2023 GR Corolla vs. BRZ/GR86 vs. Civic Type R - What’s more fun? POV Comparison

2023 Toyota GR Corolla Specs:
-Engine: G16E-GTS 1.6L, 3-cylinder port injected turbo, 12-VALVE DOHC
-300 hp @6500 RPM
-273 lb.-ft. torque @ 3000-5550 RPM
-AWD, 6-speed manual transmission
-Suspension: MacPherson-type strut (front), Double wishbone type multilink (rear)
-235/40R18 Michelin Pilot Sport 4 Tires
-Curb weight: 3249 lbs
-Length: 173.5"
-Width: 72.9"
-Height: 57.2"
-Wheelbase: 103.9"
Core Pricing: $36,995 (including destination)
Packages: Performance: $1180
Technology: $770
Cold Weather: $500
Color: Supersonic Red: $425
2022 Subaru BRZ Premium
215/45R17 Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 Tires
MRT Sport Touring Axle Back Exhaust www.shopmrt.com/2022-Subaru-B...
-4.3 differential from a 2017-2020 BRZ/86
-DBA 4000 Front Rotors
-StopTech STR-600 high performance brake fluid
-Charcoal Filter Removed
-MTEC Clutch Helper Spring
-Pedal Commander throttle controller (set to City -4)
-Disabled active sound control
MSRP: From $27,995
228 hp, 184 lb-ft torque
Curb weight: 2,815 lbs
2023 Honda Civic Type R:
Wheels: BRAID Fullrace FF. 18x9.5 5x120 +50mm offset, 64.1mm Center Bore braidusa.com/
Tires: 265/40R18 Continental DWS 06 Plus
Disabled adaptive dampers (full soft)
Disabled active sound control
Pulled exhaust valve fuse (always open)
315 horsepower @ 6500 rpm, 310 lb-ft of torque from 2600 to 4000 rpm
6-Speed Manual Transmission
Curb weight: 3188 lbs
MPG: 22 City / 28 Highway
MSRP: $44,390
0:00 GR Corolla
11:05 BRZ
20:16 Civic Type R
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[@TheBartimaeus]

I've been enjoying the GR86 as my daily driver and only car in Michigan for about 8 months now. I think it's underrated how absolutely * wild * it is that a mainstream manufacturer is making a new 2+2, naturally aspirated, manual trans, RWD sportscar on a bespoke platform in 2023 and selling it for $30k. It's a truly staggering display of commitment to enthusiasts, and an absolute goldilocks of a car that you can use year-round with the right tires, even as an only car if you don't have kids. There are *zero* other new cars that do this, and I don't think we will ever see any more of their kind.

[@olivertrees]

to be completely fair, this is still a very similar car to the gt86/brz/frs from 10 years ago. It's a very outdated platform/drivetrain and I don't think the manufacturers are doing us such a big favor by giving a decade old car an amazing update.

[@TheBartimaeus]

@@olivertrees who cares as long as it's still excellent? Frankly the only thing the gen 1 cars needed was a slight bump in power while keeping it naturally aspirated, the chassis and overall package remains stellar to this day. It's probably the best handling car this side of a Cayman.

[@revaholic]

Now that Akio Toyoda is out, this may be the last gen of this car in gas form

[@skifree0]

@@olivertrees Considering how "modern cars" are overweight, computers on wheels focused on practicality rather than fun, I would make the argument that GR86/Brz is doing us a huge favor...They made a classic sports car purchasable to the public...Imagine the hype if Honda did the same thing and gave the S2000 a revival with a modern engine but still keeping the old car philosophy. People will be fighting tooth an nail to get their hands on one.

[@olivertrees]

@@skifree0 completely agree. everything is too heavy

[@QueTheChaotic]

BRZ - Super fun to drive but small. GR Corolla - lots of character with insane grip. Maybe too much grip. Smallish. Civic Type R - fast, great handling, rotates, and very practical. No hand brake and no heated steering wheels or seats for such a great daily. Great review. I would choose your combo as welll

[@amr1t_]

i want the small hot hatch :DD

[@davothegreat9990]

Ctr isn't that fast. A Mustang or Supra is fast.

[@ShahirShahrom]

@@davothegreat9990 true but they are in a wrong league to compare

[@davothegreat9990]

@Shahir_ 88 sure. Ctr is fast in its own right, but I guess it's not for everyone.

