2023 Honda Civic Type R vs Toyota GR Corolla // DRAG & ROLL RACE

[@aseelhaque]

Considering the fact that GR engine is more or less a whole cylinder down, that engine is a monster.

[@jw3384]

It's because of the awd...

[@BlingJ.]

@@jw3384 3:08

[@curtfox91]

@@jw3384 No it's also the engine have you seen how thick the block is and it is all torque with the 25 psi of boost of course it is a monster.

[@Detroit904]

U can talk about it being a monster if it pushes 700 bhp without changing rods. Until that, its daily use awd hatchback.

[@FerozKhan-ui9zd]

Not forgetting the Toyota 1.6 litre engine displacement vs Honda 2.0 litre.

[@mariobotti1952]

That 1.6 litre 3 cylinders is absolutely incredible

[@marcinhernik1270]

This is such a difficult point to overlook. 100 hp per cylinder

[@driveonthestraightpath2138]

@@marcinhernik1270 .53 litre per 100 hp roughly

[@gordonschiff3621]

Until it blows up

[@JahoSelamaj]

@@gordonschiff3621 it's a Toyota it won't

[@danielkimura6918]

@@gordonschiff3621 The block is absolutely bulky. The first thing that would go (only if you tune to 500+whp) would be the head studs.

[@MrBTRDAYZ]

The Civic Type R's lap time being just 2/10th of a second slower than a BMW M2 Competition is simply an incredible feat of Honda engineering!

[@AngelValdovinos]

Honda cannot compete with Toyota engineering🤡

[@Barberdan]

@@AngelValdovinos You're replying to the wrong comment. If not I'm sorry for your smooth brain. That Type R's track lap times truly are remarkable though.

[@germanengineering204]

@@AngelValdovinos Supra has the best engineering possible! Talk about teaming up with the right brand 👏

[@mikeb7258]

@@germanengineering204 😂😂😂😂

[@wackoterp7026]

@@AngelValdovinos wey elimina tu comentario, estas dejando en ridiculo a la gente hispanohablante

[@dephataznboi]

The fact that a 3 cylinder can defeat or keep up with a 4 cylinder is amazing. Toyota did great.

[@donmillican510]

It's not the cylinders but the HP

[@jorgevillacis8127]

you lost - have to be a toyota driver

[@EnzoNotFerrari21]

Yes but it’s way more expensive

[@daftcow706]

@thatoneguy8910 20k more??!?! lol what are you talking about it says the price at the start

[@ktire99]

Awd....

[@jravila4609]

The race I’ve been waiting for!! Thank you guys!

[@jamsxr]

Great that a few manufacturers are still producing cars like this 👌🏻

[@jamsxr]

@@singular9 I hear a fanboy. I think they’re all great but I’ll take the Civic Type R over either Toyota all day.

[@MLHunt]

@@jamsxr pot meets kettle

[@Lemingtona-x5g]

both still slower than european hot hatches

[@jamsxr]

@@Lemingtona-x5g if you buy your cars based on top trumps drag races then go for a A45 or RS3. If you want a proper drivers machine, take a Civic or GR. Horses for courses.

[@jamsxr]

@@MLHunt honestly, I would love a GR, it’s just a bit small for my requirements. No doubt the Civic is faster if you care about lap times.

[@lemon.419]

I never thought I would be excited to watch a 3cyl go up against a 4cly lmao. The Toyota’s looks and performance is one of the most interesting cars I’ve ever seen

[@purwantiallan5089]

The GR Yaris seemingly so cool to ride especially when fully upgraded.

[@jaxxone4907]

3 cylinder on 26 psi of turbo, that turbo makes 3x the engine power output

[@automachinehead]

@@jaxxone4907 and 3x times the heat

[@princesssolace4337]

It took 30 years for me to see it again. Had my fun in a 3 cylinders hot hatch in the 90s .... GR is for the next generation of petrolheads

[@VeyroneR]

Looks terrible. Like every Toyota, sadly.

[@vwpassat444]

I love how through all these we've found out the old Type R is faster than all in a roll race lmao

[@DenisDamulira23]

yeah with it's heat issues on track, no thanks

[@maxislas3141]

@@DenisDamulira23 upgraded intercooler and you’re good

[@michaellapot9988]

@@maxislas3141 it still doesn't fix the issue... you still get heat soak

[@bryceporterfield6159]

@Corey Freeman They fixed that one the refresh 2020 and up.

[@TimothyLatif]

@@DenisDamulira23hat issue is long gone bud. You’re living in 2020 lol. There are updates

[@solocamo3654]

GR held up much better in a roll than I expected. This car has blown away all my expectations when they announced it. Too bad it's priced silly for what it is.

[@rhincodontypus3830]

It’s not priced silly, the mark up is what’s silly especially knowing that money is not going to the team that designed it but some snobbish salesman.

