2023 Toyota GR86 Review - The car the GT86 should have been

[@Trenrel123]

While the GT86 might have been a failure in Europe, it was a massive hit here in Australia and you will see these things literally everywhere. In fact, I think per-capita we bought more of these things than any other country outside of Japan. It wasn't the quickest, but that also made it very accessible to younger drivers who normally aren't allowed to drive high-powered vehicles. Fantastic review by the way, I currently have a BRZ on order and the wait has been killing me.

[@denzilthurton7807]

I think they were quite a bit cheaper in aus the gr 86 also works out at roughly £23k with the exchange rate £7k less than here

[@grease6314]

Well for this model anyway, they're sold out in most of Europe

[@bosshogg690]

I have a BRZ coming in March never liked the turd old gen 2.0 milk engine ricer stock tail lights etc, much rather a ND mx5 over GT86.... new one is miles better than both

[@The_Noticer.]

It got taxed to death in the Netherlands. 67K MSRP euro. yeah...

[@hiphopcommunity4203]

It's pretty expensive in Europe 🇪🇺 😕

[@franciscocabrerabrito5945]

Here in Spain is offered with a Circuit Pack and includes 6 pot AP racing brakes in the front and sport cup 2 tyres. People haven't realised yet, but is the closest you can get to an E30 M3 in a new car. For those who are looking for that same driving experience is a dream.

[@realAlexChoi]

The GT86 was actually quite successful in the US/Canada market, they're one of the default sports cars of choice for anyone between the ages of 16-20 and you can pick them up for peanuts. They're also apparently quite popular in Australasia and Japan, so that's what probably influenced Toyota's decision to make a second generation, and their decision to pull it out of the EU market post 2025.

[@plektosgaming]

The only problem was that the similarly priced Ford Mustang simply beat the GT86 in just about every measure. It was between it and my Mustang and the number of small compromises (smaller seat and trunk, rear visibility, slightly slower, slightly worse handling, etc.) and, honestly, inflated price (Toyota tax) meant that it simply wasn't going to work as well. Nor be as fast. 90% of an Ecoboost Mustang for slightly more money?? The market gobbled up the Mustang as expected. What this needs is a turbo to boost it to compete with the hot hatches and small track-focused cars. Or the next gen Mustang in 2024 is going to eat its lunch again. Yes, there is is 1 year gap between releases (OK, 7 months from now), but Toyota is feeling like it's TOO conservative and the guy who shows up after the party is mostly over. Like it or not, the Toyota IS the closest competitor now to it with the Camaro being phased out, and it'll be cross-shopped. Toyota fixed almost all of the minor issues in the GR86, but the big one remains... The GT needs a turbo. "T" in the name also practically begs for it. It simply can't compete with the competition as-is.

[@Not-a-bot222]

@@plektosgaming I disagree. I sold my 2019 Mustang GT for a 2023 GR86 PMT. The people that want lightweight sports cars want lightweight sports cars. Horsepower and torque is great but it will never handle like the GR86. A GT car is a GT car and sports car is a sports car. I have 2000 miles on my 86 and it’s been amazing, the only downside was exhaust note. The Mustang DESTROYS it in that category.

[@Dreznin]

@@plektosgaming As the other reply has highlighted, the GR86/BRZ twins were never meant to be straight line fast and are built around their handling characteristics. The EcoBoost Mustang is a great car for the money, I nearly bought one in 2017 to have as a daily driver, but it's a different audience. The GR86 competes in the same space as the MX-5, which is more expensive, and most reviews that have compared the two have been favoring the GR86 for any buyer that doesn't care if their car is a convertible or not. These are presently very desirable with months-long wait lists, meanwhile you can pick up an EcoBoost at many Ford dealers today - the dealer where I bought my Fusion from has four 2022s still left in stock right now.

[@vargasaidan7366]

@@plektosgaming nah mustang is too heavy. there is a reason the 86 is almost 1000 pounds lighter. it is a very good one. those 1000 pounds make a HUGE difference in handling.

[@plektosgaming]

@@vargasaidan7366 700 lbs. But the suspension is dated and Toyota put too many compromises in the chassis, IMO. I test-drove both and they are near clones of each other in how they actually handle and drive. Except the Mustang is better inside, easier to mod, faster on a freeway onramp, and less money. It was really me deciding between both and Totoya once again brought its B+ "game" to the match. Like The U.S. in the World Cup. They simply get beat by better teams and never have won it. Could they? Sure. If it was a priority. But Toyota is more into professional racing and making EV/Hybrids from what I can tell, than an actual sports car.

[@slothpatronus2704]

I saw my first GR86 on the road yesterday and I have to say it looks great in person.

[@brrrrr9999]

Awesome seeing practical car reviews here too. The GR86 looks like such a fun daily.

[@aidarsays]

Oh man.. daily couple, really

[@tangerinedream8987]

Id prefer more of a wagon for a daily.

[@mrb6094]

I had an 86, it was absolutely brilliant. Reliable and fun.

[@86Nick]

Had mine for just over a month, still loving it. Have had much faster cars over the years but this is far more fun, and the fact it feels like it’s going much faster than you really are is a definite plus point. No rattles from mine, sounds like there’s a fault on that one, although a few minutes altering the equaliser and sound settings makes a big difference. Yes, it’s not perfect, but for the price, it’s pretty amazing what you’re getting.