[@lynchthatwanker5327]

@@davothegreat9990drag yeah, but on track n touge, ctr definitely has advantages

[@dominiclallande]

Love that you appreciate how fun a car is instead of starting a review with a 0-60 and recording lap times Always a down to earth perspective

[@djSmokeShow]

Another amazing review. My BRZ arrives in a few weeks, so thank you for COMPLETELY putting my mind at ease about the purchase. Bought mine from Ertle Subaru in Stroudsburg, PA. Extremely professional group of people who aren't adding any greed markup on the car at all.

[@aaden4888]

There’s a good community with the car. It’s a great learning tool, and everyday driver. Seat time at a track is your best option when it comes to spending money on your new BRZ. Enjoy!

[@CesarMartinez-gl9ko]

The BRZ is a great a rwd car, however I sold my second gen for a Type R due to the engine and power delivery feeling better to me in the Type R and having the hatch and 4 doors really makes a difference when you go out with friends. But also personally I enjoy the Type R chassis more and the bucket seats are so nice. If RWD and driving orientation is a must for you then the BRZ is the best bang for the buck. But outside the canyons/mountains the BRZ felt really boring to me. The Civic to me is just better as a daily and for street use because of the turbo.

[@TrojanRabbit521]

I felt the same , very worried since I couldn’t test drive or even sit in 1 till delivery day. You won’t be disappointed unless concerned about #’s. It is a dream lightweight sports car that gives all the right ‘feels’

[@Showmetheevidence-]

Had the old one for 8 years… considering the new one very hard! Loved the last one so much.

[@abcdLeeXY]

BRZ/GR86 is a true driver’s car for me

[@XAMPOL]

2 slow

[@Stevie4171]

@@XAMPOL speed isn’t everything

[@XAMPOL]

@@Stevie4171 It's not, but it's still too underpowered imo.

[@BDA0531]

Tried the new gen BRZ but it just wasnt for me. The STI is the perfect drivers car for me

[@AB-bx5to]

​@Ry if you're looking for an automatic where you can just slam down the throttle and pressed against your seat, then they are ridiculously underpowered. But I think for someone who enjoys driving, not just the speed, those 2 cannot be beat for the price. A good manual that still gives you that mechanical feeling of driving is just too enjoyable.

[@alexandram9477]

love the BRZ comparison reviews, it says a lot it's even in the conversation with these cars!

[@shahrukhbakar3248]

Your comment about the BRZ/GR86 being brand new cars from 20 years ago is absolutely spot on! I used to say that these are cars that the respective companies forgot to stop making from 20 years ago!

[@duckbizniz663]

Very good review of 3 cars. Each car has its own characteristics, advantages, and disadvantages. I am not surprised that a resident of Michigan (Detroit, Motor City) has done such an insightful review. Thank you.

[@jjukjkjiok7782]

I know you know this, but for any curious viewers - Raising the car with spacers: (a) Does not change the suspension geometry and design and hence does not affect the dynamic reactions qualitatively (b) Does actually change the C.G of the car, so it loses some of the steady state and dynamic limits (though it can be somewhat compensated with driving styles that utilize the increased weight transfer)

[@estebanmuneton182]

One of the things I love about your reviews, is that you always say the truth about each car/SUV/sports car you drive, the good and the bad things of them. You're right, The BRZ and the Type R each one is a different world and you're happy with them.

[@susanyeadon6657]

I’m 63, two dogs. Tonight paid the dwn on order. Circuit edition. I’ll probably be 65 by the time she arrives but I have infinite patience 😃

[@atdhemorina3348]

What a Combo of vehicles. Topher is a G man. Brz and Civic TYPE R. Love you man I'm still finding my way to a used Veloster N! Soon just gotta keep hustling!

[@pan4632]

what a great comparison. thank you for this

[@Zygrene]

A+ comparison topic

[@unresolved777]

Can’t wait to compare, I’ll be getting a GR Corolla in a couple weeks, and I currently own and FRS, so can’t wait to switch back and forth between the 2.

[@dannyphamous]

Yesssss! Been waiting for this

[@obomasinladen]

great video man!

[@brz.oph1]

I've had my 23 BRZ since November and it's been perfect! Already have put 7k on it 😅

[@andreaparadiso3805]

Great review!

[@noname-yb5jt]

"I just don't want to stop driving this thing" that's how I still feel about my FG2 and why the FL5 is the one out of these 3 for me.

[@SATO_FD2R]

Another great video! I love my three Type Rs and my Type S PMC!

[@justcallmejefe]

Love the BRZ/86! The GR Corolla's lack of adjustability at the limit is disappointing given the hype around the AWD system, but I imagine with a stiffer rear sway it will "come around". CTR is surprisingly good for FWD, it appears to rotate with lift throttle at the track. Can't really go wrong with any of these choices, but I'm a lightweight rwd coupe guy at heart so BRZ/86 for me.

