to fit as air pressure sensor. (allso tried 4 different sensors ive taken from scrap yard cars, non of them worked) The weird thing is when i unplug the baro sensor it runs perfect, and do not stall as before, pulls like a train all the way up, even more than my ktm exc 450, not running warm or popping fron exhaust just runs perfect! . Have you tried running it without the baro plugged in? I live at sea level, so maybe im just lucky that it is the right level with the baro unplugged. Dont know. My clutch engagement is changing all the time when it gets warm. I have it close to the grip, but it moves out untill it is at the fingertips. I changed the fluid 5 times now. So the next thing is to open it op. Ive heard little about the Get ecu not needing the baro sensor, maybe its a possible solution🤔

[@honkydonk]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 do you remember the name of that sensor you liked? Just got the new sensor 5WK9700Z. When I plug it in baro position it stutteres down low and is more likeley to stall, when I simply unplug it, it runs strong and stabil at idle and pulls strong all the way up. I will switch these two sensors around to see if it makes a change. I noted that even though the oem sensors look exactly the same, the numbers on them are different, dont know if its just the production number or what🤔 if not, I cant see why they should be different in the numbers other than if they are different. But thats just me speculating🤔 Thanks for the heads up with the clutch, going to put it in number one. I tied my ccp sensor to the cluch cable. Took the hose and put a 5mm drillbit to the one end so it can slide over enough of the tip on the sensor for a clamp to fit on. Not pretty, but secure enough and its easy to get to now😁

[@honkydonk]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 should mention that I too have the idle screw mod. And my air screw is around 2 rounds out. Do you have the new updated map from ktm on? km557eu2125103. Im interessted to see if it makes any difference other than more oil to the bike.

[@honkydonk]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 It should be the newest map I think, but have seen some one with A early 2022 model with the older map. not sure it does anything in regards to our problems other than give more oil. Can you remember the part number of that sensor you liked? looking forward to see the GET ecu upgrade:) cheers from Denmark

[@honkydonk]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 thanks man, will order them asap. , I have allready done the mod to the tray as some of the other sensors I got from cars didn't fit like your EPS sensor, so im with you there too😁 A little plus thing is that water and mud is not going to build up as easy in the tray now. Thinking that some foam pushed down on top of the sensor can keep most of the grime out.

[@uncletom1971]

Just a thought, could the problem be related to the run-in process?

[@uncletom1971]

Well, generally the first period of "running in" any mechanical engine is supposed to be the most important period in the time of the engine's life. You bought this bike new? You did the run-in, or did a previous owner perhaps do something really wrong like lugging the engine hard too early, or rev it too much when cold, things like that.

[@uncletom1971]

Right, that's what I meant. Sorry for my poor choice of words (I'm swedish) ;) Well then the dealer has to help you, at least show some good will. Bike is new, it should work OK.

[@gordonstimmel4590]

Should of bought a 2017 through 2019 carb ktm 250xc or 300 it's not hard to mix gas but I choose a carb for a reason it's simple thinking kiss keep it simple stupid lol but I hope you get a different bike because if your not happy with it I believe sell it or trade it and make yourself happy again we don't ride to be un happy and this is why I choose the carb for a reason

[@donaldblank8873]

Here's my backyard thinking, Get a high compression head and have your ECU reflashed for oil flow, It doesn't solve it sell it.

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

Exactly what I did, TSP ECU, high comp head, fmf fatty and power core, vforce reeds, and injector relocator kit running premix at 65:1. Also modified the ccps hose connection. Been running great since then

[@100868ful]

Why wouldn’t you take it back to the dealer??? It’s under warranty??????? KTM honors their warranty. Make no sense that you did all that work and went through all the headaches to try to figure it out.

[@100868ful]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 Well that’s a sucky dealer. Sorry for your headache. I’ve owned four KTMs and my current one is a 2020 350 excf. I had idling issues with it Initially and it would stall but my dealer resolve the problem and it’s been perfect. My previous 2 stroke KTMs have been bullet proof. Given said that they were not tpi machines. Hopefully you got the bugs out. They really are awesome bikes.

[@carsongodshall]

You have to take it to a dealer and get it remapped. It’s really easy and not a big deal

[@williamnewton5402]

Na it was a lot more than just the mapping, issues are all resolved / squared away though - follow up video going up soon that has all the fixes / exactly what was done to get it running perfect.

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

Was a lot more than the map. Few things had to be done to get it running perfect. Follow up video going up soon with the different fixes

[@TrueBrothersEpoxy]

Possibly try to slightly adjust the tps sensor measure it with volts

[@TrueBrothersEpoxy]

Common issue on fuel injected four strokes with the sputtering

[@thatfast3002]

My 19 300xc is smooth power and I don't have to worry about fouling plugs either

[@rtimetoride7645]

OK. Now tell me what the dealer says and rave about the Kaw! I can't wait!

