2024 Fiat 500e | Priced Out of Existence

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Are you ready for the new electric Fiat 500e, which launches Stellantis's next-generation platform? This city car is priced lovingly to compete with the Tesla Model 3 and Ioniq 5. Yet, it is more expensive than a Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, and Hyundai Elantra ICE. Which would you choose?
#cars #engineering #business
Index:
00:00 Interior and Exterior
1:39 Avoid Layoffs By Eating at Your Desk or Car
4:34 Mechanical Impressions
6:25 Driving Impressions
11:37 Final Thoughts

[@VTECnKitKats]

Last time I was this early I got a mortgage at 3% and got a manual transmission with no dealer markup

[@MM9Productionz]

bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 💀💀💀💀

[@braydenbro9247]

I work at a dealership, and this is a foreign concept now lol

[@Hallowsaw]

Man i was so close... i got 3.5% and a traditional 5 speed auto

[@toyotaprius79]

Profits and Inflation are an incestuous relationship. Like a snake eating its own tail, or a monarchy

[@toyotaprius79]

​@@braydenbro9247 my what margin does your boss own in portion to your wages?

[@Murgledoo]

I wish my parents loved me as much as Mark loves putting goofy Italian music in these Fiat and Alfa Romeo videos.

[@sappyjohnson]

That's classical Italian music. Nothing goofy about it. Can you apologize?

[@toyotaprius79]

They do love you They're just jealous

[@geraldbennett7035]

blame Mark? Blame Italians!

[@Oosh21]

I'd done a little jig before I even realised.

[@ikaros4203]

that's amoreeeeee

[@CarswithMiles]

RIP Red Lobster

[@cbotten106]

No more Endless Shrimp.

[@darioschaeffer5513]

Red Lobster 🦞 in places in inland USA made sense, but on the coasts, 😂😂😂 bruuuhhh tf were they thinking

[@cisforcookies]

Nobody in the history of KZbin ads has made a better ad for Factor than Savageesee.

[@humorss]

still makes zero sense to eat anything other than whole food though, I would fast for days just to avoid eating shitty food.

[@aimveryhigh]

@@humorssyou sound like you have a small appendige

[@rickyrosario9109]

I still don't know what I actually saw. It felt brilliant, but I don't know...

[@O2TG]

The ads are stupid, I skip them every time. I pay for KZbin premium so I don't have to watch these ridiculous ads. Imagine having KZbin basic with ads and having to watch an ad in the video. Just for KZbin to hit you with another ad at the end. Hard pass.

[@1Icehawk1]

@@O2TG no, this ad... you want to watch. It's just surreal and I can't believe Factor went with it.

[@sm_flys]

1:03 A company falling to design something as simple as a door handle without it breaking so instead they replace it with an electronic button is the perfect representation of the modern automotive industry.

[@mcnuggetapple]

I still don’t see where this comes from having owned 2 500s for years including a 500e. I open and close doors like a retard and have never broken one

[@DDd-hr6mz]

I've owned two 500s and I've been active on Fiat owners message boards. I have never heard of this issue. We're talking over 10 years.

[@arivette2010]

​@@DDd-hr6mz my mom's Fiat was literally falling off. Door handles included. She traded in for an Acura and hasn't had any issues ever since.

[@LGMARG1983]

I owed 4 fiat 500, sport, cabrio, abarth and E, only one time the hanlde broke, and I fixed myself at home. Fiat has many many models with door handles that dont breal, this one has the electric button because it is an EV.

[@omnimoeish]

They couldn't design a gas engine either so they put an electric motor in it.

[@sergeikulichkov7748]

It costs 24.5k in Germany and cheapest Tesla is 41k

[@sappyjohnson]

In the US, the Tesla is 40K but you get a $7500 tax credit. So, it's very comparable in price and the Fiat isn't even remotely close in value to a Tesla. I honestly don't know how Fiat can sell a single car.

[@calebwany8422]

@@sappyjohnson You underestimate women

[@ouch9326]

@@calebwany8422 nowdays they are largley the "f you" types, they dont care about cute posatiev aesthetic as mch as they do care about pretending to be a man in the game of "im richer than you, fuk you since i feel peer pressure worshiping anxiety every time i see you(everyone)" and "i feel greater anxiety so i wanna feel safe in a masculine hummer of a car". these nonsense ideals are just the shift to a new world orger culture, more lyalty to the careless of the elite, less to each other. im suprised they even tried to sell such a car especially at this price

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

don't they offer a lower capacity cheaper battery option for Europe? We only get the relatively big battery here.

[@sappyjohnson]

@@calebwany8422 🤣 true

[@kevinbarry71]

They should be congratulated, they made a car with a much higher price and an even worse range than the Nissan leaf

[@dcmackintosh]

No CHAdeMO, though.

[@Jimster481]

@@dcmackintosh No worries about that with adapters, but really the LEAF was built for commuting and local drives. Just charge at home, no Chademo needed. Nissan LEAF is ultra reliable though.

