2023 MANUAL Toyota Supra Quick Review // About Time

The 2023 Toyota Supra A-91 MT Edition ($72,217 as specced in Canada, $60,635 in the US) is finally here. After three years with an automatic transmission only, the Toyota Supra is now available once again with a manual gearbox. It is still powered by the same 3.0L turbo 6-cylinder, but now includes a new traction control system to help prevent tank-slapping oversteer and improve cornering traction. Thomas and James take the new Supra MT Edition out to see how it performs as a fun street car. How does it compare to its competition for the price, and how is it to drive with the new transmission? We hope you enjoy the episode. Subscribe!!
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[@MisterSkizzels]

The new M2 is going to be almost 3900lbs! (1769kg), compared to the Supra which is ~3300 (1496kg). The Supra is the best BMW Sports car you can buy now, hands down.

[@BlackonBlackE46]

@beast boy car is car, good car is good car

[@alalal123421]

@@BlackonBlackE46 audi is car

[@Saji310]

"The Supra is the best BMW Sports car you can buy now" Probably true and at the same time sooo sad how such a great brand has destroyed itself. BMW, not Toyota. 😉

[@mamalui]

Oh wow. Somewhat incredible that a modern compact sports car weighs as much as a 90s wagon.

[@Saji310]

@beast boy Imagine telling anybody in the 90s that BMW will have the ugliest German cars and that past the Bangle area.

[@bottlely]

The CU Later Gray paint is named in reference to the periodic table symbol for copper (Cu), because this is a BMW paint colour called Sparkling Copper Grey. CU Later has metallic copper flakes in it, and it's supposed to shine like gold under light. Similarly, the Supra's also new Stratosphere Blue is BMW's Portimao Blue, borrowed from the BMW M3.

[@treaves2175]

Wow. That colour name went from stupid to pretty cool real fast with this explanation. Thank you!

[@spicysnowman8886]

My bmw has sparkling Graphite and it doesn't sparkle much

[@Iprado150]

Came here to say this but you said it better.

[@walidyasin2039]

Thanks for the intelligent explanation. They should have known that as reviewers of the car but that requires research I guess

[@bottlely]

​@@treaves2175 Personally, it's still stupid, but the really fun kind of stupid that I can't help but appreciate. Just like the GR 86's punny "Track bRed" paint

[@avipillai1584]

I think the “Cu Later” refers to the fact that Copper ages over time into a green-blue gray. Pretty clever name if that’s what they were doing.

[@AisuruMirai]

James had the name wrong. It's "CU Later Gray," not "Cu Later." I, for one, don't think that they would name a car color after oxidized metal that is a completely different color than the car's paint.

[@dannyd7714]

CU is the name of the element Copper

[@matthenderson]

Clever fellow

[@erouse91]

I think hes right with the oxidized copper thing. If you see it in sunlight, there is a hint of copper in the fleck. Anyone go get a penny that is clearly old and look at the color. It's pretty spot on

[@usonumabeach300]

@@dannyd7714 technically "Cu" is copper. "CU" is a molecule of 1 carbon and 1 uranium. Lowercase letters are important when talking elements. The only thing my google-fu could find regarding a single of each atom is a novel bond scientists have been able to create which has a very weak bond (which means it's not a stable molecule) and is called uranium methanide, but it's UC, not CU. What little I recall from chemistry in highschool 24 years ago along with Google makes this an important distinction, but I don't remember WHY.

[@AlainHubert]

This 8-minute video felt like 2 minutes! That's how good this channel is.

[@tHe_WiZaRd_Life]

I legit had to fact check this. I thought it was a 2 min video. Pleasantly surprised and I agree with you.

[@arniegrape7364]

Me too

[@GrantsUsername]

Definitely could’ve been way longer, but YMMV on that opinion.

