2023 Ford Ranger: Have they fixed the 10R80 10sp transmission? | Auto Expert John Cadogan

[@MrWilliam.Stewart]

If only their budget to pay for engineers was as large as their budget to pay for lawyers.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Quite.

[@bartylobethal8089]

If they spent more on engineering, they would need to spend less on lawyers. I guess if they skimp on engineering and spend a bit more on legal fees they still come out in front. Remember you are not a valued customer, you're a number, and just a small one in the scheme of things.

[@dtnicholls1]

@@bartylobethal8089 How's that working out for Toyota now though....

[@RupertReynolds1962]

Ford has a long history of the cycle that goes "Build a reputation for quality; crap on it while keeping prices high until your reputation is shot; repeat".

[@mahuru3]

@@dtnicholls1 touché

[@billharris3650]

It will be interesting to find out if it is a hardware or a software fault. Makes me like my D-max manual even more...

[@patrickmaher4909]

This is not a issue, just some people enjoy being negative if they possible can.

[@charliecharlie9787]

Isuzu

[@FishandHunt]

I'm currently driving a bi-turbo 10 speed Ranger at work after a previous 3.2 6 speed Ranger. My everyday user assessment is that the 10 speed is shit compared to the 6 speed.

[@4sumcrazyshit]

How's your 10 speed Ranger now?

[@erwin734]

Still shit.

[@garynew9637]

He just told you.​@@4sumcrazyshit

[@ZanderDelport-s2i]

​@@4sumcrazyshit 2024 biturbo is great trans also it shifts smooth and the biturbo is pulling hard gearbox is fast and no clunking it always select the right gear also

[@sa2591-p5d]

Thanks John, it’s very refreshing to hear this. The auto trade is a bit of a conspiracy, the commercial media ALWAYS goes soft on these manufacturers because they rely on advertising from those same manufacturers. Poor old consumers are left trying to figure out what’s going on- I had a similar experience with VW were they straight up bare faces denied everything (I sweated they’d deny the sky is blue if it wasn’t in their interests to do so) and just played brinkmanship knowing they’d win. Of course I will NEVER buy another VW after that experience and it sounds like Ford may have a similar moral compass.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Very perceptuve. Reporting and advertising are inherently conflicted.

[@ryanbroughton1476]

Ontario, Canada. Wife's 2019 Ford ranger is shifting hard now and 3 times has slipped out of gear. Once while turning into a gas station across 2 lanes of traffic.

[@vonJaerschky]

FWIW, we have two 10R80's in the family. One in my 2018 3.5EB F150, and the other in my son's 2021 Ranger. Both transmissions have been absolute champs. I've towed quite a bit in my F150, hauling a 6,500lb travel trailer through the Rocky Mountains. No issues at all with either transmission.

[@davidbarnsley8486]

Short and sweet and to the point Looks like I will be sticking with the old Colorado and 6speed auto , seems just right I just don’t get all this smaller engine lots more gears I haven’t had one person say they think it’s a good idea Let’s go back to 3.2 and six speed manual or autos 👍👍

[@farken7467]

I suffered the 6R80 and Fraud replaced 2 of them. The third or turd let go at 155000klms in reality it had only travelled 85000klms. So after 3 transmissions and backup support from fraud that was shameful I wish anybody well who thinks a 10R80 might be a better bet. It's a bit like the Datsun 200B that replaced the 180B. 20 new faults and problems to live with.

[@marcusbarnes5929]

Did you ever service the 6 speed auto transmission? The trans oil only last about 50,000km and its comes out black. Ford recommend 250,000km service which is an absolute joke. The tranny torque converter slips that much it just burns oil fast especiall if towing. Best to put in the bypass valve and tyranny cooler and then get a tune on it to stop it slipping. Then it's decent.

[@farken7467]

@@marcusbarnes5929 I sure did and at 85000 I thought a transmission was due. It had not towed but lived on the freeway. That's when disaster was discovered. I've been told and read all sorts of tales about what causes it. Mostly it's down to a fault in the design of the torque converter. Post May 2015 models don't suffer from it and the Chinese made transmission in the petrol doesn't suffer either, only the US made 6R80 and history repeats itself. The new Ranger looks the goods but I wouldn't risk my money on one.

[@SevenSixTwo2012]

I bought a used 2014 ex-police truck with over 200,000 kms on it and it's got the 6R80 in it coupled to a V8 engine. Trans has never been serviced before, as when I dropped the pan to change the fluid + filter, both were black and dirty. The trans shifts perfectly with zero issues, like it's new. These transmissions are of the heavy duty type and have been used in commercial applications, such as Ford's cube trucks. It is by far the most reliable combo when coupled with the 5.0L Coyote V8 engine. These transmissions do have an issue before a certain year with the valve body assembly, but that's a fairly easy fix with updated parts from Ford. Keeping clean fluid in the 6R80's is crucial, as dirty fluid (metal clutch particles) sticks to solenoids and sensors, causing this trans to do weird things such as downshift at speed or even lock the wheels while driving. This does not happen with clean fluid, or with the updated valve body installed.

[@bert0522]

I had a 2007 Ranger, we just traded it off because I can't drive anymore. It had 59,000 on it and was a beast. This is more a family truckster with a big open trunk, not a working mans truck. Jim

[@johnbodnar3720]

you are right about the after purchase service

[@AutoExpertJC]

Yep. Sad but true...

[@AdrianDaynes]

Love your work John.

[@drazmarinic5991]

So true John ,glad my first and only ford wildtrak is sold had problems and ford left me in shitsville never going near the brand again

[@joshobrien6188]

I've got a next gen and it's not the transmission that concerns me it's the oil pipe return turbo, spilling oil everywhere, and now a temperature sensor that has decided to go on my v6, which now makes it sound like a lumpy V8. Ford have got a lot of issues to sort on the next gen.