[@djbrianc]

@ $36,000 plus( the only Nissan leaf SV that has more range) is more expensive than the 500e. The base leaf has the same range and yes that is $28,000 plus. But no more range.

[@Jimster481]

@@djbrianc yes but there are discounts.

[@danhall3450]

@@djbrianc But way more room & comfort. That said Fiat wins in sex appeal category

[@qwerty69600]

Every hot 21 year old European girl drives a 500 btw. They're designed for Euros who live in congested cities, small roads, no parking, etc etc. I've no idea why they're selling this in a country where the average vehicle weighs the same as an average Euro's studio apartments.

[@stefanomarchi3542]

Yeah, it's mathematic

[@Affalterbach1967]

As a compliance car, Stellantis can sell one Hellcat for each 500e on the road. That was the thinking a decade ago. Now, only the 500e survives.

[@cbotten106]

Compliance as in CARB compliance to continue to do business in California.

[@FlowStateNewOrleans]

If this had a 200 mile range, was $10k less, and had a glass roof, I'd consider it as a city dweller in the sunbelt.

[@Chinese080808]

Welcome to Chinese EVs 😉

[@VolkerHett]

I get 200 miles in city traffic from my 500e convertible. No glas in the retractable roof, though :D

[@Chinese080808]

@@VolkerHett a lack of a much more affordable price is the deal breaker unless living expenses or wages increase substantially.

[@antibureaucrat]

That's called a (extinct) Chevy Bolt - Seems whenever GM makes an OK-to-good car they kill it off; RIP Bolt

[@piedpiper1172]

@@antibureaucratRIP all decent hatchbacks tbh. They either don’t exist at all anymore (Bolt, Sonic, Veloster, Fit, etc) or they’ve been grotesquely transformed into vehicles that look like hatchbacks but are priced like luxury sedans (50k+ Civic R….). Even the Mazda 3 is nearly impossible to find for under 30k, despite theoretically starting at 24k (still way too much for a base hatchback). The hatchback has always been the ultimate “do it all car.” Efficient like a sedan, hot variants fun like a coupe, but practical for carrying things like an SUV (without all the extra weight, drag, or crash incompatibility), and affordable. But those are almost all gone. The closest you can get are a slew of crossovers, which are just… bad hatchbacks, or bad SUVs depending on your perspective. If you wanted a hatch, they’re far too big and heavy, if you wanted a SUV they’re far too small and lacking in genuine capability.

[@jblyon2]

Fiat looked at the bZ4X, actually thought it was a good concept, and said "hold my gelato"

[@wccrispy]

I literally just looked on AutoTrader. Used 2023 bZ4X for just under $34K. Less than 5K miles.

[@Syncopia]

Fiat would be the company to envy a bz4x.

[@jblyon2]

@@Syncopia "I don't even have a piece of shit, I have to envy yours"

[@Iceeeen]

This is the same drive line you find in everything from Stelantis totday, peugeot, citroen, opel, fiat, jeep, dodge and Toyota. I could go outside and take a Picture of the "engine bay" of the Toyota Proace van I have as a company car. It looks exactly the same. Only a bigger battery pack. The body is the old 500 with some facelifts thrown on. It looks like most parts will even fit on the older 500. and the drive train is extremely inefficient. It stupidly bad designed. Even the older bosch 500e sold only in California was a much better designed car from drive train perspective

[@as94583]

I'm with Mark, I love that this exists and it certainly fills a niche for folks who live in urban areas and can charge at home. America needs more cars like this, everything is turning into an NPC CUV blob or a heavy duty pickup truck. We need small, simple cars, but they need to be affordable. For $20K I would seriously consider it. But this price is crazy.

[@HaggardBacon]

Great car for a Francesca that grew up well off in Long Island but moved to NYC. Car bankrolled by parents, will inevitably end up hammered at 1am at the bar with a dead battery, crying for her ex Shayydenn

[@pk4459]

Shayydenn dodged a bullet.

[@LongIslandMopars]

That's hysterical and true...🤣

[@gatorfred8]

So this will $15000 in 6 months.

[@_que]

That’s the time to buy this for giggles

[@blackcow8114]

with less battery capacity

[@TML34]

*3 months

[@BTC909]

8 years or 100K miles whichever comes first, it's a throwaway car.

[@aaronbrown6266]

And that's still too much money.

[@user-vx7vi3vq1c]

Didn’t know hotdogs had a urethra. Thank you.

[@misternordberg3675]

Mark buys special ones.

[@CaptRod]

Hahahahahhaha

[@rockino2562]

Oh man 😂😂😂

[@_zigger_]

Isn't nature wonderful?

[@lucasokeefe7935]

There is absolutely no reason to buy this over any other vehicle

[@mitchellsteindler]

You like how it looks, you like how it handles, you like how small it is, you dont need a lot of range, you like visiting your local dodge dealer for electeical service.