[@Vermonstered]

@@rhincodontypus3830 If the OP is referring the the specific Morizo edition... $50k MSRP for some extra welds, rear seat delete, sound deadening delete, rear window functionally delete, rear wiper delete. The only thing you get as a bonus is the rear chassis brace, new springs, forged wheels and a different final gear and slightly more aggressive engine tune and tire upgrade. If that's worth $8k over the circuit... But you're really just paying for the exclusivity of it.

[@raftermanhoward1883]

@@Vermonstered Yeah it's totally not worth it. I'm normally a fiend for optioning out my cars, I'm more of a luxury sedan than a hot hatch person anyway, but for this car I would just go with the base version, maybe add the heated seats and wheel + wireless charger for just over $1k and call it a day.

[@nickryan6787]

Better in roll cuz that car is much lighter

[@solocamo3654]

@@nickryan6787 Lightness is least effective from a roll. A dig is where being lighter weight has the most advantage.

[@s7robe297]

That ending was perfect 😂. Your vids genuinely give me old top gear vibes

[@adamJeepstuff]

I honestly wasn't expecting the gr to be that good, really enjoying this channel

[@poplaurentiu4148]

At the point of switching to electrics and add a 10k extra and instead any of these get a Hyundai Ioniq 5N that is fast enough to destroy plenty modern sport-cars and with dual motor AWD for plenty bad weather safety grip..

[@adamJeepstuff]

@poplaurentiu4148 I do not like working on Korean cars. I do not like electric cars. I like cars I can get up to 245k miles and enjoy driving lol 😆 I'm also 6' 7" and 400lbs . I was just watching the video

[@steve8803]

@@poplaurentiu4148 Boring. I don't care how fast it is. I care how fun it is! Hooning around in a lightweight awd 6mt vehicle is a blast!

[@poplaurentiu4148]

@@adamJeepstuff If you think Corolla GR hatch is bigger inside than a Ioniq 5N to fit your 6'7" and 400 lbs then you might be looking on the wrong video here.. in Europe we do have first gen electrics that reached out more than 250k miles with regular over the air software update, and periodical inspections and original factory battery it all depends of the user..

[@cRAYz3d]

“Is it stupid? Or is it sophisticated and beautiful?” Questions I ask myself every day

[@joshreynolds729]

Stupid if you think about it. 3 cylinders are unreliable needing to add counter weights to the design to even make it last through a warranty when another cylinder could have been had making the power ceiling even higher. It’s 2023 1000whp cars lose on the street today and Toyotas gonna come with a hatch 3 cylinder that looks like a sporty geo metro. Honda is under powered in my opinion as well but but at least you can mod them fit people and doesn’t look like a Gerbil mobile. Idk that’s my thoughts. Not saying it don’t have a place just saying it’s not gonna be winning anything on the street with that motor against anyone that half way serious. Don’t go to the track you will get your ass eaten. Which is funny because gasp racing designed this 🤣. I guess the restrictions are real where they are from.

[@gordonschiff3621]

@@joshreynolds729 underpowered?

[@joshreynolds729]

@@gordonschiff3621 yes. Truly unless Gazoo Racing took the exact racing car they used with more hp then I might respect it but they didn’t. Yeah 2023. Ice is on a ticking clock nobody has time for holding back. Sure it’s impressive for what it is and that’s a boosted 3 cylinder. Just think if it had 3 more cylinders making that exact power x2 with bigger turbos and more exhaust is available to spool stock. The car would be 600hp easy. But they didn’t. Now your power roof and longevity are compromised. Making this basically a bad buy for the car enthusiast and for the average guy who like Toyota and what they represent which is reliability no? I know though power and reliability are opposites. I’ll never get why people are simply satisfied with stuff like this. Maybe you can shed some light?

[@jesseperrella]

Wow that Corrolla is pretty damn good off the line! Two awesome hot hatches, nice stuff TH

[@connergoldberg]

yeah but launches are bad for drivetrains and you rarely ever find yourself having to unless you're at the drag strip. Nty. The Type R gets the W for me (but the Corolla looks better)

[@lefebvreplourde6793]

he still managed a lot of sympathy for the clutch. It could have gone a lot worse for the civic with a slip/un-bog launch from the GR.

[@eugenux]

@@lefebvreplourde6793 yes, from GR yaris repeated tests, the fastest launches must include dropping the clutch from 5000+ rpm. He was quite considerate to the corolla.

[@thedsmbroadway3780]

@@connergoldberg bruh That's what the car is built for Hard launches Hard corners Hard acceleration It's what's it's meant to do That's why it was built the way it was

[@1240Dax]

@@thedsmbroadway3780 Im not sure you understand what hard driving means, there's a difference between using the car and destroying the clutch by repeatedly dumping it.

[@jarvond21]

You guys never ever disappoint me love love the content!! Thank you for being part of my 2022 year! And here's some more amazing content for 2023!!

[@sey9440]

No matter who is first, the Type R stays my favorite, Honda made a legendary car !

