2023 NEC Island Outlet Locations

[@pdavis2207]

Do the regulatory bodies release supporting information when codes change? I would love to hear that included in the video.

[@countertops101]

Gotta love all the regulations. The pop ups have problems over time. Especially if they get a lot of use. Our sister company always hid the outlets behind stiles on the cabinets that flipped open with hinges. Almost every home had waterfalls on the sides where you did not want an outlet so they were hidden. And you definitely want a plug in the cabinet for the kitchen aid mixer.. I think most builders will go with option 3. Stub out the electric wiring box in the cabinets to pass the inspection with no outlets and then let the homeowner add the plug wherever they want with out an inspection after the move in. Got to love how big brother watches out for us. Great video.

[@techups3082]

there will always be idiots mindlessly bitching about regulations. Don't worry. Not everyone has forethought

[@stevenpersinger6577]

Ill go with the future and then after the inspection ill install it on the side

[@donmoore7785]

That is exactly what I am going to do.

[@steveb9487]

How well do they seal? You should see all the stuff that has run down the sides of our pop-up downdraft.

[@CalEnzo-wt4mk]

Thanks for this timely video! Does this mean that installing OPTION 3 w/a junction box that supplies a say...REV-A-SHELF charging drawer with access to GFCI a few receptacles (and USBs) would NOT be acceptable?

[@budmanzoom4441]

The thing that is confusing to me is that 210.52(C)(3) refers to "Required Receptacle Locations" so: 1) There are a specific (minimum) number of Required Receptacles based on the Sq.Ft. of the top 2) It specifies where to put them (250.52(C)(3)(1)), BUT 3) What about the non-required receptacles that can be installed? I believe they can be located on the sides - correct?

[@donmoore7785]

Bingo. And furthermore, the square footage requirements from 2020 are GONE. There are no required outlets!

[@oliverdao5961]

u can install a receptacle on the island as an optional unit..not a required...

[@irmajohnson4953]

If you have an existing old island with side electrical outlets, but now would like to renovate the island..does that mean it all has to be brought to code?

[@HomesBuiltRight]

Depends on where you live. Check with local building official for most accurate answer.

[@petejohnson8785]

Could you locate an outlet in the knee well of the island bar at the usual height off the floor? And then have a flip up grommet hole in the bar overhang above?

[@HomesBuiltRight]

Always check with your local Building official.

[@moki7685]

I remember not getting an occupancy permit about 20 years ago for not having an island outlet

[@WardCo]

So....is a line supply for future outlets REQUIRED? (Option 3)

[@stevekordish4763]

I renovate homes in Tampa Bay area and my inspector on my last flip said "yes" I had to choose either A,B, or option C. I chose "C' because the peninsula consisted of all cabinets with drawers, making a pup up not an option (because of part of the receptacle hanging a good 2 inches into the drawer area). Give your building dept a call and ask to talk to an inspector to make sure. Hope that helps.

[@WardCo]

@@stevekordish4763 Thanks. Yeah, I looked it up, the 2023 book sez receptacle outlets now optional but if you don't put one in "accommodations to add one later must be provided" -- so, wire or raceway depending. 210.52(C)(2)

[@DaveHalderman]

@@WardCo Right. Island/peninsula outlets are no longer required. The code states that the REQUIRED outlets must be installed above or in the counter. I'd argue that the outlet on the side of the island isn't a REQUIRED outlet, so it doesn't fall under those rules. Am I prohibited from installing an optional convenience outlet there? Not sure that the inspector would agree to my reading of the code. I'm building a house soon, so I may just have to go the "future installation" route.

[@WardCo]

@@DaveHalderman I agree with your reading. You could put one on the side of the island as an OPTIONAL outlet -- BUT, as you say, you have to get it by the AHJ -- plus, of course, that position is being discouraged for a reason (kids pulling hot appliances down on themselves).

[@scottodonnell7121]

@@WardCo he would probably say if there's going to be a receptacle on the island, it has to be on top or above.

[@NspectorJeff]

IMO, this Code will be thrown out as an increase in fires and child-involved accidents occur, from the increased use of "Extension Cords"!!

[@chrisdaniel1339]

Nope, people are going to DIY an outlet in the end of a flat island after the final inspection and receiving the certificate of occupancy. Or people can just run extension cords from another part of the kitchen which is more dangerous as it is now a tripping hazard and could pull a hot device full of food off onto a child.

[@davidmatias6239]

What’s your thoughts on a pop up outlets, would that pass code ?

[@HomesBuiltRight]

In kitchens? Sure!

[@tellinustr8up]

So now all the homes that have outlets are now not in code? lol... I'll put my outlets where i want them

[@donmoore7785]

It doesn't prohibit them.

[@Geronimo2Fly]

Stuff gets spilled on islands all the time. What happens when that lemonade spills down into the electrical outlet that they insisted be on top of the island? Plus they’ve ruined the aesthetics of the island countertop, and made a good portion of it unusable as a work area (due to the uneven height and the desire to keep foods and juices away from it). This is absolutely idiotic. Why not say the outlet can be directly under the countertop overhang? Just as accessible with none of the problems.

[@s.n.9485]

I think they're doing away with the side mounted outlets because the cords can easily get caught/tangled and pull the appliance off the island.

[@WardCo]

Yeah, little kids pulling slow cookers onto themselves.

[@stevenpersinger6577]

​@@WardCoraising stupid kids then

[@carlosf9278]

What about plug moldings? A client of mine wants a plug mold below her countertop… it’ll still technically be on the countertop lol

[@ronbonick4265]

I like the new code

[@jaycabezas2544]

Dave loves your content. Keep it up. Thanks

[@eminenceelectric]

This is a stupid code. The NEC board is getting outside there mandate. This is not an electrocution or fire hazard. Cords are always a hazard the nanny state is out of control.

[@gtrob1]

Idk, imagine a kid yanking that cord, full of hot queso on top of themselves. I can see why this was changed. It's good.

[@KrazyKajun602]

So why hasn't the a offcial governing body issue a stop enforcing this for states that are on the 2020 code?

[@NspectorJeff]

Individual States have the right to make modifications for their own States as they deem necessary. Watch for the NAHB to push the States to modify this Code.

[@farrlaterry1365]

Some municipalities that are on the 2020 NEC have put in their ordinances for just this section or the entire 2023 NEC, instead of the state 2020 NEC.

[@echologixxx9758]

Whomever wrote that code was dumb. Perfectly fine on the side.

[@brianfahey2864]

Stupid code. Just below an overhanging counter keeps spills out of the receptacle, the receptacle is convenient, and your countertop integrity remains. Especially when that countertop costs $4,000. The idea that it stops appliances from being pulled off the counter is baloney. The excess cord will probably hang off the side of the counter inviting that tragedy just the same.

[@DonkeyLipsDA3rd]

The 2020 code is just as stupid. They want you to put more than 2 receptacles if the island is really big. I think one or 2 outlets is more than enough.

[@scottodonnell7121]

So now homes will cost more to build. I'm not saying this specifically is causing inflation, but it a symptom and an example. I haven't seen any yet, but you have to believe they are expensive,. Overregulation at it's best.

[@donmoore7785]

Some are $400 or more and none are cheap