New Toyota GR86 (Manual) Review! Is this a great daily AND a great weekend car?

[@craigjenkins3854]

The Toyota GR 86 is what the GT 86 should have been in the first place. Unfortunately it's priced out of the reach of the average petrolhead. The price of car's in South Africa is spiralling out of control. Another great review by the Car's Co Za team.

[@Rob165x]

It's really a shame they're marked up so much overseas. In the states they start at 28k USD which is very good for what you get compared to econocars. The ecoboost Mustang is also a great value around the same price but it's pretty bare bones and once you go premium and add a few options the price skyrockets. Same with the WRX and the MX5.

[@johankellerman3029]

@@Rob165x Yes unfortunately even the mustang in South Africa is as luxury vehicle. We do not get the ecoboost mustang anymore, but the base mustang GT (and auto only sigh) starts at ±$60250 US. Basically it competes with luxury german brands this side...

[@YusufPetersenCPT]

had a nice look of this in person still asked the guy was this the one on the channel his like...YES!... looks great and i think now it has the right amount of power.

[@kalin6228]

Hate to admit it, being a proud 350z owner and Nissan fan since forever...Toyota is the only manufacture doing anything for sport JDM fan in South Africa.

[@Showmetheevidence-]

Had the old 86, loved it. It’s was an incredibly fun, drivers car & after a little supercharging was… well… a bit faster, but still not fast (I wanted reliability). But as a package it was brilliant & after 7+ years I never had anything go wrong, ever. But the new price? W. T. F!

[@Rob165x]

28k USD for base, nearly 31k for the premium is a good price in the states, unfortunately they're sparcely produced so it's not as viable in other places. =( i.e. Europe only got a few thousand and they were sold out for 2 years. My 22 BRZ was marked up 4k which was really annoying, still worth it to get it early (had it 16 months now), took 6 months before I saw another one on the road.

[@Chif_GT]

Surely Budget insurance doesn't insure anything for ANC members because they are not good South Africans.

[@alternativeview99]

That's where they make most of their money. All this banks, dealerships and and make money from corrupt proceeds, just look at the SIU Persavation Orders and see the sort of this that get attached..

[@smovol1847]

Це точно. Навіть мені з України видно, що ANC це злочинці. Бажаю Південній Африці економічного розвитку, щоби було, як колись.

[@auggith]

haha 💀🤣

[@marklawrence7355]

Nice review.... Where was this filmed? Looks like a lekker road to stretch my weekend car's legs

[@Carscoza]

Hi there, drop us an email and we'll fill you in: [e-mail]

[@Neevarshan_Naicker]

I'm a huge Toyota fan and despite their new alliances, I still think they make the best cars. Loved this review of this GR86 and it must have been very rewarding for Ciro to drive another Boxer. Ciro, your Subaru Prodrive sounds better! 😂. I loved how he also mentioned the exciting new GR Supra Manual at the end. I honestly can't wait for you guys to review that car. I can guarantee you that would be the best sports car you drive this year. Please review that car when it comes on a mountain pass. Thanks and I love this channel ❤️ 🥰

[@yissibiiyte]

Being a fan of the very few things Toyota builds is perfectly fine. But don't give them credit for this Subaru or their BMW

[@azarelpillay8538]

700k hahaha. No man. That's a scam if you didn't know 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MAH-id3sx]

@Yissi Biiyte, Lol. Toyota literally builds somewhere around 14 of their own models.

[@arshadtaliep8394]

@@azarelpillay8538 to be fair, the last of the manual gt86s costed 600 odd thousand

[@ChrisDied]

Toyota = over priced in every way shape and form....

[@Stromeo_]

the gr86 is an awesome car! but I think for that amount of money I would rather buy a gr yaris since its similarly priced. why buy this when you can buy a mad little AWD rally car that's more powerful and probably a bit better as a daily.

[@65hi863dhyu]

Because it's a dedicated rwd chassis and a more pure sports car with NA power. 0 interest in a GR Yaris over this.

[@Stromeo_]

@@65hi863dhyu sure that's a valid reason to buy the gr86. honestly I have been looking at both for myself and I just cant justify the price of the gr86. If the price in SA was the same as USA I would get the gr86 over the Yaris.