[@decsmith8919]

Never been so in love with a 3 cylinder before .

[@ashleysambo4104]

It's AWD😂😂💩

[@pabloguzman461]

@@ashleysambo4104 AWD is the move 😉 especially that 5 cylinder AWD beast

[@decsmith8919]

@@ashleysambo4104 better than FWD

[@ashleysambo4104]

@@decsmith8919 that's why the new Bmw having Xdrive😅😅 to be fast

[@erickeil8095]

A review of two cars that no one can get. Awesome!

[@nalongi85]

Exactly. These cars are supposed to be an everyman, daily driver sports car except that nobody can get one and they're going to end up as collector items instead of being driven. And I wouldn't blame them because using a car like this as a daily is just throwing money away with the way these are going to hold (or possibly appreciate) value.

[@memphisraines8118]

LoL

[@BitcoinTo150K]

You can get them just need $60k+ 😌

[@MrJjburgess11]

You can them. Just be prepared to take out a mortgage

[@pbear216]

The Civic Type R is a breeze to get. There are literally 100's of them sitting on dealer lots because nobody wants one

[@myvalium1]

Great review. So disappointed that Subaru punked out on the new STI that ultimately didn’t happen. Would have been a great competitor in this field.

[@FirstLast-we8cb]

I bought an 04 STi new back in the day. That 305hp engine, trans, and proper LSD awd setup was amazing... back then. Sad to watch the STi just kind of die a slow death with Subaru not keeping it with the times.

[@EfraKrajo]

Is because Toyota own Subaru, and is slowly killing the brand!

[@myvalium1]

@@EfraKrajo Toyota owns 20% of Subaru …. not exactly a controlling interest. But Subaru seems to be focused on migrating toward hybrid and EV … and Toyota will be helpful in that regard.

[@Vermonstered]

@@EfraKrajo Subaru couldn't get the new engine to pass 2024 global emissions standards so there was no point to release the car for a year. Subaru's own poor engine tuning killed the STi. But really, what was the difference between the last 2-3 generations of the STi? They're all essentially the same. 300hp on an ever porkier car with the same Subaru AWD system. It's worked for 15 or whatever years it's been out in the states but it's the same. Not quite as bad as Nissan recycling their old cars with new skins but pretty close.

[@The-fs5wn]

No it wouldn’t. STIs for the most part have been shitboxes and are only liked because of its old rally success (which has nothing to do with the production car).

[@brianruiz6016]

You guys are incredibly hilarious. I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for providing a unique entertainment.

[@JJ-tk1cu]

Civic and Corolla are rivals for life. Watching this is like back to the 90s in Initial D when AE86 and EK9 were matching.

[@Sunandstar13]

The ae86 and ek9 were many years apart. I need a better Toyota/honda comparison

[@vegadanial7240]

thought corolla would be bigger. damn, that type r is massive

[@TheBasher-_-]

Yeah the "Accord Type R" is pretty big. You park this bad boy outside your job, they won't be thinking "Oh he must be a new hire." 😂

[@theconformist2399]

The Civic lineup in general is massive. People praise how roomy they are and it’s really because the cars have grown to basically become the size of Accords from a few years ago.

[@mogulme6190]

@@theconformist2399 how much do they weigh

[@blazesmooth5573]

@@mogulme6190 3200 lbs, light as hell

[@mtvideos8]

They have gotten too big it’s sad really.

[@pawemateja3325]

i recently found this channel and im just binging every single episode you guys made, 10/10 content :D

[@rsoul7282]

If only you got the Yaris GR, our dear Canadian friends, that is where that engine truly belongs.

[@eugenux]

hopefully the GRY morizo edition will not be 70k..nor 60k..maybe even not 50k. If it is below 50k, it will sell like mad!, just imagine, 300 hp, 40-50kgs less, so, 1230-1240 kgs, that small body, that rally bred chassis... on a backroad or a mountain pass, nothing will stand a chance.. nothing!

[@djpollo2474]

I honestly like the gr corolla more

[@eugenux]

@@djpollo2474 it does not have the rally chassis.. and it is also bigger in size. They made it only because they could not sell the GRY in N america.

[@yay842]

I know such a shame. I'm beyond thankful that they at least gave us the GR Corolla

[@mikevick4122]

@@eugenux lol already saw one thats not for 64k

[@thelandlord8098]

3:31 - How's the "Accord Type-R"? 🤔

[@TheDukens90]

U can get a Acura for that

[@saadtheman1]

toyotas will always win my heart 1.reliability 2.resell value 3.drives so smooth 4.cheap on maintence 5.amazing on gas

[@FSXflyermaster]

Not the gr cars

[@waybassdroids]

1:59 civic's middle exhaust valve is so responsive, it might be had a 1:1 opening ratio with the throttle body

[@dre32pitt]

Still sounds very lackluster though..