[@LaTacheGrandCru]

Feel like 3h boomers sitcom tv show

[@irmjbhh]

3:57 I love how James is genuinely scared as Thomas casually cruises through the gears 😮

[@silv3rArrow]

AFAIK "genuinely" will aways be the Ford GT episode 😬

[@Vge21x]

Dunking on the Z is understadable, but still hurts a little. It has to be said, obviously, but everybody knows full well that unless the Z and the manual Supra sell, we're not getting cars like that ever again.

[@spicysnowman8886]

Everybody keeps saying things like this and then one gets released a year later.

[@rcDoom]

The Z can dunk on other cars to.

[@Vge21x]

@@spicysnowman8886 If people weren't saying it, there is no way in hell Toyota would bother with a manual Supra. Not to mention Toyota didn't want to build a new Supra in the first place, until BMW offered to do it for them, in exchange for their tech.

[@joeracer302]

I’m pretty sure the Z isn’t the last fat pig of disappointment that Nissan will make.

[@nightraven5760]

whats wrong with the z?

[@JeanPaulConnock]

It's always been a good looking car -- if you think it is a good looking car. This is exactly the insightful analysis for which I depend on you guys. :D Great work, as always.

[@samsound8510]

Would you say it's more or less good looking than Adam Driver?

[@alvinmercado6305]

the manual of this car will be an underappreciated gem. i see this in 15 years being something collected once everything is eletric

[@harambeMk5]

i agree

[@OpenBarGarage]

Definitely. Especially that it will have been low volume. The rare supra. The one you should want damnit

[@dogshmog]

@@OpenBarGarage there will be many more. They’re pushing the manual “edition” right now as a special thing.

[@abhishay22]

manual, 6 cylinder, RWD, hatchback, manual handbrake, the perfect recipe

[@FoundationLeatherCo.]

I totally disagree with you. This is what Supra appreciators have been yelling at Toyota to provide since the A91 was released. This is an appreciated gem that is finally attainable. These will sell like crazy. I’ll bet 85% of GR Supra owners will (try to) buy one of these and trade on their ZF8 speed Supra.

[@peterpabian]

Good job including the foliage in the opening shot.

[@cosmic_gate476]

Come to Canada, you will see these colors everywhere right now. We have the most gorgeous autumns 😍

[@SlickSniper3]

They refined the steering and handling quite a bit. Owners from the previous years have gone onto the 2023 and report both on track and street that the steering changes have made the car more communicative of what the front and back end are actually doing. Suspension is more composed and doesn't snap oversteer. I'd love to see you guys take a 2023 onto the track, either automatic or manual and see for yourself. I myself moved from a 2020 AT to a new 2023 Automatic and live near TMP if you guys want to try.

[@bman1668]

Why not wait for last year model? Or manual? 2020 and 2021 have different suspension as well , well the tuning of suspension

[@SlickSniper3]

@@bman1668 dealership offered Me close to what I paid for it 3 years ago! Likely going to stick with the 2023 for the long haul, was happy with the 2020 though for sure.

[@TheRealChilly]

This is why you never buy the first model year of any vehicle, unless you're deeply in love with the vehicle and/or plan to make it a garage princess.

[@SlickSniper3]

@@TheRealChilly the 2020 was still a mighty good car for a first model year

[@TheWoebegoneJackal]

@@SlickSniper3 2020 is still the best sounding year, which to me is one of the most important things if you don't plan on modding.

[@albonfilms]

So, CU Later Grey is originally a BMW color called "Sparkling Copper Metallic". And when the sun hits it, it produces quite a shiny Copper-color flake. So then, why "CU Later"? Because on the periodic table, Copper is Cu. Still a tremendously silly name 😂. Love y'all ❤️

[@Daniel-oh2ug]

Thank you for enlightening me with your genius. Just looked up an image of the flake and it looks awesome.

[@jamesengelsman9369]

Wow, we give a shout out and you come here to slam us with some facts. I never thought I'd have to organize a KZbinr boxing match but today you woke up and chose violence. LET'S HAVE AT IT. p.s. the entire time we had this, the sun didn't come out.

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

oh wow, he does respond

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

sadly 23 people gave him a thumbs up, not sure who those 23 idiots are but

[@kpjmphotographs9903]

“Only in every measurable way…” LOL! Savage!