[@kibawhitefang7176]

What you guys mean by rotate?? Just wondering.

[@justcallmejefe]

@@kibawhitefang7176 Oversteer, when the rear of the car loses traction before the front during cornering. Can happen when entering a corner (usually induced by lifting off the throttle or under braking), mid-corner, or on corner exit under power (RWD or in some cases, AWD).

[@McLoven-vm1ck]

I'm a Toyota fan boy but was still a little unsure about the GR one but after a bit of research such as this video, I'm sold; I have to have one.

[@junlee7763]

I want to see more review of attainable cars... Subaru seems the only company supplying their products in a market.

[@revaholic]

I love your videos. Having owned an FRS and driven a last gen Type R, I really respected the Type R but because its limits were so high, I thought it was more boring to drive in most situations

[@BlueFL5]

I owned a 2014 FRS and found it very boring to daily. You’d have to really push it to have fun. The type r is just a perfect daily that’s fun without having to rev it out.

[@revaholic]

@@BlueFL5 Different definitions of fun I guess! I really enjoy cars that have to be pushed to the limit

[@BlueFL5]

@@revaholic I agree there’s fun in that. I guess what I’m trying to say is my FRS was boring to drive slow and my current FL5 is fun driving slow. Since it has low end torque.

[@revaholic]

@@BlueFL5 That is true. The FRS's engine was definitely its weak point

[@CesarMartinez-gl9ko]

@@BlueFL5 yeah same! I felt this too which led me to sell my GR86. Fun in the canyons but anywhere else it wasn't what I was looking for.

[@TYAC_TPE_SF-Bay]

Thanks!

[@jordangordon2350]

My father got the GR Corolla. I drove it and I have to say it is a great, quick daily, but coming from my '18 WRX, it was nowhere near as raw or dramatic so it wasn't my favorite. A little too smooth and numb. Objectively a great car though. This is also the same reason I'm like you in preferring the AP1 over AP2. Plan on picking up one of those when the Rex is paid off. Keep up the great content!

[@s4awd2]

Great VID!!!! Picked up a circuit and it sOOO much reminds me of my old Evo 8 which I thought I'd never experience again in this day an age. I LOVE IT. When they say it's fun, it IS an understatement. Hard to believe it is sold here. Drove an FL5 Type R and yes it is a much more polished and accomplished car but when you watch videos of Gazoo Racing's Rally2, not Rally1, but Rally2 car which just debuted at Monte Carlo, you realize, the GR's motor and drivetrain is a homologated rally car and all the better for it. Once on a wide open road, the Type R will be more fun. Similar to how my Evo was an insane car, it wasn't the greatest on track. The S2000's and true sports cars were better. The GR is a rally car which is what I was looking for.

[@fhowland]

This is the first video where I could really see how eager the type R is to rotate in a corner. Simply amazing.

[@stefwithanf4]

Vroom! Vroom! Vroom! I'm starting to get excited for my BRZ Limited manual June arrival. May I get a list of mod suggestions from you for daily driving and street fun? I'm also interested in the body raise for more clearance. I'm really enjoying your videos. Thank you!

[@jerm_]

its in the description. no boltons just axleback

[@Rob165x]

You're going to want an exhaust, perferably for 2nd gen such as the AWE Touring or the STi one, so you can unplug the sound generator behind the glovebox and still hear something, stock is too damn quiet (thanks California!). Not too loud if you want to keep your sanity as the cabin isnt the best insulated for my Invidia N2 and the stereo system is underwhelming. I plan to put a bass hub in the wheelwell at some point. PPF if you care about the paint a lot, it chips very easily, especially on the highway. Mines was swirl-city by the f^&king dealer (Tell them "DONT TOUCH IT!"). It is expensive to PPF though. A wireless carplay dongle (newer gen ones connect faster) and a dashcam are nice for peace of mind. Add some overlays (mines from stickerfab were cheap) to the rear blinkers so you dont get the hyperflash (google this!). When it happens (sun hits the LEDs) the lights dont go on which is dangerous. An STi or slightly heavier shift knob will help put into gear easier, the shifter can be very notchy. I also got an MTEC clutch spring to replace the stock, it is very assisted and feels annoying. Was the cause of a lot of stalls learning to drive, the MTEC makes it progressive, simple but awkward install did myself as a newbie. I ripped off the carbon filter from the airbox which tested adds like 5hp, might need it for emissions later though and its glued on. Also I suggest buying the GR tail, it looks amazing on this car, they should all have it. Mines is black on my sapphire. Contrats on the purchase! These are my "necessary" mods. P.S. I also added the STi trim pieces (third-party tho, original are overpriced), the accessory lights on the front bumper (mines have ambers also), wrapped my steering wheel (failed at a good install on an LED-rev light wheel, just go with a standard wheel (the clockspring doesnt have enough wires) ended up with parasitic battery drain. Wheels, Tires, Suspension, TBD when more financially stable. Join the "2022+ Subaru BRZ / Toyota GR 86 Owners and Enthusiast" facebook page for a lot of mods and impressions, they post very often. Have Fun!