[@iainhetherington4608]

My daughter and son-in-law have just bought a Ranger bi turbo 10 speed , less than 1k klms won’t move in the morning, backward or forward , of course it’s a holiday they have to wait till tomorrow’s open time to get some action WTF !

[@MattBrownbill]

Genuine question, when was 5 gears not enough? Occasionally I may think, oh, I could do with a sixth gear, but how many people driving in 'ninth' , wish they had another gear?

[@rogersmith7396]

190 mph Corvettes.

[@americarsqueensland1667]

10 speeds, it will be constantly changing gears as speed varies and thus a very short life expectancy compared to a good 4 speed auto with a lock up.

[@351tgv]

does not work that way. close ratio gears are always preferred over long ratio gears for one simple fact, torque curve, a close ratio gears transmission will always be in the engine sweet spot where efficiency and speed are at optimal levels, the older 4-sped autos were basically 3 direct drives with 1 over drive which needed short final drive ratio to keep engine revs in the torque curve range which is not good for efficiency.

[@jimnewport3477]

Hi just wondering I have a 2018 wildtrak 3.2lt with the 6 speed transmission done about 30,000km should I be concerned about anything with this model cheers Jim

[@JonathanTsardakis-oo2qm]

I’d have to disagree with this! We had a Ford a few years ago had some ongoing issues Ford brought it back and could not fault customer care at all. We have another Ford now.

[@paultabone2010]

I was going to buy the new 2022 ISUZU D.max X terrine .... And took the 2022 V6 Diesel wildtrack for a drive and loved that too . What would be your first choice on either one. I love your in put over the years..

[@Low760]

Dmax motor is better for the long run, there isn't a machine shop that just does 4jj1 rebuilds every day exclusively like there is for Fords Ranger motors. Assuming you're keeping it longer than 3 years of course.

[@paultabone2010]

@@Low760 yes I will keep this next one for 10 to 13 years I would say .. thank you for your advice. cheers 👍😃

[@angelocampana6681]

I think I will stay with stick shift. Hey John any more vids of you doing those impressive chin ups?

[@paul512bmi]

Ok, so I was going to save a few $ and buy either the Musso or GWM Cannon, but John recommends not to. Every ute I looked at, John has done a negative review on, I then thought ok, I'll borrow bit more and buy the ute which wins all the tests, the new 22 Ford ranger, but wait, John just ripped them to... It seems no matter which ute I look at, John has torn apart, unless I go with the Mitsubishi triton, which has all the ingenuity of a ute from 1997..

[@paulyb5520]

Here is one for you, for the last 2 yrs My ranger has had three gear box problems two new gearboxes ,and now three engines and Ford won't refund me or replace the vehicle. Every six months it has broken down and my ranger has spent 7 months in the last two years in there work shop and still the ford take no responsibility for there problems instead keep fixing with bandaids. There is a big problem at ford Australia..

[@RJ-vb7gh]

I saw the head of the design team for Ford's 10 speed transmission in the release video of the first version of this trans... He stated that the design parameters were: 1 To make this transmission the same size as the 4 speed. 2 To make this transmission lighter than the old 4 speed. 3 to rate it for a heavier or identical load as the 4 speed and he seemed very proud his departments achievement in time and under budget. I don't remember him saying anything about durability or whether it was still going to be cost reduced. But 6 more forward gears, in a trans the same size and lighter than a 4 speed tells me something has to give. Why am I not surprised that it's durability and reliability especially after the bean counters got though with cost reducing the components and outsourcing the parts manufacturing to the lowest bidders. While I agree that electronics can be compacted and improved, size and weight matter in mechanical systems. For example, everyone knows that you can replace a 27 mm bolt with a 10 mm bolt and it will be smaller, lighter and cheaper. But will it hold your wheel on when you hit a big pot hole? I don't believe that engineers have gotten stupider, it's just that design parameters have changed and reliability and durability aren't critical design criterions any more. It's all about features, specs, compliance, profit and price point.

[@carlgreisheimer8701]

Have ever noticed how manufacturers do not mention "BED SIZE" that much any more.

[@stevenkirk2563]

Why is it a turbo 400 trans built 50 years ago always manages to shift perfectly (vacuum operated) & last a lifetime ? Cars are built by bean counters and the engineers are a far cry second.

[@shoharasurahim4132]

John sir... In my country T6 Ranger is one of popular pick-up (ute) truck around.. however most reliable bunch is 6 speed auto with 2.2 puma.... Much reliable than newer engine. The newer 2.0 bi turbo with 10 speed auto is atrocious... Jerking issue, always at limbo mode, some engines do crack at cylinder head...turbos with sequential problems... Compressor wheel suspicious malfunction after warranty...list goes on for miles... Many with 2.0 bi turbo utes just perform as vanity mirror, symbol status not used as workhorse at gravel or mud tracks... Just occasionally go through flooded places during monsoon...

[@MotoRidesVietnam]

So what should we get instead of the ranger?

[@shoharasurahim4132]

@@MotoRidesVietnam ask John for that... He will gladly give you answer...

[@_Alfa.Bravo_]

@@MotoRidesVietnam In Thailand No1 Dmax, then Hilux, then Triton, then Navara

[@4sumcrazyshit]

​@@_Alfa.Bravo_japanese cars are reliable

[@4sumcrazyshit]

​@@shoharasurahim4132where is your country?

[@Deatomizer]

My 2017 Everest with 140k on the OD is running just fine. Recently I had to replace an Adblue part that was triggering the engine light. Ford offered to cover all costs and I had a free loan car to boot. All manufacturers and not just Ford have their issues. Isuzu, Toyota with their class-action lawsuit here in Aus.