[@manwerama]

I just can't believe how beautiful that tree at the beginning is.

[@GetOffMyLog]

Fall colors have been amazing this year!!

[@manwerama]

@@GetOffMyLog They sure have!

[@redlinedrifts69]

Welcome to Canadian autumn ;)

[@bcvijasiu]

Another Yugo HAHA, not the car but the viewer/commenter. 👍🏼

[@runner3033]

C'mon over to my place to see some more - I got a rake and some bags too! 😁

[@kratosdisciple4637]

Thanks for the link to Albon. I had never heard of him. His technical review is a perfect compliment to your guy's unique brand of entertainment. You guys are true class acts for providing links that support the enthusiast community.

[@Joey856721]

O man were you missing out

[@erickrecinos2931]

I just hope this AND the Z are great and sell well, these kind of cars are basically on life support now

[@jumbowana]

The Z doesn't look anywhere near as good but it's at least Japanese.

[@mptboi7284]

i hope this, z, miata, gr86, elantra n, golf r, sell well. I am not mentioning ctr, gr corolla, c8 z06, gt3rs, etc because we know those are gonna sell well and always be backordered. But yea we need all the fun cars to do well

[@Unicornpirate]

We have the Z, Supra, GR86/BRZ, Corolla GR, and the much better looking inside and outside 11th gen Civic Type R. For those of us who are into Japanese cars, that's a pretty decent selection. Now all we need is a new RX car from Mazda and a GR86 fighter from Nissan called the Silvia and all is well. Yes I know the Supra isn't Japanese but still.

[@vidademikey9790]

I hope they make very minimal production runs. Instead of depreciating, these cars will increase in value year after year.

[@Anon_Fox]

@@vidademikey9790 nah bro unlimited is needed. Once electrics take the market these regardless will appreciate in value.

[@LitleBear]

Waiting for my BASE 3.0 Manual to arrive, at MSRP, in the new blue. Seems like a solid deal for a fun but not too ridiculous little sports car. The only thing I wish was an option was the brown interior because that elevates the cabin a lot IMO.

[@v8_sami]

The base manual starts at 60k? USD?

[@LitleBear]

@@v8_sami $55, $60 for the premium.

[@flea4061]

I'd get the blue too.

[@Lianpe98]

base-d :v

[@Zayduzit]

I’m waiting for mine too, I’ve been on the allocation list for months, any word on when you get yours? My dealership told me they don’t know when they’ll get it but they’ll definitely have it for me.

[@Modmaann]

"The vents start as fake but get more real later" that got me 😂

[@tomcook8897]

I would describe it as Amazon Delivery Van Grey

[@pushslice]

so….Prime-er Grey? :-D

[@zachariewright1690]

You guys are so much fun to watch. Thanks for all the laughs and the great info as well.

[@makatron]

The best Canadian car related channel by far.

[@kamikazi5144]

I can tell you guys are just fans of cars in general and enjoy your work, that's why you're so good at it. Keep up the great content Throttle House

[@kamikazi5144]

@whatsapp👉₊₁₆₆₉₃₀₇₈₅₇₃ I got something for yo mama, also why do you have a black dude's profile picture? No one on Throttle House is black last time I checked

[@CypressRacing]

Nice brief review, now let's get a full one and get this thing on the track! There's supposed to be more changes (suspension tuning) outside of just the added manual.

[@jkliao6486]

I think even at this price tag, this could still be a better car for your bucks than the new M2

[@csanc2906]

A used F series M2 is a better bang for you buck than both of those haha

[@jkliao6486]

@@csanc2906 Debatable, the NA version supra has nearly the same amount of power and less weight, and supra has a shorter wheel base. Apart from able to put two more people at the back. The f gen M2 is NOT a better car than supra. Not to mention if it's not the competition version, which has less power.

[@fortheloveofnoise9298]

The wind buffeting is a deal breaker for the Supra, but if they would make a convertible version, I would be hyped.