[@mastermat630]

I feel you man its my 2nd KTM that I bought brand new to have a "probleme free" experience, my 85sx I ended up running a smart carb to make it run good, now my 2022 comes with those shitty CCPS jeez how many bikes will I have to buy to get THE ONE that works great XD my fatcats and bigwheel are war machines compared to those ktms

[@iwe7078]

Why would you pay full price for a new dirt bike and not take it immediately to the dealer?? Strange .

[@2525milo]

If I spent 10k and at 0 hours I had problem my dealer would of fixed it. I did buy same bike have not had any issues at all. I believe dealer even said certain things are warranted basically for issues like you have. All manufactures have issues with some bikes and most if not all big brands back it up especially brand spanking new, no way would I ever do that much research on a brand new 10k bike. Good to know though but that’s on dealer simple as that. That simple. If dealer says otherwise that’s there bad.

[@baylorlitsey4394]

Look into the air idle screw mod, for these bikes.

[@baylorlitsey4394]

Oh I just watched your other video after the fix. Right on, glad you found the problem, mine had a similar issue. 👊

[@joecarlino7870]

You got a "lemon". Call KTM and ask them the steps to troubleshoot the problem source. Or unplug one thing at a time and see if it runs different. Then check the suspect component for an electrical short at terminal. Replace the component and see if it cures the problem. Otherwise, sell it and buy another new bike.

[@gymclass_scooter7561]

I had the same problem with my clutch and I thought it was the plates but I drained the oil and if you know anything about them I think most of their bikes call for 800 cc of oil well my bike had 1600 cc of oil and it wasn't letting the clutch plates move all the way and instead of it being a 300 dollar fix it was like 20 dollars. check and change the oil in the bike it might fix it.

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

Yea I checked all of that basic stuff. I ended up needing to move that plate that holds the clutch pack together to a different hole/setting. Has 3 different holes to increase or decrease compression of the bellville spring

[@Dissentient01]

No way can you compare a small displacement air cooled 4t that a kid rides, to any high strung water cooled 4t race bike. C'mon dude. Buy a Beta already.

[@Dissentient01]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 Got to BYOB my '18 300rr RE. Love it and would not trade it for anything. Kept my 450 race bikes cause you really need both.

[@1991enduro]

@@Dissentient01 I got the 17 300rr beta all the way what a engine and carbed so next to no issues tbh

[@mritalianhillbilly]

The 2022 KTM Erzbrgrodeo 300 is absolutely amazing, I haven’t had one issue, we ride pretty hard, and it’s just awesome. Check them out, you won’t be disappointed

[@zerolatency16]

There are two schools of thought when it comes to opinions of bikes. Those who refuse technology and those who embrace it. Tried and true doesn't advance technology but makes people comfortable. Cutting edge is imperfect. You're not wrong on a few things here but tbh? All these things can be fixed or adjusted. The mapping is the biggest issue that I've encountered. Sounds like you might have more of a lemon.

[@jhirai80]

I don’t understand why you would put a wrench on it if bought with ZERO Hrs.. Take it back to your dealer and let them sort it out. I have a relationship with my dealer and I know he’d put someone right on it. Let alone buying sensors and spending my time reading about things your not sure are the problem. I also would have noticed the clutch didn’t work right before I put it in the truck and had them fix that before I ever left the parking lot. Btw I bought a 19’ 150 XCW and it’s on the original plug runs and wks perfectly. Where are you located? Is it for sale? Sounds like it’s not going to Wk out for you with that bike

[@human1513]

Almost all have bad crankcase sensors. So often that KTM ran out of them.

[@donaldblank8873]

Weak or inconsistent spark.

[@Drewski423]

I see a lot of people having issues. My 300xc tpi has been flawless. 130 hours not a single issue.

[@Drewski423]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 man idk. I know a lot of people who have had issues. A lot. 6 out of 8 people I know with new tpi bikes have had issues. Mostly 21-22 models

[@Drewski423]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 theyre getting too big, producing too fast to meet deadlines, putting out faulty machines. Quality control has went way down just in the past few years. Once you get it dialed you’ll love it, but it should be dialed from the jump.

[@Drewski423]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 yeah I hear ya. I’ve been lucky. 130 hours on the dot on my 300xc tpi and not a hiccup. It’s been awesome. Minus preventative maintenance I have done nothing.

[@Drewski423]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 I have a vertex B piston kit sitting in the garage and haven’t done one yet. It hasn’t lost a bit of compression and looks brand new still

[@Drewski423]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 still runs as good as the day I bought it.

[@goodboyringo9716]

KTMs are somewhat like Harleys ...The company halfass builds them then the owners do the fixing.