[@3ducs]

Slow car fast is more fun than fast car slow.

[@sgtmuffinbadger6147]

Driven it for some time now and realize it was a waste of money was my realization

[@KN-jw7ts]

What do u mean?

[@rich8rd88]

this is exactly what i feel, this thing driving at 50km/h feels faster than driving in my tesla at 100

[@aPollo12682]

just got mine yesterday, loving it so far

[@CommanderRion]

I am happy to be one of the few people who managed to snatch one here in Germany. Currently only 350 cars have been delivered of the estimated 490 alotment for 2022. New orders for 2023 are not even on the table yet and deliveries might just take until 2024. Overall less than 1000 Units are planned for Germany at all, making this car probably rarer than some true exotics on german roads. Its sapphire blue, which is an absolutely breathtaking color scheme. Extremely usable and daily driver friendly but also fun when you want it. The perfect car for me.

[@eugenux]

we don't even get them in my country.. and, unfortunately, I cannot afford the added markup that private dealers ask for them in Germany, where it sits between 40 and 44k. I would have afforded a lease on one at the asking price(which was 34-36k, if I remember correctly) but, I cannot do full upfront money, not the 6 to 10k markup. What I don't understand is why such limited quantities for Europe?, do all manufacturers think we only want hot hatches? (which in fact, are dissapearing as well)

[@baronvonjo1929]

@@eugenux I assumed it was regulations with emissions. And then issues at the plant in Japan where they were produced. I'm not really sure.

[@Dragon228833]

Had mine since July. Kinda uncomfortable at high speed here on garbage New York highways but it’s a blast to drive. Don’t regret it one bit

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

dont do the stupid thing to put it in storage and leave it there for some money 30 years later. drive the wheels off of it!

[@enekoprins]

@@eugenux My dealer also gave emissions as the main reason. This car has very high emisions for 2023 standards (200gr CO2/km). For every GR86 they sell, Toyota needs to sell many low emission cars. I have also heard a lot what is explained in this video, the new Euro NCAP safety regulations that will come out in 2024. This car will just not comply and hence cannot be sold after 2024.

[@MukiMuki688]

By far my favorite new car. It's a throwback to those light Japanese sportsters of the 1990s. Hope Toyota keeps it going with multiple generations.

[@67tomcat]

Absolutely agree with you! My favorite new car as well.

[@Mr-pn2eh]

In other words. Initial D

[@demcomp]

IT'S A SUBARU! Omg... the GR86 is a Subaru BRZ and it started life as a SCION FRS.. WHICH IS STILL A SUBARU!

[@pmayo7894]

@@demcomp - and which Subaru initially didn't want to get involved in until Toyota bought shares of Fuji Heavy Industries, essentially strongarming the the former to the project.

[@demcomp]

@@pmayo7894 20% is not a control stake. Incidentally Toyota is also the major shareholder of Mazda too..

[@chuntohk]

I’ve had mine for a month now. I use it as a daily, and I love how practical it is despite the fun. I also notice the rattle issues of the speakers when driving over bumps. You don’t need to play anything for it to rattle. But apart from that, it drives very nicely with a firm punch when you press on the throttle. I’m very happy with my choice

[@PaladinJenkis]

This review is spot on, no fuzz, no endless intros and annoying sponsor block. Straight to the point and very informative! You've eraned another sub! Keep it up mate

[@dominicrusho]

I’m surprised James seems so negative about the GT86 here, as his previous videos didn’t give off that impression….regardless, I’ve owned my 2019 GT86 for a few years now and it’s utterly delightful. I’ve never felt like it needed more power, and the rear seats are perfect for bringing my pup along on road trips. Its ride also seems to be much more comfortable than the GR86, based on what I’ve read. Considering that the GR86 is basically an unobtainable curio in the UK, a nice used GT86 seems like phenomenal value for money

[@beboptopcat7686]

The GR has some obvious improvements over the GT but it still feels a bit 'lazy journalism' when you hear the reviewers echo the "FA20 lazy rubbish engine" mantra when they review the GR. I love the reliability of the FA20 (220k km on regular maintenance) and the fact that it is safe to drive on the limits even in the pouring rain (225/R18 PS4). Add in fuel economy and it still surprises me everyday how awesome and well balanced the GT actually is. I wish could afford or buy the GR in the future but would have a serious hard time letting go of my GT.

[@Ryanr75rc]

I do love my GT86 as I’ve wanted one for over 10 years. Going to love seeing this platform develop.

[@MrManBuzz]

I think one of the reasons why the GT86 didn't do so great was it wasn't actually all that affordable in many markets. In Ireland for example, a new one is well north of €40K. And at that price, it just doesn't make sense to buy one with the amount of other cars you could buy with that sort of money.

[@andycalifornia426]

Name a few that are a sports car, not a hot hatch for people with children.

[@MrManBuzz]

@@andycalifornia426 You can buy any number of brilliant cars for €40k. Obviously not new, but 40k will still get you most of the legendary 90s JDM cars, BMW M cars etc.

[@stephenalgee5291]

Great review. I just bought a BRZ in WRB manual transmission. When I test drove it I was instantly sold. Just brilliant! I was very lucky to get this car as the wait is now about 6 months for another here in Nova Scotia.