[@marioformicadae6637]

I'd buy one for the fuck of it

[@marioformicadae6637]

If I was rich, that is

[@DimitarStanev]

This is not a car for yankees

[@aross924]

You beat me to the comment

[@rdm415]

"Savagegeese promotions are the only promotions I never skip through." -Abe Lincoln

[@Eternal_Tinsel]

While this car is probably too small and pricey for the U.S., I really hope we start getting Corolla-sized hatchback EVs instead of endless EV SUVs and crossovers. The Tesla Model 3 and Chevy Bolt EV are the only “mainstream”, normal car sized EVs on the American market

[@aussie2uGA]

There's just no profit in the smaller cars. Trucks showed manufactures what real profits looked like so small & sedans have all but disappeared.

[@sachinnair91]

Carmakers are too greedy. They love the fat profit margins in huge expensive trucks and SUVs, they'll never go back to making small affordable cars for the masses

[@representin614]

Don't forget the Hyundai Kona and Kia niro. The ionic 5 and EV aren't that much bigger either.

[@baronvonjo1929]

I wpuld say the Hyundai sedan ev, Mach E are pretty normal size

[@johnsullivan937]

@@baronvonjo1929 Mach E is a crossover/suv. Which essentially means a sedan that was lifted and made fatter. It may be considered "normal" in america as every family seems to gravitate to those giant eggs on wheels. But it's still on the larger side.

[@rmp5s]

First ad read I've watched all the way through quite possibly ever...🤣

[@7cougar0]

I didn't. Was it any good?

[@rmp5s]

@@7cougar0 Pretty funny, man. lol

[@Jay-bw3fl]

What other channel makes the ads as enjoyable as the actual video? SG is the best in the biz

[@sirosisofliverr]

That's good sports with Brandon Perna is also a good one. Very funny ads.

[@lowlypawn]

Why files ads are the best. But SG Is pretty good too.

[@JustaPersonTryinToHuman365]

Brandon Perna, donut media, savage geese are certainly at the top when it comes to making an ad worth sitting thru.

[@ErrorVector]

I'd add Eddy Burback and NakeyJakey if you're into those brands of humor. Also Some More News - I will never get tired of watching Cody chug a pint of AG1.

[@grahamstefaan]

Fiat for when you want to troll your bank account.

[@toyotaprius79]

All those full size Emotional Support pickup trucks seem to do that plenty for Yankistan.

[@rmp5s]

​@@toyotaprius79Your Prius is showing.

[@Josh-cw8by]

@@toyotaprius79 A guy with a job and a truck stole your girl? It be like that sometimes. Sorry bro.

[@craig9365]

Your not exactly wrong but are you sure butthurt about it. ​@@toyotaprius79

[@sachinnair91]

@@Josh-cw8by he's not lying though, many many American men buy these huge expensive gas guzzling trucks just to prove they're "real men" even though they don't need to tow or haul anything

[@latitude48design]

The best driving experience I've ever had was driving a manual Fiat Panda and Fiat 500 Hybrid through Tuscany, Piedmont, and Lake Como. The worst driving experience I ever had was going through the wrong toll booth outside Milan. I nearly had a heart attack as I held up the entire freeway for 4 minutes while fifty angry Italians yelled profanities at me. If you are reading this, for the love of god, always go to the white booth!

[@derekisthematrix]

Thanks for the tip!

[@cristianmedico2476]

If you drive in Turin, those mother fu#$%ers are savage, and the old ladys are a speciality...

[@m-seb]

Did you drive in the Telepass (yellow) booth?

[@latitude48design]

@@m-seb I sure did! With the confidence of a complete idiot, I drove right up to that gate thinking it would scan my rental plate and I would be fine. Nope...

[@AntoneJohnson]

This happened to me once too, except it was outside Chicago, and I was driving a U-Haul. And while I happen to be Italian, the guys yelling profanities probably weren’t.

[@nmaranan02]

Can’t wait to receive my factor so I can stay sat down at my desk while I dominate my corporate enemies. Proving that I am in fact the apex predator. Thanks to factor, now my wife’s boyfriend lets me sleep in my own house.

[@rickkuehl422]

The red lobster in downers grove, IL still does endless shrimp on Monday's if your interested. I'd call first to confirm before going. That doesn't include the special shrimp however. Dragon shrimp, mexican corn shrimp and shrimp with scallops. Those are pick 3 for $20. Endless shrimp is $25.

[@jondiaz3475]

St Charles has the worst Red Lobster location in Chicagoland.

[@funkyd04]

I drive a Fiat 500 in San Francisco and it's literally the perfect City car. I can fit into parking spots No other car in the world can. In a city as packed as this, I've never had to park more than two blocks away from my destination. A Fiat 500 in any form really is a superior City car. And mine has a beats stereo system to annoy the neighbors too

[@danhall3450]

True that, but I'd guess that you paid at least 30% less for your earlier version.

[@funkyd04]

@@danhall3450 True, i got it used for like 50% off from MSRP. But MSRP for a new 500 Abarth was still like 10k less than the new 500e. Its a strange price point indeed.

[@LemironStarling]

@@funkyd04 I have a Abarth and bought it new 11yrs ago, it was worth the 10K over the base car.

