2024 Ford Super Duty: HO VS SO Power Stroke: Is There A Big MPG & Performance Difference?

[@cnetate]

Yes, please do an mpg and performance test comparing 355 to 331.

[@jasonwohlgemuth4826]

I have been shopping a lot lately for a new Super Duty and from what I have seen about 1mpg.

[@qdog494]

I went with the standard output myself. I have about 3k miles at this point. 20-24 mpg empty highway and 12ish towing (depending on weight obviously). Plenty of power and capability, Id say save the money and go with the standard

[@gregpaige4430]

I have a 24 Platinum F350 with the high output power stroke engine. I love it and looking forward to driving it to Lake Placid and seeing what the mileage is.

[@supporterofsanity]

HO or SO?

[@fergotti]

NY or FL? lol

[@ChrisWhip]

I have a HO power stroke and I have had a standard output 2020 before and one weird thing about the fords is that the computer takes a lot of power away from the truck until you get moving. I think it’s due to traction control or something because if I’m at a stop, I can’t get the tires to break traction if I stomp on the gas pedal but if I’m going about 10-15 mph and I punch it, it’ll spin the wheels pretty good and it takes off like a sports car haha. I wish there was a way to turn that off so the truck would give you full power from a stop.

[@rich7447]

Hit the traction control button to turn off the TSC. Then push it and hold it down to turn off Advancetrac (it will show in the middle of the gauge cluster). When you go to take off don't slam the pedal all the way to the floor. My 24 HO F450 CC gets from 0 to 60 in 6 to 6.5 seconds once I do this.

[@ChrisWhip]

Good to know. I’ll give it a shot. Thanks!

[@freedomisntfree_44]

Yeah they limit torque in the first 3 gears. When it’s tuned it spins really easy

[@slidewide1999]

That’s simply turbo lag. Once you moving and there’s a few rpm in the motor the lag is dramatically reduced.

[@loudandclearmedia]

@@slidewide1999 no, it's Ford's tuning on the 23+ trucks. We've had a couple discussions about this in the Tremor forum. with the '22 and under trucks they'll get sideways no problem with the traction control off. The '23+ trucks still cut power once they detect wheel spin, regardless of which button you've held down for however long.

[@BigMikeRobinsonFJB]

another banger JB!

[@supporterofsanity]

Nice side by side comparison. I noticed your national average diesel price was 3.59. while driving to see my dad yesterday we got diesel for 2.89 in Winchester , Ky.

[@nlken7175]

SO is fine. It's still a monster.

[@JoshuaOverman]

Not fine the manifolds crack after 200k miles of towing 30k pounds up mountains steep grades in the 200hp hot tune. The H.O has upgraded manifolds.

[@VegasGuy1975]

I agree. Really the HO is the option for those using them commercially like Hot Shot trucking. The SO engine has been working just fine for my towing 19k up and down the Trinity alps, Cascades, Sierra Nevadas, and so on. Never even once wanted more power, more exhaust brake, or more of anything for that matter. Except more money when fueling in California. I can say I’ve wanted that. 😂

[@SuperDutyDave]

​@@VegasGuy1975EXACTLY!!!

[@williamjones907]

Why tf would you tow with a 200hp hot tune

[@Charlie-go6eb]

@@williamjones907 Right. Pure genius.

[@bigbadbob143]

There is better cooling on the HO. I would love to see a side by side test towing the same weight up a steep highway incline at the same time, so we can see gear differences, oil temps and trans temps etc

[@univisiontech1]

Yeah, me too! Coolant, oil temp, trans temp, and egt would tell almost all I need to know

[@Bret-n7q]