[@TheKnobCalledTone.]

To be fair, the real problem with Ford's R&D isn't in the engineering department - it's the beancounters refusing to give the engineers a big enough budget to do the job properly. It's horrifying to think this mentality is the reason why the Pinto was such a disaster, yet Ford continues operate this way nearly half a century later.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Yes - that's almost certainly the case.

[@tba3900]

The actual problem is tran assembler having too many CBF moments.

[@craigquann]

The R and D was a joint venture with GM. And GM isn't having problems with the 10 speed... Their 8L90 however...

[@philmenzies2477]

@@tba3900 Really? The gang of "assemblers" who likely work at a different location, (possibly another state even), probably not even FoMoCo, one of whom puts the housing on an assembly line, the next who fits some spindles, others who fit clutch packs, until finally the housing is bolted together. A dozen workers down the line. That multitude of "assemblers" are to blame?

[@tonybennett638]

Scotty Kilmer reckons they are a problem in both GM and Ford ...

[@danpol3073]

Hi John. A question if you please. Is there a point where there are just too many gears in some of these automatic gearboxes? I’m a mechanic, not an engineer. Perhaps you could do a report on these gearboxes. Thanks.

[@marcusbarnes5929]

Gears closer together actually put less strain on the transmission as it's less of a jump to the next gear and also keeps the RPM in the sweet spot.. Think of gears on a 10 speed mountain bike ...the more gears the easier it goes to the next gear when pedaling while gaining more speed and forward drive not noticing any extra strain... Now start off on a 4 speed mountain bike in 1st and jump to 4th gear and feel the strain immediately and rpm pedal rotation significantly drop out of the sweet spot range placing more straing on drive line.. Driving the ranger 6 speed to the 10 speed huge difference in gear changing speed and lag.

[@frednurks8528]

So you want a work truck that can tow 3.5 t ? So is a ten speed gearbox the right choice? I suggest the humble Ute is trying to be everything for everyone. If you are consistently carrying/ towing heavy loads ask yourself do you want a mechelectroic control system hunting through ten gears? If you have an appreciation of how an auto trans works then you can understand how many clutch plates are applying/ releasing pressure to select the gear for performance but an overriding priority for economy. If you still wish to buy this vehicle then find out how many of the ten gears are overdrive , so when towing heavy loads limit the gearbox to gears that are not overdrive. Example if 8, 9, 10 are overdrive, tow in 7 max. Also stay away from using cruise control. I would rather pay a few extra $ in fuel then having to pay for a transmission overhaul.

[@NNoradIV]

Not sure why this "never tow in overdrive" thing comes from. My 4L80E has no problem pulling max load in 4th.

[@frednurks8528]

@@NNoradIV I’m assuming you are referring to a 4 speed transmission? If so, most 4 speeds would not have an overdrive top gear. 4th would normally be a ratio of 1 to 1. So that is fine when towing. If my assumption is incorrect , I apologies and glad to hear your transmission is serving you well. Happy motoring.

[@seadoomania]

Do rangers do tow mode like the F150?

[@ravenof1985]

@@frednurks8528 every Ford 4 speed Auto i can think of has an overdrive 4th, its 50/50 on the manuals though

[@NNoradIV]

@@frednurks8528 the 4L80e is an automatic transmission with the 3rd being 1:1. With the current age of computerized everything, I would suspect modern auto transmissions to have sufficient programming to downshift when engine load increases beyond a certain point to prevent damage from overloading. However, this is Ford, so we never know.

[@StingyGeek]

Ford has issues with a gearbox. Could never see that one coming. Ford focus owner.

[@graemeottey]

The LA law firm of Dewey, Cheatem & Howe. Ford have been at the “save $2 to stiff the cu-ntstomer” for decades. I remember a service advisor telling me when I worked at Fred as a mechanic in 2001 that they were saving $2 per AU Falcon by not galvanising the body fully and it was cheaper to repair the rusty cars under warranty. Cause cars rusting at 5 years? Not fords problem. Those car rattling around Alice springs or mount Isa? Never going to rust so that’s $2 saved there.

[@davidnobular9220]

Haha !! Was that a nod to Leisure Suit Larry in the land of the Lounge Lizards ?

[@keith4886]

The manufacturers have only themselves to blame. The 10 spd auto trans was a problem right from the start but they were bullheaded & continued to push it. Therefore they get everything they deserve from this lemon. A 10 spd tranny is not needed in a passenger car or a pickup truck. The more complex these modern machines become, the liklihood of something going wrong increases. A 10spd tranny does not save gas. It continually changes gears all the time to meet the needs of the road. Some of these transmissions are wearing themselves out after 40-50,000 miles. A sensible five speed tranny with sensible chosen ratios would be a much safer bet. That, or a 2spd rear axle in the pickup trucks would increase gas mileage.

[@DavidAnderson-vt8iq]

Yes, how could we forget the Ford Firecracker of the 70's. It makes me question reality that so many people are ordering these before the company has had time to do its beta testing on new owners..

[@AutoExpertJC]

It did set the tone for decades to come.

[@rogersmith7396]

My 73 Triumph GT 6 made the Pinto look like a NASA Safety Research vehicle. It was rear ended but I miraculously survived.

[@patrickmaher4909]

Some one enjoys living in the past!

[@penfold357007]

John, your grasp of the English language is clearly excellent and very often humorous. We've been watching your videos for a long time now and forgive me for saying, but I'm pleased to see that the stupidity has been dialed down a bit. Just carrying on like a pork chop sometimes becomes hard to watch. Your information is very valuable and your delivery incredibly unique, I'm back on board as a viewer because I value your content in a sensible manner. Love it. Keep up the good work mate and thank you for educating us in buying a new car. 👍

[@rovak300]

you sound fun at parties

[@rhoelg]

well that's the only language he speaks lol

[@OiMitch]

This dude is pretty hard to watch I'm surprised he has such a large following

[@biglap.australia]

Thanks John, sounds like they haven't learnt anything. I joined 3 ranger owners groups on FB and it was liking reading a horror story. One guy got 40kms before his new Ranger transmission died. they took 3 months to give him a new car.

