2023/2024 KTM Big Issue!?

I took my 300KTM engine a part with not even 20hrs in it and I find an unexpected big surprise which should not happened.
#enduro #ktm #ktm300xc #urmosi

[@jpsholland]

Mister, it is not that making parts in Europe become to expensive, have it made in China mean more profit, because they still ask "made in EU" prices. That's the whole thing. Like the USA is going down by their own greed, so does Europe who became a copy of the US. Money, money, money, more, more, more, that's all that count. That never goes well at the long term. In the old days the customer was a king, now the customer is a pay slave.

[@jpsholland]

I have an Italian TM, but no Chinese parts to be found. The engine is 100% made in Italy.

[@williamcrotts7054]

You think that's a good thing?

[@jeff40]

​@@williamcrotts7054Maybe kind of like when Harley-Davidson was bought by Aeromacchi or some Italian company in the 1980's. Or AMF was the company.

[@williamcrotts7054]

Both of the TM's I've known of were sold within 6 months of ownership. Both were 23 300's and both were FI'd. Seized, caught on fire and power valve reset problems. No help from the factory what's so ever. I had one on order and canceled ASAP. I think they'd be a great bike if you lived next door to the factory. Sealed main bearings on the crank were the cause of the seizure.@@jeff40

[@motozz8258]

@@williamcrotts7054 defiantly anything is better or just as bad as a ktmhuskagas enjoy your chinese ktm , dosent matter anyway they have always been second rate to the Japenese stuff. At least TM is a genuine bike

[@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv]

The company who built those bikes are making most of the parts in house I saw a few of them they are unique for sure

[@martincannondale2442]

The biggest problem with today's engines is the high emissions requirements, which means they get too little fuel, which makes them much hotter because fuel also cools the engine.

[@jonsainsbury8726]

Not really ...depends on brand.... --Yamaha, Beta, Sherco, Reiju all wisely use Keihin carbs...

[@motozz8258]

eeeeeexcuses , pile of shite always have been . Which problem this model it is like a game at owners expense.

[@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv]

That's exactly right and what worries me more I adjusted the TPS to "send" more fuel to the engine

[@mixalis6168]

@@jonsainsbury8726 They use carbs due to being small companies, but they still have issues, my mates Shero was horrible

[@curtiscollins2174]

Very well said agree 100%. I've owned 13 new KTM motorbikes since 2011 if they go china I'm going blue. True story..

[@rowynmaddocks6731]

Yamaha is busy developing a 300 enduro with fan electric start

[@reineherrera8897]

There is a channel on here called “Pinit Racing Development”. He has found that the 250/300 two stroke pistons at high revs can actually touch the crank and shatter the piston. His fíx is shaving the bottom back-side of the piston down about 2mm and/or using a Wossner piston which is forged instead of cast.

[@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv]

I called those guys and I’m going to order one of those wossner pistons.

[@onthethrottle7104]

I would not rely on that guy, that place (pinit racing) is a joke.

[@bertbroeder1832]

@@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atvMade in Germany Wössner D-79576 Weil am Rhein

[@HPRaceDevelopment]

Fake news.

[@garbageman3992]

hate what ktm is doing right now. If im paying that much for a nice machine I want a nice machine! obviously good quality Indian and Chinese, especially Taiwanese products can be made if quality control is there but I think that this is a mix of poor quality control and bad engineering. I heard that the tolerances are just too tight and things can hit one another if really stressed and when you look at the wear patterns on that cylinder and piston something is obviously not round, and its our by lot for it to still be untouched at 16 hours of riding. we need ktm to keep good quality control and to make their products much more in austria and other developed nations.

[@curtiscollins2174]

Very well said sir.

[@peteregger7928]

KTM owner since 2011. On my 4th one, a 24 300SX. If KTM keeps outsourcing what's the point in owning one? Seems their decent into mediocrity is accelerating. When I discovered KYMCO (Taiwanese) on my cylinder... well serious disappointment ensued! "Made in China" is also problematic for me because they are a Communist country whose government, military and probably half their population are very hostile to Western style democratic countries and would like nothing more then to see the United States removed from the face of the planet! When "given a choice" I will not buy from these types of countries so it's not just about the quality of parts and manufacturing. "Made in China" is a "Red Flag"... pun intended! I still believe that for the most part their products are still inferior and garbage! Before anyone says well you're probably typing all this on your Chinese made iMac! You would be correct but then I didn't have a choice did I? All of this is about the usual paradigm! Money, greed and corruption. If I buy another new machine and KTM doesn't reverse course I will most likely be switching brands. The Japanese have also adopted the "Global" model in search of low wages and maximized profits screwing their own country and countrymen as well! Beta maybe? That bike is also on its way to Globalized parts but I believe the engine and trans are still mostly Italian? Rant over!