I have a new F-250 King Ranch Tremor. I just hit 1500 miles. So far I’ve been averaging 15-16 city and 18-19 hwy at 70 mph. I’ve found that 65 hits 20mpg. I’m going to make a couple of assumptions. (1) the tremor lift and smaller wind valance cost me about 1-1.5 mpg (2) the Goodyear distracts cost me about 1 mpg. So if this were a standard F-250 HO with a good set of Michelin LTX M&S or comparable I would expect over 21 mpg at 70. I’ve noticed the mileage and ride are improving as the truck breaks in. I bought the truck for tax and “personal wow” when I saw the truck on the lot. In Ohio, we still don’t see lots packed with Super Duty’s in the King Ranch or Platinum Trims. There are quite a lot of XXLT’s and Lariat base trims. When I did a search for a King Ranch Tremor, loaded with options, I actually chose the 7.3 as my first choice thinking someone would have that exact truck in stock somewhere in a 300 mile radius’s. Turns out the 7.3 is under such high demand that not many are sitting on lots. I finally found a couple in Houston and Dallas.. one down in Georgia. The thing is, I found several hundred King Ranch and Platinums with the 6.7. So when I tried to “get a good deal” the gassers were all full sticker price, where as the same dealers offered $10,000-$12000 off of sticker on the 6.7 and the company Liberty Ford near Cleveland Ohio gave me absolute top dollar on my trade in 2020 ford Transit AWD that had every option upgrade available at that time. They gave me $55,000 and $10k off full price on the truck. They also gave me a very low price on an 7-year 130,000 bumper to bumper warranty. The only catch was I had to sign a “I will not install a tune program” on the truck or the extended warranty would be void.

[@Burley_Pepper_Co.]

Wheel base makes a big difference in how smooth it drives. We’re both 160? Or 176? Or were they different?

[@Uncle_Fester24]

They wouldn't stop producing the standard output it's in all the fleet vehicles. Cab and chassis, meat wagons, so many more.. even the huge utility service trucks have the 6.7 SO.

[@amritk5173]

The standard output isn’t in the cab and chassis truck. The 6.7 in the CnC trucks is derated down to like 330hp. The standard output power stroke is 475hp, and comes in all the pickups as the base diesel

[@Uncle_Fester24]

@@amritk5173 thank you

[@carllarsen2769]

If Ford gets rid of one of them, they should get rid of the H.O.. For the average driver, the S.O. should last longer and be more reliable. The more you "string" out an engine (I would consider increasing the compression and power levels "stringing" out), the less reliable an engine gets.

[@texlee84]

I've had four SO's prior to my '23 HO and I've never longed for more power but I have to admit that I much prefer the HO after driving it the past 14 months. I just drove to Florida and back from Texas last week and I average 22mpg at 70-75mph while on 37's, can't complain about that all while having more power and better acceleration at highway speeds. Is the HO worth it from a cost perspective, well that's subjective, but for most it likely isn't. For myself, I'd buy the HO every single day and twice on Sunday's. Thanks for the comparison video, I am sure some will find it extremely helpful.

[@antonnovosselov7762]

Wait… you got 22mpg on 37” doing 70mph???? Are you deleted or all stock? That is absolutely bonkers economy.

[@texlee84]

@@antonnovosselov7762 Bone stock in the ECU/Engine department. I have the Banks 5" filter back exhaust but it has no impact on performance in that regard. 20+ on 37's is pretty common HWY fuel economy with these. Keep in mind this is in the SE where it's flat and lower altitude.

[@antonnovosselov7762]

@@texlee84 that’s amazing!!! How much better would it be with being deleted? Do you think it would be possible to get it to 26mpg or that’s too optimistic?

[@texlee84]

@@antonnovosselov7762 Oh yea, I can easily see them getting in the upper 20's with a deleted/tune but I am not sure how many have done that with these late model HO's.

[@Billybob50119]

Amazing how good the 24+ L5P does 0-60 compared to both of these fords. And the L5P comes standard in every truck and runs much cooler… plus not near the issues that the HO powerstroke is having and the amount of DEF it uses

[@freedomisntfree_44]

@@Billybob50119 gm must sell you a lot of dildos 🤣 all machines run different temps but this comment coming from a guy that thinks the ford 6.2 is a 3 valve 🙄

[@rodriguezhudson202]

Can a diesel be a good daily driver if you’re not pulling

[@billylee2312]

I love mine! I may pull a trailer heavy enough to need it every other month. I have a 22 Duramax. I would drive a ford the exact same way.

[@charlyRoot]

Car and Driver has it getting 20 mpg on their long used 75 mile mpg test loop.

[@billylee2312]

@@charlyRoot They do good until you get on the interstate running 75-85mph.

