Toyota GR86 vs Hyundai i20N vs Caterham 170R vs Mazda MX-5 'Cheap' Road Trip

[@Dejw_mx5]

In 2022 I was shopping for a used affordable sportscar. My top contenders MX-5 G184 RF, GT86, and BRZ. Since my budget was around 25-26K EUR, the BRZ dropped out relatively quick :D. First I tried MX-5 with Sportspack (Bilstein, Recaro) and then on stock suspension with standard leather seats. The sports pack version was definitely better in handling, but I was not too fond of the Recaro seats, they were too stiff for me as I was planning to daily the car and also take it for longer road trips. So the version without the sports pack would be my go-to option. Then I tried the GT86 and it was a clear winner for me, car was handling as sharp as the MX-5 with the sports pack and the ride quality was great. Even though it's over 200kg heavier with more power 205hp it felt livelier than MX5. Just before I was about to buy the GT86 I met a guy who let me drive a slightly moded MX5. His MX-5 had a Bilstein\Eibach B12 sportline kit and thicker anti-rollbars from Whiteline. Immediately this car felt way sharper than the GT86, whilst keeping the ride quality great as well. The other great thing was his engine tune, his MX-5 had 210hp and revved to 8K, this mod was similar to BBR kit, but on a way cheaper side (around 2K EUR). You would not believe what can 30 more HP do to such a small car :D it became a bullet. In the end, I managed to find MX-5 G184 RF with 30K km on in for 24K EUR, and I Immediately installed Bilstein\Eibach B12 sportline kit and Whiteline anti-roll bars for 1,5K EUR. So the total is still cheaper than the cheapest comparable GT86 I could find and I could not be happier. Planning to do the engine tune-up next year :)

[@stefanck]

If you're in the UK, go for the BBR 220 engine package. And upgrade your brakes with 4 pistons wildWood or brembo cause you'll need it after the tune haha. You may need to change your wheels as well if you change the brakes cause the OEM wheels does not clear them.

[@sideways14a]

I have the first version of the ND(1) on the sports pack and its fair enough to say its a little less focussed that the GT86 was when i tested them back to back in 2016. However as with most mx5s mods came, the remap and exhaust puts it up to at least as much as a stock ND2 with what appears to be a massive amount of mid range added. The eibach spring kit i also got which is now an official Mazda option on the Mx5 removed 90% of the roll on turn in which combined with a proper alignment made it ridicules on back roads. Of course you can mod any car but it seems Mazda left a lot on the table for people to pick and choose how they wanted there new roadster to feel.

[@ZoidPickle]

Sounds cool. I have a built nc. Front and rear tower struts, Rx8 anti roll bars, ohlins fully Adjustable shocks, super 225+ BBR kit. Its mega.

[@johnybigarms]

The MX5 chassis is made of cheese, it’s scuttle shakes and it’s because it has a rag top roof, stiff suspension highlights that issue even more, hence why they roll in a corner as the suspension is softer than it would be if it had a solid roof, at £30k it’s not particularly good value, if open top motoring is important, it’s a choice of 1, but it’s not a great drivers car, the GR86 is infinitely stiffer and drives with much better precision, the fake noise cost nothing to remove, it deserves to be called the winner of the 4 cars in test.

[@B__L]

@@stefanck Trust me you really don't need 4 pot wilwoods for 220hp. A good set of pads and fluid will do just fine.

[@veefource]

Odd the MX-5 was criticised for having a dull engine when nearly every other review say it's freer revving than the GR86 and does at least sound authentic unlike the (to my ears; subjectively awful) Nintendo sound augmentation in the latter. Unplugging it would be job 1 if I bought that car but then it would be too quiet and definitely wouldn't sound as good as the Mazda.

[@buntafujiwara3586]

The GR86 sounds good unplugged (the dealer can disable it electronically so you don't have to dig under the dash), but inside the cabin it is a bit quiet. I fitted an Invidia Q300 to solve that issue. Loud enough to hear in the cabin, but not pissing off my neighbours.

[@SrGoatie]

I was hoping Chris Harris would be in the video. That man keeps this show going

[@rb.488]

The KZbin channel and Magazine are different from the TV show

[@kevmagill5163]

Chris is awesome, but not everthing is about drifting when you want a car review. These guys do a great job.

[@RYTF5]

These are magazine guys.

[@runrabbitrunracing]

Chris is good but Ollie is great watch too now. Variation is good!