[@jkliao6486]

@@fortheloveofnoise9298 As long as Z4 exists, there won't be a convertible supra.

[@gabrielflores1149]

ZL1 is better, in every way, plus has 2 more seats.

[@madmyro]

Finally, been waiting for a review of the manual Supra from you guys. I’m going to order one in the next couple months and want all the info I can get.

[@redbarchetta8782]

I've seen groups of these new Supras running around. Sounds like it's becoming a classic.

[@ArtVarque]

I'm gonna call that color "battleship gray" and it seems to be all the rage among carmakers these days and I can see why. It's just so eye-catching. All it needs is a USS A91 painted on its side. Go figure...

[@cosmic_gate476]

The paint itself is cool but gray is the last thing I would want a sports car in, too bland.

[@joelpeterson2074]

"Only in every imaginable way" had me rolling. You guys just kill it every time. When will we see you on TV? Is there a Top Gear Canada yet?

[@nirfz]

he said "measuarable way". 🤫

[@joelpeterson2074]

​@@nirfz Right, oops.

[@Lianpe98]

jokes aside, that's accurate since some migth consider it better looking and migth genuinely enjoy the extra body roll or... I don't know what else, but, those are not objectively measurable.

[@clifftaylor3295]

The setting of the intro was beautiful. You can't beat those Canadian Fall colors!

[@Vito_Caligiuri]

MN fall colors>

[@intoitshots420]

@@Vito_Caligiuri any northern state/midwestern lol

[@clifftaylor3295]

@@intoitshots420 I agree!

[@SuryaDe]

I like the new Supra more and more. If I had to go to work every day I would probably pick this up as a daily driver.

[@Aaron3Ni]

6:45 “that was genuine” 😂

[@cosmic_gate476]

BMW is not a bad word, they make good performance cars. No need to feel bad calling it a BMW

[@TrymeAsshole]

Lol I love the shot at the Z you guys took at the end 😂 and I agree if I was choosing between the two I’d have to take the M2 and I love Toyota

[@tgoods44]

Both cars are BMWs... and the Z is about 15k cheaper MSRP. If they are comparing the Z to the Supra they might as well make the better comparison (price similarity) to an 86.

[@TrymeAsshole]

@@tgoods44 say whatever you want but Supra comes with the Toyota name plate and they tuned the engine and transmission as well as designed the body and look the Supra has so it’s majority bmw not all ….. the Z was a big disappointment and almost every enthusiast agrees so … fuck off

[@dixztube]

I saw one of these on the road and freaked out ! It’s so awesome

[@AlexandreCardinal50]

Taking delivery of mine next week, so excited!!

[@jkliao6486]

2:24 I thought you guys would never test the RS3 because it won't be available in Canada. This gets me excited!

[@ronin84]

We really need a manual transmission hierarchy chart. I've had three manual bimmers and the shifter feel is always spongey. Honda has great manuals. A Mazda MX-5 (NC) has probably my favorite shift feel.

[@iamthelaw69]

They all feel overly notchy, and not very good feedback unless you punch the shifts with the force of a semi truck. I didn't know what I was missing until I tried the Miata ND's shifter. I don't understand why others won't use Mazda's shifter as reference. It's so good, can't be that hard to replicate.

[@pkennethv]

​@@iamthelaw69 I don't know this for certain, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Miata's shifter feel (which I have driven) was helped tremendously by the fact that it doesn't have to be built to deal with very much torque (seeing as it is a bespoke transmission only used in the Miata). It's basically only half the torque of the Supra/B58. Kind of like how the entire Miata in general has great feel/feedback because it isn't burdened with all the reinforcement & burliness needed to deal with huge horsepower or weight.

[@fortheloveofnoise9298]

Such a shame the ND has electronic steering....so sad, otherwise I would have got one years ago.

[@jamesbishop6697]

@@fortheloveofnoise9298 Too bad for you then. It's one of the best manual cars on the market today.

[@kevinberry5793]

That was quite the ending!