[@notsure3535]

They sound like vacuum cleaners

[@Newyen6MT]

Very interesting desigm

[@onuohafamily]

@@notsure3535 need downpipe

[@notsure3535]

@@onuohafamily it will still sound like a vacuum cleaner.

[@Marbind]

The outcome is right on point. No surprises. Both are excellent cars.

[@BWTECH0521]

Great cars. Sad that hot hatches are no longer what they used to be - cheap fun.

[@copperkeyracing6167]

What are talking about? They are still a ton of fun. Maybe you're just getting too old for this.

[@LEDbacklighting]

@@copperkeyracing6167 yeah it's fun but not cheap as in expensive, get it?

[@mihan5660]

@@LEDbacklighting the closest predecessors of these were expensive too. They weren't your everyday crx's. The 1997 type r integra msrp would be worth over $38000 today. The msrp of a 1992 celica all-track turbo, toyota's previous quasi-rally car for the road, would be about $44500 in todays money. (A 1991 crx si, in contrast, would cost $23200 in today's money)

[@nickryan6787]

@@copperkeyracing6167 i think OP meant that they're aren't that cheap anymore

[@copperkeyracing6167]

@Nick Ryan Except that when an EVO came out as a 2003 model, 20years ago, they cost $28,987... and by inflation, that would be $47,727 (using bls.gov) today. If you compare an EVO from 2003 to todays GR Corolla, stock to stock, in a back to back test, the GR Corolla would stomp all over the 2003 EVO, and it's been done... so, the price is not an issue, and the fun is not the issue. If you say, well, an EVO stomped on all it's competition then, so we need to compare the price on something like an RSX-S to the GR Corolla. Ok, then we have 21years ago, 2002, at $23650... which by inflation, would be $39,951... and that car is no fun compared to the GR Corolla, I've owned mine for 21years, handling absolutely sucks in comparison, and it's over 100hp less. So, no, price and fun is absolutely better than it use to be.

[@andriesswa6453]

I would pick the GR of the 4. Just great fun and measures up great to the rest.

[@ExhaustNoteChannel]

It is crazy how much fun you are both having in cars that really aren't that fast compared to most of the cars you guys are testing. Goes to show, you don't need supercar to have fun.

[@jeffmounts2567]

A small, low powered car can be a ton of fun to drive. I've owned big power cars, race bikes, lots of fast toys. My civic si is probably my favorite car out of any of them. It's not fast, but its very sporty and its easy to push to its limits on the street. Add a few things suspension wise, and its able to run big power cars on winding roads all day lol.

[@robosteez]

Lol. Not that fast... 20 years ago this is what supercars were doing. A 1990 corvette zr1 did like a 4.5 0-60 that was like king back then haha

[@jacobrev6567]

This is the best hatchback drag race in throttle house I ever watch

[@jimiverson3085]

Those two races went as expected - traction for the standing start and peak HP for the roll race, with both pretty close. Now, let's get them both on a track to see what happens there.

[@alejandrojerez9016]

Awesome Race. Love your videos.

[@MrPwingals]

Can’t wait to see the videos of these modified and racing. They’re going to be awesome

[@aaronroosa6385]

I wanted a GR, but the mark up drove me to get a 2019 WRX STI limited, for $20k less than the GR. I'm super happy with it, but dang the GR is nice.

[@TheBreakfastLover]

as expected, the Type R wins from a roll, but from a dig the GR takes it thanks to AWD.

[@Michael-pi8ps]

damn spoilers much

[@Toymonkeyjr]

L

[@JahoSelamaj]

L

[@JahoSelamaj]

@@Michael-pi8ps Ikr I stopped reading the comments before watching the vid for that exact reason, it happens always

[@afcgeo882]

Not only that, but it looks like the Honda only outpaces the Yota at over 80mph.

[@goodcopbadcop7438]

Another day, another great video. Keep it up!

[@dannybishop68]

I knew the GRC would win the dig but I’m shocked how close the type r was. And it was even closing the gap a bit. Impressive race

[@hondasarefaster5914]

Na just a bad driver, typer r would win dig with better driver..

[@dannybishop68]

@@hondasarefaster5914 Yeah I could see that . I mean it was so close.

[@Vermonstered]

@@dannybishop68 Realize though the core or circuit GRC will be somewhere 2-5 tenths slower. Between the extra torque, 100lb weight reduction, 50% increased rear spring rate and Cup 2 tires of the Morizo.

[@Khmersupra]

doing it with one less cylinder tho about .5 displacement per cylinder to equal k20

[@dannybishop68]

@@Khmersupra but 2 extra drive wheels beat that one missing cylinder argument. AWD is a huge advantage regardless of cylinders especially launching .

[@azthar]

Same thing happened in my wrx sti, from a dig my sti was about 4-5 car length ahead of the type r, also I should add the roads were a little bit wet from light drizzle. Type r has better top end, and he started reeling me in and passed me at about 160kph. I like the honda, but living in Northern Canada, nothing can make me own another fwd car. If I lived in California or somewhere similar, I'd definitely consider owning one.