[@Mill72]

Yes

[@sandasturner9529]

Maintenance costs are usually higher as well as fuel costs Ya gotta know where to shop for quality parts, and where to get quality fluids and quality fuel at the lowest cost relative to your area(s) you will be driving. Don't forget that insurance is usually higher (to cover the cost of accident related repairs [and deductibles])

[@matthewanderson9912]

Good video. Definitely just for bragging rights. 1/2 second to 60 is negligible. It would be tough to tell that apart for most people. And then 3 tenths in the 1/8 at similar speeds would be even harder to tell apart. I’d save the $2000 or spend it on some other option if it were me. But some people today think 475 hp just ain’t enough lol.

[@manunava1776]

Ummmm, don't most people who go 3.55 is because they tow heavy, regularly, as opposed to those seeking to make a Bro-Dozer with larger diameter tires??

[@slaytanic921]

6:49 is it that they run warmer or the temp sensor is in a different spot?

[@marc-andrebelley2217]

I can see yo are very technical about diesel engines, would you have a video showing how to drive a diesel as far as what to watch for: temp, exhaust filter, temp, etc and how to handle engine brake, that king of thing. I will be going toward a f540 diesel in near future.

[@MidWesti]

how often do you need to fill up the DEF on these?

[@texlee84]

I run through 7-7.5 gallons of DEF in 4,000-4,500 miles on my '23 6.7L HO

[@MidWesti]

@@texlee84 should be about the same. thanks

[@jasonwohlgemuth4826]

I own a 23 standard output F250 and yesterday I test drove a 24 HO F350. In normal driving there is absolutely no difference. If you get into it, it blows the tires off a lot easier than the standard output. MPGs did seem maybe slightly better than my standard output. Both 3.55 rear ends. I probably would not order the HO but if it was on the lot and had everything else I wanted I might bite.

[@billylee2312]

I think a better speed test would be 30-70 so the truck is not cutting fuel to keep the tires from spinning.

[@gregbrammer336]

Plz do a gear difference between trucks with 3.31 to 4.11 and 10 speed F450 with 10 speed and 4.30 gears could be performance towing

[@slidewide1999]

The compression ratio is identical on the SO and HO.

[@MichaelHancock-r9q]

Why don’t they compare the Chevy / GMC against the regular 6.7 power stroke.

[@charlyRoot]

How in the sam hell did Car and Driver wright an entire article about it being 5.5 seconds? The only reason I'm getting an F250 is because it's the fastest HD. If it's really 8 seconds, then I'm getting a Denali HD.

[@VincentGonzalez-k2j]

Trucks are meant to be worked not raced you weirdo 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@supporterofsanity]

I think JB is about a mile above sea level. And he’s just punching it like most people are going to do in reality.

[@donrobinett7896]

The tremor option is 3.55 gears only with the 6.7L. Cant get 3.31 in a Tremor

[@dariusmagby31]

I just want a street truck lowered single cab 250 and take all the safety precautions away that make it so slow. The computer sucks lol. Just waiting on the junk yard to produce rn lol

[@texan77581]

You are not going to see much difference drag racing. Check your speed pulling a 25k trailer going up to Summit Park I-80 east that is where the extra toque will make a difference

[@BrandonBigB956]

Think your thumbnail has a GAS engine for the high output 😂

[@DS-TRUCKS]

Looks like you really cannot tell the difference

[@braydonm5485]

Take the ho up the 6% grade with your race trailer I bet it hits 85 mph

[@BigMikeRobinsonFJB]

The SO would do that

[@braydonm5485]

No the SO hit 80

[@stevenbrooks1243]

So let me guess because you say it's 500 horsepower and 1200 ft lb of torque and for brag rights and because you say so that's what it is okay

[@thinkfirst6431]

From those numbers there is not a nickles worth o difference. From a towing capacity perspective if one had more fluids to work with than the other the one with the most would last longer over time than the other and would be easier to work with in hot weather. Other than that no real difference other than Ford is dinging your wallet for nothing.

[@tdflooringtd]

Horrible mileage compared to a Cummins

[@hahaadventures4838]

Power bragging rights means nothing when nobody can own these overpriced trucks! I rarely see any new Ford trucks and I live in a truck country area where people have lots of money!!!!!

[@Kamkazi-gc5be]

Most people drive ford canada in almost all the oil company fleet vehicles are ford

[@seymourbutts8850]

See several everyday in Mississippi. Wonder how so many people afford them in such a poor state.