[@ericm8368]

Came here to try to answer question of manual Supra or manual F87 M2 and was the rear sorted now. Wasn’t disappointed. Thanks TH!

[@somyongai8194]

That Nissan Z bit was savage, perfect ending 🤣

[@TheWoebegoneJackal]

I've been auto-crossing my 2020 Supra all summer and honestly I think that's why I disagree when I hear people say it's a little unpredictable in the corners. My first event in it was in the wet and all I did was slide around the track (yes it was that rare auto-cross on an actual road course) the entire time. It was a perfect chance to learn where the car is at it's limits and I've not had any issues knowing where it was going since. It was a powerful experience to say the least and it gave me so much confidence in the car. In a perfect world we would all get to do this and learn what our cars actually are capable of. That's not to say it isn't tail happy, because it can be. Coming from someone who is used to lift off oversteer from hooning FWD cars (I'll always be a Honda kid) the simple answer is to learn to throttle your accelerator instead of letting go completely. 👍

[@Denverian]

A lot of old car drivers seem cannot get along with electric steering, period. I love electric steering and it takes all the hassles of analog steering that I don't have to deal with no more. I can sorta understand it being "numb", but I still get road and tire feelings from the body. I think it's just a shift in paradigm and olddies just can't appreciate the new tech on the road.

[@nkrwwsfvvngrq8779]

MANUAL FINALLY!!! GREAT VIDEO!!!🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@DailyStreetASMR]

I have two coming in next week and I can’t wait 🔥🔥🤟🏽

[@machina_spirit]

I like that shift knob 👀 very 911 like. Since it’s essentially a BMW drivetrain I’m wondering if the Supra shift rod is also BMW and thus this new Supra knob can also fit on a manual BMW?

[@vidademikey9790]

This will become one of the only cars that you will be able to drive off the lot and it doesnt insanely drop in value.

[@MrGamingCookie]

I was crazy lucky with mine! Bought my 2.0 for £42000 and a week later the value of it was £49000.

[@KingZD1]

@@MrGamingCookie why 2.0

[@MrGamingCookie]

@@KingZD1 I wanted an GR86 but they were sold out.

[@KingZD1]

@@MrGamingCookie my buddy has the new brz and he loves it, i have an sti but would love to get the new supra in manual eventually

[@MrGamingCookie]

@@KingZD1 Sadly no BRZ sold here in the UK. The Supra is a great car and I'm sure if you bought one you would be very happy with it!

[@seanbarrett4127]

I have been seeing a LOT more Supras driving about in my area. The AutoMile near me usually has a lot of C8s and stringrays driving about. Some McClarens and Ferarris but suddenly over the past month or so i have spotted around 6 Supras driving about...where before it was very rare i would see one on the road.

[@StudlySoldier]

Throttlehouse is the highlight of my week

[@SupraDebt]

Id love to hear if any of the Supra's you guys have driven had a proper alignment done. My 2020 Supra was so on edge until i got a proper alignment, it was so far off from Factory spec. Now its much better on track. And lost that nervous feeling when hitting bumps, especially at speed on track.

[@JACXOUB]

Check some fb groups! My 2020 downshift blue does this.. kinda wanting to get a new manual one.

[@JACXOUB]

The new 23s apparently handle immensely better and solved snap oversteered on ours.

[@MrLIVELINESOLUTIONS]

This deserves a track battle!

[@OffensiveJestr]

I put my deposit on a 2024 3.0 liter Premium. They expect about 8 months to deliver, can't wait to pick it up.

[@TheBasher-_-]

This car is so beautiful. Everytime I see one I'm always in awee

[@scottyd0530]

I love the Supra, and the fact that it NOW comes in manual, just adds on to my love for it.

[@xMarkie]

The B58 always sounds sooooo good

[@beefiddy8]

Yup I got a Gen 1 B58 in my 440i with the BMW engine tune (MPPSK) and it's intoxicating. The Supra sounds great as well. You can't go wrong with the B58.

[@xMarkie]

@@beefiddy8 I drove my homies 2016 340i with the M Package and it was awesome!