[@DynamiteDB]

That Corolla is quick but I’d definitely take the Type R. So much incredible engineering goes into the Type R. it’s way more practical and heaps better looking too. Both great cars.

[@DiaperSNiFFER]

But FWD 🤢 🤮

[@moisescastillo6686]

Civics were always fwd

[@DiaperSNiFFER]

@@moisescastillo6686 exactly 🤢 🤮

[@air-headedaviator1805]

Gotta question on the race! I imagine 50/50 mode was used for the dig, but what mode was used for the roll? Since its a clutch style locking awd, whatever mode you have it in potentially absorbs power right? If multiple tests were done, was there a difference in speed with the 60/40 split vs the 30/70 vs the 50/50? Or just the same?

[@NvSrAgE679]

I’d imagine 30/70 would be best for a role. Less drive train loss when splitting up the HP.

[@CRatcliffe]

The race we’ve all been waiting for on the grc forum lol I’d be curious how a CE or core would do with the torque difference.

[@tuchlawson5244]

The same I'd imagine. Neither is winning the roll race. Of course would win from a dig. Based off this the fk8 would dust the GRC in a roll. And lose even worse from the dig.

[@mez6256]

Long gearing will help the core

[@tuchlawson5244]

@@singular9 the fk8 beat the fl5 in the roll by a decent bit. Check the earlier throttle house vid. Also, fwd with an lsd does great in the wet. AWD is better still.

[@DPJS2K]

​@@singular9 Enjoy dropping the clutch and having fun in the rain. We'll buy the car that is better for everything else including the track.

[@AntFragale]

@@singular9 for what it’s worth 5mph as a trap speed is a massive amount. I don’t know if that’s what this was, I’d guess it was more like 2 but, just saying.

[@TheCaesarChris]

The FL5 is so beautiful! Great cars, don’t need the AWD and no snow in Australia so FL5 for me

[@briansimpson5664]

Thank you for doing dig & roll races that actually makes sense. Tired of watching channels where the matchup is completely irrelevant or unfair. Like watching the type R vs a C8 🙄 By far you guys have the best channel for car matchups

[@IndraAUTOTV]

🏁 Toyota No. 1 🇮🇩

[@SilverScarletSpider]

7:46 James and Han make an interesting point here that shows how time’s really can change. Nowadays, some folks might prefer to be rolling around in a new Hyundai than a Mitsubishi.

[@MonicaHolly143]

Not sure who those folks are

[@Dx-qg9jm]

Hyundai has the N line who wouldn’t

[@BigRedtheGinger]

In all fairness, Mitsubishi doesn't make anything worth noticing these days. If they still had the Lancer with Ralliart trim(of course offer the Evo), or a Galant with a VR4 trim, then the opposite would be true. Sadly, Mitsubishi isn't concerned about making cool cars anymore.

[@hyperbomb02]

Hyundai offers a bunch of great cars compared to Mitsu. If Mitsubishi was still making any number of its consider stable of performance icons, I'd imagine they would be wildly more popular than the N Line.

[@RennieAsh]

@@BigRedtheGinger the Mitsubishi mirage in hot pink is cool ;-)

[@pfunkle]

I feel like the more important question for these cars is.... which is more fun and more capable in the corners? And since the Morizo is a limited run... how do the two base models compare?

[@copperkeyracing6167]

The Morizo is about a car length faster, in the dig and roll race, than the two base models. On the track, about a second, but it's mostly the tires. The CTR and GR Corolla are equally fun and capable for the average, and even enthusiast driver. The experts will only notice a difference in the track times, barely, but a win is a win.

[@Arkinine93]

Throttle house is just god entertainment. Give James an Oscar already 😂😂😂

[@copperkeyracing6167]

5:18 They are not equally opposite on the dig vs roll race. If you look closely, and compare the two finishes... In the dig race, the GR Corolla wins by 2.5 to 3car lengths. In the roll race, the CTR wins by 2 car lengths. If you average them, then the GR Corolla wins by half a car to a car length... and digrolls ARE yummy, I had one at the convenient store, the other day.

[@MistahLogi]

Type R is for circuit racing & being the most successful fwd car ever made, facts Corolla GR is for practical driving and all weather conditions, just another Corolla variant that Toyota will discontinue in the future when sales go down Type R will never die, it truly is the legendary car between the two

[@Fasteddiebreakshearts]

🏁🏁The 50k superhatch drag race we didn’t know we needed 😎🤙🏾

[@notsure3535]

Unfortunately msrp doesn't mean shit these days.

[@danielzapien24]

More like 120k

[@Fasteddiebreakshearts]

@@danielzapien24 lol 😂 50k per car not all together

[@Fasteddiebreakshearts]

@@notsure3535 prices are starting to fall just wait til third quarter this year 😎

[@notsure3535]

@@Fasteddiebreakshearts I heard that too. Hopefully it's true.