[@stefwithanf44]

@@Rob165x, thank you for the detailed info. A lot of what you said went "whoosh" over my head, but I will join that group you mentioned. I did have the dealer put a clear coat on the car. They did a great job. I know exactly what you mean about the clutch spring. Hadn't thought of that as an option. Let's see what I've added so far. - footwell Illumination - short throw shifter - clear coat - all weather floor mats Remaining - mud flaps - dual exhaust - spare tire and rim - camber bolts - eventually, a lift kit - eventually, all weather tires

[@afdgbdfbdfbdf]

Every midwesterner should watch this comparison and follow you. Thank you sir.

[@christopherbassit2757]

Gr corolla all day! I’m absolutely loving mine!!!

[@rexvaughn986]

I think this is a great video and would love to see more comparisons like this. What if you put the Cadillac CT4-V BW into this mix?

[@ShadyJeffrey]

Great comparison, and also a great video, enjoyed watching this one. Out of curiosity, out of the 3, which would be the best for long and short road trips? Also which one would be the worst for road trips?

[@TheTopher]

They’re all pretty good tbh. GR Corolla and Type R have adaptive cruise and lane centering which helps take some fatigue off, but the BRZ is pretty comfortable on long road trips too. I wouldn’t hesitate to take any of these on a longer trip.

[@ShadyJeffrey]

@@TheTopher Good to know. In the future, any of these 3 could be a good replacement for my GTI. Thanks for the response, keep up the good work with the car reviews.

[@Xmvw2X]

I think people underestimate how much power is required to over drive 4 tires. The GR Corolla has mechanical front and rear diffs, and this means the car will typically break traction of all 4 tires at once. You won't really spin up one tire here or there. This makes the vehicle very power stable. A good comparison is the STI and Evo and how much power they need on high grip surfaces to ever get to a point where the awd mechanics really start mattering. A simile would be STI's DCCD. On asphalt with any tires that remotely sticky, you will not see hardly any difference in the car's handling regardless of DCCD setting. It makes a very big difference on dirt, but it has almost no appreciable difference with high grip. The front/rear split does have effect, but the effect requires the car to be pushed into its grip limit. It's hard to get to this point until you're in an environment specifically for this. I know looking at some early Japanese videos covering the GR Yaris and Corolla, the awd is tailored in a way that's not quite suited for racing. It's too...conservative. Aftermarket tuners in Japan have been working on programming changes though that work around these limits, and I think that's a straight forward transition to ones being sold in the US. Once those tunes are known and openly sold, you can work around the stock limits and get something better tailored to racing use.

[@FenrirHdz38328]

What do you think of the Integra Type S ? Do you think that's a better option than the type R ?

[@kgthegreatone943]

I love the brz/gr86

[@misterhat6395]

The deciding factor for me is that, while still marked up, you can go out and get a brz for under 35k. Here’s a thought, you could have an mx5 and a regular Corolla hatch for the same price as a marked up gr or type r.

[@mengx94]

Just because you could, doesn't mean you should

[@ytsux9259]

Who cares about marked up? It just varies too much place to place

[@v8_sami]

Idk why people don’t shop around when they buy cars gr86 has been out for a while now. Shop around a little you can find them without markups.

[@richardledesma1675]

I’m just glad there has been a lot of great cars produced the last 5 years

[@squareenixffost]

Just add oil cooler Chris to the brz and still cheaper than type r or even gr Corolla for long term track use. I mean all three u still need to change pads, oils and etc for track. Rwd and NA is always the best combo.

[@atdhemorina3348]

LOL TOPHER at 27:23 the word fifty had you spraying spit all over your wheel man

[@BuffaloWarrior7]

Have a GR Circuit. Unfortunately/Fortunately it ships with summer tires. So to be a 4 season car you need to get yourself another set of rubbers. I went ahead and got wheels and tires for the fall/winter. The falloff of the summer tires in the cold is spooky. But 245 DWS 06 feel phenomenal hot or cold. Haven't tracked the car yet. But definitely plan on it.

