2023 Toyota Crown Review | Is This Sedan King Of The Hill?

[@Chris.laughton]

That two-tone paint scheme just makes me think "salvage title that hasn't been painted yet."

[@rxonmymind8362]

Reminds me of a Friday car. Workers were in a rush to leave Friday and three parts together thst they could find.

[@rdm925]

Thanks, Yes they should bring the Estate(wagon) version here and the sedan should be a liftback/5-door. It makes no sense to me to continue to have fastback/sport back sedans with tiny trunk openings instead of liftback/hatchback designs which are more practical and useful. My old 07 Mazda 6i 5-door was very sporty and useful.

[@mark_u]

The Crown Estate also makes much more sense in the US market as Toyota doesn't really have a legitimate midsize two-row crossover. This Crown cross-sedan is a head-scratcher. Would have been ok if they just phased out the Avalon without a replacement.

[@igeekone]

Yes, it will be amazing as a shooting brake wagon.

[@boboutelama5748]

I have a Lexus IS300 sportcross. Best of both world, lots of useability and good power output. Wagons should be pushed more by the makers. They are rather rare on the US market and would be a niche product there. In Europe, it will sell well too. But honestly, the sedan that is more "sedany", that was presented by Toyota is more beautiful.

[@markvicferrer]

21 inch wheels stock sounds crazy. I remember when some aftermarket brands didn't have rims that big.

[@trevorlynn7276]

18 inches used to be an upgrade

[@mikemayers8672]

I test drove the base. Rides nice. Looks impressive in Black. This is excellent for long commute or rode trip.

[@jimbeaulieu220]

Alex, you absolutely produce the best auto reviews.

[@jumbomuffin1316]

Simp

[@prod1192]

Was very interested in buying a crown in a couple of years. After this review not so much.

[@M1911jln]

Bigger on the outside than a Camry, but basically no additional room inside. I don't see the point. I'd just get a Camry Hybrid instead. Alex, I'm with you on the two-tone paint. I'm not a fan.

[@WaheedKhan-mm3pw]

it is bigger on the inside same way the Avalon was to the Camry.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@WaheedKhan-mm3pw but the Avalon has better space packaging. And the trunk in the Avalon is bigger

[@braetonwilson4296]

It's for old people with hip problems who can't tolerate the low seating position of a sedan. Never mind that there are a gazillion crossovers out there designed just for them. Toyota's being stupid.

[@rxonmymind8362]

​@braetonwilson4296 Thus the Toyota Venza was perfect. They stopped making those vehicles thst produced 30k cars a year but kept the triple digit Hydrogen Mirai in production. What are they thinking?

[@tmljony]

The immediate perspective had me wondering if this car was really huge or if Alex was practicing his method acting for "honey I shrunk the youtuber".

[@wabdinur]

7:10 - There goes my interest for this vehicle (I'm 6'5" and I don't have a problem fitting in my 20 camry se upgrade). Thanks for the heads-up, Alex.

[@GaHeezyy]

Oh man, I was so in on this car until then (I’m 6’4)

[@geremymincey9811]

I agree with Brian. Soooo sharp!!! 62 year old grandma is looking into owning one in the red and black soon.

[@artieartya]

It reminds me of those days I would see someone driving a crappy car and they needed to replace the bumper or the hood or the trunk and it’s a different color because they got pieces from a junkyard.

[@ragweedmakesmesneeze]

If you want/need a chunky AWD sedan, I suggest checking out Subaru's Legacy. Huge trunk, more robust AWD and BETTER gas mileage (despite not being a hybrid) at 35mpg on the highway. Not sure why it's never included in these kinds of comparisons.

[@CrazyWeeMonkey]

The normal Hybrid crown gets like 40mpg combined, the Hybrid Max is more powerful and (therefore) less efficient.

[@FanRailer]

That jab at Brian was amusing lol

[@Elricky124]

That was nice left jab! Let’s see if he can do a combo.

[@valeja2002]

Unfair, Brian has no option to retaliate, 😔

[@peterjordan2738]

I agree that the 2 tone is a no-go...for me. Overall, I think Toyota missed the boat on this vehicle. I agree with other comments regarding Camry Hybrid being the way to go. The new design should be in 2024 model. I will wait.