[@markkendall6854]

Fantastic review!!! As an R35 GT-R owner you nailed it EXACTLY regarding the purpose of a 2nd car. Enjoyable at legal speeds, light & nimble, remind me of the S1 Elise I had back in 1999. I managed to order a GR86 in Electric Blue just 7mins after the order books opened, car was delivered just before Xmas and is currently being carefully run in (1st 1000miles). Wasn’t sure I was going to keep it to be honest, but it’s a keeper now. Special (affordable for many) car, of a dying breed unfortunately…

[@Joshold]

Where do you learn about the break in period for the gr86?

[@markkendall6854]

@@Joshold common knowledge on the GR ZOO forum, keep below 4K rpm, don’t Labour the engine or keep at a constant speed for too long…

[@mechanics718]

@@Joshold It's also in the owner's manual

[@mechanics718]

Agreed, I have a GR86 and a Porsche 718 GTS 4.0, the GR86 offers a lot of thrills while being very usable as a daily driver. Delete fake engine noise and add a nice sounding exhaust adds to the experience.

[@Dreznin]

@@mechanics718 I highly debated jumping on a 718 Cayman S before finally getting a chance to drive one of these... the 718 is an amazing car, but I ultimately decided to save the money for now and went with the GR86. It really does feel like the Porsche's baby brother.

[@Consoul909]

I'm the bloke in SoCal with one of these who emailed you. I've only got a little over 1100 miles, but I think that rattle was unique to the car as well. The stock stereo system is a bit rubbish, but I've had it loud and never heard any rattling on mine. Thanks for the great review :)

[@WBizarre]

Poor UK sales must have been an outlier. In the US roughly 120,000 first-gen BRZ/FRS/86 were sold. I certainly saw a lot of them running around. It was clearly successful enough to warrant a second generation, even if not a runaway success.

[@robsmall6466]

I'm not sure on the poor UK sales excuse. The GT86 is a common sight on UK roads. Less so the BRZ from Subaru

[@N1ckZ]

Well, obviously. Americans love Japanese cars way, WAY more than europeans.

[@robsmall6466]

@@N1ckZ Not really. Japanese cars ( especially anything interesting like coupes and hot hatches ) are very popular in the UK

[@N1ckZ]

@@robsmall6466 such as?

[@robsmall6466]

@@N1ckZ Everything from multiple generations of Impreza, Celica, MR2, Lancer, Supra, GTR ( inc previous Skyline ), MX5, Type R, RX7, RX8...... can give more examples. Japanese cars in general are always popular because of perceived reliability and value. Nissan builds the Qashqai here. Toyota has an engine plant. Not that long ago the Civic and Type R were built here as well. Japanese manufacturers have been caught by the S Koreans and also value manufacturers from Dacia and MG have taken lower end market share

[@RadekPogoda]

1,6 mm lower - that's a true change everyone was waiting for :D

[@ieatlotsoftoast]

I love my gt86 it maybe a bit slow but it keeps up with most in the twistys. 35 mpg and £300 fully comp it's also cheap to run

[@80six30]

Thanks for your review as always, it’s one of the best channels on KZbin. I have actually just purchased a GR86 here in Australia 10 days ago and having the time of my life. Admittedly concerned after selling my FK8 CTR , I’m having no regrets and loving rear wheel drive after owning hot hatches for the last 10 years . 👍

[@eugenux]

how to say it nicely. hot hatches are great...multipurpose, dependant...but, you know what, at the end of the day, they are uber-fast fwd vehicles, based on normal cars/platforms; something like this is purposefully designed to be a sports car - bespoke platform/chassis, engine, etc; this is not a ch-r with a different body, it is its own thing and I really like that(not to mention the delicacy of an N/A engine, which I rediscover after years and years of turbo cars); I do hope to snatch a low mileage one this year, trying to capitalize on the German economic context which see dealers cutting prices up fast in order to no have stocks if a recession proves to be a reality in the following period. Before now, most of them were around 40k and beyond and, in my country, Toyota still doesn't sell them in order for me to lease one. * I do want one really bad...but, I also need to decide if I want the 86 more than I want the GRY, as with the gen2 of the GRY, the gen1 price started to drop abruptly as well *

[@jimiverson3085]

The problem with the first gen was that big dip in the torque curve. It hit at just the point where you would be exiting from a corner. Given that it could be fixed in the aftermarket with intake/exhaust mods and a new tune, that was really an unforced error.

[@abadibi]

8:17 the reason mcphearson suspension is kept at front is because the AE86 has it aswell. And porsche proved that you can make a marvelous macphearson suspension design instead of opting for double wishbone.

[@jwmurphyccsis]

Great review and did not realise the first gen was not popular in the UK. They really are a great value sports car that can be driven hard without going to jail.

[@FenderUsa]

Too many mongs who only care about stats and not the way a car drives

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Yeah but the drive wasn't as good as it should have been either

[@mjor6406]

That was due to journalists giving negative reviews. The only English journalist who gave positive praise was Chris Harris. He made 2 videos about the gt86 11 years ago. Also Jeremy Clarkson loved the car.