[@scottyd2262]

I fouled only one plug riding/racing a two stroke in 2 decades. That's when l was 8 years old. Then l learnt to ride properly

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

Gotta see the other vids. Issues been resolved for some time now. Faulty CCPS sensors screws up everything being sent to the ECU, end result can be way too much oil to be injected. Nothing to do with the way I'm riding

[@scottyd2262]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 I was commenting about early in the video when you were saying that 2 strokes fouled plugs all of the time, not about this TPI bike. Glad that you got it all sorted bro

[@human1513]

My 2022 300 XC TPI has 7 hours and has performed like shit from the 1st day. I also installed Tokyo Offroad's modified tray with his machined CCPS brass holder. As the KTM plastic trays are known to crack and leak. KTM also finally changed the in-tank fuel filter to a black plastic one. The previous opaque coloured one is known to split.

[@thomastjg53]

Hopefully you have things sorted out now ,and-can in joy your bike. Iv hear that KTM might come out with a new not so complicated injection ? And that you will have to mix gas with them , but if works better I’m for that. 2 strokes are good bikes and reliable if jetted right. 4 strokes are great too and have there own problems, like valves to worry about. But ya I hear you 10,000 for a bike that doesn’t run right, right from the start is not a fun bike to own.

[@philipsmith6152]

I have had the same probs with my 20 300, you've done a ton of research so you know they have a cold (rich) map and a hot map in the ecu, when you start it cold you need to use the cold start button (choke) an let it idle for 3-5 mins without touching the throttle, during this time the bike is running an the cold (rich) map, then turn off the cold start button and shut it down, don't let it sit there idling to warm it up or you'll foul plugs, once its at operating temp, you can do what you want. I have never fouled a plug, but Im on my 2nd ccp sensor, Im hoping KTM fix this issue with the sensor soon. I think the KX is a step backward, had a 350 and they've got there issue too...constant staling & starting !! Good luck man 👨

[@RidefreakTV]

cold start isn't essential and many never use it. Nether is touching the throttle or blipping it an issue. Doesn't hurt anything other then revving a cold motor which isn't an issue with a blip. The ecu is going off the engine temp, below a certain degree it's running richer, temp is the only factor controlling that extra richness, not throttle nor the air bypass (cold start). Cold start is a convenience, nothing else. Hold the throttle slightly open immediately after it starts and 10 seconds later you can let go and let it idle never using the cold start and everything is fine. The fouling is almost always operator error, don't shut it off and let it cool down before it fully warms up or else there's a risk next time its started and run through the rich warmup cycle (on a clouded plug from the previous incomplete warmup) it's much more likely to foul. Happens to most of the riders that aren't aware of this. Had the OP done a little research on the bike he purchased, half these issues wouldn't be issues, they were hashed out long before he purchased that 2022.

[@philipsmith6152]

@@RidefreakTV Well KTm went to a lot of trouble explaining how to cold start the bike in the owner's manual, Im tipping their not stupid or into wasting money adding that to the OM, TSP who are specialist in re-mapping and head work, also recommend the same, and yes they do have 2 maps !! You can also find numerous vids on YT saying the same thing, kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3S1Xpeea6x2bJo I've got friends that do as you suggest and foul plugs !! everyone I know that follows the OM recommendations for cold starts DON'T foul plugs. You work it out ! Good luck

[@desert-timber-outdoors6577]

the only adjustment to a hydraulic clutch is the spring…. They have been this way forever… 😂 it’s not a problem…. It’s the only way to adjust them.

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

Haha well I know that now, because that's how I fixed it. I just never had to do it before on a brand new bike. That's why I never took it back to the dealer again, because when I took to them telling them about the clutch drag - they didn't say anything to me about adjusting it. Had to figure it out on my own

[@ollie6512]

Sounds like you had a in tank fuel filter issue! £30 fix 👍 just done mine

[@dougderby9454]

Biggest problem today is the Internet. No matter the bike. Instead of just riding and breaking in a new bike. All you hear are guys saying. I heard, I read, someone said.

[@moneyontrees6]

KLX 230 for base knowledge is a major red flag to even begin anything in your life. Your smart and talk well. Stepping up to a KTM All these bikes can have minor hiccups. That's why we need a good shop or KTM dealer. Sooo umm quit talking and drop it off.

[@jeffbahr9408]

I feel you, I have 2021 300 xc-w I have 4 hours on mine, I quit riding it. My YZ 250 is faster and no problems.

[@sundaymorningrides9142]

I finally got it running good, but man did I have to put a lot of time and money in to it. I'm quite happy with it now and going to do a follow up video soon on everything I did. Honestly, ccps issues aside, I think there are a lot of people riding a TPI bike that runs like garbage and they either don't know what a good running two stroke is supposed to sound/feel like or maybe they're just lying to themselves. It goes without saying, some of them for some reason some to run just fine and others - like ours, run like crap

[@CuriousRoach]

"These bikes aren't like your traditional 2-stroke bikes. They should be able to idle all day and not foul plugs." Gets a fouled spark plug.

