You Won't Believe What Ford Blamed Their CP4 Failures ON...

[@Diabetuscletus69]

I blame the government for all the regulations emissions and fuel wise. They’re the first to blame for all the problems related to fuel system and emissions problems.

[@RogerSutton-ik9fj]

Yep it's the backdoor policy to get us all into their pet EVs.

[@ShouldersMoondog549]

I just watched a video from Dave's Auto in Utah they specialize in Diesels. They had a ford 6.7 come in with almost 900,000 miles on it. the first thing they did was pull the CP4 pump out. NO ware at all! the owner changed the oil regularly and used fuel additives, changed the fuel filter at the same time as the oil. The engine stopped due to a lifter failure. It boils down to maintenance, oil changes as well as the lubricants (additives) since our government has required the removal of said items in our diesel fuels.

[@davidanderson8469]

Ram's stopped supplying them and has returned to a modified CP3. Duramax discontinued using the CP4 years ago. My neighbor's 2018 Ford Powerstroke ate a pump. $16,000 damage. Luckily he bought the Ford factory backed extended warranty. it's a Bosch issue not the truck.

[@HSKFabrications]

Dave's a snake oil salesman

[@conklinproductsandtrading792]

I was told by Ford in 2023 to pound sand when my pump failed. After multiple breakdowns and multiple tows from far from home, it was a $23k lesson. Truck sold in early 2024 and now Ford can kiss it.

[@Bshiddy]

Every manufacturer uses the cp4 pump on diesel engines. Even John Deere

[@Youngmechanical]

​@Bshiddy that's not accurate. 2021-2024 Cummins uses a CP3 due to the failures in the 2019 and 2020 models. The ram even recalled theirs and swapped them to a CP3 pump..

[@pnwdweler4100]

@@BshiddyGMC and Chevrolet are using Denso fuel pumps on their diesels, they ditched the Bosch junk.

[@rvdogfl]

I say BS! A fuel system needs to be designed to handle poor quality diesel fuel. Over the life of a truck you will come across poor quality diesel fuel sooner or later.

[@jimmysturdevant9843]

I’m sorry but you don’t have a deep enough understanding on the topic to have a valid opinion. I am in no means defending Bosch or the CP4, but the fuel in America is terrible. We have no min mandated cetane rating. We have ULSD. It’s all emissions related, I’m not going to explain everything. If you DO NOT use quality fuel and additives in your diesel engine with a HPCR system, it will die an early death.

[@bondobilly9369]

The problem is the diesel in north America has no lubrication to it (low sulfur)

[@gregculverwell]

​@@jimmysturdevant9843You don't think that perhaps the pump should be able to handle the fuel quality available in the country where it is sold? It's arrogant of Bosch to assume that all fuel everywhere is the same as it is in Germany.

[@SuperDutyDave]

What about adding 2stroke oil to the fuel? Will that help increase lubricity?

[@jimmysturdevant9843]

@@SuperDutyDave if you have a HPCR DPF equip truck, NEVER use anything in the fuel aside from clean diesel fuel and FUEL additive. The ashes from burning the oils additive package are absorbed into the catalyst substrate permanently damaging it and costing you thousands of dollars and in severe cases an entire engine. 2 stroke oil does not lubricate as well as a quality fuel additive and can be tested at home using simple testing tools (like Project Farm does). DO NOT USE ANY OILS IN YOUR FUEL FOR A 2008+ DPF EQUPT TRUCK

[@keithscott4342]

I think the whole reason Ford/GM won’t recall the CP4’s is the amount of time and labor that goes into replacing the pump. I think the reason Ram was able to recall the CP4 is due to the accessibility and ease of access to the fuel pump location on the inline 6 vs the V8’s (burried in the valley of the block).

[@techs1smh13]

Gm doesn't use.they use Denso

[@roadrunnergtx68]

GM went to the Denso HP4 in 2016. It cost them $35m in lawsuits.