[@michalbembnista5911]

@@mjor6406 I'm not sure that's true. Didn't it win car of year with Top Gear mag and get a 9/10 rating from them? Didn't it also win sports car category awards from Autocar and Auto Express? I also seem to remember that Mat Watson gave it a highly positive review. The only outlet that I remember being consistently negative was Evo, but I can't really take them seriously if they believe a diesel E-class is a better driver's car than a BRZ or MX-5 (through their star ratings).

[@dominicrusho]

@@michalbembnista5911GT86 also recently won a test in Autocar looking at the best affordable fun cars.

[@majesticjavelin9393]

Love the window screen camera looking at you, can really see your emotion as you drive. Also I love that saying you coined “Your favourite song being played next door” I’ll use that one 😅

[@etoineschrdlu9382]

I purchased a '15 BRZ Limited when new and slowly went about fixing the niggling 'little problems'. A catted UEL header and cat-back exhaust, combined with an aftermarket tune bumped up the horsepower and eliminated the mid-range lack of torque. I installed sound deadening while replacing the unconscionably cheap and inefficient audio speakers. The standard audio system is not all that bad, but only if you replace the dismal OEM speakers with carefully selected high efficiency component drivers and proper bandpass filters that can coexist with the factory unit's pre filtered outputs. (That was a research project!) I also replaced the Prius tires with proper high performance tires on lighter wheels. I've owned mine for eight years and I do not notice any interior rattles. I plan on hanging onto this car for a while.

[@JayCosmic]

Had the pleasure of flying round the canyons above LA in the Subaru version of this recently, after hearing all of the things you mentioned about the GT86 being underpowered, the new one absolutely blew me away, looking forwards to seeing them on UK roads and will definitely be envious of all the people who secured one before they sold out :)

[@Mat-S86]

Bought allmost new gray GR86 last May for 32K £, I'm so happy with it, it's worth every penny.

[@acchaladka]

Excellent review as always James. I suppose this is the closest we can get to a modern version of the Porsche 944, and though not as good in some aspects, I'll be looking the price up here in Canada for my next fun car, alongside tire and brake prices. Looks like a great package.

[@MoreThanRhymes]

This is one of my dream cars now ,.crazy that is at that price point

[@elliotthale1835]

Wish i could add an image... As you discussed auto trader sales were asking mega overs. Many have now come down by thousands. One was up for £37k on the 20/06/23 now at £31,990! After 7 price reductions still not sold. Good to see some people have your mentality of not paying overs to.

[@Gorbyrev]

My son sold his Fiesta ST (Mk7) for a GT86. We both loved it. The Premacy tyres were replaced and if worked properly it was more than fast enough for the road. His friend has his breathed on with Cosworth mods and took it on track. I have never seen a set of rear tyres in worse condition. None of us ever had a sideways moment unexpectedly. The increase in stiffness is remarkable given how solid a platform the original was. We didn't buy it probably because its target market naturally look for 2nd hand vehicles. In summary a great car on which to learn RWD dynamics. Elsewhere in the world it sold well. Great to see the replacement is worthy.

[@karllelliott681]

Hi Mark, funnily enough I changed my pearlescent white '17 MK1 86 for a Fiesta ST Mk7.5! (molten orange) It was a close run comparison and the FiST only just nudged it in the end. It was a great handling machine as I do miss it even now.

[@black8art]

I LOVED the GT86, and would bore my mates silly about the car's "analogue experience"! I even arranged test drives of the Mk3 and Mk4 MX-5 models back to back, so I could compare the experiences! The MX-5s were great cars, but I felt so much more comfortable with the GT86! I didn't experience the mid-range blip! I just wished I had had the car for more than 1hr of "accompanied" testing! ...A LOT MORE! The GT 86 is STILL a great car, and was cheap enough to allow some "tinkering" with the ECU to get a little more bang for buck. The tyres were ripe for stickier rubber and another half inch of width on the rear! Apart from that, it was right in my "goldilocks zone"! The GR86, on the other hand, has a bigger and thirstier engine, more electronics, and somehow looks "chunkier"? As for the price, ...it no longer competes with the MX-5! ...and the reasons for the lack of availability STINK! It has now become an EXCLUSIVE car rather than a people's car! That is unforgivable!

[@Robert_90dayfianceUK]

having been a 10 year owner of an 86 I cant disagree more with alot of your points about the car, especially the 'grip grip and go' comment! if thats your excperience of driving it, its testament to your driving ability, not the cars chassis Im afraid. Ive driven rwd cars for 20 years now and it is EASILY the most predicatble and fun chassis out there (at an affordable price) you can drive this thing sideways with one hand without ever being afraid of losing it through unexpected rear wheel antics. It is beautifully balanced, not the fastest, but more than fast enough for the road and in real world situations, much faster than those not in the know believe or than paper suggests. Also the engine is great fun to rev out!

[@jbalgo]

I've been driving the gt86 for 10 years and never understood all the fuss about the dip torque. It saved me a tremendous amount of fuel and is unnoticeable when you push the car.

[@dominicrusho]

Agreed.

[@emissarygw2264]

Probably a matter of what you're used to. After driving a wrx for a few years, I tried a brz and just could not enjoy it. Felt extremely underpowered outside of the top 20% of the rev range, and just generally kind of flimsy. I want to try the new one and see how that feels, the big improvements to power and stiffness sound promising. Otherwise maybe the supra.