[@pieterrossouw8596]

It'd be interesting to see a video on the price of cars in general. We all know there's factors such as inflation at play, but it's hard to get a sense of where the price tag actually comes from. To me a R700K is Audi, BMW and Merc money - but things move up in price way more than average salaries do unfortunately.

[@Carscoza]

That's a good idea, we'll definitely look into it

[@johanbarnard3435]

700k used to be BMW etc.. money. Now if you want those cars your looking at R1.2Million+ rediculous really

[@pieterrossouw8596]

@@johanbarnard3435 yikes, glad I’m not shopping for a car right now. The best car in the world really is a paid off car. I almost bought a new car just before COVID hit, now I work from home full time and rarely need to drive anywhere. What a waste that would’ve been.

[@Yas_786_]

Ciro i would love to know what you think of the looks.. thought you would park up and go over the exterior design etc.

[@movesmatter4514]

If you put a turbo on the same motor you would spend 8-10k more. Then it’s going to be out of reach for it’s target market. The people that want a turbo can get a Supra or the Gr Corolla.

[@Mzwandile_Makhowane]

Well-done. Typically yourself. You really evoke petrol-head "emotion" (much needed element in this world) on this drive. Excellent review

[@Carscoza]

What a lovely comment, thank you

[@astonwinter]

You had me at "Manual"

[@DaveDVideoMaker]

The GR86 was available in the UK, but all units destined for the market were sold out in 90 minutes. For the Polish market, however, the 50 units destined for Poland were sold out in just 35 seconds. Sadly, the GR86 will not be available in Romania, simply because Toyota doesn’t wanna sell it in that particular market.

[@Showmetheevidence-]

It’s an awesome car.

[@DaveDVideoMaker]

@@Showmetheevidence- I agree. It is such a shame it won’t be available in Romania or some other EU countries such as Bulgaria. The GR86 is/was available in 19 European countries (the list is too long to mention here).

[@savagegtalks5912]

@@DaveDVideoMaker I'm sure some Bulgarians will go over to Germany and France to bring some back... if you know what I mean lol Romanians are in the Uk working in their factories and stores. So they just get themself a Uk version... no problem.

[@DaveDVideoMaker]

@@savagegtalks5912 I wouldn’t do that myself; too much hassle. The closest thing Romanians and Bulgarians can get is the MX-5, which granted is a little slower and way less practical than the GR86, but it’s still based on a RWD 6MT platform.

[@TorqueDriven]

Nice one mate‼️

[@mathieucossette9019]

I wonder how it would look like with the black parts body colored below the headlights ?! Anyway, this design is a killer

[@abongamncube1501]

For that price, I'm getting myself a 2019 140i and some change... And more space.... And 2 additional cylinders... And the badge... And more🌝

[@futurafreeze]

going to be new to driving stick, what specifically about the clutch bite point makes it difficult for traffic? thanks

[@tsebomoloi3410]

It isn't really, it's just mentally a lot for many people. What I do is go at gear one and keep at gear 1 or 2 if traffic moves and take my time as per the car.

[@marcusg500]

One day i hope to review a car with you

[@michaelalwande]

Please give us a review of the raptor a full proper review 🙏 😫. I saw the off road test but there's alot missing

[@DjiCandi]

FINALLLLLY!!!!!

[@ianmcmillan1411]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that "Toyota don't build their own cars anymore", but in certain instances they have partnered with others where it makes good commercial sense to do so. They did help Subaru with the multi-spark ignition & optimization of the GT86 engine, & have had a big hand in the design of the chassis of the GT86, GR86 & Supra - as a result, the Mk5 Supra is way more of a track car than the Z4, whereas the Z4 is more of a grand tourer.. I don't know much about the Suzuki-based models so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there. But a quick Google search tells me that Toyota manufactures Corollas, Camrys, Hilux, Prius, Tacomas, etc. in many countries around the world..

[@ca9968]

It`d be very interesting leaving it NA but maybe doing an old school Stage 1 upgrade to improve things a bit...Chip, Air Filter and exhaust upgrade would make it better...

[@tsebomoloi3410]

And maybe an engine swap, incl a sexy spoiler,front bumper, side skirts and black bonnet with a hood scoop and sexy rims. It could also do with carbon ceramic brakes and a more communicative suspension with slightly stiffer chassis

[@KgomotsoJacobNkagisang]

Have you reviewed the latest GR86

[@adriaanserrao2016]

Ah yes. Finally i love the fact that you mention that they don't build their own cars. Toyota sells 5 times more of the Suzuki built and designed cars that what Suzuki sells. Even though Toyota gives you less as standard with a worse warranty and service plan for more money. People in south Africa will buy anything with a Toyota badge on it.