[@chetwinkles5051]

Well said. We in the USA have given away our core strength which was manufacturing. I want it back.

[@peteregger7928]

Thank you!@@chetwinkles5051

[@MichaelSchwab-nk4rm]

Agreed.

[@mark_Hershey]

I am having major issue with my 2023 300xc. I did do a top end and zero sign of any piston/crank contact. My issue is a random bog. Here’s my experience so far… Bike is a 2023 300xc, VBKXCP233PM322***, bought last November(2023), didnt start riding until march of 2024. All stock. At 25hr the bike started to bog randomly(approximately may 3). Bog just happens, usually very subtle, usually after at least 1/2 hour of riding. I ride on a small Mx track with several jumps, 70’ being the biggest. I ride moderately on track but aggressively on straight aways. Bike never dies, just wont accept throttle, usually only for a few seconds but has happened a couple of times where I could stop and try to rev it but it won’t accept throttle, just hear throttle body open. Then it’s fine for a bit. It doesn’t act like it’s fouling out and has never fouled a plug. Does not seem like a short, seems like a fuel delivery issue. I do not ride in mud or pressure wash, and when I do wash it it’s with a shower setting on hose with a rag and bucket of soap. Issue started at 25 hr, now has 44hr, in that time i have done these things, the list is not exactly in the order i did them… -Replaced inline fuel filter multiple times -Replaced fuel pump pick up filter($60) -Tested old fuel pump(48psi) and replaced with new fuel pump, with part number ending in 200(supposedly updated)($275) -stripped down and checked wire harness, also with bike running trying to move wires to find short. -ended up cutting open wire harness and checking for shorts on main trunk. Looked beautiful in there. -pulled all connections looking for issues -changed spark plug 3 times, plugs always looked good, never fouled one, currently tried a 7 range plug.($25) -had dealer update software and look for codes, there were none($130) -did top end(used vortex oem piston)and pulled and cleaned power valve at 37 hr per ktm customer service advice($350) -Set power valve to 48mm(z dimension) -Adjusted tps to .400 volts, reset tps with wake up connector and 3 throttle twists -recalibrated power valve on both maps multiple time -changed crank case sensor twice, even used sealant on last one to be sure wasn’t leaking($120) -current compression is 208 psi, was 196 before top end at 37hr -current deck height is between 0.00 and .008, squish is like 2.12 -tried different fuels, one was an ethanol free 93 octane -unplugged battery(no ideal why) -Bike wrecked me, took to dealer(6/27/24) and this time it had 2 stored codes- P012211 throttle grip position sensor A short to ground p140312 exhaust valve short to battery… Some are saying codes could be from unhooking stuff during top end. Which would make sense since it been doing this for 20 hours and at 15hr there were no codes. I’ve spent over $1000 in parts and dealer service and many hours trying to find this issue. Curremtly I’m down with 2 broken ribs and a lacerated spleen because the bike bogged on a small jump 4 days ago(6/23/24) after another failed attempt to correct it. Ktm and the ktm dealer said this will have to be replicated when it’s hooked up or they cant find the issue. That is not something that a dealer is set up to do. I cant sell this bike because it’s dangerous and has no solution in sight. Dealer is hesitant on me proceeding with them repairing because digging into will be expensive, and a good chance problem will not be cured. I have attempted many repairs and Guinea pigged this bike until it ultimately injured me. I had another dealer tell me that after all the diagnostics I’ve done there really isn’t much they can do. I do understand my current dealers hesitation as a failed repair puts me in danger. I need help with this situation.