[@mitchellsteindler]

I thought it was great

[@ajr5195]

Was this a toyota commercial? Ive never heard someone describe the ND2 miata as being “dull”.

[@jdsk8914]

I mean I like the Toyota...but this felt straight up biased lol. Love the Mazda!

[@timobolka1]

Chris Harris has been saying that for YEARS! While the MX5 is good, it's heavily overrated.

[@delta_13]

While i love the mx5, you clearly havent read many comparisons.

[@ajr5195]

@@delta_13 I’ve owned an ap1 s2000, ap2 s2000, wrx, c5 zo6, ND1, ND2, and I’ve driven several 86’s (not gr86). The nd2 engine is anything but dull. I might have missed it but I thought the car in this video was ND2 not ND1. If it is an ND1 the dull claim is justified but it’s still not terrible. I have an open mind about cars and would like to give a GR86 a go. I doubt it will replace my fun light hearted roadster.

[@delta_13]

@@ajr5195 You clearly have more experience than me. But this isn't the first time i hear the word dull while describing nd mx5s, if i recall correctly it was mainly about the suspension setup and lack of chassis rigidity. Calling it dull in a standalone test would be unfair imo, but from what i've heard the GR86 is really quite special.

[@raketmakhim2163]

I had my i20n for 4 and a half months now and already done 7000 miles on it. I just keep wanting to drive it. so much fun!

[@jakubkolomicenko5838]

I have it for almost a year and it still the same… regardless of how bad day I had, sitting in this brings smile to my face ❤

[@UTubeSL]

Stunning little thing. Have had the i30N pretty much since launch and still get the same thrill from it!

[@Salmon_Toastie]

@@UTubeSL Hyundai have really hit the nail with their N range, the elantra is the only one i dislike personally though.

[@spamansh1710]

If every person on earth drove a GR86 the world would be a happier place

[@Twinguin]

Basically I agree, but I do need a convertible in my life -- therefore I had to trade my GT86.

[@dfsdh432v9]

i saw Hyundai i20 on highway caught on Fire few weeks ago , the driver was not happy.

[@proxigenated]

but would it make me happier than my already superb Abarth Ritmo 130T?

[@MrLense]

At this rate we can only get gt86s

[@1Solace]

Yes​@@proxigenated

[@spraynpray]

That was the longest toyota commercial I've ever seen. Almost mentioned the other cars.

[@Anamnesis]

As an owner of an MX-5 Club Edition with the BBS/Brembo/Recaro/Bilstein package, I'll testify that several of the nitpicks made here of the car being a bit soft are alleviated with that setup. Seems only fair that if you've got kitted out versions of all the other cars that you should also be running a kitted out MX-5 against them...

[@muhammadmore]

We don't get that version in the UK unfortunately, we only get those pieces of kit with the 30ae which you can only buy second hand

[@andyhart5669]

@@muhammadmore I'd have gone the other way and gone for a base model 1.5, the most fun you can have for the money. Surprised at the comments about the MX-5 engine, other than how you drive it makes a big difference. Its fine around town at low revs, but really starts to sing about 4,000 and happily keeps pulling to 7,000.

[@65hi863dhyu]

They still lack torsional rigidity. GR86 is 3x stiffer and that is a big deal.

[@davidrbrtsn]

Yeah I found this clip frustrating because they're not acknowledging that firstly, the 'body control' issues are just easily-modded with suspension upgrades and secondly, that the stock MX-5's soft suspension means great ride and everyday usability that none of the others have (even Hyundai)

[@omnicognatee]

@@muhammadmore We do, it's just called something different. the Homura spec one has all the same stuff as the 30th, you just can't get it in orange

[@skullft7731]

I love the MX5! It’s a proper twists and turns road kind of car, probably explains why I’ve never really seen any on a motorway

[@keithprinn720]

needs a sporty version more power and torques, brakes and suspension.

[@stef7396]

@@keithprinn720 just chip tune it to like 200hp, put some track suspension on it and voila... a absulute track weapon and fun af

[@Bmontepeque11]

Light, Analog, Fun Affordable Sports Cars are the best cars out there at any price point 🧐❤️ (The GR 86 is my favorite of these 🥰)

[@jameswillard1]

1:02 Jesus Christ…..who did the body work on the front bumper of the Miata 😳

[@AutopiaUK]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 The Braille Bodyshop

[@yay842]

A funny-speaking monkey aka a British lad

[@clubdevoiture1618]

I thought that

[@Blight-fp3vt]

Plastic bumpers will always have certain badly looking paint matching in some certain lights, compared to on the metal.