[@TXL-BER]

After seeing Alex‘s good review, I think I’d go for the loaded Camry hybrid if I wanted to save money. On the other hand, if I wanted to spend the same amount of money I’d have to spend for this Crown, I would just go for the ES hybrid.

[@naveenthemachine]

I’d go Camry v6 XSE without hesitation The Camry is the benchmark for me

[@peterjordan2738]

I agree 100%with you Berlin.

[@marcusbrutus1999]

I wish Toyota made the V6 Camry with AWD or at least limited slip diff as an option. Otherwise, I prefer the ES or Camry than this jelly mold!

[@clashwithneo]

Why get a loaded one when you can get a base model for less?

[@TXL-BER]

@@clashwithneo True, there’s that. It’s not most important, but I like ventilated seats if I can get them.

[@pjwaszko55]

I got a 2024 Crown. Everyone who sees it loves it.

[@gleanerman2195]

Same here, these idiots that don't are just haters and jealous.

[@Richey24]

I don't even want this car, I just wanna hear Alex review it lmao.

[@JamesR1986]

If I am hearing this correctly the Crown is taller then the Camry, but with internal less space and it is a full hybrid with the MPGs of an ICE sedan from five years ago

[@mark_u]

This vehicle didn't have to exist 🙃

[@markmiller3279]

The gas mileage isn't bad. Not many conventional ICE cars of this size were getting 30 mpg combined. Anyone wanting real efficiency should get the base hybrid with its 40 mpg. Seven seconds 0-60 is quite adequate for normal driving.

[@briancoleman971]

This is for people who want a Toyota but don’t want to say they drive a Camry. No reason to make this. Will sell initially to the Toyota loyalists, then languish on the lot or be heavily discounted. My larger crossover gets 32 mpg hwy and 0-60 in 5.9 seconds. I don’t see the point of the more powerful hybrid as the geriatrics that buy this will not care.

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

Yep, it's garbage.

[@kHoPhAe]

@@mark_u Exactly!!!!

[@braetonwilson4296]

2023 Toyota Crown Platinum costs 53-54k. Add dealer markup, dealer fees, taxes etc. and the out the door price could easily be 70 thousand dollars! I would much rather buy a Lexus for that kind of money! Toyota has lost their mind!

[@lolotus4borderless]

I agree 100% another Toyota that doesn't fit any significant demographic in the current economic situation...

[@randominternet5586]

Insane pricing! I’d do a tesla at that price maybe but all too high. 40k max reasonable price for me

[@jermainec2462]

Where did you get this pricing information from?

[@joelrodriguez7038]

That’s exactly what I say for that money I buy easy a Lexus suv Toyota is like 🥳

[@panzer_TZ]

The lower trims aren't bad, but for the price of the lower trims I would have to see this side by side with the 2023 Venza. For 2023, the Venza Limited is getting upgrades that should put it on par with the Crown with the advantage of it being an actual CUV. Of course, this is all moot if Toyota can't build enough of these and they are going to be marked up to death of which I refuse to pay.

[@manah56]

The Crown should be a large RWD sedan. As someone else already mentioned, this vehicle is a Clown and not a Crown.

[@naveenthemachine]

The crown is more Toyota CourtJester.

[@MrZombiedude567]

Wow 52K for a Toyota sedan, this will be the first and last model year for the crown!!!

[@naveenthemachine]

Agreed. Rip crown before it even hits dealerships

[@djplonghead5403]

It’s popular in Japan so it will still exist… just not in the U.S. This is the 16th gen for Japan. All models are popular and have had awesome things done with them.

[@manthony225]

My biggest problem with the styling is that, from some angels, it looks like a lifted Corolla- particularly from the front.

[@GuitarGolfingPOPS]

Great review..thanks! Got the call from my local Toyota dealer Tuesday. They’ve been allocated one Limited w Technology Package that will arrive in 3 weeks! Said it’s mine if I want it….I want it! 66 year old w bad knees that have always had Avalons. Think (hope) this will be a perfect fit, and it might be the last car I’ll ever have to buy..if that didn’t sound too morbid!😂

[@gleanerman2195]

You will love it.

[@glennbayard]

Absoutley the BEST automotive reviewer on YTube, and I listen to many!! You impart mechanical, aesthetics, comparative, economic & performance perameters to make well informed decisions, thank you Alex!