[@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv]

Firs of all there is a known and unfortunately a common problem with the 2023 bikes to have a bog issue. most people find it to have problem with a TPS connector I definitely recommend you to check or replace the injector even if its looks good a number of them have a faulty system what can be fixed if you send it to Taco Moto here is some fix from other peoples having the same issues : "thought I'd fixed it with faulty tps replacement, it turns out it wasn't bad, but the pig tail connector pulled one of the tps pins out so it mist have been a bit corroded." "Hi mate, yeah i manage to solve this pretty quickly actually. So i checked the voltage on the throttle position sensor and it was all good! But when i unplugged the throttle position sensor there was actually a bit of water sitting right in that plug. I dried it out and sprayed in some electrical connection spray and the problem has been solved since! Also cleaned the injector and new inline and in tank sock filter as well. I think it's a faulty fuel pump now, 48 hours only. I ordered a new one, the wiring harness is know go go bad also, so for another $300 spent on a new one for peace of mind. Also bought rhe taco moto inline fuel pressure tester. Oh, and I replaced the start stop button with the nihilo dual setup since they are know go go bad also. And a new spark plug and trimmed a rethreaded fhe spark plug cap. Very frustrating, since still swinging in the dark. Nearly bought a left over 2024 for parts swapping then came to my senses I don't need two temperamental bikes lol. Up until 48 hours, I loved this bike and it sounds like my problems are not isolated. I'm going through the same on my 2023 husqvarna tc250 I've taken it 8 times counting today when I dropped it off and dealer can't find anything. Every time I go ride it I get so scared not knowing when it's going to fail. It's no longer fun waking up in the weekend I wake up nauseous knowing I have to ride that bike Good luck,.

[@goodboyringo9716]

I'm glad I didn't buy a KTM in 2018, 19, 20 , 21, 22, 23, or 24 But this is how long I been watching them.

[@johnlogan1333]

looks like its running lean, richen the mixture and use quality oil , also the correct heat range plug.

[@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv]

The manufacturer say 60:1 I do 50:1 and I adjusted the TPS and with that the engine gets more fuel.

[@johnlogan1333]

Hi Rob, that's good, ride safe dude 🙂@@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv

[@Pompomgrenade]

I've been riding that CR since 2003 but it scuffed the piston wall at last repair😂 which granted the machine another piston... And probably another 25 or 30 hours on it currently... The bottom end is never been split 🪓 I'm glad I don't have modern two-stroke machinery..🐒 and I'm not buying a new cylinder f*** it it's still runs

[@dandersonjr]

I've never heard of this problem before.

[@andreasbrodie4901]

Interesting. I havent heard about this yet. I just did a top end on my 2023 250XC and everything looked brand new inside. I ride harescrambles so im not high in the rpms all the time. Thats a shame to hear as this is the best bike ive ever owned!

[@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv]

I think you going to be ok if you not do high rpms still good to look out for a TSP kit which can deliver more fuel to the engine. have one on the way I make a video about what it dose

[@mikesampont6091]

I'll Stick with my Beta 300RR...Sorry you had to pay so much for your bike to fail. Good luck and thanks for the videos.

[@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv]

I look at it as a good experience and I'm lucky enough to get a replacement parts for low cost. The Beta is a good choice to have when it comes to reliability, Thank you

[@carlogigante5239]

Ready to race! To the shop 😂😂😂

[@user-hn6cg3lc7y]

Very good explanation about KTM quality. I love KTM but I can not understand the way the way to make business, that is bade..

[@chadrides914]

Man you are awesome. How old are you? I watched a bunch of videos and you ride hard and with lots of skill!! Sorry to hear you got a tpi issue. My friends tpi engine lost compression at 50 hrs and he’s a vet enduro c rider local. And I don’t agree with you on China; IMO it’s all junk if it comes from China electronics excluded.

[@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv]

I’m close to 50 😅 I really enjoy riding and I spend a lot of time practicing to be in shape. Far as the bike it’s part of the riding I get upset first but I see it as an opportunity to make it better, thank you

[@user-fz8fy4zl1c]

Kymco make the cylinders! No wonder they are grenades!!

[@julianmorris9951]

Is this only in the two strokes 🤔 because I’m thinking of buying a ktm 500 excf for trail riding, I’ll do more research on this, I had a 2015 ktm duke 125 brand new that was made in India, it was very good quality except for the rear shock that crapped out at 4000 miles!!! but you could see the shock was priced down.

[@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv]

The 4 strokes are perfectly fine. This is all because of KTM have to deal with the European emissions rules. This problem is with two strokes what made in 23-24 and if the bikes gets ride hard!

[@onthethrottle7104]

KTM is only moving the Duke 390 to India. All of their dirt bike assembly is staying in Austria. Also, you don't quite have the correct story on what's causing the issue you show with the cylinder/piston but I'm not going to go into it because it is a debatable point. And last, even if you don't have a warranty you could go to your KTM dealer and KTM and discuss the issue and they would probably help a normal owner. However, there are documented youtube videos showing you have messed with the bike and it's not technically stock any longer. I hope all is going to work out for you. Cheers.