[@WatchGeek]

Very nice Speedmaster there Thomas, a very appropriate watch 😁👍

[@YasssStitch]

Great, fun, affordable cars that no one can buy.

[@jyaad]

Only buy it if you want it. Usually when you work hard for something you get it. Maybe you don't want neither of them enough to want it.

[@michaelmaas5544]

Why can no one buy them? Because you’re broke and can’t?

[@oemj7147]

@@michaelmaas5544 You're new to this? Bless your heart.

[@michaelmaas5544]

@@oemj7147 please enlighten me

[@BitcoinTo150K]

@@michaelmaas5544 you poor poor thing you've never tried to purchase either? Ask about mark up will wake you fast

[@Kommander-jb8zc]

I own 23’ GR86 and it’s a blast. Next up to own is a GR Corolla I love this color

[@colt2206]

Man if Honda would go with AWD and bump up the engine size/hp they would have a unbeatable sports car

[@ikelaiho]

So now the questions are 1. What time would the Moritzo edition do on your track? 2. The GR Corolla or the Yaris, which is faster?

[@Vermonstered]

Morizo times will depend upon 1) if the spring rate is too high for their bumpy /narrow track 2) if the shortened final drive works with their track and 3) if the cup 2's pay off on their surface. Expect up to say a just over a second if it mostly works out on their short track. As for the second question the GR Yaris is faster. No spec implies the GR Corolla will be faster in any performance metric. Has worse power to weight, longer wheel base, more weight to turn/brake/accel, same drivetrain and suspension. The GRC is slower than the GRY.

[@felixpelchat9046]

I noticed at 2:00 you can see a valve open on the center exhaust on the Civic Type R when it is reving, pretty cool detail.

[@copperkeyracing6167]

If you look closely, they are both having their center valve open and close, but the CTR has the sun reflecting back at you. The GR Corolla is electronic though, so it opens differently than the CTR, which is solely by exhaust pressure and counter weights.

[@jayson4151]

@@copperkeyracing6167 the CTR exhaust valve is indeed electronic.

[@copperkeyracing6167]

@jayson santiago Oh really!?! I didn't know. Many Type-Rs have had bypass valves, and in the past, they always worked by exhaust pressure and counter weights. I owned a DC5 Type-R exhaust, which I had on my DC5 Type-S, and it's bypass valve worked with exhaust pressure.

[@TheChewbaca69]

Man i want that GR.

[@SyedJunaidBukhari786]

A most awaited Drag race ever🔥

[@ctm5617]

The ending was great. Well done! Love these videos.

[@archipelago93]

This channel has legitimately gotten me interested in one day (when I can afford a second car-and when cars are finally once again not crazy scarce & sold at ridiculous markups) purchasing a fun little affordable *driver’s* car like a Golf GTI, Miata, etc.

[@Fat0GT]

I can sell you a Miata at msrp or possibly below msrp

[@SilverScarletSpider]

i’m thankful that Toyota’s GR Corolla defeated the Honda’s Civic Type R only in the dig because hopefully the next 2030 Type R finally includes AWD.

[@olehh1496]

Man why are you such spoiler?)

[@tuchlawson5244]

@@olehh1496 He didn't spoil the roll race.

[@tuchlawson5244]

Toyota lost from a roll.

[@ArchMJ88]

GR Corolla lost the roll race, the lap time, and was getting caught with less trap speed in the 1/4 mile. All of that while destroying the clutch of the GR.

[@olehh1496]

@@tuchlawson5244 then this guy is bad spoiler 😀

[@Soul_Flow_]

I want to see the rolling race between Hyundai Elantra N (DCT) vs Toyota GR Corolla. And also, which car is most fun to drive, best value for money among Elantra N, GR Corolla, and Civic Type R.

[@avis1978]

The answer is easy. The elantra N takes it all. It's 20k cheaper then the Toyota and 10k cheaper then the Honda and golf R. And it's as fast on the track.

[@Soul_Flow_]

@@avis1978 , you are an astute, smart man.

[@Wind_slash0]

Still prefer the gr. Ain't no specsheet enthusiast

[@Soul_Flow_]

@@Wind_slash0 , what if the Elantra N had a Toyota or Honda badge, and gr had hyundai?

[@JacesOwnWorld]

The best value for the money is obviously the Hyundai Elantra N. There are many reviews on youtube showcasing this already. But lets not forget about the Golf R, which is just the best daily performer out of all of these cars, for the price. Yes, its interior is junk, and not everyone wants to be seen driving a VW Golf, but its no doubt the best car for the money in terms of performance after the Elantra N. The CTR and GR Corolla are overpriced by a lot! There's are reason why the Golf is the hot hatch that all other hot hatches have built their platforms on...

[@setset7966]

I just love you ! J and T , You guys make car review fun !