[@jameswillard1]

@@Blight-fp3vt I’m well aware that metal versus plastic will always have some small variations but that is excessive and Soul Red Crystal is known for being an extremely hard color to match for a lot of body shops because of the multiple layers/processes it requires to get a proper result

[@MFitz12]

I did 9 days of solo camping in a Subaru BRZ last fall. All the kit and me fit, averaged near 35 mpg.

[@davevan9150]

Driving beside the Caterham made the 86 look enormous.

[@Grudlin74]

Why use MPG and then talk in litres used. Seriously commit to metric it just makes your life simpler 🤣

[@jimiverson3085]

With that fuel mileage, the Caterham is clearly the practical choice.....

[@ResevoirGod]

I’d still have the Mx5, especially with the option of getting a BBR conversion

[@expert_procrastinator]

Agree the suspension and steering on the MX5 could be better, but calling the 2.0 litre engine dull, huh?! It's a joy, right up to the 7,500 rpm red line! 🔥 🔥

[@TeamHorneyRacing]

Also if you option the £200 sports springs it makes a huge difference.

[@balazspinter4832]

I got lowering springs and antiroll bars as well as Michelin pilot sport 5 tires on it... proper alignment, it would show a thing or two for him

[@jdsk8914]

@@balazspinter4832 amazing!

[@expert_procrastinator]

@@TeamHorneyRacing that's good to hear as I think that's my next mod! 🔧

[@r.i.peperoniiiiroh9625]

True I just went to Germany and drove 220 kmh that engine wants to go up till like 200 it’s all about shifting gears then you go to the end of 5th gear and then you actually gotta go to 6th for the max speed truly a pleasure I only feared that the hood would let go since it vibrated a bit but it also was a windy day sp could be it too Car was stock ND2 2.0L 6 speed manual RF version Funny thing about the day was that I got passed by a Mini Cooper JCW I think he got like 240kmh where I was cruising at 220

[@KKOKAJ]

Keep up the good job guys, more of those group reviews please. That mx5 front bumper is triggering my OCD 😅

[@dafiltafish]

The adjectives used to describe the Miata are like what I might use on a Chevrolet Malibu, seriously who at Mazda pissed in your oatmeal?

[@R19Robbin]

Always fun to see these sort a budget cars

[@TheImperfectGuy]

mx5 is barely budget these days is it now

[@sajinsanand]

It interesting to see people attaching ‘budget’ to these cars. I am not sure when did £30k become so small to most people. These cars offers what an average car enthusiasts would want from a usable sports car and luckily these companies are still able to offer these cars for right price. If the badge was changed to something more flashy, then people would pay £15k more and happy with that I guess. Can anyone with Lambo, Ferrari or any super cars or even performance versions of german cars can have similar level of fun on normal roads like these cars? I know I am comparing apples to pears, but people need to appreciate things by its merits not by its value.

[@_Frozen_mamba_]

budget? are you sure about that?

[@99Lezard99]

he talks about the gt86 as if it was a total loss. the gt86 is still a great handling thing. even with its flat spot in the torque curve.

[@GM-fh5jp]

It might be a good handler but its sooo slow. I took one for a test drive on release...loved the steering and gearbox but it felt like someone had stolen the engine.

[@99Lezard99]

@@GM-fh5jp ive driven one like 3 years after release and i thought while it surely wasnt fast it delivered a decent enough go from 5-7k. its like a mk3 miata/mx5 but with a fixed roof. price is also on that Level. imo only problem is, it looks faster then it is. but thats subjective. and they hold thier value. i would buy one if they were a bit cheaper.

[@GM-fh5jp]

@@99Lezard99 The problem was I have a very fast MR2 Turbo and jumping from that into the GT86 was pretty disappointing...it felt like a Corolla performance wise yet looked like a hot new beast. The GR is what is should have been at launch.

[@mickeystanic4750]

​​@@GM-fh5jpCorolla and GT86?!? Now, that's mental. Jumping from my BMW 128i (3L 240HS) into my GT86RS2 I never thought " Oh this car is slow!" The only thing I said was" This steering is much lighter than the BMW's hydraulic one.

[@gregsmith1798]

Why is it that Toyota gets all the credit for any improvements to the BRZ/86.