[@duncanajpv8]

Exactly my thoughts as a GT86 owner. Also don't understand the comments about "grip, grip, then go" - GT86 handling is brilliant.

[@homer23422000]

I can understand the complaints, a slow car with a torque dip in the middle of the rev range doesn't endear typical sports car buyer, especially ones that don't want to modify it to fix that problem.

[@emissarygw2264]

@@duncanajpv8 I had the interesting thought just now that, I bet 99% of people who actually own it feel the same way - but likely because the only people who bought it are the people who aren't bothered by it.

[@film50565]

Fine sports car, fine review. As the driver of a car known for visibility issues, a sixth-generation Camaro, I have to say that concern about blind spots in this type of car is mostly unwarranted as long as you adjust the mirrors properly and maintain awareness of traffic. You do not want to make blind, sudden lane changes and some vigilance is needed at intersections, but then again that is true for any car. Some people will not like the darkish interior, but it gives such a car a fighter jet feeling that I very much like. And in the heat of summer, narrow windows help to keep the sun at bay.

[@anperson8329]

Also should mention that the UK spec has blind spot alert as standard

[@J_S209]

Great comments mate! Awesome cars.

[@Lobo_Argent]

I dont know... I think the GT86 was still very successful and fun, especially with a ECU tune :) This is a proper follow up!

[@tangerinedream8987]

Yes, there is a rattle and vibration from the doorcard and dashboard because of the pumped in engine audio, there is a plug you can pull which disconnects the microphone that pumps in the audio and prevents the rattle and vibration from the right of the driver side wheel when the door is open.

[@gavinivers8941]

Top Tip!

[@stoffer1981]

I got mine in early August. Must say I’m loving the way it drives. I get the same rattle from the door. The price has gone up to £32,500 from Toyota. Would of liked auto dimming rear view mirror and rain sensing wipers but glad it doesn’t have all those other safety features. On a windy road it is fantastic and find the tyres perfectly grippy, I do look at the speedo and find myself having to wind it in a bit lol.

[@Matthew-ll9ke]

We need to be thankful to Mr Toyoda. He is a genuine car enthusiast delivering genuine enthusiast cars

[@davidarter6271]

A superb car, James. And you are right, this would be so much more practical than cars costing ten times as much

[@kineticU]

Love my gen 1 BRZ. Underpowered, underrated, under appreciated by most except those who know

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

what is there to know? an e36/46 328 is equal except it looks good and hella lot cheaper. if 86 had around 300-400hp then sure, but now it fills a gap that isn't.

[@kineticU]

@@miljororforsprakpartiet290 not much to know. fits the bill for city driving limits. I have others for open roads!

[@stms4411]

I disagree with Jay’s assessment of the prior generation. I owned two BRZs (2013 and 2017). The torque dip was a low point of the car, but I didn’t find the chassis or handling to be lacking or unpredictable. For the power delivery - a stage 1 tune mitigates the problem. I was poised to put an UEL header on it and try stage 2 but I sold it at a profit and bought a more practical Honda civic si. Drove a 2022 gr86 and the motor has solved the issue completely. They improved the shifter (which was already good) and didn’t screw anything up. I will likely buy a 2023 or 2024.

[@spikyone79]

I think it was more the tyres rather than the chassis; especially in the cold/wet, the Primacy tyres were just horrible. If Jay drove it in crap weather, it probably did feel snappy. A set of Michelin Pilot Sports sorted out the feel.

[@stms4411]

@@spikyone79 - even with poor tires it handled well. I’ve got a lot of seat time with those crappy tires

[@spikyone79]

@@stms4411 I didn't say it handled badly. The problem was the transition - or lack of it - from grip to slip, especially in cold and wet conditions, on the Primacy tyres. If Jay drove it on the road in those conditions, I can understand him feeling that it was unpredictable. The Primacy tyres would break grip and traction with no warning. Fitting a set of Pilot Sports - I think they're standard on the GR? - fixes that.

[@stms4411]

@@spikyone79 you didn’t say it handled poorly but Jay wasn’t impressed with an impressive handling car - that was my point

[@spikyone79]

@@stms4411 And my point was that he specifically called it out for its unpredictability at the limit. Given that he's based in the UK, like me, I suggested that the cause may have been the Primacy tyres on a cold/wet day. We tend to get quite a lot of those.

[@mimo5383]

Own a 2014 BRZ from new (in AU) and am still wildly satisfied with it. Interested in taking this new one for a spin to see what changed, but don't agree with parking sensors. The camera and your mirrors are enough and prefer a cleaner looking rear end. Its a fun and reliable platform to mod and daily so its nice seeing both makers willing to carry on with developing and supporting it.

[@dielaughing73]

Seriously, how do these reviewers think we managed before all the tech? I only recently got a car with a reversing camera and that's plenty of assistance. And that's only because it's a couple with awful visibility

[@enekoprins]

I recently ordered mine in Spain which will hopefully get here end '23. I have seen probably 90% of the reviews of this car on KZbin and this one is one of the best. Very enjoyable. Thanks for the good job. Liked and Subscribed!