[@gleanerman2195]

The two tone is the best looking to me, we got the gray and black Platinum, we absolutely love it.

[@OtterVonBiscuit]

Seeing the combined horsepower numbers got me excited thinking this might be a nice replacement sport sedan for me to like over the stinger or the charger, but there's just too many design decisions that turn me off, mainly their lack of headroom, lack of trunk space and the very oddly designed foot wells. The wheel size is a bit of a turn off also, but not a deal breaker.

[@IQscan51]

You're more forgiving than me because the design is atrocious, IMHO.

[@tonypi4322]

Alex: to answer your ? about the two-tone styling: Cool as hell!

[@gleanerman2195]

I see you get it too.

[@jimpease280]

I like the Venza. Trunked CUV doesn't cut it.

[@TheShootersBay]

I'd rather have a fully loaded Camry over this.

[@naveenthemachine]

Me too. With the v6 in XSE w red interior and a proper execution of a two tone roof

[@rxonmymind8362]

Most agree with you. Even my wife like the new Camry.

[@gleanerman2195]

The Camry doesn't even come close to the Crown.

[@mars353]

So the additional ground clearance is just to lift the seats off the ground a little more but doesn’t give SUV chair-like seating? Maybe the lift is also intended to make the car look more imposing like a Challenger/Charger. My wife’s two second reaction was that it looked too racy, especially in the two tone and she turned her nose up at it. The two tone paint wasn’t my cup of tea until she said that so now I’m reconsidering it.😂

[@MeanNGreen17]

Car is a solution looking for a problem. Toyota dropped the ball on this one.

[@michaelglowa]

In future videos, can you include headroom and shoulder space comparisons? Similar to the dimension comparison of the back seat.

[@mavsguy842]

Toyota has a history of showing they don't understand what it's like to be tall. Look how many of their vehicles lack height adjustment on the passenger seat.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Toyota New Jockey Architecture strikes again.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@rightlanehog3151 the Camry seems to be the least affected by the TNGA platform Because the 2017 Camry had 38.9 inches of rear legroom. And 38 inches of rear headroom. As for the trunk, it had 15.4 cubic feet of space The 2018 Camry has 38 inches of rear legroom and the same 38 inches of rear headroom. As for the trunk, 15.1 cubic feet space.

[@naveenthemachine]

Also not every vehicle. The Camry Avalon RAV4 now highlander and venza offer height adjustment to the passenger seat

[@rxonmymind8362]

​@@naveenthemachineNot in the 2021 Venza. I always hit my head getting in.

[@percivalgooglyeyes6178]

I don't get it. The Avalon was positioned nicely between a Camry and a Lexus. I really don't see why anyone would buy this instead of either a Camry or a Lexus. Perhaps Toyota wants to take some sales from mid-size American models? But those buyer's still aren't wanting a Toyota.

[@PeanutsandPopcorn]

I’m eager to see how this sells. The color scheme is absolutely hideous to me, but I’m sure they’ll have more mundane choices available as well. I do like the interior and the slightly raised searing height.

[@mikemayers8672]

Wait list at are long It will not be mass produced like Camry either

[@torch2nine]

I love the two tone

[@zahf6484]

Interior is very underwhelming. Exterior has bold design and colors but does not match the personality of what the car is meant to be at all. It’s a big heavy body but not at all any more useful than any other sedan. Plus it’s expensive. So many other better options in the market over this in my opinion.

[@johnfranklin5277]

A 50.000 dollar car with a PROP ROD? MY 29.000 dollar KIA K5 GT LINE has hood struts ! No Hud...a panoramic sunroof that doesn't open on the cheaper version, its still 43 grand....come on Toyota that's ridiculous. My panoramic sunroof opens!

[@djplonghead5403]

The money went in quality and powertrain. Toyota has never had the best “2 year value,” they have the best “20 year value.” The car care nut reviewed the sedan and the new signia. He says, at least for the Signia, it is one of the best Toyotas he has seen in terms of quality.

[@tbone9405]

I miss my Cressida…..Thank you Alex for a great review as always.🎃

[@59seank]

I loved my Cressida too.

[@jamesemanner9671]

Ditto on the Cressida. We loved ours, EXCEPT for the automatic seat belts. One could not even ascertain the engine was running at idle. Definitely not so for current vehicles.