[@frankberben-grsfjeld4726]

I would have liked to see the MX5 with sport pack and stiffer factory springs. Would have been a much better comparison to the other cars here. It greatly improves body control and agility.

[@gmony1552]

Its not clear but in the description the cars are listed as sub-30k. With the sports pack the Miata goes over 30k. So this is actually a fair comparison

[@NoClipping1337]

I'm pretty sure all Miatas use the same springs and switch between standard and Bilstein dampers. Not sure if it's the same in the UK as here in the US but in the US the leather seats would = Grand Touring, which has the Bilsteins. I have a GT with Bilsteins and factory springs and am shocked at how terrible it handles. I either need to downrate to the lower-model shocks or uprate the springs to something that matches the factory Bilsteins better.

[@Miky9560]

@@NoClipping1337 in europe we can have sports/lowering springs as a factory option, no matter what damper the car has (normal or bilstein) it's totally different as we also have 2 engines here (1.5l or 2.0l)

[@frankberben-grsfjeld4726]

@@NoClipping1337 I can’t recommend the stiffer factory (Eibach) lowering springs enough. They transform the car. They greatly reduce body roll without sacrificing comfort. I dont understand why Mazda didn’t fit these as standard on all MX5!

[@frankberben-grsfjeld4726]

@@gmony1552 just the stiffer factory springs without the sports pack (bilstein dampers and LSD) would already have made a huge difference. These springs would add only a few hundred EUR to the price but the car would have been a much better match handling wise. They transform the car.

[@Twinguin]

Cannot agree more: Roadtrips with good friends are just the best thing!

[@TerribleUsernameAmirite]

3:15 oh my god, the sneaky Alfa Montreal there. Suddenly that museum is a bucket list item for me. Hopefully it’s a permanent part of the collection.

[@vipe650r]

Great video and great cars. Period. I do wish it was a bit more diverse as far as who’s talking. Totally understand why it wasn’t on this trip, it just feels a bit off-kilter to have 4 people involved and one person doing all the talking. Great trip. Great cars. Great presentation of each car. And that looks like a great fun adventure.

[@mattevans4377]

I hate to say it, but I'd take the i20N home. It makes the other cars seem pointless, because you have the sports car feel, with a practical 5 door hatch, and for cheaper.

[@MISTERLeSkid]

I made it to almost 7 minutes. I have never seen ANY car show go on and on about vagueries and generic comments without a single specification or anything remotely specific or interesting for car enthusiasts.

[@Tommy-BB]

98% of car journalism in a nutshell.

[@benmarr352]

Have had both Caterham and Westfield's as only car. Its just a state of mind. That was 30 years ago though!

[@kignacio]

Agreed. I’ve never driven one but as a year round motorcyclist, a Caterham sounds downright luxurious

[@lynnmckenney1987]

Tragedy that there wasn't a fiesta st in the mix, but awesome video!

[@davidhuysmans67]

I'm so happy to get my GR86 in about to weeks. 😍Not so happy about the increase in taxes by 20% over here in Belgium. 3200 GBP registration tax and a road tax of 633 GBP/year. 🤑

[@buntafujiwara3586]

Congratulations! You will enjoy every minute.

[@MrJmrk92]

I just recently did a 7000km road trip along the East Coast of Canada in a Miata NB, and it was amazing! The clutch broke twice along the trip ( typical parts to go), but otherwise, solid and so fun to drive topless! #miatacoast2coast

[@GM-fh5jp]

Two clutches in 7K? nothing typical about that, mate.

[@MrJmrk92]

Its an older car, 2001. First the slave cylinder went, but I was in the middle of nowhere, so had to revmatch to keep driving to a bigger city, which damaged the master cylinder enough to need replacing. So 2 components of the clutch system, not the whole thing.