[@beefiddy8]

@@xMarkie very nice they're fun cars indeed!

[@xMarkie]

@@beefiddy8 very fun for daily driving! Definitely one of my favorite turbo cars that I’ve had the chance to drive.

[@YoungNinja-117]

5:55 has me weak! Lmao! The way he said "What?" 😂

[@dlhennes]

Last 20 seconds, brilliant.

[@regularguyfritz9450]

“worse,….. only in every measurable way.” 😂😂😂 poor Z.

[@cosmic_gate476]

It's also 12k cheaper in Canada for the top trim. Toyota priced the Supra too high here

[@zygarde2162]

This episode was like eating a very, very spicy dish because Z burn at the end was real…..😊

[@cosmic_gate476]

Yeah feels bad man, I still want it for $12k CAD less than the Supra... that's not a small difference

[@Efizy85]

The most entertaining car review guys

[@holdenc1006]

I wish you’d post more vids. I’d be down with one every day. You don’t even need to be choosy with the car. Doesn’t have to be even a sports car. Review any car; rubbish, cheap but ok, run off the mill sedans, anything. I’m, for one, more interested in more ordinary versions of the ordinary good cars e g a 530i rather then m5 or some E class rather than E63 Amg…That camera angle showing the dashboard is awsome. Thumbs up as always.

[@JoshuaTootell]

I personally don't have much of an interest in the exotics. I wouldn't buy one ever anyway.

[@aceofspades6667]

Also props for James saying the all new Nissan Z rather than Zed :golfclap:

[@ISFASTER]

"Only in every measurable way." 😂😂😂

[@nicaee]

7:11 yea this rings true to any car with bmw’s tt inline 6s, the engine outputs a lot of torque when the turbos are ready.

[@Post_Leako]

I'm hoping on a proper mid-cycle refresh, Toyota can address complaints like doing something about the fake vents (either removing them or making them functional, I don't care), improving visibility a bit and/or at least eliminating the wind buffeting with the windows down at speed, and adjusting the rear-suspension to something a bit more.... composed? Buttoned-down? I really like the Supra and think it has so much potential. I'm really happy to see it have a manual finally on top of the solid ZF 8-speed.

[@cryptoronindude]

The Type R has hands down one of the best manual shifters. Hopefully the aftermarket takes care of this issue on the Supra.

[@mattyoz0]

you just don't get it do you?

[@michaelollom9964]

The 'Adam Driver' of manual shifting. lol

[@pushslice]

Which Manual shifter would be the Doug DeMuro or Matt Farah of shifters? older-gen Dodge Viper?

[@pinkipipe]

Just the best for the money 👏🏻

[@harrison4ever125]

Loved, "only in every measurable way."🤣

[@mfpissboy7164]

I know it’s not really a comparable car but a used c7 corvette would definitely give this a run for it’s money

[@simbanugz2906]

c7 will give anything a run for the money. I got a 12 mustang on spray and i can only hang till 80mph

[@99-Zulu]

I think a C7 is a comparable car. Both are front mounted or front mid-mounted engines, RWD, 2 seat sport cars. The Corvette is a bit heavier. But in terms of track performance the C7 takes it. Rolling would be the Supra, and from a dig I think the C7 would win 7 out 10 times. GM has it spot on when it comes to launching vehicles without AWD. Look at the ZL1 when compared to a GT500 on unprepped surfaces. Unless the GT500 launches perfectly, it's not catching up to the Camaro until a little before the quarter mile mark. If you want a track car thats stock from the get go. Go for the C7, if you want a tossable fun car, go for the Supra. If interior quality and tech is your thing in these kind of cars the Supra is the go to. I'm also not saying the C7 isn't tossable. It's just easier and more controllable in the Supra.

[@mjleg1]

damn yall still roasting the 400z.. love it.

[@mcmurraybello5966]

Great review from Philippines

[@glenhutchins1978]

Picked up mine a few weeks ago in matte white! Got full ppf thanks to your recommendation Thomas!