[@MyMeade12]

All this "new" Crown accomplishes is to push me even more into the CUV / SUV market ! Sad to hear the Avalon is gone.

[@naveenthemachine]

Why not get a Camry or the remaining Avalon’s ?

[@Elricky124]

2022 Avalon? Any new ones around?

[@MyMeade12]

@@naveenthemachine Recent Avalon's are really hard to find here in Quebec, but yes that would be a great solution.

[@KoreanBeautyOwner]

Because nobody buys Avalon

[@troytruong8246]

Alex deserves over 1mil subs!!!!!

[@lazziebardakos2956]

I don't think anyone buying one of these is buying it for the exhaust note. I quite like it but not in a two tone. Agree would have preferred a hatch. Great review Alex 👍

[@BillWestHobby]

I like the Bi Tone color, something new. The performance model is the bomb

[@meh-87]

Another no-go Toyota for this tall guy. Don't know how it can be so big and I still won't fit. Also disappointing how it has all the horsepower and torque yet is not very fast.

[@DearSX]

Fun fact: Corona, Cressida Camry and Corona are all types of crowns.

[@TheCOZ]

Both the Corona and the Corona? 😉

[@markmiller3279]

I think you mean Corolla, and it's not really a crown. As for Camry, the Japanese word for a type of crown is quite different.

[@venom999333]

Yup you are right Alex. Brian is completely blind 😉💯

[@EdvinGusinac]

This is not a full size sedan. Toyota marketing can call it one, but it isn’t.

[@naveenthemachine]

You hear that Toyota? We’re not stupid. We can see right through your absolutely pathetic marketing 😂. You’re not fooling anyone but yourself

[@marcusbrutus1999]

Well, Toyota buggered up the Prius with its wierdo design, then the Avalon, and now this. I think their designers must be on some illegal drugs. Reminds me of what Euro Ford did to the Scorpio. Good report from Alex, he is one of the best on KZbin IMHO.

[@hyrenaj2888]

Looks like a proof of concept... the lifted seats suggest space below for a battery

[@ken12269]

My dentist said I needed a crown. I was like, “I know, right?”

[@rightlanehog3151]

Alex, You are certainly not 'silly', the sleek yet practical Estate model at 0:34 is far and away the crowning achievement of Toyota's new flagship line.🤩 It is not too late to bring it over to give the Outback some overdue competition. Let's hope the Clown®Toyota is trying to force-feed us does not sink the future prospects of this newly relaunched nameplate across North America. To be balanced, I will give them credit for the seat height being raised to a comfortable level and the mpg of the base, AWD Hybrid is impressive. The option for 340 hp on Regular gas in a Toyota sedan is quite a jolt. As is seemingly the case with every TNGA model, the lack of front 7:13 and rear 7:41 headroom seriously UNDERMINES measurable progress in so many other areas. Nearly 20 years after its introduction, the lemming-like mimicking 😵of the sloping CLS roof line 2:57 continues to blight sedan practicality.

[@garrettw99]

“I’ll give them credit for the seat height being raised to a comfortable level” High praise 😂

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@garrettw99 If only they had raised the headliner height with it. BTW I also credit them for the mpg on the base model.

[@texastropics]

Personally I love the two tone paint, but it was a big miss not offering the liftback/hatchback to increase the practicality with no impact to the looks. I'm still kind of confused why people buy these raised sedan/CUV things when you could get a proper 2 box design and gain a ton of useful space. Or on the flip side just get a regular sedan that will drive a whole lot better.

[@gleanerman2195]

It's beautiful in the gray and black.

[@1spartacus1337]

Can’t believe they got rid of the Avalon for this sheet

[@Ride_Runner]

I just saw one on the road. It looks worse in person.

[@gleanerman2195]

Because this car smokes it in every way, it's a beauty.

[@yuhengwang2185]

After seeing the crown in japan in person, i think it look so much better in person. I wouldnt call it very pretty but still quite cool.

[@lambodp]

I assumed the Avalon was going to just end and nothing was going to replace it. The Crown just isn't a good value for a lot of people - the Lexus ES hybrid just seems like the better choice for branding, luxury, and the same drivetrain as the base Crown for similar money. The SUV/crossover variant would have been a much better fit for the US market, but I'm sure I'll see a handful of these around (just like I see a few Avalons here and there) for those that want a sedan instead. Also, the 2 tone paint is just hideous - I'm sure someone will like it, but not me.