[@GM-fh5jp]

@@MrJmrk92 Ouch...ain't it always the way? Typically you could drive an MX5 around the world and never worry about a clutch but a road trip with friends...Oh well :) I know that feeling...drove my RX4 Coupe across Australia(with friends in a convoy) and the bloody battery died on the way back :/

[@MrJmrk92]

@@GM-fh5jp I don't think we ever got the RX4 in Canada, i definitely haven't seen them, thats a great looking Pony car, the muscle car for the more sensible folks! 👍

[@GM-fh5jp]

@@MrJmrk92 Yep they were awesome. Very fast for their day with the 13B rotary engine, awesome interior with all green lighting in the dashboard with an over head console which was very Star Trek in 1974, reliable and handled pretty well. Worth a fortune these days due to rarity...I've heard over $US 120K for a good one now. If only I'd kept it...traded it in for a midnight blue Datsun 240Z which was a worth successor 👍

[@Ginbaubabe]

Slightly firmer damping will transform the MX5’s handling. N there’s no need for the GT model featured or even the top of range RS - save all the extra dosh to hone the base Roadster trim with a set of better dampers and a fruitier exhaust 😂

[@EvanMoon]

Any car that has the fenders connected to the wheels and the steering have to be awesome

[@petrolpoodle]

Loved: - Especially considering this is online content and hasn't got the budget of TV at all, it felt like a very authentic blend of Top Gear challenges (without the scripted 'oh no' moments) and the cheerful and honest Fifth Gear bits we all love. Everyone just seemed like they were on an actual road trip and not playing up to a camera which is refreshing for KZbin! - Format is great and fun bringing the real-world costs into it, especially the totals at the end as all of us watching are going to want to know what it'd actually cost us to go and do these things all-in. - Cinematography also superb, as a videographer I appreciate it all! For next time: - I loved hearing Ollie's opinion and it gives everything an easy sense of comparison/flow but a few more soundbites from the rest of the team would be great. Having edited for years, I do get that it'd increase the workload by nearly 4x if everyone spoke as much, so fair enough if the budget/time is the restriction. - I've also only recently messed up audio of a shoot myself so can't throw rocks at all but some better audio in-car would be great. The Tascam DR-10L (£160 all-in) can run a safety track of audio alongside the main one so you never have clipping/peaking sound when there's excited shouting over the top of revving engines. It's also got amazing dynamic range for its price. - Just keep doing it! Loved this video!

[@AdAstra78]

There's a fine line between 'subjectivity' and just talking rubbish. This video is a good example of crossing that line.

[@themancuniancandidate2744]

I recently watched a documentary about racing drivers here in Australia, and what they drive for fun when they're off track. Every single one of them either had an MX5 or a GT86/GR86. Calling the MX5 dull when you're in a Toyota is like calling Cameron Diaz dull when you're married to a checkout girl at the local supermarket

[@93455Driver]

Great video and great to see Wook again, he was a good presenter on Fifth Gear. Wish the I30N and I20N hatches were available in the US, the Veloster door arrangement is weird and the Elantra N is too big.

[@joeknight6151]

funny, cos we wish we had the elantra and veloster over here in england XD wish we could ALL have ALL of them hahaha

[@93455Driver]

@@joeknight6151 The Elantra N is a great sedan (saloon), but not as practical as a hot hatch. The Veloster feels like a gimmick with 2 doors on one side and 1 on the other, but the N version is def. a hot hatch. No Fiesta ST, GR Yaris, etc. over here as well......but we do have Chevy Tahoes :)

[@joeknight6151]

@@93455Driver the way it is defo suits their markets though. hatchbacks have always been the most common cars over here so the i30n and i20n have the biggest potential markets. weve got the Kona N aswell but SUVs are everywhere. the elantra and Veloster wouldn't sell as well over here, though we do have the i30 fastback N which is less common and a more saloon-style car. I've got the i30n facelift and have to say i wouldn't change it, absolutely love it we love a hot hatch over here. because of car prices its the best way to get performance and practicality in one

[@93455Driver]

@@joeknight6151 It is true that hot hatches are not as popular here than in the UK, but old Fiesta STs, GTIs, and a few others are pretty popular. I have been looking to swap my GTI Mk7 for a new Golf R but demand is way higher than supply! Same goes for the GR Corolla :/

[@joeknight6151]

@@93455Driver yeah you do get some decent hot hatches. But our market is absolutely flooded with them. Do you have a34/45s, rs3, m140i? Nearly every brand that does hatchbacks has a performance version. Even the i10 has an N-line with about 100bhp 😂 One thing we don’t have is your muscles though ☹️ we’ve got mustangs and that’s about it haha. Though we do have the German muscles like c63 (now a 2 litre though :( ) and old M cars

[@masdzulfikar6201]

It's been a while since I played FH4, but they really nailed the feeling of British country side.