[@techs1smh13]

@roadrunnergtx68 yes I'm aware of at least did solve the issue. I just gave my 20 yo DMAX to my son and now going to buy a newer L5p with 6sp ally

[@keithscott4342]

@@techs1smh13 2011-2016 were Bosch. My 2011 Duramax had the Bosch CP4. Grenaded at 125,000 miles

[@roadrunnergtx68]

@keithscott4342 sid you qualify for the lawsuit.

[@jimandvalstravelchannel]

I put a DCR on my brand new 2024 F550 at 3,000 miles. I talked with two different companies that provide alternatives to the CP4. They both did a very good job presenting all the issues with the CP4. It has too many issues to ever be deemed a reliable pump. Sulphur reduction is only one thing that affects the reliability of the CP4. I just spoke with a few friends over in Europe, where sulphur has been reduced there as well. They are now seeing CP4 pump failures as well. If you have a diesel engine, you have to run additive in every tank of fuel. If you have a CP4, think about replacing it, or at the very least, adding the disaster prevention kit. Unlike JB, I cannot get fuel at the same place because we are full-time travelers, criss-crossing North America. We use Archoil 6500, Hot Shot's Secret, or Opti-Lube XPD in every tank. Only ones I will use. And I do not put any fuel in the truck that has any Bio in it.

[@jruerph]

Unfortunately, where I live, due to tax incentives, they only sell bio, up to 20% here in Chicagoland.

[@theodorgiosan2570]

​@@jruerphBio is fine for a CP4 as long as you have a water separator. Biofuel has better lubricity than normal diesel fuel by a long shot.

[@unlikelyprophet3260]

Where is non bio fuel and what is it called

[@davidanderson8469]

I spoke to a tanker truck driver locally. He said he pulls up to the tank farm and additives including lubricity agents are added to the base diesel according to what the buyer specs. I just sold my 2007 Ram 5.9 Cummins as I had no need for a diesel anymore. I ran quite a few bottles of various conditioners and cleaners through the years but fleets go millions of miles on pump fuels just the way they are.

[@joshausterlitz3798]

I've got 2 Rams and one GM 3500 now with over 300,000 miles on each with no CP4 issues always adding lubricity extreme with every fill up.

[@SM-vs4ro]

My Duramax CP4 died at 134k. I now change fuel filter more often and run XPD AR5600 additive.

[@karlmoffat6165]

I am so glad I have a 4th Gen with the CP3

[@Youngmechanical]

2021-2024 5th gen rams also have the CP3

[@rickszabo4312]

Injector timing is controled by the camshaft position sensor , the Cp4 supplies high pressure to both the lh and rh fuel rails which acts as a high pressure storage area for all the high pressure fuel lines to each injector, The signal from the camshaft sensor is sent the PCM which in turn turns each injector on and off as per load on the engine. So in turn is the Camshaft now slightly out of time, I'm not sure how the Cam timing gear is fastened to the camshaft itself but if the cam is now out of time I would bet the NOX and Regen and EGR system would flip codes.

[@andrewkroessler685]

6:02 the 6.7 powerstroke has used the CP4 since its inception. 2011 with the new 6.7 was the first year, when they released the engine, and they have used the CP4 ever since. This issue has been one of the main failures of this engine. I have a 2013 6.7 with 230k+ on it with original cp4, i always monitor fuel pressures and always have had additive in my fuel. Also make sure you do regular and frequent fuel filter changes. I upgrade my system to the CAT screw on fuel filters and its been great.

[@dannytibbetts5915]

So do you think poor maintenance is the cause? I’m just asking this because I’m thinking about buying a new one or at least 22 to 24

[@Youngmechanical]

Just know in 2020 ford has another version of the CP4. Increasing the failures unfortunately

[@dudestuff1557]

The scorpion motor was designed to have the CP4 pump, starting in 2011 I believe.

[@terrydtdi]

I carry a fuel test kit I came up with. I’ve even had water in fuel at a truck stop. Carry a clear container with a wide lid so you can wipe it out after, and pour about 6-10 oz’s in the container to check for contamination before filling your tank. If there is moisture in the fuel you will immediately start seeing droplets sinking to the bottom of the container. I have a 5 gal bucket with the clear container, (plastic is fine), a funnel to pour the test fuel in the tank if it’s fine, fuel additive, and shop towels. It literally takes 2 minutes to check the fuel before filling.