[@copperkeyracing6167]

6:58 The CTR is not the roll race king, because when we include all the hot hatches... then we also include the Golf R DSG, which is faster in a roll than the CTR, either of them, fk8 or fl5. So, the Golf R DSG is the roll race, and dig race king, the GR Corolla the most fun in any scenario king (in my opinion, due to manual only, and AWD), and the CTR the track king. The Cupra Leon 300 is also faster in a roll than the CTR FK8 or FL5, but we don't get that car in the English&French Speaking part of North America, like GR Yaris (Mexico gets them both)... and that's a Golf R derivative that has the same drivetrain but FWD, anyway.

[@davothegreat9990]

Rs3 is the roll race hatch king. Golf r is far off being king. Even the amg 45s hatch is faster.

[@copperkeyracing6167]

@@davothegreat9990 you're right. I guess I wasn't including the luxury hatches... which we don't get in the USA, or Canada, or Mexico... or, well anywhere in any of the Americas.

[@monkymind4316]

James' closeout rant was the best part. too bad it faded out.

[@falkin42]

Yeah, I was confused about the fade out of the most interesting part. Comparing something to its competitors is where the meat is.

[@jonathanhutasoit_]

i really like the contents, keep up the great work ThrottleHouse!

[@RcCrawlerGuy]

Nice! Now lets see a Elantra N Dct vs those..

[@BDA0531]

Why? I like the EN but it literally makes no sense to compare a DCT to a manual

[@RcCrawlerGuy]

@@BDA0531 the Elantra’s N best form of itself is the Dct. I get what your saying.. but the awd in the Corolla has a huge advantage also… along with the new type r’s power figures makes the EN in any form of itself the underdog.

[@FB6K24Z7]

The Type R takes it from a roll vs the Elantra N Dct search for the video on KZbin

[@RcCrawlerGuy]

@@FB6K24Z7 they go back and forth depending on the driver.

[@FB6K24Z7]

@@RcCrawlerGuythe EN is a Dct so there is nothing about being a good driver in that you just have to floor the juice paddle or if your shifting yourself just have to watch the rpm where as it takes more skill to shift a manual like the type r and if the driver in the type r knows how to shift guick and at the correct rpm the type r has more top end

[@KevinMay71]

1:38 He gets where "Morizo" comes from. Glad someone did their homework

[@jasonyewkokhoong946]

Looking forward to try on Yaris GRMN

[@levelz3168]

More horsepower, more torque, better looks, same weight and better value for money. Type R is one hell of a deal

[@lezzeppelin2222]

Type R some dealer around 80k .

[@Bmontepeque11]

I'm always a sucker for anything Toyota, Honda or Mazda, but this feels special because it is the Renaissance of the Hot Hatch in America 🌚❤️

[@JBrown-go8ru]

There is no renaissance for hot hatches. Calm down!

[@MonBerry]

I remember the old days few of my buddies with civic drooling over the vtec sound. Sounded like the engine was on its last leg 😂😂

[@IntegraDIY]

the roll race and turns is where the FL5 shines. from a dig? full bolt ons, smaller wheels and driver mod it’ll do put in work.

[@norcal9376]

These two cars aren't power crazy, not really designed to do the quarter miles or hwy pulls (you can but that's not where they shine). So why are we measuring this as a KPI and not how fast you can take a corner? It would be like taking a mustang and measuring its performance on how well you can touge. You can, but it just doesn't really make sense.

[@FullTimeGT]

Great video! Really really really love what Toyota did with their new GR lineup, specially the GR Yaris and GR Corolla. Imagine, a 3 cylinder engine in the same league as the Civic Type-R and Golf-R. Good job Toyota!

[@jed23ify]

And that AWD, oh baby, makes the GR Corolla so versatile, on the the track, on snowy roads. Great job Toyota!

[@truthaboutlife2026]

MO-RI-ZO........MO-RI-ZO........MO-RI-ZO!!!!!!!!!! GREAT JOB TOYOTA...........ALL HAIL THE KING!!!!...........ALL HAIL.........THE KING!!!!

[@imyourhuckleberry4547]

No, the civic is in the same league as the corolla.

[@vicnoy3684]

@@truthaboutlife2026 CIVIC TYPE R still has the throne.Wake up ! you are having a nightmare!LOL

[@brazzadazza]

That 3cyl power though 😂

[@baythegrouw34]

Love That Civic Type R 😍

[@SaltStorm007]

Which one would you buy.....🤔

[@MrCaribe65]

The one that can be safely tuned and modified for more power. Both look beautiful. I'm glad Honda changed the look of the Type R.

[@MalikDual]

Dom : Ask any racer. Any real racer. It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning. 😂

[@kiefershanks4172]

I'm a fan of this new 3-cylinder. Beyond the GR Yaris and GR Corolla, it would seem this engine is destined for big things as it is currently the platform for building a production hydrogen combustion engine for use in other Toyota products. Hydrogen combustion engines pretty much require turbocharging and strong internals due to the violent combustion of hydrogen gas that requires much larger air volumes to make efficient power. While I hope the engine is efficient enough that a manual transmission is feasible, I think it is more likely to require a hybrid system. Either way, if combustion engine exhaust can be made much cleaner, that is definitely a win. Also, odd-cylinder engines sound sooooo good with the right setup. Toyota is on 🔥

[@naveenthemachine]

Damn that GR corolla is a monster 😳 I honestly can’t believe it 🤩😍.