[@Tifosi5716]

Which one will be a great first manual car? I’m planing to learn MT this summer. I’ll probably sell me automatic gr86 that I drive for ten months after getting drivers license. I’m thinking about gr corolla or fl5 because it has more safety features and auto rev match (which the manual GR 86 doesn’t)

[@guest6423]

Thanks for pointing out how predictable and satisfying NA engines are when driven near the limit. I've also like to drive a gear high, maintaining momentum, and the non-linear response with turbo engines detracted from that. I do like the BRZ/GR86 (modern 240Zs, IMO), but wish that I could have their chassis beneath a more traditional 2-box hatchback body.

[@JohnLee-hb9ix]

@Topher when you are going out for an errand, which keys do you choose? BRZ or CTR?

[@revell2560]

Are the new Z’s under 50k? I’m sure they have an insane mark up for them since I know there is a lot of people waiting to get there’s. I thought basic one starts in the lower $40s k but I could be wrong and I’m sure you want more than just the basic package too.

[@ArcaneCoyote]

Hey @TheTopher, With the 4:3 rear diff in the BRZ, do you think that, along with headers + tune and exhaust could make the car a bit punchier in the acceleration department? Or at least ~as fast as some of the cars that are usually a step up in performance in practical street driving? I like _so_ much about the GR86/BRZ, and would rather put money into making it a little quicker in the acceleration department than buy a car that's just naturally faster from the factory / dealer lot because I like so much about it. I don't know what's realistic though; I'm sure it _can_ be made faster while keeping it NA, but I'm not sure what's all possible.

[@kristoferfc6525]

I'm assuming the Topher is a play off of Christopher, anyways as my name is Kristofer, I enjoy your reviews a lot, despite the similar name, keep at it! With this review I narrowed down to the GR Corolla given what I want to be able to do with it. Having a Speed3 already with a few bolt ons it's really stupid fast for a front wheel drive car, I'm tired of the wheelspin rowing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, when I'm spirited and the horrible understeer. I'm assuming the Civic will be similar, albeit with Honda precision lol

[@senorfrog5605]

am i crazy for thinking about the corolla over the CTR just for the handbrake? whats with car manufacturers and replacing the handbrake with that little notch you flick like a bean? my mk 7 R also lacks a handbrake :T

[@frxstyking5912]

i own a 6 mt integra, and i love it, goals for my future are having a type s, and a gr86 av to slide with, a house w my wifey

[@superbros1690]

I really think the Gr corolla is better to replace the brz, just since the Gr corolla has what the brz offers but even funner, it cant really compete with the type r as its fully focused for intense sport. But I personally would get a gr corolla over the brz.

[@Jack_huntakilla]

In love with the GR❤

[@ScorpioMotivation]

It would be nice if you compare the wrx 2022 with other car.. so few channel compare the new wrx, people argument alot about the look and it's okay, we all have our taste. However, the car really have great reviews, sharper in the corner than the last gen, on the dino test the wrx 2022 showed more torque than the last gen etc. Anyway, would be nice to see comparison with the new wrx.

[@dewet2wet]

I only have two gripes with my 86 since picking it up a few months ago. 1.) Gearbox is occasionally and inexplicably crunchy sometimes. Particularly in 5th but happens in all gears. It'll be nice and smooth and happy for 10 minutes then all of a sudden you get that mild grinding feeling in hand. Nothing audible but feel ick. Happens regardless of engine speed/swiftness of shift. 2.) An incessant "thumping" on light constant throttle between 1800-2500rpm 1st-4th. Get into it a every so slightly more? Goes away. I've chocked it up to a quirk with the fueling.

[@Huh-jx8kd]

Sounds like you need more practice driving stick shift, the damage may have already been done and is too late to remedy.

[@xman20427]

Tbh I have had zero of these issues and I’m sitting at 12k miles on my BRZ and I feel like the gearbox has improved significantly since I first drove it at 0miles. So maybe you got a bad trans or maybe it’s down to technique.

[@dewet2wet]

@@xman20427 Its improved quite a bit over time. I'm a bit over 10k now and I don't get the grittiness very often - hardly ever. mainly when short shifting.

[@xman20427]

@@dewet2wet I noticed it’s does like a 2-3k shift at all unless the driving conditions slow. But generally on like “daily” I’ll go between 3-4k rpm it’s smoother. But the gear box loves the higher rpm shifts and always buttery smooth. I also just changed my gear and rear diff oil at 11k miles (manual recs 30k service) but after the oil swap it made a big difference! But definitely like the first couple thousand miles the gearbox was definitely rigid during break in.