[@bowepearson2050]

I believe the fuel explanation, Dave’s auto center is not a fan of the CP4 but found a power stroke with 900000 miles and an original CP4 because of fuel additives

[@tamanko21]

First year for the cp4 pump on the Powerstroke was the first year of the 6.7 in 2011.

[@stevegonzalez7573]

Love your voice in the community

[@ghostpepperrides4805]

Great information. Subscribed

[@140ex5]

Do they really believe that everyone who buys diesel just put their life on hold during C19? We all still had to go to work.

[@billylee2312]

I live down south and I have never saw a choice on diesel other than off road red diesel. I do use either hotshots or archoil every fill up. I am thinking about trying optilube XDP.

[@AlanSanderson-u4t]

Repair Geek and Lake Speed Jr. performed tests on diesel additives and posted a video. They spent thousands of dollars at Southwest Research for testing. XPD came out as the best performing additive in wear reduction and cetane improvement. It is also the most expensive, adding 25 cents a gallon.

[@shaynestanford2]

My sales rep that I deal with for Schaeffer's products noticed one day we were chatting that I had some optilube products for a diesel competition vehicle of mine and got into this big story about how they weren't familiar with optilube and when they did 3rd party testing that optilube products literally blew every other single additive out of the water including their own. He said he has no clue what technology they use in their formulation but they are killing it. I feel like that was a pretty honest thing for someone to say about a competitor's product. I also run hotshots secrets in my daily/work trucks.

[@AlanSanderson-u4t]

I have a 2014 Grand Cherokee with the 3 liter EcoDiesel. They just replaced the high pressure pump under recall. I have avoided the biodiesel blends whenever possible, but some stations can serve up to B5 without a label. I no longer see B20 advertised in our area. My owner’s manual required more frequent service intervals if B20 was used.

[@Bowhunter5]

2019 has the cp4 fuel pump as well. I put the disaster prevention kit on mine, so in theory if my cp4 wipes out the kit will stop any fuel system damage beyond the cp4. I got the disaster prevention kit from Thoroughbred diesel. Installed myself

[@garrywest7737]

2021 with 6.7 diesel, with every fill up I put a quart of automatic transmission fluid for cp4 lubrication & always will. No problems.

[@jimmysturdevant9843]

Are you stupid? Don’t do this!!! Use fuel additive. DO NOT USE OIL in high pressure common rail. 😂😂😂😂

[@wtbman]

Your DPF is going to hate you though. How many miles between regents do you get??

[@AximusPrime33]

Thanks for keeping truck mechanics busy dumb@$$ 😂

[@jimmysturdevant9843]

@@wtbman yeah don’t do this shit

[@Zuk_4_life]

Atf is a detergent. Has little lubrication. Better off putting a fuel additive in than atf.

[@SeanGiampietro]

lol my 05 Duramax with the CP3 is flawless. Run hotshots. Thank you for addressing the lack of sulfer content and how it lubricants pump internals

[@mblake0420]

Better check out repair geeks video, you won't use hotshots no more

[@Patty-qh3lm]

I used to hate Red as a truck color but now I want to be as visible as possible!!! If bright safety orange and green were in stock I would buy it!!!😊

[@Mudbeaver1]

Also after talking to State Farm I keep every receipt and write the miles down. Try to get fuel at the same spot and if something happens and ford denies it your auto insurance will pay and go after the place the fuel came from if you have it well documented

[@Anonymous..VQ3.5Lg35]

New duramax uses a denso pump now

[@betterwithrum]

Didn't know that about Maryland and Southern States with regard to fuel. Good to know.

[@chadmiller6487]

I always run a fuel additive. Gas or deisel. It's crucial if you plan to run your truck +200k miles. If you trade your truck every year or two it really doesn't matter.