[@Axter6]

I love this car but the price is a problem here in Europe as well. I’ve been looking at the ID3 lately and it’s cheaper (used market). I have to say btw, it was actually built to be an EV from the ground up. (There was an older 500e that was only built for compliance in California I believe). Whenever I see this car my heart says yes, but my brain say NOPE.

[@toyotaprius79]

Hi from Europe also. The 24kWh is alright, cheaper than a VW eUP but that car has 36kWh. If it were not for that dead FCA CEO, Fiat could've been more timely and clever in its R&D to develop a mid-range back between 24-44kWh, a PHEV with anywhere from 5-18kWh and a regular hybrid with the Twin Air and not some cynical joke of a 12 volt mild hybrid fit for the 1980s. But instead they're slapping Italian fashion bourgeoisness all over it when we're in serious need of affordable, mass adoption EVs

[@joshlum1807]

Yes, they did sell an older 500e here in Cali. I knew two people who had them because they leased at ridiculously low prices. I just remember they would do hilarious burnouts.

[@MrCarGuy]

If it was originally designed for an engine they might've been able to offer it for less than a Civic.

[@alexdwebba]

I bought the 500e Icon in white about 18 months ago for 26K just clicked over 20k miles on the odometer. Absolutely love it.

[@vladx2]

I’ve had one in the UK for 2 years now and love it. We were looking for the smallest EV that can do 100 miles in winter, and it’s perfect for us. I drive it everywhere on its doorhandles and park it in the tiniest spaces.

[@tacka02]

I’m glad you guys tried the sponsorship route for a video you know isn’t going to pay for itself with high quality content you guys produce. Keep up the great work and consider it a success.

[@yanboa]

I got a 500e as a rental just last week. I was incredibly pleasantly surprised! I was also in Portugal, where it makes a lot more sense. That said, they did warn me I was at risk of diabetehss.

[@goncalo33]

I hope you enjoyed your trip to Portugal.

[@haze1123]

This needs to be $15K less than a Model 3. That's the only hope.

[@MrBenitoMalito]

What people miss is this is a great City car that is really nice to look at and a pleasure to drive on the daily. You don't dread getting into it. I see all these idiots in land yachts clumsily and unskillfully making frownie faces as they slowly maneuver through tight streets.... Jumping into a little 500e is an absolute pleasure and parking... so easy. But I'll probably grab one in 3-4 years. I got a 2017 in early 2020 for like $11k and just sold it for $7,500 to a local dealer. It was very cheap to own, cheap on insurance, cheap to charge. Registration was double, but no emissions testing and it ate tires rather fast so I just bought cheapies on Amazon and had them installed down the block at a small shop and put 2 in the garage. That was like $500 for all 4 installed w 2 spares which I used one and sold the car with the other. Interior was cheap AF though. It was hilariously cheap interior. Its not a bad value proposition at all. People miss the point of this car and all the arguments are valid but it really depends what your actually solving for with a car.

[@savagegeese]

I would definately take one of these on the used market for 15k and love it.

[@lordcorgi6481]

It's like a Fisker Ocean. When they go out of business, you can pick one up for the price that they should've always had it at, around $10k

[@seafooddiablo5686]

That's a bad idea due to the brand will go away and there will be no support for the complex software. Those oceans will be all bricked 3 years from now or sooner. At least fiat is a real brand even if its not big in the US. Parts and service support will at least exist

[@FullLengthInterstates]

I'm glad that the used market has a few of these cheap old compliance cars - so you can get cheap local electric transportation without risking your life on an e bike or zero. The key is to use it as a second car. 100 miles of range is plenty for dropping off at school, shuttling yourself to park and ride, then picking up groceries after work. Small size is a positive here, between tight driveways, street construction and busy parking lots, suburbs very often do not live up to the reputation of having spacious infrastructure.

[@simplygregsterev]

Its a grey zone. Its not really a compliance car in the classical sense. Its actually a proper BEV that was designed as such.

[@danhall3450]

that a the Chevy Spark EV

[@cafn8ed74]

If you like this, you might also like a 2012 Honda Fit, a 2012 Mazda 2, a 2012 Kia Rio, a 2012 Ford Fiesta AND a 2012 Mini Cooper. You can have one for each week day and they will all be 500-800lbs lighter and more fun to drive. Get them while you can.

[@lehbeltman]

I got my daughter a used Mazda 2. The car was bulletproof. Oil changes, serpentine belt, and front brakes only things that had to be done over 70k miles of driving. For being small, it could carry a bunch with the back seats down

[@cafn8ed74]

@@lehbeltman very entertaining to drive too (at least mine is with its manual transmission.)

[@15thelongway]

Which of these cars you mentioned, be the most fun to drive with a manual transmission?

[@michael.sierra]

That car should be $20K

[@sachemrock]

Maximum…..

[@cowmath77]

I bet this car makes a lot of sense in a tiny European city.