[@Grease_and_Grub]

Very interesting, judging by your previous video of the older type r , it would most probably walk the Corolla from a rolling race

[@rockemsockemrusbot684]

Throttle hose is one of my favorite shows on KZbin

[@UltimateDadGamer]

Best. Car. Channel. Period.

[@g.r.2985]

Only you guys can make drag race as interesting 😂…keep up the great work

[@Philbyyyy]

Never heard of Carwow?

[@g.r.2985]

Yeah, why?

[@colins.3093]

Can we get the new golf r in here too? That would be a good one. Love the content guys, watch every vid!

[@wilbeugre]

They might have done it already if I'm not mistaken 🤔 (look at the end of the video)

[@Patient_Lion_BS]

Golf r would smoke both, more power, and very good awd system

[@MonicaHolly143]

@@Patient_Lion_BS not in the track

[@puga4202]

@@MonicaHolly143 This video is about drag race and roll race. Not lap timers.

[@MonicaHolly143]

@@puga4202 they already said in the video the golf r is faster in drag so yeah

[@SharifZ4335]

Awesome to see the GR Corolla Moriso win the drag race!

[@RobertSmith-ez8hl]

Love the channel I just wish there were more videos to watch.

[@illuminatidestroyerbear2231]

James loves the sound of his own voice🤣😂 you guys are awesome👊

[@TheBasher-_-]

I love it too tbf. It's like if Prince Harry got to do car reviews lol. 😆

[@M4rt_FX]

@@TheBasher-_- Of all the human males on the planet with a British accent you chose Harry as a reference? Americans, god help us. ✌️

[@TheBasher-_-]

@Mart54 Dude James has made several references to Prince Harry. In one Skit he even tapes a picture of Princess Meghan Markle to the window and kisses her for inspiration. Prince Harry us an amazingly strong figure to immulate, he's even done more time in the British Armed services than any of his family members serving for over 10 years in the Army. And he has an actual intelligent wife who went to a real college not an art school lmao.

[@TheBasher-_-]

@Mart54 And if your from the UK yeah your gonna need God to help your failing country, failing economy after Brexit and as far as the BRF all one has to say is Charles and... omfg "Queen" Camilla the two adulterers.

[@M4rt_FX]

@@TheBasher-_- Your response is absolutely everything I’d expect it would be. Thank you.

[@aroundomaha]

Race of the dealer mark up specials. I love that they exist but also sad that they are unobtainable unless you sign your life away.

[@stockey]

The Elantra N is the real bargain here, great car, for much cheaper.

[@akush42069]

Who wants a Hyundai over a Toyota or Honda 🤣

[@nxtphone4696]

@@akush42069 agree EN is ugly af. japanese know how to make cool Designs

[@mogulme6190]

@@nxtphone4696 have you seen the car in person? They are not ugly. It’s striking and aggressive

[@avis1978]

@@akush42069 smart people, and basically 6.5 million that bought a car from the Hyundai group in 2022. 3rd in the 🌎.

[@little123456788]

Until the Hyundai engine blows up 😅

[@stuartsmith5308]

Golf R or Type R or GR . Which would you want to own for 3yrs as your daily ?

[@Tigerex966]

Your best video yet. Bring them.back with the n wrx si gti golf r all manual if possible.

[@badmandontdance]

Love the ending. I think they are done with the Hot hatch if questions. Love it

[@FujiboHeavy]

Awesome video! Truly loving the GR Corolla as a whole overall package with styling/practicality/performance. Hope to have one, one day!!

[@TheEMan621]

I would really just love for Mazda to bring something like the speed3 back to challenge these two.

[@Yoomaro]

Same! That’s the one I’ll be most excited for

[@adrnjsph]

I used to own a Gen 1. Very underrated cars for FWD. It actually reminds me of my FK8, just a lot more refined.

[@TheEMan621]

@@adrnjsph I own a final year gen 2, they're just an absolute blast.

[@adrnjsph]

@@TheEMan621 That’s what’s up! 🤟🏼

[@michaelscurr9046]

I had a roller in the 80s we did many runs up and down the coast getting shacked great memories

[@Acc0rd79]

As an owner of the FK8 Type R, the new model just doesn't do it for me, just so bland, doesn't stick out at all anymore. yawn. I'd be temped for the Corolla GR if I was currently in the market.

[@ARunto]

and we know that the FK8 is the real roll race King!

[@young3nsinglej]

Would love to see lap times of these two around that specific track.

[@VeyroneR]

Type R would smoke Toyota hard in that regard.