[@naveenthemachine]

I’d rather get a Camry hybrid XLE or XSE. Similar space but better mpg and it’s faster and more luxurious than the crown and has more tech

[@lambodp]

@@naveenthemachine Couldn't agree more. The Crown just doesn't make a lot of sense in the US when we have very similar (and better in many ways) options to choose from, like the Camry hybrids you mentioned, the Lexus ES hybrid if you want a bit more luxury, etc. Heck, for near $60k, that's luxury car territory.

[@markmiller3279]

The Crown is a name that means something in Japan. I suspect they'll be happy with some US sales, but we are just a secondary market for it.

[@guilmon999]

12k price premium over the Camry hybrid just for a slightly taller car and AWD. Yeesh. Wish Toyota brought the wagon version cause it would differentiate itself from the Camry.

[@djplonghead5403]

I wish it was wider- the body and tires. Also, those B pillars are MASSIVE.

[@charleskesner1302]

I'm with you on the two-tone paint job.

[@gregkramer5588]

I like the HVAC controls. :-) The rest seems to appeal to a very small group of people.

[@1spartacus1337]

Why even make this? If they got rid of the Avalon due to people moving away from sedans; why bring in a more costly, sedan that’s smaller than the Avalon.

[@djplonghead5403]

Because they had it in Japan and it was easy to bring it to America.

[@JuanVega-ns5ok]

No worries. You won’t be able to find these in stock at a dealership either. Some bullshit story about shortages designed to keep prices at all time highs. I’ll be holding on to my ‘09 Camry a while longer.

[@solarenergynow08]

great vid. Skeptical about meaningful sales of this car...

[@joannbarna8235]

I like the two tone design

[@BillSklodowski]

Like you said early on... wish they had brought the SUV version! Thumbs up to the powertrain options (I'd go for the turbo, natch.) Was slightly interested in the bigger-sedan idea ... I've been an SUV fan for a while, and I think I'm gonna stay that way. With the same interior room as a Camry... not really interested. And that moonroof! Yuck. Thanks for the great (as usual) review.

[@realbeetlejuice]

all that power for 5.7s 0-60?

[@rkgsd]

Turns out the Platinum trim level IS available without the hideous 2-tone paint.

[@oldsnwbrdr]

Not going to lie. The lack of driver headroom might be a problem for me. I’m only 6’1” and my hair brushes the ceiling in many Lexus products.

[@BillyBobDingledorf]

Who is their target audience? I predict high discounts and low sales. Want a nicer sedan than a Camry, buy a Lexus. Want more room than a Camry, um this car doesn't do that.

[@naveenthemachine]

I think the Camry is a proper flagship sedan than this joke

[@fighter835]

I think it looks gorgeous, finally something fun from Toyota.

[@Jeffotos]

Why would Toyota change the Landcruiser SUV into a Lexus and bring the Crown sedan, competing with the Camry - instead of just making it a Lexus instead?

[@LarcR]

Nice, but I'll stick with Camry.

[@GeorgeKnighton]

I do not understand what they were thinking.

[@lukepranger1145]

It’s an odd car. Half sedan, half SUV. It’s kind of a niche product that I don’t will sell that well. Sort of a new version of the Honda Accord Crosstour.

[@rxonmymind8362]

Perfect assessment. Might add the Cross tour is more practical.

[@Luma_29]

Really wish it didn’t have that Toyota logo on it. This is quite literally the exact same price range as an ES

[@naveenthemachine]

But the crown has better tech

[@ramrod890]

I think the two tone looks great 👌🏻

[@videogazer801]

Alex - your friend is blink af! That was funny as hell when you said that. Lmao

[@garyclark6747]

So a eco city machine that’s a little on the noisy side while burning fuel makes this as appealing as the two-tone color scheme. 🎯

[@xllearner]

I do not like the two-color scheme. 21-inch tires will have very narrow sidewalls. Which means more tire problems and suspension damage.

[@JR-mc1rn]

Bigger car, smaller trunk, no more ground clearance, less headroom. Why? Another swing and a miss from Toyota..