[@yissibiiyte]

Very brave of you to say that. Be expecting a massive assault from all the brainwashed Toyota fanboys

[@adriaanserrao2016]

@@yissibiiyte i have been more than mad enough at people buying these cars and praising Toyota about them to have had enough 😂

[@yissibiiyte]

@@adriaanserrao2016 tell me about it. I can't stand their undeserved success

[@MasterAppels]

Most think that Suzuki rebadges Toyota's cars. It's sad how few people actually do proper research before choosing a car.

[@MAH-id3sx]

@Adriaan Serrao, 1 of the main reasons for Toyota outselling Suzuki is dealer network. People, especially older people look for convenience when it comes to having to take their cars for service etc. Why travel 20km when a different brand selling a similar product albeit a bit more expensive that's just 5km away. It might not seem much but for some it's about convenience. Once Suzuki starts having more branches that sales gap will decrease.

[@rianhiggs6113]

Would like to see a review on a toyota corolla quest vs the vw polo sedan

[@InfoHubZA]

Car prices have indeed gone crazy. To think today you can buy a 3 Series for approximately 1 million 🤦🏾

[@lethabomotjieng5857]

can I please have review of Audi A3 2.0 T 2017

[@raymondmalan487]

Solid Stunner !!

[@michaelmazani]

Would love it if you and Mat Watson from carwow got together to review a car.

[@DjiCandi]

No. No ways...Mat Watson must stay where he's at. No sir! Highly disagree! Anyone but Mat! Haibo Ndoda!

[@michaelmazani]

@@DjiCandi hahaha, what have you got against Mat? He's the best reviewer on the Internet. Almost at Clarkson, Hammond or May levels

[@DjiCandi]

@@michaelmazani he's an entertainer. A car reviewer yes, million of subscribers on KZbin doesn't make him a good reviewer. Henry Catchpole and Ciro, yes! Not Mat.

[@Moneysignteve]

My dream car 🤩

[@stephenmhere7054]

Nice review. Celerio which is a suzuki 🤔

[@tsebomoloi3410]

I agree. At least we have parts though

[@brysannatasen197]

The GR corolla is a fairy tale car like the i20N that will probably never come to the country

[@tsebomoloi3410]

I personally prefer longer and taller gearing as it requires less gears to have. Why should manual spoetscars and supercars have so many gears. Some even have 8 gears

[@lincolnmachaba6611]

Please get the Toyota Corolla GR 2023.

[@Ash-so6qn]

This thing is going to kill the 86 models. Won't sell. Overpriced, under powered. Doesn't look amazing... If it were priced under 600k, then people will be willing for fork out more to turbo/super charge it. At the current price point it should already be making say 210-219kw.

[@ChrisDied]

Ciro, never hold in a button of a push button start system 😬😬🤔😐

[@CobusDerrenberg]

Great great great review 👏👍👌 Well done ! ✨ Great little car ! REALLY ! 🤔 BUT: That price is a KILLER and will destroy sales completely 😳👎 This simple: Ad just 50c and rather get a proper New WRX .. 👍✨ Toyota will HAVE to FIX the price: They just HAVE TO cut this price with AT LEAST R160,000 to R180,000 🤨 Great work ! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@mindfreeze0838]

I love that quip at the beginning about Toyota not making their own cars😂. I would like to know about the person who utilizes the child seats in a sports car like this, they must be one of the most interesting people in the world.

[@keloduma]

I think he confused the Celerio with the Baleno

[@Carscoza]

Good catch, he meant to say the new Toyota Vitz which is a rebadged Celerio. But he forgot about the Starlet!

[@CrimsonOrguss]

This car is actually designed by Toyota btw. Even though the parts and manufacture isn’t by them , it is their design by their designers.

[@johankellerman3029]

The problem isn't the price of the GR 86. In the US it sells for more or less the same than the GT 86 did back in the day. However, in 2012 the average dollar rand exchange rate was R8.21 and in 2023 the dollar rand exchange is a joke.