[@r2dad282]

I live in SF; there are tons of parking spots where only a Mini or this thing will fit. Problem is, if you do have a garage you're not wanting to park this in there, you want it out on the street because your roommate/spouse has the nicer/bigger car stored in the garage. And given how my "neighbors" would just as soon tear out your charging cable and/or have their dog crap on it, this is a tough sell even as a leased vehicle.

[@nodak81]

@@r2dad282 You sure it's their dog that would be doing the crapping? The SF Poop Map would have me believe your neighbors would gladly do it themselves.

[@MuppetsSh0w]

Americans have a very weird idea about European cities.

[@r2dad282]

@nodak81 that's mostly downtown. there are a couple mad poopers out in the avenues, but our from "yard" is mostly the target of dogs. I haven't personally seen dog owners pooping, but it could be them as well.

[@r2dad282]

@MuppetsSh0w I don't understand where in euro cities these EVs are all getting charged. In the US many have to go to the car park at Walgreens or Safeway to charge their vehicles since there are no other ways to do it if you haven't spent $3000 on 200 amp service in your house + EV charger.

[@dannoyes4493]

After a week without electricity... zero, zip, nada, the first thing I see is this - And it fits all my needs - I need food, I need to drive aids, in a car I can't charge. Well Done. All is right with the world. P.S. Yours is the only commercial I've ever watched all the way through. and I'm inspired.

[@james2042]

My ioniq ev in 2020 had more range, with a smaller battery, had 4 doors and a fullsize hatch, more power. The msrp was 29,995 and it had a 7500 dollar tax credit.

[@charlesgauthier3343]

But no one anymore, since 2022-23 ! The Ioniq was the most efficient EV.

[@xelaander8429]

Factor is definitely not giving these guys another ad 😭😭😭😭

[@josephbradford5930]

Back seat, "Nobody's going back there." That simply isn't true. It's got a great back seat. Maybe bad door handles, but the back seat is outstanding. A city car is an awesome thing. This one is just a converted ICE car, not a purpose built EV. But I love it, and I'm rich as hell.

[@adamdefelice5176]

I agree with the sentiment, but the original was a compliance car, this one was designed from the start as EV only...

[@josephbradford5930]

@@adamdefelice5176 The original I was thinking of was the ICE Fiat 500. Is this EV 500 not and adaptation of the ICE car? Is it really original from the ground up?

[@Golden_AceDBD]

I live in Rome, basically the best place on earth to find these kind of cars and I saw just a few electric ones since the launch. The charm of this car is the heritage it brings from the history of fiat 500 of the past, but thats it. Nobody is buying it, only rich fathers for the college daughter, no one else. Price is outrageous.

[@YuenanCao]

I would want a bumper that completely surrounds my car in Rome

[@Golden_AceDBD]

@@YuenanCao it would fall down everyday cause of bumping

[@jomo2483]

Finally, I was wondering when you guys were going to do this car.

[@xzst]

This is the only yt channel where I watch the sponsored segments on, just cause they are so good. The effort put in them is just top notch.

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

Pretty sure the cheapest cost of a Factor meal is $12. And that's buying in bulk. It is a microwave meal.

[@thisisme379]

Right, you can get something similar at your local grocery store for $6. You are paying a lot for convenience.

[@mitchellsteindler]

It is insanely expensive...you have to extremely value your taste time and minimally value your taste buds.

[@simracing7871]

Shill x1000

[@hh6913]

Yup, not a fan of food delivery sponsors

[@aprtur]

In the meantime, it's $4 if I feel really antisocial and have my grocery store deliver to my house....I think I know which route I'm going.

[@larrywhite8590]

So this will make a great used car.

[@meyo1860]

Just wanna let you know that I’ve never skipped passed any of your commercial endorsements. 👍🏾

[@tmmsplace]

I drove one of these when they relaunched in Italia and it was a blast. Driving down alleys was a simple task, cutting across Turino’s ultra wide vards ahead of a trolley was thrilling. Now if only I could run laps in the 500/EV on the FIAT factory rooftop test track with the power cord still attached, this would close out my experience with the 500.

[@Cozmo85]

This car still exists?

[@nsk370]

It does and seems to be selling rather well here in Europe. One of the top selling EVs

[@Carfan678]

@@nsk370 It makes sense for the European market with narrower streets and the average car on the roads is much smaller, in the US I would be worried about getting creamed by an Escalade or something of that size

[@nsk370]

@@Carfan678 it is admittedly also rather pricy. It's more of a car you buy for its looks and charm rather than purely to be efficent. As it is with many Italian cars in general.

[@cyberpope2137]

I haven’t seen a single one in my EU country and there is a reason for that. It’s priced almost the same as a base Model 3.

[@nsk370]

​@@cyberpope2137they've already sold over 200.000 in Europe. But maybe it differs from country to country.

[@marcusj4467]

I had my family (once) in our Abarth, and I’m 6’4”, the scale of the car makes it super fun to drive and add to that the low centre of gravity = 😊

[@bill_the_duck]

This is the best Factor ad I've ever seen. I'm not sure if you're bashing them or advertising them, but it's good.