[@aroadlesstravelled7249]

Hi John, At the time of posting this report my wife, 3 year old daughter and I are enduring this very problem 3,500 klms from home(half way to Dingo piss creek). For more than 5 weeks now we have been hold up in Alice Springs while Ford have a mass debate, argue and deny what needs to be done. That is not with us, but with themselves. We, have been lied too, fed bullshit, told every excuse under the sun and still we wait. The parts division that are responsible for the generation of the order sheet sent to the dealer, have for more than 3 weeks refused to send the replacement shaft and its associated parts as they have a limited number of them in stock and are only distributing them where absolutely needed. Apparently a family stuck in the center of Australia aren't a priority. All under warranty so that's a plus, but a vehicle with under 40,000 ks just shouldn't have an issue like this. A couple of bonus points to note. We have been told both the Hydraulic pump and input shaft have (since late 2019) been upgraded (I hope so). Through Ford Care we have been given a nice rental Ford Everest with the same 10 speed to use. So far so good. They are also picking up the tab for our accommodation. Ford have finally organised the delivery of the parts and we have been told the Ranger should be back on the road by the 8th September, just shy of 7 weeks after the Torque converter went poopy in it's pants. We are not amused

[@Steve-ho5zj]

Back in the old days we had 3 gear autos. That was plenty.

[@AutoExpertJC]

And less torque...

[@paulmannix1760]

I can remember at one stage when the “good ole” Kingswood only had 2 Auto gears!

[@AutoExpertJC]

Powerglide. Yesssssss!

[@rogersmith7396]

My 70 Eldorado would be much better with 5 speeds. 14 second quarter miler.

[@markseehawer3762]

My question is why do you need a 10 speed transmission in the first place. the greater the complexity the more potential for failure. Its a smallish truck whats wrong with a 4 speed over drive, or a 5 speed manual. If the auto makers made engines with longer strokes and bigger fly wheels they would deliver more touque at lower rpm. This would give exceptable power with less gears. slower running engines last longer. and use less fuel. This is why Engines like the 5.9 cumins diesels will last up to a million miles. My 1994 cumins dodge runs at 1800 rpm at 100 kph Gets 22mpg not that bad for a 30year old 6000 lb truck.That truck will pull a 20' holiday trailer up a hill without shifting out of high gear. you dont need a 10 speed transmission, your not hauling 24000 lbs down the road like a semi. this is utter nonesence. 39 year mechanic here not some amature.

[@simonhjc]

💯 spot on. I really want to love the ranger. As an auctioneer in the industry i had the pleasure of a new company car every 5000-15,000 km. Mustang, landcruiser 300, jaguar, you name it. I was given a 2023 ranger v6 wildtrack. Loved the drive. Best in class. However it started to hesitate at round abouts, and got the classic tail shaft thump coming to a standstill. My personal mechanic and Ford dealer clients mentioned some of the warranty issues….. In retiring recently. I bought a hilux. I have cloent in major mining and i simply decided that a product coming to the end of its life cycle, would have less issues.

[@db5351]

Hi John, love your work. Any update on the 10R80 reliability over the past 12 months since this video was posted?

[@Sabumnim666]

Looks like all manufacturers are in the same crap thought pattern take a look at the so called best car maker Toyota they have shit on customers with unreliable 2.8l engines, and the dusting of engines in the 4WD. I mean the its a 4 WD intended for off road use. That took a class action worth over 2 Billion Aussie dollars. We have had Toyotas Fords Mitsubishis' and Mazda's None are any better or worse from our experience the only thing that I have found is the customer service. The claim of Ford being terrible has not been my experience I had the biggest bung fight with Toyota to get hem to pay for a warrantied sensor. I still do not see thousands of broken down new cars, and the biggest lease vehicle for personal use id the Ford Ranger. People need to understand that many of the KZbin stories are just that. Fan boys every where who have never owned the said troubled vehicles just want to vomit BS everywhere. Our mechanic told me of horror stories about the Fords of all types and he drives a BA ute since that time I have a new 10speed ranger and my sister has her 2017 mustang I asked him about the reliability issues etc he responded with not having experienced any in 3 years from any customers that were anything he had heard before.

[@MiltonAlisAssistant]

I have a Ford ranger 2021 68k miles. Bad transmission. Charging me 7k yo repair

[@samblundell1872]

People only buy rangers because other’ people buy rangers… they’re popular because everyone has one but they are an overpriced unreliable piece of snot…. If you like a flat brimmed cap, a sleeve tattoo and a thick silver necklace then the Ranger is for you!

[@jigsaw7019]

Sometimes I think everything is getting so over complicated, at the expense of longevity and reliability. Cars are fast becoming a throw away item. Remember the days of a simpler transmission life? TH400 transmission, hell even the old Holden Trimatic will far out live these 10 speed Shit boxes.

[@steaksbeers]

This video has been up for 5 mins, where's the comment regarding the t-shirt?

[@DanWallis86]

Ghs77 probably hasn’t got the best reception in his mums basement.

[@AutoExpertJC]

I'm getting apprehensive...