[@enekoprins]

After 11 months of waiting I finally got mine! Wonderful car, no doubt about it, bit I totally agree about the throttle pedal issue you mention. I was riding in the car thinking I was just using a bit of gas when actually I was giving it all it had. There is nothing left after a third of the accelerator. I hate that!

[@natashasmith9843]

I own a GT86 and I absolutely love it. The fact only 7000 came to the UK is a good thing! It puts a smile on my face everytime I drive it. Sure it is not the fastest thing in world, but when you start to plan your driving to only go down wiggly roads, it must say something.

[@zknarc]

I had no idea so few made it over. I've been trying to pick up an older one and wondered why the prices are crazy. I'll probably end up with something fwd instead :(

[@Srevelation]

I love my gt86 I've got pilot sport 4 tyres and team dynamic wheels. I hate people slagging off the 86 they've never driven it they've only drove it my friend who had the new supra still loves my 86 and wants one

[@robsmall6466]

@@zknarc They are pretty common to be honest. I think scalpers might be at work. The BRZ on the other hand is not a common sight

[@Janshevik]

@@zknarc so BMW can sell more of their garbage

[@vidibites]

Totally agree re throttle response, I find myself accidentally either wheel spinning in first gear (looking a bit anti social) or getting a judder (looking like a crap driver). I suspect with longer ownership I’ll be able to get it right, but it’s going to take some practise.

[@04dram04]

In the U.S. the GT86 was really popular

[@AntoniusTyas]

Love that windscreen camera shot. Polariser filter? Also, boy do I want GR86. Sadly costs GBP48-50k here in Indonesia. Blame the tax.

[@jameskirk1161]

Here in America the original GT86 (FRS for us) was pretty successful.

[@baronvonjo1929]

Wym? The sales I find show absolutely pathetic sales. The highest sales year was 2013 with 18k. That's really really bad. I am suprised they somehow justified building a new gen.

[@Lobo_Argent]

@@baronvonjo1929through their run, they sold about 127k of them. For a niche sports car, that’s a good number.

[@baileylucier6385]

one of your best scripts , felt informative and well paced !

[@andyh5666]

Great info. I've got a my2023 BRZ in Australia (love it), and this is the first time I've learned more about the traction control settings, in detail. Thank you.

[@harrybuhse8622]

Highly recommend sticking with track mode rather than full TCS off if you're not well acquainted with the car. It can bite (and we have to keep our insurance costs down pls).

[@dylanriley2707]

The GT86/FRS/BRZ did really well here in Canada too; I see them everywhere. There is a new GR 86 in Toyota's version of Mexica Blue driving around my small town and the guy is able to fit is kids in it. Hats off to him! The GT86's values have held up well too. I personally think they look way better than the new GR86, but that new engine sure is impressive. I hummed and hawed over a GT86 or BMW 128i, I went with the Bimmer and love it. I think the 128i is the bargain of the century, such an amazing car for only about $8-12k cdn, I cannot think of a better fun car than it for those dollars. Though it would be nice to own a 86 too :) Maybe I can find one on Turo for a day :) Great review, as always.

[@lanmastersassistant659]

OMG, THE BONNET CAM SHOTS ARE EPIC, well done sir

[@duviday]

I think you missed a massive point, which is that al of the benefits of the GR86 can be applied in the aftermarket to the GT86. Whilst stock, of course the engine is a sore point, there are numerous things you can do to remedy this and make it just as fun, and as fast, as the new one. The point is, you haven't missed out because you didn't get an allocation for a new one. You can still get a used old one, put some bits on it, and have just as good a car that is equally as capable and just as much fun.

[@ThoonderG]

Bought brand new 2014 BRZ & still daily drive it to this day, all year through snow... etc. The worst attribute is the bumpiness... I give you that. Anyone who complains about the torque dip, I only ask if they drove the auto or manual? If auto, then I will cry with you... longer gears & slush box, I get it. But I got the manual, and torque dip is not a problem (unless you're drag racing from a stop)... either cruise in the lower half of rpm band to save gas (maybe have a nice conversation with good company), or stay above 5K rpm for some street fun. As a result, it made me a better driver, and not depend on raw brute power. I could have got a Mustang for less, but this was ultimately the better route. For the track, sure... double the power, you have a nice weapon.

[@oliverattwell8013]

Great review, Toyota is knocking it out the park between the Yaris and this!

[@rxs87]

would love to hear your thoughts on the automatic version of the gr86, there's a million reviews on the manual, but hardly any on the automatic. They all just say the same old line of you should only buy the manual, a nice unbiased opinion on the automatic version I think is much needed!

[@homer23422000]

I test drove a BRZ a couple of years ago that was an auto, I haven't driven a manual one yet, but it's my favorite car I've driven, and I've raced several modified cars including an early WRX, E46 M3, and a C5 Corvette. The transmission will hold the revs in manual mode. I would still only get an auto if I hated/couldn't drive a manual. It's very light on it's feet, it has great turn in, it has a very dynamic driving characteristic, it's more fun than most sports cars, but I need to drive much more of them.

[@albertofernandez-sanguino3373]

Can't wait for Litchfield Engineering to come out with a "revised" version of this 👌😊

[@chrisrhod9921]

Bought my gr86 in July in neptune blue. Hit 10,000 miles last week. Absolutely love mine. Haven't came across another one.