[@obkf-too]

James: "Only in every measurable way!" Me: dying XD .

[@MizzouRah78]

Wtf were they thinking with adding the brown to the steering wheel!? It's disgusting. Love the Z slam at the end. 🤣

[@leotam3372]

That's such a 90s Lexus/Toyota move - slap that tan and wood everywhere

[@benholtvoigt8135]

Watching Thomas drive that thing in the rain made my hands sweaty the whole video. Did they get rid of the buffeting when the windows are down ('cause that's a deal breaker).

[@danebarry]

love that color!

[@mogulmayhem]

Did they fix the wind/open window buffeting issue?

[@Nemoticon]

They would need to redesign the whole uppre structure to do so, it's a aerodynamics issue. It would be worth it for the manufacturer to do so, it wouldn't sell them any more cars to justify the cost.

[@hellgaa91]

no

[@nismo370z4]

Funny how all the reviews leave out that minor....really huge detail !!

[@grisa12345]

CU Later in the sun is a different color. That overcast day did it no favors. Great car IMO, and part of the appeal is the relative rarity and look of the car.

[@underratedszn6549]

5:59 I was so confused till he actually clarified that’s so true lmaooo but still a super ayeoo pause moment

[@TurkeyWilliams]

Great ending!

[@dbh2765]

need a roadster version. Or a removeable roof targa (like vette). Love my Z4

[@richardnavratil9661]

I can't believe Supra didn't launch with this in the beginning. Honestly, how many potential Supra owners held out until manual became available? I'm guessing not many. Maybe people will trade in theirs?

[@Nemoticon]

Toyota didn't do so because BMW specifically said that they weren't allowed access to a manual transmission platform for 3 years. We knew this 3 years ago.

[@THECOLONEL50]

@@Nemoticon so basically corporate politics prevented a manual for 3 years?

[@macattack123mattc3]

@@Nemoticon If only Toyota had actually made their own car lol... It that's true then that's kinda hilarious. (Of course, if toyota hadn't simply rebadged the z4 then we wouldn't have gotten the supra, most likely, but still, one can dream...)

[@Nemoticon]

@@macattack123mattc3 Why bother? BMW said "we'll manufacture and GIVE you a whole new car, for free, if you let us see under the hood of your new Mirai!" Toyota spend NO MONEY on research development and manufacture to sell a car with their badge on it. This is why Toyota are the least indebted car manufacturers on the planet. Win/win. Plus, the BMW Supra is a fantastic car.

[@Nemoticon]

@@THECOLONEL50 Yes... the route cause of everything in life.

[@christianboyd4635]

I love that interior

[@thomasglover3834]

Awesome vid ❤

[@sinappanis]

Poor Z. Never going to live up to expectations.

[@runner3033]

I get the feeling that the people who complain about the Z aren't the people who are going to buy a Z new off the lot. Nissan knows what they're doing, and who their customer is. What will kill it however, is not being able to get enough of them out, and the consequent dealer mark-ups. I'd buy a Z, but I'm sure as shit not going to get bent over by a dealer.

[@fortheloveofnoise9298]

I was interested, but I prefer NA engines and my vehicle HAS to be a convertible.

[@runner3033]

@@fortheloveofnoise9298 By insisting on those 2 things, you have put yourself into a numerically insignificant customer segment where it doesn't help a company in Nissan's current state to service. Enjoy your 370Z or Miata, I guess...

[@davidpfrey]

$72k sounds like a lot for a Supra, but it's fully loaded. The absolute cheapest Cayman with a 4-cylinder engine starts at $75k. The Cayman GTS4.0 that you actually want starts at $103k and probably lacks a bunch of amenities that are included in the Supra.

[@itcangetbetter]

It's fully loaded, for a Supra. Not only does the Cayman drive better, it's more comfortable inside and actually looks good from the outside. I'll take a better driving, more comfortable, good looking car over the Supra for 3k more.

[@cosmic_gate476]

I think you are mixing Canadian and American pricing

[@davidpfrey]

@@cosmic_gate476 I am looking at Canadian prices. Which price do you take issue with?