[@user-se4tk2jj8c]

I am buying the top model in the US for 34k USD including taxes and fees. I don’t think is expensive at all

[@johankellerman3029]

@@user-se4tk2jj8c congratulations man. Hope it brings you lots of joy. Unfortunately in South Africa this is really expensive. The average Jo can hardly afford a car at $20k US...

[@user-se4tk2jj8c]

@@johankellerman3029 oh wow, thanks for providing that information. It is kind of the same where I am from. But how much is the GR86 over there including taxes and fees? Do they charge a crazy amount of taxes like in other countries?

[@johankellerman3029]

@@user-se4tk2jj8c Hi J. Unfortunately I cannot comment on other countries, however in SA we pay around 40% import tax and then there is something called the luxury tax. Anything above a curtain amount (±$32000 US) they add additional fees. The 86 definitely falls into that bracket, however I do not know exactly how they implement it (too poor to worry about it tbh :P).

[@shaunmakgata6672]

Strap a turbo on that and do the stutututuuuu

[@livingcolours1541]

Good Lord! Are those Neanderthal hands on the steering wheel? 🤔🤣

[@johanbarnard3435]

"Mountains rare up north" tell me you haven't traveld up north much without telling me.

[@Carscoza]

Ya that was a bit of a silly comment, he meant Gauteng and should have been more specific. Thanks for watching

[@rhinoTube]

For a tiny bit more you can get a BMW 220i.

[@WimTheInstigator]

With less power :(

[@arshadtaliep8394]

Lol spoken like someone that hasn’t experienced an 86

[@ericmastrangelo4855]

@@arshadtaliep8394 Or BMW reliability.

[@clarkemay70]

New car prices are shocking, you could buy a low mileage Jaguar F-type Supercharged 3.0v6 coupe or roadster for far less money

[@benbarnard8280]

Performance is everything, this sounds slow, I am sick of Toyota rebageing other brands. Shows they have no ideas of there own.

[@ericmastrangelo4855]

If straight line speed is your only definition of performance, then it isn't for you. For handling and such however, you won't find anything new as good until you hit at least twice the price point, and even then it holds its own quite well. I've had a '22 BRZ since May of last year, there's nothing that touches it in the corners until you're spending big cash, and even then I can upgrade my BRZ to improve things even more and still have spent less. As for Toyota, they own Daihatsu outright and have stakes in both Suzuki and Subaru, so it's not like they're straying far. Plus, at least in the US, we have the GR Corolla which is solely Toyota and being highly praised, as well as other countries have the GR Yaris that's equally praised, so it's not like they're incapable of putting out a serious enthusiast car. Reality is that with economics being what they are, you would not have cars like the GR/BRZ or Supra these days if it weren't for joint efforts. They're too niche.

[@gustavchuene7430]

Ciro didn't smile until 07:03, 😔 that means it's not a driver's car period! Go argue with your ancestors.

[@bhyat]

It is just far too expensive imo. The market will just gravitate towards hot hatches instead

[@arshadtaliep8394]

Meh. Get a gt86 2nd hand and call it a day. Appreciable difference in terms of "fun" is like minimal

[@DjiCandi]

I'm saying!!! Bargain of the century for the price of the new one! MAybe supercharge it and it's miles better than this one! When Toyota said R700k, I thought the exact same thing

[@arshadtaliep8394]

@@DjiCandi to be fair though, comparing 2013 prices to now has the same trend for every vehicle. The last gt86s were 600k. But yeah. An rgm charger on the gt86 is best of both worlds. Smooth power delivery but also quicker

[@WaseemKhan-iu4bh]

I'd have a 2023 Polo GTI over this...faster/more tuning potential more tech/luxury and cheaper

[@tsebomoloi3410]

For 700k id rather get a mustang rather than toyota gr models

[@johanbarnard3435]

Price will be it's downfall. What made the previous one good was exactly that, it was cheap

[@johannmaritz5354]

Just buy Porsche boxer S more fun

[@angrysocialjusticewarrior]

There are still people buying manual transmissions in 2023? That's shocking.

[@lmeyer46ish]

Petrol heads yes

[@siyavuyasam2033]

Yep😎

[@ozemsadventureofrandomstuf252]

Lovely review Cirro. I mean I have never driven many turbo cars and personally I would definitely take a naturally aspirated vehicle Anyday. Having a Toyota badge makes it even better. As a long distance GT car don’t think it’s that great though 😭🫣 I know you’ve been thrashing it but range said 199 and there half tank?🫣🤕😂