[@arny960]

Hi, just wanna ask are you using the car daily or just weekends?

[@chrisrhod9921]

@@arny960 I drive mainly on weekends and road trips.

[@arny960]

@@chrisrhod9921 well I would like to buy one, but I want to drive it daily, would recommend it? Would that car handle it ? Thank. You

[@chrisrhod9921]

@@arny960 sure it would hold up to it. It's a wonderful car. But I will say if your planning on using the back seat for passengers that's just not going to work. Only a toddler or hobbit could utilize the back seats.

[@arny960]

@@chrisrhod9921 I won’t buy this car for my passengers I want to buy this car for myself 😁 I originally wanted Subaru brz but they ain’t selling it here in UK 🥲 so at least i want similar car to this. Thank you tho appreciate your feedback, can’t wait for mine.

[@colindajohannesen4097]

I own a gr86 2024 and I'm very happy with my choice!

[@hl236]

Most impartial review. I am glad that you mentioned cons which many journalists haven’t.

[@ShenmueAtheist]

I am eternally grateful these are relatively attainable in the US. The only issue is finding a manual; the ratios of available manuals is about 1 to 10 in favor of autos. I'm hoping this summer or fall I'll be able to buy one, although I'm considering an FK8 Type R too. Decisions, decisions...

[@Mr-pn2eh]

American here. Not a big fan of the gt86 but would still prefer it over the current supra.

[@olio_benzina]

Yes, those nasty MacPherson Struts. Though apparently good enough for many of Porsches sports cars.

[@Modge17]

My old GT86 door cards/speakers used to rattle at certain volumes/frequencies too!

[@theobabajooni5452]

Watching these reviews only makes me more thankful I got my hands on one. Truly a gem of a car I just wish it came with better brakes 😅

[@AdamsApples]

As much as the GR86 looks great, I feel the GT86 is becoming cheaper and more accessible to the younger markets it was originally aimed towards

[@BrandinooWOW]

I have a customer who ordered an MX-5 RF that tried to order one of these. He knew they were coming out. He went into a dealer and left a deposit on a pre order. Apparently they didn't tell the dealers that they were online order and once they ran out they ran out. The dealer ranging him 2 days after the order went up and said he couldn't have one because he missed the pre order window. He wasn't a happy man. And the dealer weren't very happy with Toyota either.

[@ianmcmillan1411]

Well said: Indeed.. "You buy a car like this.. for the way that it drives"!

[@winnieatshunny]

this car is around $50,000 USD in my country; definitely out of reach for me, but good news is that a used 1st gen 2014 gt86 is now more affordable at $24k. Maybe now is the time to finally get in on the platform

[@H3AtreD]

Good news, the new 2024 has most of the missing things you've mentioned, in terms of sensors and other things. Check it out. Thanks for the review.

[@Daledugahole]

There's a lot of reviews already out there for this car but I really enjoyed this. Fantastic review that has some Top Gear meets Mike Brewer vibes about it 😂 regarding the suspension, the Subaru has a slightly softer suspension set up and tuning so if anyone is looking for a softer ride, not so tail happy and more forgiving daily driver, the BRZ Might be the better choice ..

[@mitchkelleher7972]

The clutch pedal return spring is terrible. I have over 900k miles driving manuals and I looked like a learner in mine for a few hundred miles when I usually adapt in a few blocks. I found it very inconsistent, so I swapped it out with a spring from McMaster-Carr (6 for $15 or so) and that fixed the problem. Still not the best clutch I've driven, but solidly good. Throttle pedal calibration is definitely annoying and kind of goes against the driver's car ethos in that a linear throttle map would allow more exacting throttle adjustment. I have about 25k miles on mine and I love it. It commutes in traffic, bombs back roads, likes snow (with snow tires), carries bikes on a rack, and there is far more useful storage space than the numbers would make it seem. All issues I have are nitpicks-an absolute steal and I paid less than a regular damn Civic hatchback with a manual.

[@MacellaioNero]

'Lucky enough to place an order' is right, these things are absolutely unobtanium unless you want to pay over MSRP on the used market. I've had a pretty good relationship with my local Toyota dealer and still been told I have absolutely no chance of getting one in the next few years and there's nothing they can do about it. At least Porsche will pretend they will eventually sell you a car.

[@leylandlynxvlog]

Seems nice but that rear looks like a 1st gen Insignia. Great review though, I love the detail you go into.

[@Rhowhat]

Still kicking myself for not putting a deposit down on the order day. I got to the card details screen and decided that I was being daft (GR Yaris also on order but still not delivered!).

[@karllelliott681]

Yes I also saw 4 of these in private hands on Autotrader (with 1 of these 4 also on pistonheads) a couple of weeks ago for 5k above MSRP. That annoyed me. Sounds like this is a great car and a definite improvement over the GT86. I had a '17 and loved it. What a shame you have to pay over the odds (like most cars nowadays) to get hold of one.

[@murrieteacher]

In Australia this car was very popular. A few of them ran in my class at Mt Cotton hillclimb and some with a little modification were quicker than my very modified MGTF160 They just changed shocks and rubber oh and brake pads to get a very competitive car. I really should have bought a Lotus Elise.