[@SliderFury1]

For the gas engines, wouldn't running a tank of good premium (like Shell 93) every now and then do pretty much the same thing?

[@marcelo403polo2]

@@SliderFury1 I would say, too high octane. Engine is not tune for that. Unless you have some turbo or compressor then high octane gas is a must

[@454budman]

Im just gonna put a disaster prevention kit on mine and if it goes Ill do a dcr. The bs update will probably pull power output to keep from straining the pump.

[@CZ-kz7ug]

Ford is a company that has a new pump waiting, but will install all their leftover cp4's until their off the shelf. Everyone is looking for P7100 and VP44 reliability.

[@Jetboat2000]

VP44 reliability? Decent but nothing like the VE, P7100, and CP3.

[@ZonaJim]

There is a difference in the CP4 during the 20-22 model years. The pre '20s have the RP6 or lower version. The 20-22 pumps are the RP7 version. The late 22s and on are using the RP8.

[@marcelo403polo2]

Yeah, and all versions explode the very same way, also sending shavings to injectors

[@johnsmircic6650]

Been adding Marvel Mystery Oil to every fuel fill on my 2002 7.3L…………429,000 miles and still driving her every day……not sure but it must help( and NO def!👍👍)

[@GoonyMclinux]

7.3 isn't a high horsepower computer controlled diesel, its a good engine because its underpowered and overbuilt.

[@kirkpalmer1709]

@@GoonyMclinux It's a simple design with no emissions. And the HEUI system can handle dirty fuel and even a little water.

[@SuperDutyDave]

@@johnsmircic6650 497836 miles on my 2002

[@Youngmechanical]

​​@@GoonyMclinuxoh its computer controlled...ie. cam position sensor, crank position, IPR, ICP, EBP... there's plenty going on but way more simple with a robust HEUI fuel system

[@njseashorechas2698]

I had a race red f150 with black wheels. It Popped and the women loved it!

[@deltabravo1257]

Project Farm channel just did a Diesel Additive video a few days ago. I have a 2009 Duramax that I bought new. I've run Power Service since day one. I'm switching to Hot Shots Secret after watching the video.

[@terryshull4477]

IS THAT THE LX4 LUB EXTREME ADDITVE ???????? OR ???

[@howardreid5935]

Been driving my service truck 8 years 16 lml duramax 150k miles no issues

[@jayb7675]

The issue is the CP4 failed with both RAM and GM. Both RAM and GM no longer use the CP4. Ford is the only one using it and if it fails it will cause $10-$15k in damage. The issue is not just that it fails, it’s how it grenades the fuel system. The fact the aftermarket sells CP4 disaster prevention kits speaks for itself. Customers today care more about LED headlights, ventilated massaging seats, and wheels design than engine quality/reliability. Ford can sell a $90k truck that doesn’t even have a spray-in bedliner and customers will buy it. The real fix is more competition. When you only have GM, Ram and Ford to choose from, they can do as they please and customers will have to accept it. But if Toyota made an HD truck, watch how fast the GM, Ram and Ford quality improves. It’s a business, you make the cheapest product possible and charge the highest price possible. Only more competition fixes it.

[@Billybob50119]

Exactly!

[@jimmysturdevant9843]

Yup. Bosch forced Siemens out of the market as a monopoly they are. The K16 VDO found in the infamous 6.4 and various Maxxforce products was a really really good pump. Mine currently has 300k only had one bad injector.

[@brentfromsomewhere]

Toyota has made a full size half ton for a long time and F150's have not gotten more reliable because of it. Timing chain issues, cam phaser issues, 10 speed transmission issues. All Toyota did was copy them.

[@jayb7675]

@@brentfromsomewhere while still popular, the Ford F150 has lost market share to Tundra. No doubt all manufacturers will still have issues, but arguably Ford quality would be worse and prices higher without the Tundra.

[@janamaro5894]

Tell the 6.7 powerstroke owners to get a DCR pump conversion kit.