[@dewet2wet]

@@xman20427 You're absolutely right. I tend to cruise around 3k nowadays. I think that helped alleviate a lot of the gripes I had. Cruising around at 2.5-3k, shifting around 4k, the car and gearbox is much much happier. Butter smooth. Sometimes, in traffic, I do have to short shift, and that's when I feel that bumpiness going into gear.

[@johnjfrederick]

Bought GR86, then GR Corolla a few months later. Lived with them all year. GRC is a riot but 86 is more fun overall. Recently traded the GRC for an FL5 for practicality reasons. 86 still more fun.

[@DerekNewyen]

Unfortunately, it'll be tough to get a Type R since of the seat recall.

[@cemgurbuz2538]

I am looking to buy a BRZ for the low price tag but I've been deep down sad that I would be missing out on too much for not getting a GR Corolla. But boy even as I was watching the vid the BRZ feels much more fun with its low limits and that loud engine sound. I am surprised that the Corolla is not as fun as it is advertised. That red definitely looks great though.

[@Jeff-ql1tw]

get the brz i love mine even after driving a gr corolla

[@cemgurbuz2538]

@@Jeff-ql1tw thanks for the valuable comment Jeff. I'll get one if I can find one :)

[@thomaswyatt199]

It's shocking that the toyota corolla gr circuit is $56,865 and the type r is $51,955 here in canada before taxes. After watching team o'neil drvie the 2023 GR Corolla and showing how it will maintain a drift in the snow and not cut power from the rear was very surprising especially after seeing that it wouldn't hold a drift in the wet or dry conditions. I'm wait to see if subaru release a Sport-Tech RS model of the brz.

[@peachulemon]

There was a time line where the veloster N would be in this conversation. Hyndai realy left as fast as the came into the sports car sector

[@chrislo2007]

Hey Chris, if you could only own one would you pick the BRZ or Type R? I ask because I currently own a FK8 and we are getting a Tesla M3 and I'm considering switching the FK8 Type R to a BRZ/GR86 for a more traditional sports car(RWD) + the savings it comes with selling it. Wonder if you would make that switch?

[@BrzBoyz831]

If you don’t mind too much about the power Fk8 to gr86/Brz would be a solid choice. 86/Brz is much more fun than fk8 in imf.

[@willtato8778]

Just curious, with regards to the corolla, is there a pedal dance mode that can be turned on/off? I've seen videos of the 86 having that mode, and I'm hoping the corolla/Yaris have the same feature.

[@hellatightdude]

In the GR Corolla, press the AWD mode selector to engage track mode and move the drive mode selector to sport, then hold the traction control off button and it puts it in expert mode with all electronic nannies turned off. I’m not sure if it has a mild amount of stability control going on in the background still, but that should turn off all assists.

[@masterofdisaster666]

What if you put the GR corolla on 205 width all seasons tho? More fun on the street?

[@mattkroening7964]

25:13, What you say is spot on. I personally believe a lot of it has to do with the throttle tuning. I've driven every single modern Honda available with a stick shift in the last five to six years or so (Except the FL5). Every single one I drove had throttle tuning that seemed more appropriate for an automatic, except for the FK8 Type R. I suspect that Honda might have gotten lazy with setting up their manuals properly and just slapped in whatever throttle parameters the automatics had into the manual cars. That might be why the K20C1 is the only engine to not have this issue. It's the only engine that isn't available with an Auto, so it has its own mapping. It's also sad to hear that Honda botched the dampers on the FL5. They were perfect on the FK8! No need to fix something that ain't broke. If this car lives long enough to see an update/refresh, I'm sure it'll be addressed. Maybe as soon as the next model year. They've done stuff quick like that in the past. I've been watching your videos for 10 years or more now, from when I subscribed to The Winding Road Magazine. I think the first video I came across of yours was an ATS POV drive. The dedication, hard work, and constant refinement I see in your content is beyond impressive, especially when paired with your ever present sincerity and integrity. Thanks for doing what you do, and keep it up!

[@twwtlxmk]

You should try driving a 9th gen accord coupe v6-6. It is so much fun ripping through gears.

[@mattkroening7964]

@@twwtlxmk I've owned two

[@mugennsx]

Oversteer starts at around 60mph on a highway entrance/exit?

[@michaelsantiago7093]

I wonder where the Focus RS fairs between the three.

[@herewegoagain7403]

BRZ/86 is definitely the best bang for your buck but I like the type R. Plenty of space and even though it cost a LOT, it holds value/appreciates and this is coming from a toyota fan boy

[@baracs82]

I can't decide between the Type R or a GR86. I am planning to buy either a brand new GR86 or a lightly used low KM Type R (FK8) since I prefer its aesthetics better to the new one, and they are also similar in price to a brand new GR86. Practicality doesn't really matter as it would be a second car. I prefer the GR86 in everything, but I am kinda afraid that it won't have enough power.