[@billshoe22191]

Congrats on taking the most interesting cars available today and making them.. not interesting. No one cars about efficiency from vehicles that all together weigh less than one EV. 25 minute video with 1 minutes of actual fun driving

[@Ginbaubabe]

The updated engine in the ND2 is definitely not dull. It’s keen to rev and very torquey compared to my other car which is a R53 JCW

[@EvanMcC240]

GREAT VIDEO. Can you do a similar hot-hatch road trip with the new CTR and others?

[@mrboodi]

Unpopular opinion: KZbin topgear is better than TV topgear

[@MegaRetr]

Great vid guys. Love a road trip

[@dominicrusho]

Who else winced at them filling up the GR86 with cheap supermarket fuel?

[@deathaura40s]

Great video, loved it! I did get a chuckle out of the tyre wear prices though as an i20N owner - would love it if I got 20k out of mine, but with less than 3mm of rubber left on the fronts after 3500 miles, I don't think so!

[@jamesbarnes8338]

The p zeros are like that. Just get Eagle f1s instead.

[@ZoidPickle]

Great video boys, i did a real World test in my mx5 nc, final Edition. For £71 of fuel, i got 450 Miles. This was only a month ago. Also with the heating on, stereo, Lights. The GR is a good car. Its Just getting your hands on one. Any that have not been snapped Up, will go way over sticker price.

[@andrazstrmcnik2331]

That is what pisses me of about there “tests” is they clearly live in a bubble and can just get and swap cars with a snap of a finger and never have to actually pay for anything, show me a new gr86 for under 30k and I will buy it on the spot that toyota in reality is the most expensive car of the lot

[@tdyerwestfield]

I stopped in that motor museum when something had pierced the steering column and caused the steering fluid to leak. Nice place.

[@keithprinn720]

paying for parking for grabbing a break and meal? no way would I stop then. paying for a tent perfect prep for the caterham lol

[@thoomish3556]

Losing the thread of what should really be considered 'budget' imo

[@toby319]

Wow it would be really great if I could actually get a GR86 in Britain, more than the initial production run of 430

[@kignacio]

What was this 22:37 will only be sold for 2 years talk? I’m in North America, but can you elaborate on this?

[@djm_852]

@@kignacio it won’t meet euro crash regulations in a couple of years

[@lynnmckenney1987]

Great comparison! Gotta include the fiest st if you do a similar comparison in the future!

[@benediktbaetz4996]

For me the best car is the Toyota GR86, i love this car.

[@Howdy606]

Totally agree. Its in a totally different class to the Mazda and Hyundai..

[@khazzzzzz]

8:55 ; just look at how different Mazda's Red is compared to the rest.

[@MegaTechpc]

It’s still so sad that this is the Top Gear we are stuck with in 2023. And don’t get me wrong, it’s not that it’s a bad show (in fact it’s a pretty decent car show if I’m honest), but it’s just not Top Gear anymore. Without James, Jeremy, and Richard this show ceases to be a magical experience and is just what it is; another car show. The originals were simply irreplaceable and to continue carrying on after all these years as though it’s still the same show is just blasphemous. The BBC should have done the only decent thing when they sacked Clarkson and retired the TG name. Call this show something else; ANYTHING else. But stop pretending that you can resurrect the magic of old TG with new presenters. It’s just not as good, not nearly as good, and it never will be.

[@coxbright]

I loved it when it was Clarkson, Hammond and May. But I think they've absolutely nailed it with Haris, Flintoff and McGuiness. It's still Top Gear.

[@HIOP0]

THANK G-D THERE ARE IRREPLACEABLE, TOTAL 4R5EH0L3S.

[@DuelingPeaks]

So go and watch The Grand Tour? It's basically the same show.

[@christianwiesenreiter6558]

the miata

[@jameswillard1]

Nah, I’m a 2021 MX-5 owner and even I’d take the GR86. I hate to admit it but Ollie is right, the car is a floppy mess in corners and the engine is super boring and lacks character. It’s fun with the top down but there are areas that could withstand a lot of improvement

[@balazspinter4832]

@Delano mx5 owners are OLD folks. It's a kinda retirement treat for them! This is why suspension is not hardcore! However, for as little as £500 you can get lowering springs and antiroll bars, which unlock the potential of the chassis. Especially if you spice it up with Michelin pilot sport 5 tires. Engine is a masterpiece. I absolutely love it. Looks beautiful and sounds nice to Especially over 5500 all the way 7.5k.