[@jimmysturdevant9843]

I have worked on both Fords and Rams, even some GM products. I’ve worked on all types of big diesel engines utilizing HPCR fuel systems. The issue is the same across ALL platforms. The fuel quality in America is TERRIBLE. No minimum mandated Cetane rating. Bio diesel. Owners who use cheap shitty fuel filters, don’t change them often, and NOT using fuel additives. There is currently no other available injection technology that would allow the engines to meet emissions requirements. You can blame the government, and not even Bosch. They do not have this issue in EU.

[@jellyfrosh9102]

So then why does the CP3 or denso HP4 not fail constantly like the CP4 does?

[@danerickson1733]

The cp3 works, also dcr for the fords. I'm running the dcr with emissions 100% intact, no issues.

[@jimmysturdevant9843]

@@jellyfrosh9102 higher pressures, smaller tolerances, the necessity of more cooling for the pump itself. Yeah it’s not an optimal design but it’s not as bad as the internet has made it out to be. This subject is far over the knowledge of the common man.

[@jimmysturdevant9843]

@@danerickson1733 they cannot support a 500hp 1200ft lbs engine with enough fuel. That’s why the CP3 isn’t used anymore.

[@jimmysturdevant9843]

@@jellyfrosh9102 also the Denso pump is almost worse than the CP4 and I’m not a fan of any of them. K16 for life.

[@nickeckemoff7631]

You gotta be kidding me…so RAM and GM fixed the problem with new hardware, but Ford says a software update will fix it???

[@russellriggan2088]

I purchased a used Ram 2500 to pull our travel trailer. From the very first time I fueled up, I have used Hotshots Secret every tank. There have been too many positive reviews to mention on You Tube to mention, but I will mention the review and test Project Farm did on additives.

[@gravydavy68]

Wow! As I was watching this video, I received a text from the dealer that my CP4 replacement is in and they want to schedule service. I have a 2018 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel with an open recall for that pump that I scheduled 6 months ago. If I don't use any aftermarket lubrication (Hot Shots Everyday works really well) then that pump sounds like it's going to crater! I have 97K on the truck. Hopefully the "replacement" will last. I'll keep using lubrication with every fill up.

[@Mudbeaver1]

Got bad fuel at a sheetz in pa in 2016 never have pulled in there again with my trucks

[@daddydiesel5889]

My Costco here in Perrysburg Ohio got rid of diesel! They said it was less than 1% of their sales and it would be nationwide eventually. I call bs, the farmers would all fill up there even with the semi trucks. I go to speedway now.

[@michaelsell6928]

The Costco on central Ave in toledo still has diesel FYI

[@daddydiesel5889]

thanks for the info, I try to avoid that location because I’m never over that way and the parking lot is shared with the other strip malls so it’s always a mess!

[@michaelsell6928]

@ oh I agree. I only use that station when doing the family Costco trip.

[@daddydiesel5889]

@ I keep hearing rumors about a Buc-ee’s off I-75 south of bowling green

[@cavemanjoe79]

There’s one Costco in Sparks NV that has diesel, and every time I go there’s always a handful of diesel vehicles filling up, so I hope it doesn’t go nationwide.

[@georgeloveless6339]

Prior to 2019 cp4 pumps were failing left and right. It's both a fuel and pump problem

[@minig4126]

Are the gears on the pumps not keyed? how could they slip? I can see them skipping possibly ford “fixing” it with an update is crazy to me why did it take them this long to address it? I’ve done a few pumps on the f650s one straight split in 2, two others were destroyed internally metal shavings galore the first one was weird checked the whole fuel system and didn’t find a spec of metal in the system just replaced the pump and it’s been running fine the last 2-3 years

[@johnsmircic6650]

Good info, thanks👍👍🇨🇱🇨🇱

[@SergeantReckless66]

YES, when diesel sits it developes what is called ASPHALTINES which is little grainy particles similar to sand.

[@B-rad303]

They need the HP4 like the new L5P

[@roadrunnergtx68]

I believe it's Denso.

[@BigBadJohnDiesel]

The cp4 is the reason why I didn't buy a Super Duty. They sure are nice though!