[@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv]

I don’t really have a story on what happened with mine other than I don’t use my KTM in a normal circumstances but I think it still should handle the high rev speed runs and I just show you the condition what the bike has after a low hrs. Far as mods what I did is actually adding more fuel=lubrication to it and know I do ad more aftermarket parts to make it better and more reliable. Cheers

[@johngray722]

Chinese parts on the most expensive bikes show them by buying another brand

[@carlogigante5239]

16.8h shouldn't that be covered under warranty?

[@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv]

KTM dose not give warranty on they bikes

[@user-fz8fy4zl1c]

I ride blue,never a problem but my mates ride orange and nothing but problems!

[@Sustrii]

Chinesium, ktm and cfmoto and all the other chinesium things that are in bed with ktm are amazing

[@onthethrottle7104]

More internet spew, just throw it out there by using your iPhone made in China.

[@charlesdufour3676]

I don’t know why but my 2024 300xc-w the cylindre is still a elco, not a kymko

[@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv]

I did a post on instagram about this issue and people saying the elco is letting water in to the cylinder andthats causing a cracked cylinder head that's why KTM changed to kymko even if the cylinder nikasil was way better on the eclko there is 4M views on the post and a lot of pro mechanics comments (urmosithrottle)

[@charlesdufour3676]

I just find that on inst thank you my friend, i hope my engine will blow i’ll change everything in good aftermarket cylidre-piston-head 🤘🏻

[@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv]

@@charlesdufour3676 Hopefully you lucky and not getting to much damage. What I recommend is if you hear a cranking or weird sound stop the engine right the way like I did. Good luck 🍀

[@charlesdufour3676]

Yeah for sure

[@HPRaceDevelopment]

The piston is not even an issue...This is a very poor video and extremely misleadng

[@Pompomgrenade]

Your cylinder sounds like a bargain.. It's 550 for my 2000 CR125 cylinder.. brand new factory nickasil plated.. But Not much cheaper than your current machinery😂

[@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv]

That's interesting I didn't thought Nikasil a cylinder cost that much. least you treat your bike well

[@rebekahfrench5747]

Greed has killed KTM's reliable brand.. I'll happily stick with my older huskys that were made by husqvarna.. no orange in this camp..

[@marktarascio4766]

They did not have piston problems till using China pistons enough said.

[@onthethrottle7104]

They don't use China pistons.

[@marktarascio4766]

@@onthethrottle7104In that case maybe they should .

[@jpsholland]

I dont know what KTM is using today, but in the old days they came with German Mahle pistons. And that is pretty high end stuff.

[@marktarascio4766]

@@jpsholland Don't know who either but the piston is hitting the crank

[@jeff40]

I have a 2011 ktm 300xc and it came stock with a Vertex piston. I rebuilt the top end and used a Vertex piston. I haven't had any problems at all. I do change the transmission oil & air filter after every other ride unless it's a really dusty or muddy ride then I change the air filter right away.

[@motomatt6752]

Probably best to fix up and sell your pumpkin 🎃 bike. And just keep riding the blue beast. There simple affordable and have endless parts available. Just like anything the more complex you make something the less reliable it is unfortunately and it just drives the price up 12,000 dollars for a dirt bike is ridiculous

[@curtiscollins2174]

Very well said

[@MichaelSchwab-nk4rm]

Agreed

[@infinityphotorob]

This is such a disappointment that KTM has done this with manufacturing. But this has come with EU green policies, labor issues and this push toward globalization. Manufactures are making all sorts of compromises to engine performance and life to meet stupid environmental standards that should not apply to such a small segment of motorized vehicles. In the end I think everyone loses. Except chinese brands like CF Moto and Kove who will take over the market in the near future. Why pay KTM price for a China bike? Why not get a Kove that is proudly chinese and has all the innovation they can throw at it vs KTM staying in their safe lane they created for themselves. Kove built the 450 Rally that KTM should have built back in 2008 replacing the 640 A. Instead they put out bikes no one asked for or cared about, but people bought anyway. Watch Kove put out a 100hp 450lb twin with dirtbike suspension and just take over everything. I have ridden KTM since 2003. My old 300s were bullet proof. My 640 is bulletproof.

[@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv]

Kove is coming out with a modern specification 450 and an a promising E- Bike they are targeting a global market alongside with a number of other Chinese companies

[@ronwest7930]

Those Chinese parts are how they sell KTMs so cheap...

[@rowynmaddocks6731]

Kymco chinese scrap