[@naveenthemachine]

Glad you’re disappointed. You just helped justify my original comment

[@djplonghead5403]

It actually has a good amount more ground clearance than an Avalon.

[@earlpainter2143]

So, the idea is to show the world you are driving a rugged, almost off-road vehicle with practical cargo room while still driving a sedan.

[@alanhorn8253]

The two tone paint scheme will look great on the police version

[@primemoverRR]

Looks like you're driving on Highway 431 in Franklin? You visited during some really nice weather, Alex! I live a little northwest of Nashville. Great video again, even though I'm not interested at all in a Toyota Crown, or any Toyota product, really. The Crown just seems like it's a lot of compromises, and that two-tone paint is just jarring!

[@mumenrider862]

Man, I wanted to get this but Toyota screwed the pooch for us taller drivers it seems.

[@serhiidrashpul8172]

what a nice landscapes, where Alex is filming his videos?

[@tommymas1]

55K and no usable sunroof? Crazy.

[@Inspector694]

What was toyota thinking when they made this car. It will never sell its hideous.

[@randominternet5586]

Make it a hatchback / wagon and you'd have something competitive. For the price - not sure this works otherwise?

[@janoycresnova9156]

This really should have been a lift back. Overall a very strange vehicle that no one asked for. Probably will be a flop

[@gbgary]

the "anything but another crossover" people were screaming for it.

[@battlefield3112011]

This reminded me of the Accord Crosstour. Same-ish design.

[@MertMuftugil]

I will wait for the official numbers but a little disappointed at the louder than expected cabin noise.

[@verlaryder]

Really good driving review.

[@nathanu8821]

There is no power adjusting steering wheel? Big surprise for a Crown. I am also surprised that the Crown doesn't have a Crown badge!

[@forumboss2620]

I own 2 Toyotas, so I’m not a hater. But I can say that Toyota/Lexus needs to fire all of the stylists. The front ends are awful, just horrible. The rear quarter panels are bad too. In addition they need to hire new dashboard designers. The controls on my 2003 Camry are just fine. I recently rented a 2022 Camry and I hated all the controls and weird dash design. I hated the way the center column was laid out. Also the 20” and 21” wheels are just stupid! Worse ride and higher priced tires.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Before Toyota could fire their stylists they would need to hire some.

[@paulbitgood2117]

Clearly not a car for road trips. No space for driver and passenger to adjust seating. And why is the center console so wide, reduces passenger area, especially for us larger people.

[@kHoPhAe]

For every review I read or listen to, I feel like Toyota failed with this product. I personally don't like any thing about this. It just looks like a bigger Corolla in the front, not revolutionary at all.

[@Levonuz]

When I look at the two-tone Crown's back, I see Lucid's back and expect it opens in the same manner to give access to the wide cavernous trunk, but when Alex opened it, I started giggling. It seems like a missed opportunity for Toyota.

[@billbrimmer7047]

That grill is polarizing and I’m a loyal Toyota/Lexus fan. The two paint job doesn’t work for me. Currently driving a GS and will stick with the ES unless Camry possibly comes up with something special with the next redesign..

[@rightlanehog3151]

I suggest you keep that GS as long as you can. Unless they bring over the good looking Crown sedan, there is no indication Lexus or Toyota will offer a design to match your GS any time soon.

[@billbrimmer7047]

@@rightlanehog3151 Thanks for the feedback. It is as smooth as silk. Happy New Year.

[@nodak81]

I hate the trunk opening. It's just like the one in the Camry, essentially a horizontal hole with almost zero vertical aspect to the opening. Makes it difficult to load things and even more difficult to reach into the rear of the trunk. It's a shame because I like the rest of the car, although I do hate the two-tone paint job. I'd go monotone too.

[@_CarlosA]

I would wait a few years to see the reliability of this new Toyota hybrid system. Historically, Toyota hybrids have been the standard in the industry. I would stick with vehicles with the 'old' hybrid system for now.

[@markmiller3279]

True, though the parts this new hybrid system are made from are nothing new and are basically reliable. It's just some basic Toyota parts combined in a different way.

[@brandonmorgan1696]

I know its not sold anymore in the US, but the Lacrosse when it was released was a much better large car than his thing in 2022. And probably still is.