[@dwightsmith5174]

"Red grows on you as you get older". Yes..... yes it does! 71 yo here. Been buying red vehicles for 10 years! Think it has to do with eye candy.

[@shanenelms9740]

GM needs to really concentrate on there 10 speed transmission failures

[@100pyatt]

Caused by Ford

[@shanenelms9740]

@ Na GM needs to cowboy up and take responsibility of there own actions and ford did change few things and there not having near the problem as GM is having

[@mr.c.6241]

Ford and GM partnered on the 10 speed transmission which is why thay are both having the same issues

[@zackbagwell8097]

Not the same issues because Ford beefed up some of the parts in their 10 speed. Same design but with better parts.

[@BrandonLeech]

The Denso HP4 in the Duramax is similar in design to the DCR pump the Blue Oval specials can be retrofitted with. CP4's can last but are more delicate. One guy's lasted 900k miles doing hotshot driving. They are not as tolerant of negligent ownership

[@safado5555]

Ford was playing the fuel quality card back in the 6.0 days.

[@osvaldobonilla9888]

Need help please CP4 failed on my Truck it’s a 2024 F750, the dealership told me at first it’s not covered because there was DEF in the system and that’s why It failed but I picked up the fuel filter left it out for 48 hours and there was no signs of the DEF. I called the Dealership in the morning to tell them there was no DEF in the filter. She told me the mechanic said if it’s not DEF it’s bad fuel. I went right after Work to get a fuel sample. Fuel looked perfect no signs of bad fuel called the dealership once again and they said it’s the fuel that I got before this one that ruined the fuel system they’re looking for every excuse there is I have videos and pictures to prove it. I’m a small business and it depends on this truck and they are trying to make me pay for it truck has 52,000 miles and I even bought extended warranty bumper to bumper for 200,000 it’s not fair and sad

[@Ratkill9000]

As a certified Stellantis technician, Ford's excuse is high levels of corporate speak and in my terms copium. As some may know, Stellantis issued a recall to replace all CP4.2 pumps with the older CP3 pumps because of reliability issues. They did not blame the pandemic, just that the pumps don't hold up. The Cummins for 2025 is using a CP8 pump. Only info I've found is its Chinese in origin.

[@mikeerin5031]

There was another video done recently and HotShots came out almost dead last for lubricity in the wear scar test done at Southwest Reseach.

[@3rdTrickGang]

I Mostly run additives to keep water out of the fuel, Obviously adding lubricity is a big plus but the smallest amount of water getting put through that injection system will cause a lot of devastation. I also believe that bio diesel causes a lot of problems I've never ran it in my truck, maybe an old mechanical diesel not these new engines.

[@KRich408]

Im glad i have a 2012 Ram Cummins CP3 last year RAM was DEF free.

[@krisbohn4118]

Great video !!! What additive do you use in your diesel fuel.

[@tdotw77]

He said he used to use Diesel Kleen now uses Hot Shots (EDT). Archoil is also very good.

[@Bshiddy]

There is a guy on KZbin whose 6.7 power stroke has 900,000 miles on his truck. Having the motor rebuilt but cp4 taken apart snd looks like brand new. Adds fuel additive rvery time and changes filters

[@JJBIRDIEGOLF]

JB where do I purchase good diesel fuel? I am in Utah

[@troybradley2239]

I have a 2014 Silverado Duramax with the cp4, I have 220k on it, the rules I live by are: 1) FASS fuel system for filtration and water separation, along with the factory fuel filter, ( no such thing as to much filtration in diesel fuel systems) 2) always use a quality additive, I have used hotshot secret EDT, but after watching motor oil geek I am going to switch to optilube APD, but any additive is better than none 3) always use fuel from a reputable high volume source ie, truckstop or high volume convenience store So far no issues, I figure with 220k on the clock if it goes now I would probably need new injectors anyways

[@williambanzhof9739]

EXCELLENT!

[@Dagger-Moose]

Yeah I got Kentucky plant 5/22 build date. I think mines gotta go in. Debating whether to or not.