[@petercaldwell8674]

Why don't you do a segment on the recalls by Hyundai/ Kia that includes faulty heaters, exploding seat belts or towing harness fires instead of your constant BS about Ford. You can include Toyota and its new EV that people have been told not to drive because of risk the wheels can come off, as far as Kia/Hyundai owners they've been told to park cars always from buildings because of the risk of fire. Stick to selling products, you're getting tiresome shit canning other makes and now telling people not to buy a car because something might go wrong in the future with no information or facts. WAW 🤡

[@Martin2153]

John, the Ford 10R80 is, of course, the same gearbox as the GM 10L80, though I believe Ford and GM have their own factories. Have you any information on how the different versions compare between Ford and GM?

[@AutoExpertJC]

No - but it was certainly co-developed.

[@stevenkirk2563]

Co cockup lol

[@arpadmiklos7339]

For what it's worth, the Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 has had the 10L90 (higher max torque spec than the 10L80) since 2017 with practically zero complaints from owners, apart from very minor imperfections that are barely noticed even by enthusiasts. The main difference appears to be in the transmission tune that was produced separately by GM and Ford for their respective applications.

[@djm8027]

Buying a 4cyl wildtrack full spec in Thailand for $46000 drive away which I think is closer to what these Utes are actually worth. Wouldn't have one in Australia( $75000) as I don't need or want a ute and after test driving the D max, triton , and Ford which was the pick drive wise I have no idea why anyone would burden themselves with any of these unless you absolutely need one. Getting back in the wife's i30N Line after testing these was a relief and made the Hyundai like a premium brand.

[@soundman6645]

THIS is typical of all US car manufacturers and why they continue to hemorrhage market share to cars built anywhere else, by anybody else.

[@jimamizzi1]

I must be lucky, my 2015 fiesta 1.0 the transmission is fine, no problems at all

[@351tgv]

New Gen Ranger now has the 10R60 version of the 10-speed torque converter transmission, the main changes from the 10R80 are: - new torque converter that can handle up to 800Nm - different shift mapping - no longer has a "sports" mode" - manual mode gear lockout for over-drive gears (8, 9 & 10) which means you can lock out the over-drive gears - new adaptive logic control for the specific "drive" modes. That said there fundamental issue remains, the transmission fluid pump was not changed, the 10R60 core design is the same as the 10R80 so the best solution is transmission service ever 80,000km.

[@angusmacgyver1390]

The main issue with the 10R80 is that the thermostatic spring valve doesn't always open at the correct temperature range going above the 90-95'C capable of reaching temperatures of 121'C. the thinning of the fluid at those temperatures leaves the clutch plates to dry and touch each other and causes the harsh gear changes, this stresses the pumps pressure vanes in surges and can cause them to fail. Australian Ford dealers currently recommends changing transmission Fluids at 60,000km on the Ranger series of vehicles for any heavy towing vehicle use, but if you didn't notice that puts it out of the normal fixed cost period of the new car maintenance scheme costing about $600 minimum just for that service alone

[@351tgv]

indeed. but the new hen Ranger/Everest it now has a revised 10R60 so it appears that technical issue is now fixed, that said as I said the same pump remains.

[@grahamdodson6015]

I think you will find only the next gen ranger raptor has the 10R60. All other models are still running the 10R80.

[@351tgv]

@@grahamdodson6015 - nope all new gen Ranger have 10R60

[@billyp4850]

@@351tgv Not correct, diesel engined Rangers still use the 10R80 in updated guise (source - Ford's technical documentation). Also, the fluid pump drive gears were changed in late 2019 which fixed the drive gear disintegration issue.

[@karlfarrugia1204]

I'm so happy to see so many people following your KZbin reports I have followed your reports for quite some time and I just want to say thank you for your honest reports. Keep up the great work. Best Regards Karl Farrugia

[@danielmakris2663]

Good advise. But people cant help themselves but to compete with each other. Everyone wants the latest and maybe not so greatest shopping trolleys.

[@RobMingis]

I have a 10R80 and its a great performer. It has a little extra slip at lower speeds than i like, BUT mine has a problem that doesnt seem to be terribly common. Overnight the torque converte drains so when you start in the morning, the engine is not connected to the wheels and rolls backward for about 10 seconds while revving at 2500 rpm. Like clutch fully in for 2-3 car lengths until it picks up. Both Ford dealers in Sydney say this is normal, even having seen the video of it, which goes to what John says about ford being less than helpful. Only got some attention when i said what if it rolls back and hits a child. If this is normal, who did the risk assessment considering how many 10R80's are out there. Still battling and going back in tomorrow, even after a full solenoid valvebody and control module replacement. Would be interested to see if others have experienced this.

[@kymnewman3518]

All ford owners will happily drink the Coolaid John

[@MotoRidesVietnam]

The modern day Ford seems like junk and Ford doesn't want to support their customers. How sad. FORD always did stand for Found On Rubbish Dump. Somethings never change

[@kendavis1198]

I have a NEW 2022 F-150 LARIAT 3.5V6 Twin Turbo 4X4 with the 10R80 Transmission in it. The Truck has 1111 MILES on the ODO. I've been Driving it Quite Nicely, occasionally Getting on the Throttle once in a While. I Noticed Right outta the BOX that the Shifting was "KLUNKY", Especially downshifting from 5th / 4th "to" 3rd Gear is most often Quite a JOLT on the Running Gear. To me it's Actually a "BANG". The Truck is Now at "A" FORD Dealership in Sunnyvale California for this Very Issue, and a Couple other Small things. It's been there for 3 Day's now, Ain't heard a WORD From Anyone as of today (Day 3). Not sure they are gonna do "ANYTHING" To FIX this Issue??? Really Bummed Out on this. GREAT VIDEO John, GREAT Information. One can Only HOPE, they can FIX This B. S!!!!!!

