2023 NEC Changes GFCI protection 210.8 Big Changes!

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[@ElectricalCodeCoach]

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[@LarsDennert]

The troublesome bit are EVSE units that plug in and you end up with a GFCI behind GFCI and nuisance tripping.

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I’m not even an electrician. I’m an insurance agent. Boy am I glad I watched till the end. Did you just pray for me? Dude… perfect timing. Perfect words. I needed that. I don’t know who you are but…. Faith in humanity restored moment. KEEP BLESSING FOLKS! Amazing ending.

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[@ElectricalCodeCoach]

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[@ElectricalCodeCoach]

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[@VideoByPatrick]

Can u just use gfi breaker to protect kitchen ? Or does code require gfi outlets instead of main panel gfi breaker ? Thanks.

[@mikevictor8390]

Great video and thanks for taking the time to go through the changes. At this point is probably financial better to switch out a breaker with gfci instead of switching individual outlets

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[@ElectricalCodeCoach]

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[@MrKen59]

Hope this isn’t a dumb question - I have a condenser outside that has a 10-2 wire suppling power. GFCI breakers are designed with a neutral tail, so how does this work when you don’t use the neutral. BTW, I agree with you - I think GFCI is a life saver and low cost insurance to save a life.

[@steveurbach3093]

The Breaker ALLOWS multi-wire use. It does not REQUIRE a Neutral load on the LOAD side. You still,, need to connect the White pigtail from the breaker.

[@Sparky-ww5re]

Assuming you're referring to a straight 240V load (Hot-Hot) you'd use a two pole GFCI breaker, leaving the load neutral unused. because a two pole GFCI breaker monitors both hot conductors along with the neutral for leakage current, the breaker is compatible with Hot-Hot & Hot-Hot-Neutral loads. Hope that helps.

[@montemoore3430]

God bless you brother all good information 43 years in the trade still Kickin

[@ElectricalCodeCoach]

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[@bchef4u2p]

Gfi receptacles are great but all to often I've seen after the first year especially in the commercial area. Constant calls for nuisance tripping due improper cleaning techniques and or incompetent workers. Also most owners including but not limited to home owners and commercial business owners don't desire to have a maintenance contract to verify proper operations of electrical equipment. That said I have seen GFI receptacles become loose on the grounded side and or the clamp or screw have the smallest air gap and cause the reset to act like a contactor that is unable to pull in and but keeps trying and with in seconds generate enough heat to start a fire. Gfi receptacles are great but a better design is needed for the constant use and wear by today's society.

[@adamplummer2190]

Is a breaker gfi a better option?

[@aurvaroy6670]

There has been a better design for years now: DFCI breakers. This type of breaker protects all outlets on the circuit, so no need for GFI receptacles. Perfect for receptacles that are not readily accessible.

[@josepheastman8509]

Arc fault or combo might be the answer?

[@richdiddens4059]

Quick question on the aquarium clause. Most aquariums no longer have "conductive supporting frames". They are either glass and plastic or all plastic. Most stands now are wooden. And another question. Until I retired I spent the last 32 years in an industrial setting. Sawmills, mineral ore processing, and 2 decades in waste water treatment. How do GFCI's work with MCC's, soft starts, and VFD's? We had several sump pumps running through VFD's using PID loops to maintain a constant level with variable inflows. The pump is actually running on a 3000-6000 hz carrier frequency usually simulation 30-80 hz.

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[@claudineyesteves]

thanks for sharing your experience. look forwarding in learning from you.

[@jamesnewsom5899]

Is it within Code to protect my outdoor garage outlets from the GFCI protected indoor garage outlets?

[@vince6829]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and for your encouragement

[@dennistreshman1036]

Question on bottle filling stations.In a commercial building,gfci is required.The gfci needs to be accessible correct?And the gfci shall not be covered up by the filling station correct?