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

If lease-loophole-tax-credit results in $200/mo 24 month leases for this, I'm gonna be all over it. Would be a great third car and fun toe-dipping entry into EVs for us, and by the end of 2026, we could replace it with something far more compelling. I want an EV, but I also want to wait for the next gen stuff before making a purchase to own. The next-gen Mini Cooper SE was looking like the superior vehicle (even though it now weighs much more), but with the likely China tariff hikes to 100%, there's no way the new Mini is coming to the US until they get production back online in the UK. I hope Stellantis is forced to lower the MSRP on this. $34k after destination is just too much for what it is. I could make the excuse at more like $30k, but it still wouldn't be terrific value.

[@67tomcat]

What is the matter with cloth seats? Any day over leather, but a personal preference. For $34K, there are a ton of choices.

[@BoldBrandFlakes]

Nothing wrong with cloth seats, but for a 34k subcompact car it sucks. You would at least be expecting some premium elements for what you’re paying for…

[@KG_BM]

i was gonna skip the sponsor but then remembered how they did it last time. needless to say, was worth the watch

[@ahmadsabboura2779]

Last generation door handles snapping TF off... sure, that inspires quality

[@machina_spirit]

Love Mark going the extra mile with the ads 😂 the random stock footage always kill me, where does he get all these lmao

[@sarahdell4042]

I thought they completely left the US market? I’ll never own an FCA product for how they treated me. Bought a new Abarth, and it was making a throw out bearing noise since day 1. Bone stock car. They refused to do anything about it.

[@user-sq6nu3rv1m]

Glad to see the music easter eggs are still on fleek.

[@tonysykes4333]

I am totally into this once it hits the secondary market. I have a garage, live in a city, and when I need to go to the office there are available chargers. I am happy with 100-140 miles in something compact or a wagon shape.

[@nightdonutstudio]

Very iconic looking. I really like the appearance.

[@Hallowsaw]

Why anyone would get this over a mini is beyond me

[@sappyjohnson]

Or a Tesla Model 3

[@henkondemand]

You clearly do not understand human females

[@gluttonousmaximus9048]

As of now there might be a reason. Mini's EVs are built exclusively in China and thus are about to get taxed heavily.

[@erik_moenart]

That ad for Factor didn’t even feel like an add. It was art. Much like the 2020 Chivy Equinox 1LT.

[@djordjeblaga7815]

Used 2022 or 2023 models are already at aroud 15k here in Germany. I got mine on a lease for 26k after subsidies, with almost all features. Drove 12k km in the first year and I absolutely love it. Yes the range could be improved but the mileage is good and if you turn ESP off it can be a lot of fun. Weight distribution is also on point. I don't see the 85kW charging as an issue, since the battery is rather small. So it`s still at 85% within 25 minutes, which makes it suitable for travel. At least here in Germany.

[@1Springloaded]

Could i actually take this on the golf course. We could create a market for them around the Greens

[@SJYu0804]

I actually didn’t skip the ads even though I think overpriced microwave food is a stupid idea…

[@skidstung]

you have the best factor ad ever. Savagegeese humor is too good.

[@SonikDethmonkey]

Props to SG for producing commercials that I will voluntarily sit through. Whatever these companies are paying you, it’s not enough.

[@THESLlCK]

That ad was so unbelievably funny and frankly so true

[@legatus9081]

The 500 is a great car, for 10-15k, not this much lol

[@deansmits006]

$10k car? I didn't know we had a time traveler from the past in our midst!

[@rudfil]

You want an electric car for 10 grand ? what ya smoking’?

[@d4v33j]

That Patagonia outerwear looks sweet sitting at your desk

[@dwaynebrietzke]

THIS..... is how you incorporate a sponsor ad into your video. I normally just skip through them but this was entertaining.

[@aquaticko]

How on Earth they expect to sell this for the same price as a Kona EV--with ~200 miles EPA, and WAY more practicality--I cannot understand. I really do like this car...for 20-25k, no more. I will--once again--take issue with Mark calling just about every cheap EV a compliance car; for a lot of people, a small, cheap, quiet, efficient car is perfect. That this lacks the "cheap" part of things kind of ruins the deal, but there's definitely a market for this TYPE of car in countries that price their gas the right way.

[@derekisthematrix]

Tell me, what is the "right" way to price something?

[@misternordberg3675]

You don't know what a compliance car is. He means that companies are required to build a certain amount of electric vehicles and they don't put resources into it. Stop posting ignorant comments, it's tiresome for all of us.

[@aquaticko]

@@misternordberg3675 I do know what he means, but his implication always seems to be that compliance cars have no market, when that’s not the case. Even if-as Sergio Marchionne said of the old 500e-a company loses money on every single compliance car they sell, and that consequently they wouldn’t be building them if not mandated to, that doesn’t mean that no one wants them. To his credit, he does say that he likes the principle of a small cheap EV, but the fact that they only might exist because of a government mandate shouldn’t count against them. Insofar as a compliance car is essentially meeting a demand that the market would otherwise fail to meet, “compliance car” shouldn’t be said like an insult

[@derekisthematrix]

@@aquaticko I'm curious to understand how something can meet a demand that doesn't exist?