[@RidefreakTV]

Plug fouling in these is almost always operator error, they cannot be started and shut down before warming fully up and clearing out the plug before shutting it down. The ecu richens up the mixture significantly during warmup which takes time, it's a cold running motor, during that time the plug sees allot of oil, not a problem, it leans back out once the motor is warm. If the rider shuts it down prior to getting warm and being run that the plug is clouded with oil and it never gets burned off. Next time the ecu does the same thing and and while it's warming up the new oil collects on top of that old oil that was never burned off. At that point it's at high risk of fouling. Most tpi riders let their bike idle far longer then any carb'd 2 stroke would idle on choke and have no issues. 100 hrs is noting on the sparkplug on one of these motors, many are still running the original plug far longer. Plug fouling is common with someone who doesn't understand the how the TPI ECU enrichens the motor.

[@wadoktm5316]

KTM should never have gone away from the carb, the carb models were awesome

[@dwightcrapson135]

This video is a study in how to stretch a 15 minute video to over a half hour by speaking slowly with long pauses between words.

[@nickiwarnick3902]

I think that you are just mad that you payed that money and it did not work how you liked from day one. I got the same bike and it works perfect just had to add more oil and lubricant when I got the bike and worked perfect. The clutch get more oil in there and let it work into place. Run oil though better and that will take away the tension and really you just got a bad bike is what you are saying but just solve the problem. There is nothing wrong with the bikes.

[@brenledger4629]

Yz250x with a suzuki needle and a aftermarket head... All the lug, all the bark, All the reliability with much less initial MSRP

[@wrenchone5003]

Suzuki head ?

[@hardendurobosnia17]

Playing on 2x helps..

[@potterybarnoffremontandpre9198]

Im having exact same issue ktm sucks.

[@dragosudrea1171]

KTM stands for Keep Taking Money 💰 🤑

[@donaldblank8873]

Altitude, High compression head will solve that

[@tbgtbg6311]

10K bike with plastic tips for the sensor connectors, and this is the pinnacle of Austrian Bikes? REALLY? Shame on you KTM.

[@human1513]

I unfortunately bought one of these pieces of crap. 2022 ktm 300 xc tpi The dealers cannot fix it and KTM will not cover anything under warranty even though it ran like shit from the 1st day. I will never buy a KTM again. I was warned I would regret it.

[@mqcamo]

damm, Havnt had a single prob with my 20 300exc, the thing just rip.

[@human1513]

I have my 1st 2022 KTM 300 XC TPI. It is a piece of crap. No power from day one. Put an iridium plug it per the dealer's suggestion. Then it start to rev up often but nost times it is rpm hunting. Dealer is lost. I have checked many things. Replaced sensors .... Dangerous bike to ride when it constantly cuts out. Wish I still had my Yamaha YZ 250 again for trail riding. Hate KTM. Cannot recommend the fuel injected 2 strokes.

[@diablokat]

Let me ask you a stupid question. The Bike is new, why don’t you get the bike back to the shop where you bought and ask to KTM the repairing in warranty. KTM are serious.

[@diablokat]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 your shop is an official KTM dealer? They are not professionals and serious. I suggest you to contact directly KTM Assistance.

[@andrew5550]

Your dealer should be able to just plug it in to the computer and it will tell you if the sensor is bad if you bought it they're new they should do all that shit for free

[@rodneystewart4312]

You are a mechanic’s worst nightmare, someone who creates more problems than they fix .

[@keithbell8960]

I've had zero issues with mine 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@courtneywoodcox3258]

Can you PLEASE say UMMM one more time!!! I was interested, till I couldn’t take it any more!!!

[@kimojon9665]

It's clear you have no idea what you are doing; it's also clear that is way too much bike for you. You don't go from a four stroke 230 beginner bike and onto an advance KTM flagship bike. It would be wise to take a few riding lessons before you hurt yourself. Also stop working on that bike and take it to an expert. I've owned several of these TPI bikes have NEVER fouled a plug. These bikes run extremely well. You must be bogging the bike down so much due to beginner rider it's killing the bike.

[@rtimetoride7645]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 Get the Kaw. This guy does not know what he is talking about. That's what tpi is all about.

[@packkai]

See Chris Horner's experience with TPI's fowling spark plugs - it's an issue, in addition to other problems. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGHQc61mrMt_aKs.

[@scottgaskill4896]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 make sure you're warming it up properly. If not you will foul plugs.

[@scottgaskill4896]

@@sundaymorningrides9142 make sure you use the cold start. It's very important. Do you use it?

[@scottgaskill4896]

It shouldn't bog down from running it slow