[@paulthompson8480]

hi , Ford Ranger issues that should not have happened , egr cooler hand grenades , air-con units overcharged which hand grenades compressor , diff filler plugs that are way to low . Might be related as to why the LSD clutches fail just outta warranty . If u check enough vehicles the problems are for most part easy to recognise . Yet 98% donot have any bulletins from Ford . Oh yea I own a small fleet . Checked with the local hire company ,all the same issues . I proudly drive my Hilux to pick up the Fords at dealership when I have to visit them reluctantly .

[@simonhjc]

Spot on. Im an auctioneer in the industry (37 years) currently driving a mustang 10 speed 0-3000km so far. Box is slurred, thumping, uncertain.. its awful. The Ranger (last 2 with 10 speeds did the same at 3000km with an awful thump in tailshaft.)

[@MaCcAM40a3]

Except the same box is capable of a low 10 second pass with just bolt ons and will trap at 124mph stock. 😂

[@simonhjc]

@@MaCcAM40a3 dont get me wrong, ive had plenty of performance fords but every time i get in a 10 speed there is an issue. I think ford can lift their game.

[@Travelling_Jonoberries]

That’s why I am sticking with the QF Pajero Sport 2022 GSR 👍

[@johnsmith-ub7vr]

Have had 2 XLT ford rangers with 6 speed auto zero problems with either and good customer service. I must be just lucky and i have ordered the new v6 wildtrak with the 10 speed hope my luck holds up.

[@RocketRod63]

I’m with you 🤞 I’ve ordered the V6 Sports 😬

[@johnsmith-ub7vr]

@@RocketRod63 👍

[@K8TO88]

Thanks John, sincerely appreciate the advise, thinking it best I pull my order and wait…..

[@AutoExpertJC]

Spectating could be a wise move.

[@olibomb6560]

I’m gonna keep my order in, the 10 speeder has a different tune & the oil gear issues upgraded. Reckon they will again sell thousands of these.

[@royferntorp3575]

One has to notice how the market has gone mad with the old power glide indestructible trans. Only had 2 speeds. The first gear fully variable. Seems that more gears is a marketing tool.

[@rogersmith7396]

In the US CAFE is everything. Multispeed transmissions are probably to increase fuel economy so Gas pig manufactures can continue to rape gas pig customers. Ford using aluminum truck beds is an example. I would think that would be horrible in a work truck. But all these things will fade away with EVs.

[@nicktaylor7680]

Correct as usual John-so boring. My thoughts exactly -new ranger is way overhyped and overpriced. 70 grand for a ute? they have to be taking the piss. Also I feel the new ranger is just too big as to make it impractical, parking etc, and don't feel the need to compensate for any deficiencies "down there". So I left rat in the lab and went for a 2 YO Navara (I know I know) for half the price-yuss!

[@laynefischer2021]

$70k !!! Try $93k drive away for the new Raptor

[@olibomb6560]

At $70k they will walk out the door, and feature as a top seller in one segment or another.

[@patrickmaher4909]

Know of a guy who has sold a LC300, gone to a Ranger Wildtrak V6 Made a nice profit. Said tech, motor in the Ranger was similar, only difference was the LC300 had a way better ride, which you would expect.

[@tangbin8261]

Great review. I have the 2019 Ford Everest 2.0l 10speed. 80,000kms. Has the 10R80 transmission. 2.5 weeks ago on a rural road I got a dash warning light "Transmission Overheat" and lost full engine power. Had to ditch the car into the road verge. If I was on the Pacific Highway or the Hume I could have been killed. Dealt with Ford Care and car towed to Kloster Ford Raymond Terrace. The issue was originally identified as needing a new transmission, then identified as being able to be fixed by replacing the valve covers. Now its the failure of the transmission pumps which need to be replaced and which requires the transmission to be removed. I've asked Ford Motor Company Australia for a replacement vehicle or refund under Australian Consumer Law. In the only written communication from them or Klosters they have refused the request despite not being able to tell me when the car will. be fixed. From a lay person's perspective it seems like a major defect. They have also disputed the fact that the car should have been recalled for this exact issue despite the VIN being listed in the recall published by the Department of Transport (REC-00320). It's not over yet. And yeah I could have been killed by a known issue that was not fixed.

[@javic1979]

OH yay, still shifting like a 90's commodore.. why can't ford just use the 8 speed ZF built by ZF (not built under licence) and have smooth fast shifts in all gears and be done with it.. even with bmw, VW, jeep & others if there is an issue with the auto it will get replaced because ZF has a reputation to uphold

[@richardevans6655]

Haha I had a quiet giggle, regarding the model number of the woke 10sp trans. 10R80 reminds me of just 1080, wasn't that a hugely controversial poison. Irony dont you think haha Keep up the great and hilarious calling things out as they truly are, in only a way an Aussie can

[@Brucenycity]

Sick of Ford fobbing us off saying nothing wrong or sorry, not covered by warranty. Sold both Ranger and subsequent Everest and now have a 300 Series Landcruiser, made to get you back home again and not leave you stranded again because of shit design flaws.

[@jamiepratt9247]

Really liking these unscripted style vids John. Please keep up the great work. You are a breath of fresh air in this "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" world.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Thanks Jamie - I'm running a mad experiment on the popularity of these.

[@harrywalker968]

@@AutoExpertJC nothing wrong with a c6 auto.. nothing wrong with a 205 trans case,, nothing wrong with a 351 cleveland, nothing wrong with a 9'' diff, or dana.. why do people buy new sht, inc toyota.. i have an 02 s/duty, 4.2tdi. 700nm. 175 kw. 13LT 100.. weighs 4t.. done 260,000 ks,,no problems.. tows 9.5t..gross.. no computer, no glow plugs. just a dumb german diesel..with a ZF 5sp.

[@4sumcrazyshit]

​@@AutoExpertJCshould I buy the 2024 ford Ranger Wildtrak 4x4? Is it reliable now?

[@istp1967]

Why the bloody gell would I need a computer to change gears???