[@aquaticko]

@@derekisthematrix Supply can very easily create demand. No one wanted a microwave before it existed. However, if you meet a demand that exists regardless of what means there are to meet it--such as quickly cooked food, or more pertinent here, convenient local and regional transportation--any means which are provided will suffice. That is to say, we can build for cars, or we can build for walking/biking/transit, and people will be satisfied with either if they provide convenient transportation, which they both can.

[@jswizzlestick]

I think id rather drive the box your Factor came in

[@Geshmaal]

So in the UK these came in at about £30k in 2021...now you can get one with low mileage for around £12k. That's a pretty good deal IMO if you never plan on driving more than 100 miles in a day, it is well suited to our towns and cities and it's pretty cute.

[@appaio]

I live in Rome and this is the BEST full electric car you can buy where I live… considering we have the ecobonus giving a discount 10K EUR over the 35K EUR price of a full optional. i swear nothing can beat it.. tesla model 3 there’s no parking spot you’ll find for it anywhere unless you pay amprivate garage and good luck finding it. the only problem is it will be surely stolen if you park it at night in the street as soon as its still a rarity and brand new

[@sappyjohnson]

I can't believe these things are still around. I expect it to go the way of the Smart Car.... and Bono.

[@kallekas8551]

Bono!👍🤣

[@im2noob4bronze]

for the American market yes, it surprises me that they brought it there. but here in Europe the 500 is very popular, although this EV one costs way too much to make it reasonable, i believe it won't sell well and it will be surpassed by the other competition for city EVs that come in 2025

[@jeffreyspencer4005]

Perhaps the only one who's still impressed by Bono is....Bono. 😄

[@samyb2834]

Abysmal range for the price

[@rudfil]

Is there a car this small with better range?

[@Dwhizzle]

@@rudfilI honestly don’t think so. Isn’t the Electric mini like 100 miles of range?

[@alliejr]

So you buy your cars based only on "range per dollar"?

[@samyb2834]

@@alliejr When it's electric, yes. And it's a fucking Fiat aka FCA built quality. There's no reason to buy this car instead of a Model 3. The Tesla has shitty built quality, but at least you get decent range and a super charger network.

[@Neojhun]

@@rudfil Compact EVs should have just over 200 miles range, that doesn't require a massive battery.

[@yorbalindason]

The 500 is a great car. I’ve driven one for a about a 1000 miles in Italy and some here in California. It handles well, gets through traffic, and parks anywhere. It does what it needs to do with a lot of fun factor. He says “this is not Italy, Mark” but a lot of Italy looks like rural Illinois. I drive a VW e-Golf with about 85 mile range. This is plenty for most around Orange County driving. 150 mile range covers most peoples range. 225 would be great but if you charge at home and don’t road trip all the time 150 is plenty. You charge your phone every day, just charge your car and get moving.

[@Robby94LS]

Best Factor I’ve seen of any creator, period!! 😆😆💯💯💯

[@imnotsqiddy]

The clown-mobile we always wanted ❤

[@DavidArnold67]

Love from Vietnam, where I too have millions of dong!

[@TheElder36]

I have the first generation of the Fiat 500e. Mine's a 2017 & I bought it at the end of 2020 for under $9,000 with only 23,000 miles on it. For what I need it for, it's been great. I love the size of it. It makes trips into Boston so much easier, fitting in those tiny garage spaces. It completely changed my mind about smaller cars. I was excited when I heard that they were bringing an updated version of the Fiat 500e to the US. That being said, I was expecting it to be at least 200 miles of range & well under $30,000. I absolutely love my car, but range is an issue & I find myself looking into other options because they're not wrong. For the price you'll pay, there are so many other options with more range. And if this model follows in the footsteps of previous models, it will absolutely depreciate in value fairly quickly.

[@HydraulicPressChannel]

I used to have convertible one as second car where the range don't matter. Expensive and software is dog shit compared to Tesla but other than that easy to use city car. If you want electric car without roof that doesn't need to have lot of range this is just fine. Not great not terrible. But if you don't want convertible there is lot of much cheaper just as good options.

[@BCNeil]

44 kilowatt hours? It would be like manufacturers selling cars with 5 gallon fuel tanks, saying its for weight savings. Yeah the smaller tank save 15 pounds.

[@chkndnts]

Jesus christ Almighty not another Factor sponsorship

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

You don't want to pay $12/meal for a microwave meal? 😑

[@sappyjohnson]

@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic $12 can't even buy Ramen anymore

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

@@sappyjohnson It can buy a few of the crappy ones. 😅

[@chkndnts]

@@sappyjohnson I buy 5 packs of the good noodles for $6

[@capnbeenieweenie5603]

Great review! I agree I also love small cars but the price is not good. I’m really curious about the new generation of minis.

[@j.redbeard99]

Why does this thing have rear seats? Insurance? Music was chef's kiss. Another great review from Savage Geese!