[@cosmic_gate476]

@@davidpfrey Ah, didn't know you can get a cayman for that low here in Canada. Though I doubt that's what you will actually pay out the door. Porches only look cheap on paper

[@trizzletv9902]

NOTHING BETTER THAN GETTING OFF WORK TO SEE A(N) (EXTRA)THROTTLE HOUSE VIDEO

[@paulroper4847]

Love the end - thats dark

[@instantkamera]

Cu Later would make sense if it was a copperish colour...

[@markkrivor3911]

"It's the same thing with men" 😂

[@aceofspades6667]

Thomas' huh what response had my cracking up.

[@albrustmeyer753]

Yep my grandma used that word really all the time Houston Texas lol

[@NaciNepo]

I drove it when it come to our dealer but im not sure if it was the first stick supra in GTA so i get a chance to deliver it in Toyota Canada Main and great experience

[@jeffwertz2953]

Color looks like the Miata's Polymetal Gray.

[@Jorge_Magallon]

Is this the best BMW and Toyota currently made?

[@spicysnowman8886]

The m5 cs exists

[@Affalterbach1967]

Would like a historical revelation retrospective of the Opel GT and Ferrari Dino 246 GT (both produced 1968-1973). Try them on for size and then evaluate if z4Supra is still such a claustrophobic-low visibility coupe.

[@basicgunbros4332]

I still love my 22 3.0P AT

[@eb110americana]

I sat in the Supra at an auto show last year, and I was surprised to find it more cramped than a Miata. I cannot believe how claustrophobic that interior is, and I'm not especially averse to cramped cars. I sat in a first gen Lotus Elise when someone brought one Stateside. Yes, it was harder to get in-and-out of, but that felt roomy compared to the Supra.

[@cosmic_gate476]

I guess interior space wasn't part of their "every measurable way" comparison with the Z lmao

[@Battery-Powered]

As you can see from my channel I love the first e85 gen z4 and now supra got the closest since 2004 design, performance.. gearbox . Best BMW since 2003!

[@tovardo]

That ending cracked me up 😂

[@removed1122]

Thomas, I think your M2 would look great in that CU Later colour, but I think I’d prefer a CU Matte finish on your M2’s hood to add some fun contrast! Keep the lol’s coming!

[@cosmic_gate476]

Agree on the first point, but I never saw the appeal on a different colored hood than the body color in cars, just makes it look cheap and tacked on (unless real carbon fiber)

[@Vorael]

I would've guessed that the "Cu" in "Cu Later" is probably a reference to copper, since copper is Cu on the periodic table? Maybe they were going to paint it some cool kinda coppery color but then decided to go with an ugly gray instead, but kept the name.

[@zackkitzmiller]

It is. And it's very coppery. Have you not seen one in person? It's exactly the same paint as BMW's Sparkling Copper Grey, which is copper as fuck.

[@Chif_GT]

I'm done with manual cars. I'm never going to go to a race track, so I don't see a need for one. I drive manual Ford Ranger and this is the last manual for me. Bring the auto

[@user-od1ve4fd5p]

Keep us informed (No one cares about you)

[@metalogic1580]

I... uh.. what? Manuals have been obsolete for racing for a few years now, at least. A good auto is always going to outperform a manual, no matter the driver. That stopped being an argument for manual cars for a while now. Manuals are more fun, engaging, predictable and reliable. But in terms of performance, it's not better at all. If you're tired of the third pedal and just want to drive peacefully now, go ahead. But if your argument is that you don't care about losing in a race (while driving a Ranger...) so you're going auto, that just doesn't make any sense.

[@colincharles9034]

Yes more of this RS3 video?? Is that coming out soon??

[@bobb.7899]

OMG the front license plate ruins it. Got my A91-MT 2 weeks ago and absolutely love it. Getting ppf and window tint today. Thank goodness I don’t have to put front plate where I live. Fortunate to get at MSRP as well. BMW navigation is only thing I don’t like.