[@zbeast4949]

I went into my drive way and hopped in my gr carolla to go for a spin…. Then I woke up

[@kevinryan2992]

For the BRZ phone situation, I put a little magnetic phone holder right on the corner of the little glove box shelf, works quite well

[@NightPwnGaming]

When I had my FRS I used a cd tray holder with wireless charging. Since no one uses cds anymore

[@booyaahJay]

Do you have a link for the product plz?

[@notsaying]

@@NightPwnGaming wait what can u link that??

[@MagicCarpetRide8669]

I'm curious how you'd compare the BRZ to the Mustang 2.3 Turbo, which is in the same price class. Also rwd, 6 speed manual, sports car etc.

[@ytsux9259]

BRZ handles better but the Mustang is quicker though (and much heavier).

[@selespeed3]

on balanxe type R is a better car all rounder. I am getting one. Can you get one at MSRP price?

[@metalmystic6214]

Bought my 23 BRZ in large part thanks to your ownership reviews. Couple questions: 1) What wedge are you using there in the backseat for the car seat? 2) Which crash bolts should I get for the front and how much negative camber would you recommend? Thanks!

[@TheTopher]

Sweet! In the back seat that’s just a black towel. I think I got my crash bolts on tirerack. Would recommend 1-1.5° of front negative camber, 0 toe

[@metalmystic6214]

@@TheTopher thanks!

[@entropy11]

is it weird that I didn't pick up on turbo lag when test driving one of these? Was I doing it wrong?

[@brogaminglounge5233]

I wish they would have done this engine and tranny setup for gr86, it’s would be a lot of fun considering it’s a lighter car as well

[@aroundomaha]

I went BRZ for the money but any of these three are great. For autocross the BRZ is excellent and that is my focus.

[@yooooo6296]

I think what Honda is doing with the K20C is amazing! Peak torque at 1500-2500 rpm (model dependent) is really good for a gas 4 cyl. I wish manufacturers would stop chasing high hp and realize that torque is what really makes a driving experience fun. The cars I’ve had the most fun in have more low rpm torque. Not having to put the pedal down just to get out of the way goes a long way for driver satisfaction and fuel economy! Turbos make torque, so let them 😂

[@jayczyzyk7607]

Nice reveiw trophy

[@metalmystic6214]

If you had to choose between the Type R and BRZ as your daily, which would you choose (and would that answer change if practicality was not a concern?

[@TheTopher]

Can't beat the value of the BRZ/GR86!

[@BuffaloWarrior7]

The GRC has so much grip. You're tripling the posted speedlimit on winding roads. It is insane how much it grips up. I do still love my old 08 mazda 3 hatchback. Because you can comfortably approach the limits of the car at non suicidal speeds. But man is that thing slow. I can leave my GRC in 6th and comfortably and confidentially make highway passes that I'd be dropping my 5 speed mazda into 3rd to make. It's not perfect. It is a freaking toyota corolla after all. But with AWD, a traditional handbrake, 6 speed manual, and 300hp it is so much fun to drive and own. The heated seats and steering wheel are nice. But I wish the seats got warmer and wish the steering wheel would turn the heat down after it hits a certain temp like the seats do. It can get uncomfortably hot. And the seats never get close to that. Also feels very safe to commute in with the power, brakes, blindspot monitoring and radar. It is such a stiff car. Jacking one corner feels like it starts to lift 3 wheels off the ground.

[@doxydoxdelamanca9902]

But circuit isn't showing as an option on the Toyoda site.

[@jonathangoff7397]

How do you think the GR86 compares to the civic si? Which would you choose? I'd be interested in seeing a video of a direct comparison because I'm trying to decide which to buy!

[@ytsux9259]

GR86 without a doubt. It's a pure sports car.

[@ytsux9259]

But drive both and choose for yourself. You don't need strangers' advice on what to buy.

[@TheWhisperingPenis]

Same. I think I'm going with an SI if they come down abit. 2022 or 2023 models are so nice. Love the interior.

[@dre32pitt]

13:05 I can hear Mark and Jack in the background..

[@TheTopher]

😂

[@cooleye8887]

Type R is more in a serious performance side and not so much about "fun" though. I love my 21 boost blue FK8 and I'd rather get the automatic BRZ for my daily. Not a fan of the GR Corollas engine and styling, its a great car for sure.