[@TheUrbanEpicure]

Why would you compare a BASE Model 3 with a LOADED 500e? Nobody buys a naked Model 3. Nobody. Completely different use cases, too. Why would you compare this to larger cars of the same price? It's small-ness is its biggest asset, it's what you SHOULD pay extra for. And doesn't have the US large metro areas, for which this car is ideal? Guys, really, I expected better from 'motoring journalists', which I understand you are now, full-time.

[@simplygregsterev]

Not everyone wants a Model 3 as well. While I could live with one my wife made it clear that we only rent them. Comparing a 500e to a Model 3 is silly. The 500e only competition is a F56 Mini SE which alone on specs is better but the 500e appeals to emotions better.

[@TheUrbanEpicure]

@@simplygregsterev Exactly. Very strange comparisons being made here. EVs are not all the same. You don't compare an ICE Mini Cooper to a Camry either.

[@simplygregsterev]

@@TheUrbanEpicure I have a Mini SE and ICE MIni Cooper S and Im trading in the ICE for a 500e Why? Because we like small cars and its an interesting BEV. ICE Mini is 5 years old and is still worth something. Lease offer on the 500e is attractive UConnect is actually really good, Interior is oddly spacious minus the back seat but rarely have anyone in back. 500e rides better than any of the Mini and we charge at home. Zero fuel costs… The 500e will be essentially a “Free Car” For is it works good as we do around 12000-14000km per year combined

[@The_Noticer.]

If it's going to be like this, EV's are DOA. Either they have to seriously step up their game with efficiency so that a 44kwh battery makes more miles, or make them cheaper. The price is what it is, because EV's were subsidized here in europe, and companies were almost mandated to buy their fleet in EV. So they basically just jacked up the prices. Now that they actually have to sell them on merit, it falls apart.

[@Neojhun]

Stop with this absurd nonsense. This model has no relevance to modern BEVs. This is a child of the Compliance cars days. This ain't got 250 mile range and 100kW DC Fast Charging, which should be the minimum now. The only thing DOA is your silly misunderstanding. Your points have no merit.

[@Neojhun]

Australia was actively hostile to BEV beyond just no incentives. Yet sales interest was high beyond what the government wanted. That's because modern BEVs are awesome based on their functional merit, they just happen to be perfect for Aussie cities.

[@The_Noticer.]

@@Neojhun oh its ok because its s compliance vehicle. not a product actually being sold for money. people will literally defend everything, except their consumer rights.

[@Neojhun]

@@The_Noticer. WTF that's not what I wrote. You purposely twisted my words. The Compliance car program does not exist anymore. This is just using the same outdated goals.

[@604parkour]

I had a 2016 500e imported to Canada from California. Honestly it was awesome. Scary range in winter, but for the city of Vancouver it was incredible. This thing is quick, and surprises a lot of people. Plenty of room inside and the battery and tech in these cars was really ahead of it time. This 2024 price is way to high, try and found a first generation 500e.

[@Kenan8004]

I am definitely not interested in many cars that you review. I watch your Videos because of the way you are doing it. Especially funny parts. Keep on.

[@gaivoron]

We need Chinese cars in the states. The fact is that cheapest new shit box is $20k out of the door and shit is only getting more expensive.

[@baronvonjo1929]

I agree. Car makers and governments want these cars to be throw away appliances with unrealistic costs. Well why not get the cheap Chinese ev that is a throwaway appliance with a better cost. Not like any of these evs are going to be worth anything after a few years as the battery dies.

[@gaivoron]

@@baronvonjo1929 I think there is a push to make the car unobtainable, so we have no other choice but to subscribe to some monthly car service. Like Uber but without the driver, autonomous vehicles.

[@rudfil]

Americans instead want to spend $100,000 for large shit boxes ! 🤣

[@hh6913]

Cheap Chinese shills

[@draculemihawk6897]

Oh no. You need Chinese EV cars. Not even the Chinese people can justify buying one. They know it's trash quality wise.

[@fcb6288]

I had a fist gen 500e. Range was not enought even then, interior fell apart, but motor and battery were quality components. As a second car for in town shenanigans, it worked very well. Also, I paid less than 10K for it as a lease return. I might check into this in a couple of years.

[@harryspeakup8452]

A year old low mileage one of these is £13K / £14K in the UK. At that price point it's a perfect work / shopping daily driver for a multi-car family where it can always start the day on a full charge

[@ulamss5]

That ad spot was really something.

[@AlanMynah]

that factor ad is up there in the hall of fame alongside bill burr's sherry's berries

[@andrewk.1310]

That ad read is next level spatula shoveling

[@frankneser6055]

It is beautiful to look at and perhaps the nicest micro car to be seen in. If you are rich and live in Paris, Madrid, Rome or Berlin, the 500e might be the best choice for metropolitan mobility. In the US there is no use case for this car, especially in the Midwest it is merely a motorized joke. But Kudos for testing and presenting it. SG, you are the best!

[@dannyphamous]

Great review! Would like one for cheap

[@ted9254]

An abarth e would be one of the coolest electric hot hatches but they messed up so bad on it, it's a shame.