[@r.i.peperoniiiiroh9625]

@@jameswillard1nah the GR86 has oil issues so I wouldn’t go with that otherwise great car But Mazda is more reliable aside from that they have been consistently working on it unlike the GR86 also with this ND the small issues are fixed like the dull 2L engine is now better tuned and the clutch is heavier for longer use instead of lighter due to people not having the skill to rev match properly

[@r.i.peperoniiiiroh9625]

@@balazspinter4832yup I (21) recently bought a NDRF and I went to join the mx5 club and there where a lot of old folks I actually expected more young folk but it is a very civilised community who all really love driving

[@BM_PAZ]

I do a 120 mile daily commute in my i20N and I usually get around 50-52mpg. Impressive, although it’s not really a comfortable commuting car.

[@miljanivanko2312]

Thank you guys,fantastic video

[@relentlesspursuit6894]

Non of the above - The GR Yaris is what you need, they picked the wrong Toyota

[@Aearonjer]

Love the 86. Never liked convertibles.

[@loutcolas3025]

Mazda mx5 "rf" 😍

[@jdsk8914]

Love the RF!

[@STAG162]

I'm getting a whiff of old Top Gear with these segments...

[@davidstorm4015]

MX5 body roll is easily and cheaply fixed with stiffer ARB's and I've never heard anyone else saying that it has a dull engine! Maybe it's just a dull motoring journalist?

[@tommogun3]

Shame there taking all this away from us 😢!

[@Captn_Slow]

The GR86 is literally a rare beast, simply because there're only 400 in total sold in the UK and they're all sold out, so you can't get one now if you haven't already.

[@ashypravs4866]

We get both the GR and MX in South Africa. Both are just fabulous Machines! So I'm okay with that

[@alexlee-isted5046]

I cannot wait for our red GR86 to arrive. Toyota UK have said Q4 2023 as one of the very last orders but hopefully it comes through sooner!

[@kignacio]

So why won’t they be sold after 2023? I don’t understand why this would be?

[@alexlee-isted5046]

@@kignacio It is due to some EU legislation that the car does not meet without extensive rework so it can only be sold in the UK and Europe for 2 years.

[@davidzhang1704]

Comparing to the MX5, the biggest letdown of the GR86 is its poor throttle calibration. The throttle response is slow. It feels disconnected and non linear. It also has a fair bit of rev hang. The gear change has a short throw. However, it feels vague and lacks precision.

[@chrisleech333]

This program has gone completely down the crapper. Have some dignity and give it a rest

[@ChrisWalksFast]

The new gr86 is only being sold for 2 years?? Is that true?

[@mr.cookie7308]

They need to give that GR86 about 270hp. Also, take out that Subaru engine and put in a Toyota engine. Subaru is notorious for building bad engines.

[@shobhitchaudhry5606]

no idea where you bought that for less than 30k

[@itaybutavia1204]

Thank you for great lovely video

[@lucaj-v23]

Why is the MX5's front bumper a different red to the rest of the car?

[@Faxie83]

Paint protection film maybe?

[@barneyrubble9309]

BBR mx5 is my dream machine.

[@Korhona]

What you guys are just not mentionning is the 12+ months wait to get the hyundai ....

[@jimross5838]

And GR86 is not for sale

[@tizianozannin7625]

11 months for my 170😢

[@rodshop5897]

If only that Caterham 170 could come across the pond. Although I'd go with the 170 S.

[@abdalazizalshaalan7808]

Fuel economy test on a sports car ? Look how they massacred my boy

[@AdzSONLINE]

41 mpg would be bliss, my Focus ST does 31 😂

[@DuelingPeaks]

My brother's Focus RS does 18 😬😬

[@epauletteshark1291]

This ain't top gear, it's first gear💀

[@Herbal69]

Loving the chemistry and dynamic between the guys.

[@HIOP0]

BLINK AND YOU'LL MISS IT!

[@mariosnikolaou5212]

Guys please use metric also, not only imperial....

[@intermixturemusic]

I have seen almost every episode of Top Gear ... and I'd rather watch LeBlanc than this guy. Just too factual and no life to his delivery. Is it just me?

[@mattciara7667]

Why not use a new Mini instead of Caterham?

[@TinLeadHammer]

Because the stone-age Caterham is probably the only car post-Brexit Britain can call its own, so it is these to boost the morale. I cannot stand how ancient this thing looks, not to mention it is the least practical.