[@voltairejohntan]

This review makes me want to buy one ! Just waiting for extra cash :D hahaha

[@SWatchik]

God it really is just a great looking car. That side profile is really nice, just good proportions all around. Shame they are so limited.

[@jordanc918]

Coming back a few years later. 6:24 . “Options not available on a manual” well now it has them.

[@FragEightyfive]

@19:39 - This was a strange thing. For the first few thousand miles I didn't floor it, I kept it around 1/4 to 1/3 throttle until fully warmed up, and 1/2 throttle after. I was mostly commuting on back roads with 35 speed limits so its not like I was going racing. After a break in period, i floored it and it feels like barely anything more than I was already giving it. So much for taking it easy for a few thousand miles.

[@Blight-fp3vt]

What incredible is that in Australia the same spec manual BRZ (well actually slightly better, as its got internal GPS as well as a spare full 18 inch) is the equivalent of 25k pounds drive away. The Toyota isn't quite so nicely priced, primarily due to price gouging on popularity as it entered our market about a year after the BRZ but its still not too bad. NOTE: I have also heard that the BRZ is comming to EU for a short run after initially Subaru deciding not to (actually some already have it) so anyone who wants a twin should enquire.

[@udeshhhhhh]

Toyota and Subaru made an absolute ripper for the second gen 👌 I'm from Australia and waiting for my GR86 manual..I test drove the manual and the experience was amazing and the dealer asked me to take my time on the test drive which I did..and I put my money down soon after the drive. I currently drive an i30N sedan DCT but the manual was super approachable even though I've only driven manuals for a week prior a year before to just learn. Simply amazing car.

[@qroozer6966]

So jealous about the pricing! this thing is priced at 63.000£ in it's basic package in Norway... Our Toyota dealers has completely missed the entire point of this car

[@vidibites]

11:17 re door rattle it only happens when I have the base turned up, fine on base up to +4. I suspect it’s slightly different on each car depending how much glue they used. I actually really like the infotainment system, large screen for the reversing camera and Apple car play is great. It’s a very well built infotainment system, all be it very Japanese, but that s what I want in a Japanese car 😂 One of the best cars I’ve owned, it’s fun at low and high speeds. The engine is incredible too. Could add an aftermarket exhaust for more sound but it’s certainly not a must.

[@jojomon5]

1st time on your channel. Like the car and enjoyed your review. Subscribed!

[@jamescoe764]

Fantastic car. If only more modern stuff was that restrained in looks

[@nathansmith6914]

I agree they had an opportunity to up the price for options because they're obviously to be very rare and price wouldn't be much of a barrier for most.

[@Netc0n]

Cracking review Jay, really appreciate this. Would desperately love to see a review from you on the manual GR Supra so I can make a decision, currently have both on order!

[@panvomacka9079]

No, the GT86 suspension WAS indeed designed to behave like the 80s sportscars, with less grip, but very predictable handling. And it indeed was. No snap oversteer or anything like mentioned in the video as predictable as a miata. That's why it was so popular everywhere in the world, just not in europe for some reason. I guess the price...

[@aryesXNA]

I also don't know what he is saying about GT86 being unpredictable. It's still the most predictable car I've driven. I agree with him on the other points thou.

[@panvomacka9079]

Absolutely. The rest is spot on.

[@HG504X]

In the middle of all the EV push ans EV garbage. These are thr types of cars we need.

[@craigsommerville2300]

I was able to get a Subaru BRZ here in Aus late last year after a 7 month wait. And yes - it was worth it! Love the car & it sits very nicely next to my 500hp V8 😊

[@brencabral3814]

Port and direct injection is also present in the old gt86

[@smilepermile8165]

Took Toyota UK a looong time to get these GR86s on UK public roads after what seems to be years ago when the one-and-only Keiichi Tsuchiya and the American reviewers/KZbinrs got their hands on these. But oh well, glad you got to review it eventually. Can’t really blame the engineers for the upcoming crash regulations and emission’s regulations but it’s sad that even the relatively affordable sports cars by a manufacturer like Toyota will send GR86s to the UK market in limited supply, just like the limited allocations for Porsche’s GT3/GT4/GT2 cars. Would love to put individual throttle bodies and lightweight TWS T66f wheels to make it feel somewhat like the engaging experience that Tsuchiya san gets in his AE86 👌

[@ThexMJT]

Looks fantastic, rear looks slightly NSX with the lights

[@ShubhoBose]

These were and are still extremely popular in the north american and japanse markets. They're basically the default choice for your first practical sports car.

[@theopeters3151]

Fantastic detailed review 👍

[@FragEightyfive]

20:33 - I knew the GR was faster than my previous car around corners, so while the car was new to me I didn't go much faster than I wold have before in the 45-55MPH range until I was used to the GR. As I increased my speeds to 10 MPH faster than I my old car, the GR was still super stable, I felt some under-steer and thought that was it. The car was very stable, so I figured - send it. At about 25MPH faster than I would normally take these corners, Ttat was when I felt the rear rotate just a bit, become more neutral and just sit down around the corner like it was on rails. It still had more. Compared to a 1st or 2nd gen Cayman or 992 911, I can actually have fun on these back-roads where the speed-limits are 35mph, and the roads that are 45mph you end up doing go-to-jail speeds to even feel anything from the Porsche.