[@davidnobular9220]

For the same reason they want us in self driving cars ?

[@lc1966]

I got a 13 speed racer in 87... Had it for 3 year's and never pushed it past 8th

[@colinspencer2205]

Have no fears. Ford will find some way to use no-name bearings that last until the last day of warranty.

[@davidnobular9220]

You have to hand it to some of these manufacturers....(not just of cars, other things like appliances etc)....the skills are there. To make the product fail within 5 minutes of warranty expiry is not a trivial thing. But I guess they let the team down, because every now and then someone gets over 100,000km out of their Ranger or 3 years out of their $390 toaster.....(as examples).

[@351tgv]

let's not also forget that the ZF 6-speed that Ford Australia used in Territory and Falcon (i6 not the turbo 4 Falcon) were also having "milkshake" issues especially if people added aftermarket towing options and not upgrading the transmission with a transmission cooler. the Ecoboost Falcon had a different version of the ZF 6-speed that was made in China. Ford also licenced a version of the ZF 6-speed for previous gen Ranger/Everest in the 2.2.and 3.2 turbo diesel engines and they had issues early on in PX versions from 2011 to 2013 however since 2014 the 6-speed ZF in Ranger/Everest has been bullet proof. Ford also have a GM designed 8-speed torque converter (which is also actually a GM 9-speed auto for GM vehicles and some STLANTIS Models) that they use in Escape / Focus and other vehicles which we don't get in Australia that also in Focus ST has 2nd gear lockout (software wise) to make it a 7-speed auto. Ford also have CVT in there PHEV vehicles that are very similar to Toyota levels of reliability and finally Ford appears to have learned there lesson with DCT transmissions as all of them now are "wet" design systems example: Puma. about the only shame is that Ford dont offer a manual in Ranger ... that said Amarok will have a manual version and some say say the 2.3L turbo petrol 4 will have a manual version as a road based sports version.

[@georgebeare8883]

The so called milkshake was about the heat exchanger or the radiator failing and allowing coolant to mix into the trans oil

[@MultiSleaves]

Aaaand.......there goes my 10 speed auto! Waiting 1.5 months to even look at it. Ford Australia been good about hire car etc. Dealership frustrating with the time frame. Making working a trade a nightmare 28k km 1 year old. Under warranty

[@JJ-wi2uw]

The Lexus LC500 (an under rated GT coupe with a naturally aspirated 5 Litre V8 (351 KW) that sounds amazing) has a 10 speed auto. But that's a GT car and its a Lexus and should last. There are criminally few of them on the road partly because those that can afford them prefer to buy (unreliable) German brands.

[@MattBlack6]

My mate is onto his third gearbox and his third set of turbos in his Everest. Has lodged a claim with Ford Australia for a brand new replacement vehicle. Can't see Ford falling over themselves to provide that.

[@zambacan]

That is bad but surely this isn’t good business for Ford. If the new generation is still 10speed why wouldn’t they address faults when launching a new version? It’s like to be better.

[@patrickmaher4909]

Funny, I have actually owned two Everests. Both have been completely reliable, tow out 2.7 tonne CV. The current one purchased in 2019 has now down 78k kms, zero warranty issues. Never been back to a dealer since new. Most reliable and best vehicle I have own, and there has lot. Previously had Pajeros, that would rattle and become noisy after about 100k kms. The Everest still drives like new. Feeling sad for your friend of a friend.

[@MattBlack6]

@@patrickmaher4909 I do quite like his Everest it is a very nice car when it is running correctly. I do not think 78000 ks without issue is anything special though I think that should be an absolute bare minimum. Like my kids unloading the dishwasher think they have done something special, but they have really just covered the bare necessities.

[@zambacan]

@@patrickmaher4909 That’s good to hear.

[@patrickmaher4909]

@@MattBlack6 Matthew, looks like you do a lot of posts, must be a fountain of knowledge.

[@lucashack5318]

I own a 2020 Ford Ranger 4 cylinder 10 speed turbo 2.3 L. The transmission is absolute garbage. Clunky, slippy in shifts, jerky, rushes roughly through gears, randomly accelerates when creeping in traffic. This is the worst vehicle I've ever owned. It's a disaster.

[@abrakadabraangelov1829]

Hey John any new thoughts on the 10 speed on the Camaro and the Mustang.Have they fixed it for the 2021-2022 models?

[@paulthompson1654]

Diff filler plug to low and requires xtra .750 ltr oil . Oh by 100,000 km or mostly well before LSD clutches are worn out . Ford response not our problem outta warranty . Owned new Toyota ever since ,but like you luv the Ranger and still have it .

[@billyp4850]

Two points, the 10R80 transmission had two main issues in the PX3 Ranger. The standard vehicles (not the Raptor) had a really shit tune in it, which insisted on skipping gears which it was really rough with. The second and main fault was that the oil pump drive gears were disintegrating, the harshness of the diesel engine power pulses were chewing the gears out. They changed the gears in late 2019 production onwards for a tougher item that doesn't lose its teeth. The yanks love a good lawsuit, so it's no surprise that people that aren't happy with something launch a lawsuit. The "gen 2" ten speeds are significantly smoother than the first version. It was all in the tune.

[@skid06]

Are you saying that they have already fixed the issue from the first version? I really want to purchase the new gen Wildtrak 4v4 BiTurbo but wanted to be sure first if there's no issues anymore

[@billyp4850]

@@skid06 they've fixed the issues with the transmission years ago. But there are other teething issues with the Ranger that they're working on. By the time you order one and it arrives, all that should be worked out too

[@User-q6x3b]

Hi there. Do you believe the Rangers teething issues have been addressed by now? I'm looking at a 2023. Thanks

[@billyp4850]

@@User-q6x3b yeah, they mostly have. If you're ordering new you'll probably wind up with a 2024 considering the current wait times.