[@makermandan]

The civic R is cool, but I can’t get over the front wheel drive aspect of it

[@ytsux9259]

Bro, did you even watch the vid? It's the best driver's car of the group and one of the best driver's cars ever made for any amount of money. 🤦

[@stevenzhood1306]

I want a 4 door but I absolutely love my 86 and I feel like I will end up missing it if i get rid of it😔

[@localgod808]

For the GR Corolla I heard you can send 70% of the power to the rear wheels and 30 to the front. With that setting you should be able to let the tail come out.

[@salamander4799]

In my opinion the BRZ will always be my favorite

[@Mkha620]

Just wish it had the gr Corolla engine

[@zevi2000]

@@Mkha620not even, just skip the lag

[@Mkha620]

Toyota reliability and better potential

[@jasonbinney2979]

I saw 10 seconds of the roads and said "yeah that's gotta be Michigan" lol

[@zyzzuschrist3410]

Im curious, are reviewers told to say “there isn’t a good place to put your phone” for the brz/86? Literally every reviewer says that.

[@JonYugen]

I'm watching this video to hopefully rid myself of the buyers remorse after getting an 86. The unfortunate thing is where I live. Every single one of the manuals was on a long ass wait list, and I wasn't very patient. I ended up with an automatic that doesn't pop when downshifting with a catback exhaust because of the torque converter. Nothing sucks more for people to ask me about the car and I have to tell them it's only an automatic not to mention the rtv issues. 😢

[@michaelgreenberg7506]

I never understood the lack of heated seats in the type R. So many car manufacturers have nice seats with heat.

[@ytsux9259]

Cuz they are racing Recaro bucket seats.

[@michaelgreenberg7506]

Dont STIs have Recaro with heated seats?

[@mengx94]

But but.. track car for the boys over at silly geese

[@ebersolejoshua]

@TheTopher now that you have run Michelin Pilot 4 A/S and Continental DWS 06+ which tire would you choose?

[@TheTopher]

Michelin for slightly more driving fun, Continental for slightly more comfort/less road noise 👍 both awesome tires

[@Dyer190]

When are you doing the M2 Review? ive ordered the car a couple months ago, just need Topher's stamp of approval now

[@TripedalTroductions]

I decided to hold off on the new M2 to see if they would have a Competition trim soon. I got tired of waiting for more info to come in and bought a Miata to hold me over. I've been having so much fun with this car that I actually forgot about the M2. Plus, I really don't like the way the new M2s look, but I'm sure they're amazing to drive on the track.

[@Dyer190]

I have the Elantra n I got last year but ordered the m2 since it was goijg to take 18 months to get here. And for some reason I actually really like design of the m2. It reminds me of the old boxy BMWs. Like the e36 M3

[@MauriBrix]

Good power, 5 doors and not too much big. Maybe the Corolla the most equilibrate of these.

[@clintavo]

A bummer that you don't have amazing canyon roads local to you.

[@username8644]

1:28 my 2011 wrx hatch can fit a full size road bike without taking any of the wheels off with just the rear seats lowered.

[@whonegan6523]

This GR lineup should release a RWD Trueno Edition limited release, bet that will sell in a minute

[@nathanielbarbeau4821]

I’m in need of backseats for small kids. Coming from a S2000 the BRZ has my interest. I just hate the NA flat 4. I used to have a 90’s Impreza 2.5 RS and it’s basically the same engine. Now…the GR86/BRZ with the GR Corolla engine would be Very enticing.

[@Barbwire710]

There are rumors that the next gen 86/BRZ will be built on a Toyota platform with the GR Corolla engine. We will see…

[@TheHmongWarrior]

There’s probably a reason the Type R suspension is so stiff. It’s tuned for Sazuka correct? Honda spent millions developing the suspension for the FL5, I wouldn’t recommend changing the suspension unless you’re genuinely tuning it for a specific track.

[@HigeYatsu]

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the best 2-car combo now that the FL5 and GRC are out. 4 cars, BRZ/GR86, ND2, CTR, GRC. Assuming a buyer could have the convenience of a GRC/CTR, does the ND2 enter into consideration more? Seems like the funny, characterful, and probably more compromised combo would be the ND2/GRC, and the more serious combo would be the GR86/BRZ and CTR--so perhaps one from each pair would offer the best balance? If you didn't already own one of these combos (i.e. BRZ and CTR), do you think you might change your mind if you were shopping today?

[@milesfathi]

I'd go with ND2 plus either Fl5 or if you want really easy to live with, golf r with DSG.

[@retrograde11]

Nd2 as well for open top pure fun, plus something w/ AWD for inclement weather/winter.