[@chrisbike77]

Welsh roadtrip in October ?!? No Problem . Came up from Switzerland to South Wales ,back to the family's origins, had 25 % rain, 25% clouds & 50% sunny weather with temperatures from 5°C to 22°C ...soooo, wrong part of Wales for you 4?!?

[@anthonybariek997]

The biggest problem with GR86 is availability. Toyota are only making low numbers and most of the ones being made are either staying in Japan or going to the US. They’re so hard to get hold of that (as of this moment in time) AutoTrader has half a million cars listed for sale but actually has less GR86’s for sale than they do Bugatti Veyron’s. It means if you want one good luck finding one.

[@mickeystanic4750]

Toyota's making zero of those since 2012.

[@andrejlukac1783]

Mx5 is great car, but biggest weakness is that engine, 185hp is seriously not enough

[@Yumemaru.]

I'm sorry that you had to drive through Brum.

[@Weakcarslover]

it always amazes me the meaning of affordable in the UK 🤣

[@spraynpray]

Owning a car in the UK is like owning a second home in the US.

[@80y3r9]

Better than watching people nobbing about in hyper compensators

[@hydrotricine]

The only problem of the Mx-5 is the stock suspension, like the previous gt86 was let down by the silly Primacy tires. Some cheap lowering springs or some coilovers and its a transformed car, for me the obvious choice of that bunch

[@HIOP0]

THE "ONLY PROBLEM" IS THAT YOU DO NOT AND WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE REASONS THAT PRIMACY TYRES WERE OE IN THE FIRST PLACE...LOOK IT UP.

[@mickeystanic4750]

Is the firm suspension answer to every chassis...especially ones that are not proper stiff.?

[@hydrotricine]

@@mickeystanic4750 No, luckily in 2024 we have great options in consumer grade suspension, the term "firm" is nothing without the term "valving". Don't forget that the mx5 is around 1000kg and has modest wheel sizes, you don't need really high spring rates, you just need proper ride height and control, add to that a good fast road alignment ( the angles are completely adjustable from factory) and you have the best handler of this generation without going into exotic car money. The only negative aspect is the electric power steering that robs it of the feeling of the first Mx5 generations

[@mickeystanic4750]

@@hydrotricine There are many owners of gt86 who after trying more grippy tires realized that HP Primacy (they are not the Prius tires) are good synergy between power, grip and fun on the street.

[@nazc0]

So lame. I know Clarkston would have floored it when he said setting off gently... This is like reading an advertisement article of the cars but having to watch it.

[@siamiam]

it was a overall well made video but at the same time i was bored

[@SpeedStrengthJames]

I think the i20N would be my favourite of these!

[@maoinc13]

That wasn't a car museum it looks more like a junkyard !! 😁😁😁

[@LightBranches]

It takes one to know one.

[@gianlucapatriarca7516]

I'd not doubt about the Caterham winning. Simply it's better than the others...

[@entertainingandfun2719]

This is what the world has to offer for *modern* affordable *light weight* sports cars? It’s so sad. We hardly have any options. Heavy luxury cars with lots of horse power like a bmw are not true sports cars.

[@melangeken]

Good quality on the microphone guys, a little bit more practice and you'll be a reputable car outlet in no time!

[@Showmetheevidence-]

Why would you add food costs to the trip... the idea is a comparison of cars (& THEIR costs) not whether someone had a more expensive curry or not. That was an odd choice.

[@behavedave]

I’m confused by the i20n, I’m sure it’s great an all but the other cars are cars you’d want to buy and the Hyundai is a car you’d whittle down to from a list and settle for because it’s a sensible option.

[@ruipedrosilva7879]

What's the point of this video? Almost 26 minutes of nonsense stats and poor driving skills. Also, calling the Mazda 2.0 liter 184 hp engine "dull" says everything about the reviewer's driving style.

[@jryalls]

Just because it has 2 litres and 184hp doesn’t make it exciting. Personally I think that engine lacks character.

[@balazspinter4832]

@Seen Through Haggis if you call the ND2 engine dull, you made me curious to ask what a heck do you drive??? A 2.0 engine that has 200.nm of torque little over 2000 rpm pushes 184 bhp and complies with the Euro 6d regulation and revs till 7.5k rpm and sounds nice over 5.5 k rpm. What do you want more???

[@marekb3885]

@@balazspinter4832 Hyundai have 1.6 l (benzin, turbo, 4 cyl.!) - 204 HP and 275 Nm (in overboost for seconds 305 Nm) and for me its also a bit dull. But in corners bits all that cars.