[@fayiznalu8411]

Hi Coach, What do you do when the GFCI on a microwave oven in the kitchen or fridge keeps tripping? Please advise. Thank you 🙏

[@ElectricalCodeCoach]

Which one's making a trip the microwave or the refrigerator? Are they new? There are bad batches of appliances in the market that are making GFCI's trip all different brands, all different appliances. They likely have an improper neutral to frame connection but I don't know

[@hippo-potamus]

What they should really change is the statement "The National Electrical Safety Code is a voluntary standard."

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Good job. Thanks

[@ElectricalCodeCoach]

You're welcome, brother!

[@antoniocampuzano2546]

Thnx coach great video keep it coming

[@KrazyKajun602]

What is the true reason that the recepticals were removed for Kitchen islands for 2023 compared to 2020 code?

[@mikieboyblue]

If I am following the HVAC GFCI planned future requirement, we would need to start running x/3 (ex. 10/3) wire for the device to have a neutral for the GFCI breaker. So, question to the electricians and HVAC techs here, if you were to do a new install or were to do a replacement, would you upgrade the branch wire to 10/3 from 10/2 (for example) ahead of time to be ready?

[@mikieboyblue]

Nevermind. Already answered in another comment. GFCI does not require load neutral to properly function.

[@alejandrosoto3470]

Hey coach I was wondering if I could get some feedback on this situation I have going on . My house main breaker is tripping at 60-90 amps . It’s a 125 amp main breaker. Could it be going bad ? One of conductors feels warm to the touch . I check all connections to make sure no arcing was going on everything seems to be fine . Would love your feedback .

[@ElectricalCodeCoach]

Ide contact a qualified licensed electrician, they may get the power company involved.

[@adamplummer2190]

Have you checked you incoming voltage under load (turn on oven)? I've seen one leg being out of wack from the transformer.

[@josepheastman8509]

Could be a loose connection! There if you have a a screw that looks like a Phillips head/flathead on your breaker, then there is a combo bit. Some call it a security bit. Also, often times you can detect a loose connection by listening carefully and you can here a slight buzzing from minor arcing.

[@williamsommerville2623]

Combo arch and gfi 2017 nec

[@TATE-d6z]

Dumb question. Is there a 240 gfci for an electric stove ?

[@Noname1234-p3g]

This is why i no longer. Am a electrician. 35 years. Had enough of this crap . Nec trying to save thier jobs . Because some guy somewhere, sometime did something wrong. House on fire , fire department not looking for a disconnect. Stuip.

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[@timcarver2914]

So new GFCIs are designed to shut off power when they fail self-test. If a freezer or freezer is installed in a Kitchen, even if more than 6 ft from a sink, it now MUST have a GFCI, accessible receptacle or not. So that GFCI is DESIGNED to fail self-test eventually and it WILL then cause possibly very expensive food losses particularly for freezers. This is just thoughtless. Who at NFPA do we bill when we lose $1K in freezer contents? So to defend against this we have to pre-emptively change out GFCIs before they fail?

[@ElectricalCodeCoach]

Great question, Ive put in thousands of afci/GFCI breakers and have had have suffered no loss.

[@timcarver2914]

@@ElectricalCodeCoach Hi coach I was thinking for the refrigerator in kitchen (or freezer in garage/basement), it would be a deadfront self-test gfci (to make it accessible). I don't know if the new gfci breakers do the self-test and automatically shut off power when the self-test fails, but all new gfci outlets and deadfronts do this as it is now a UL requirement. I just don't see how this shutting off power for a self test failure is a good idea for a refrigerator. If the refrigerator is further than 6 feet from a sink and it has an inaccessible outlet, there is no reason to force people to risk their food to a failed self-test. It just does not make sense.

[@aurvaroy6670]

You can use DFCI breakers. They protect all outlets on a circuit, including non readily accessible receptacles. Plus, they last longer than their receptacle counterparts. No need to overthink this.

[@jackrose5133]

Anyone els see the nuisance tripping calls rolling in lol

[@dan9372]

The majority of the fixtures I use on residential buildings are manufactured LED lighting, with out serviceable parts and rated for wet locations (sealed). I think this is becoming a common situation. GFI protection too? It seems to me like some greedy Lobbyist are getting fatter by the minute from this.

[@ElectricalCodeCoach]

Lol