[@User-q6x3b]

@@billyp4850 thanks. I was actually looking at new 23's on the lot. I was just skeptical of the tranny and the 2.3 turbo

[@littlediablo]

I believe that 10 speed was jointly developed and is shared with GM as a 9 speed? If so, sounds like a box full of trouble from two masters of "hump your customers"

[@eyerollthereforeiam1709]

And this is why I don't buy the first year of ANYTHING. I don't feel like being the beta tester.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Quite right.

[@notathome13]

Ford, gm (aka holden) and other us based companies forgot customer service and engineering back in 2017…. Toyota and Japanese seemed to hit issue in 2019…. Elections jesless never has it. We are really in the never never atm.

[@lone_eagle3924]

And here I was things of getting a used 2019 raptor 😅 nice Engine bad transmission ow well looks like gotta look prospects to the Hilux ROGUE.

[@ar12.]

Hahah fords fucking up is hilarious my Volvo also has some transmissions issues but it’s 12 years old I still find it funny that ford can’t make a decent transmissions and something reliable their owners speak shit about Toyota while owning a ranger or Everest.😅

[@bogged2theeyeballs695]

I think you need to have your head read if you buy the first model run of ANY completely new vehicle from ANY manufacturer. Personal opinion only.

[@brown_bear]

The gearbox on the current Prado is a joke too. One of the worst calibrations I have had the displeasure to witness on a daily basis. Totally unacceptable and lazy effort. Just disappointing that we spend so much cash and get rubbish back.

[@daviddaw999]

I love your honesty, John. I do wonder why a vehicle such as a Ranger needs a 10 speed transmission. For a vehicle to need such a thing, it would have an engine with a desperately narrow power band. A case in point would be the small, multi-cylinder powerplants of Japanese racing motorcycles back in the 1960s, or a truck for heavy loads, fitted with a boosted Diesel engine. In my opinion, a big part of this fashion is manufacturers claiming bragging rights by playing a numbers game. 'If your 7/8 speed gearbox is good, then my 10 speed one must be better', is the kind of thing a maker might hope the public might believe. With that many gears to choose from, it's almost inevitable that a gearbox is going to hunt between ratios. My car history features plenty of conventional torque converter automatic gearboxes, and manuals of up to 6 speeds. I would never buy an automated manual transmission, and neither would I wish to own a DCT vehicle. You can call me a dinosaur, but these systems have not been around long enough for the bugs to be ironed out.

[@craigquann]

That trans is used on multiple platforms and engines. Turbo mustang and Camaro,the Ford F150 and GM' Silverado/Sierra and their Canyon/Colorado. With turbo petrol, turbo diesel and V8s. Plus a slew of others. It's an "all purpose" trans and the gearing is supposed to be the same idea as using a CVT. Perfect gear to say in the engines sweet spot. But yea 10 gears are excessive depending upon usage.

[@rogersmith7396]

9th on my 9 speed Jeep 2.4 is esentually never used. Apparently for above 100 mph. 7th and 8th are not normally used in my experience. It will shift 4 or 5 times going from a stoplight to the other side of the intersection. It does have a decent high speed pass on the two lane. The kickdown is very slow. Sometimes hitting the gas from stop produces nothing for 1-2 seconds. I really prefer manual 5 speeds.

[@craigquann]

@@rogersmith7396 you may think that. But they don't shift in sequence. They can and will skip gears. So you could be actually shifting 2-4-6-9 for normal driving etc. Generally 7-9 are overdrives 6th being 1:1 or close to.

[@jaza23-jo6ze]

I test drove the v6 10 speed.....why am I the only person thinking it was terrible....very sluggish and a horrible gear box

[@istp1967]

I would match the 10spd auto with the 3.2ltr 5cyl engine; and the 2.3 twin turbo with 6spd manual . . . only because smaller engines do better with manual transmissions.

[@adriankiraly5172]

In AISIN we trust.

[@noelcahill6707]

You mean have they fixed the 3ltr engine in the landrovers it wasnt reliable there 2ltr diesel is giving problems here in ireland and britain they brought bk the 3.2 diesel the 2ltr is so bad pure shit box

[@ponygt6629]

So Ford General motors are BAD, Volkwagen is OKISH , Toyota, Honda, Nissan are great!!!

[@alexgrant1979]

I think that this 10sp auto from Ford is also in various GM models also as they had a partnership over this. I heard a rumor that the transmission is made in China and not the USA.

[@hofahome]

Why not just use the wonderful ZF8?

[@peted3637]

Top gearbox and I even have one in my 1989 BMW E30. :)

[@stevenkirk2563]

Why people buy these so called light duty trucks. Buy a proper truck like a hino. Job done.

[@alanplum3829]

Hi John I have to say it is awesome to see raw unashamed true opinions from yourself great work. I have a 2021 Wildtrak that I have put an extra axle under to give me a towing capacity of 4.5 tonne. I have a mate who is a Holden nut and he purchased a Wildtrak the same with bi-turbo and 10 speed and is very happy with his after 60000 Km's on it towing a caravan regularly. As you say Ford could have put more effort into cooling the transmission and with this in mind I'm putting a cast pan to increase the oil capacity and an oil cooler to replace the heat exchanger (cooling hot oil with hot water doesn't make sense) in your opinion would this reduce my exposure to trans failure considerably?

[@42cuba]

LOL same brand different generation, yet all those ranger owners persist on buying crap with a short shelf life

[@johnwarwick634]

Isn’t this auto also used in the Mustang and Camaro are they also having this trouble

[@swedishbob_7315]

Did they fix the drive shaft .. wobbling 😁 Or have they introduce exhaust brakes to smooth that over for the Ranger Range 🤪