[@johnpeters9793]

Ford has used the CP4 since 2011 when the 6.7 came out.... Have owned 5 PSD's with zero fuel pump issues but due to internet hysteria, have started to add archoil to the fuel tank on the '24...

[@jeffyoung6231]

If you use your truck for the purpose it was made how do you buy fuel at the same station? Must have a small radius for your hobbies or job?

[@jimandvalstravelchannel]

Ford designed the 6.7 around the CP4. The CP3 will not fir in a 6.7. The CP4 has several design flaws.

[@jimmysturdevant9843]

They defiantly did not design it around a fuel pump. Lmao. What kinda dumbass comment is this.

[@TonyBenton0728]

@@jimmysturdevant9843The CP-3 will not fit where the CP-4 pump goes.

[@garyrobertson6432]

There is a kit you can get to swap a cp3 into the 6.7

[@zebshort2778]

I think y'all need to look up a company in Seymour Indiana that has the fix for him and you'll never have a problem out of it

[@jeffpistritto9524]

Ford needs to do the right thing and replace all the cp4 pumps on all model years!

[@larrytinnin3357]

What about my 2023 powerstroke?

[@jeffgilde3250]

Costco doesn’t sell diesel fuel anymore in the east and I actually thought nationwide.

[@stevenbrooks1243]

Deleted 6.7 archoil and 2 stroke good to go!

[@charlesb4267]

That's the real answer !, no soot regurgitating through the intake and cylinders and no dpf to cause issues with not quite as clean a burn due to the small amount of oil added to the fuel. I talked to one of the local independent shops a couple of years back that works mainly on Fords and they do a lot of weight loss programs ( this is western Canada ) and they said some customers come in with a brand new 6.7 power stroke and get all the crap stripped off and with it goes their Ford warranty but they are making big bucks in the oil patch with their truck and downtime is everything so eliminating the crap is a huge step. Oddly enough he claimed they do not see many CP4 pumps fail early, yes they do eventually fail he said but that has not been the big issue compared to the horrible emissions. I was quite surprised at that comment, perhaps our fuel is different up here or his customers may be adding fuel additives, its hard to say.

[@charlesmetherd9136]

I used to be a car hauler. With that $1990 destination charge they're making a ton of money just off of that.

[@samduran5180]

This reminds me of when Ford said their trucks aren’t ment to go over 65 mph to prevent death wobble.

[@brianhollenbaugh6791]

I’m a huge fan of Hot Shot Secret’s products.

[@terryshull4477]

HOT SHOT SECRET LX4 LUBE EXTREME ??????????? OR WHAT

[@tyrrellroach5872]

So yah adding a lubricant to the fuel will likely help. But these pumps should be built to handle the poorest fuels in America any the best hardest to find fuel. I know the Europeans use the same pump without problems be we aren’t in Europe and these are supposed to be American trucks. So seems like a poor excuse for not addressing the problem properly

[@aaron___6014]

This pump is in everything though.

[@mblake0420]

Im so tired of these corporations, all they do is lie and stick all their failures on the customers. Ive been fighting for 3 months to get my destroyed differential fixed from manufacturing defects. Its ridiculous.

[@woodyfregia6653]

Ford has been using the cp4 pump since the 6.7 came out back in 2011

[@danerickson1733]

The issue with the cp4 isn't that it fails, it's what happens when it fails. A cp4 x will still trash your fuel system.

[@peterbenson3776]

Draining your water separator is important

[@MatthewWilliams-b1m]

The problem goes all the way back to 2011. We had a fleet of 2011 to 2016 everyone of them lost a pump and had to have a 10 k fuel system replacement. We changed fuel filters every 5 k with the oil change and ran diesel that we treated at our bulk tank thats filtered down to 30 micron water seperator and has a caterpillar 5 micron secondary filter. We went with rams in 2017 not one fuel system failure or engine or trans failure and those trucks all have over 350 k on them. I do not know how ford keeps selling these things .

[@AximusPrime33]

82k on my 6.7 in my 22' F600. Change both fuel filters every oil change. We'll see how long she lasts.

[@BamaMark]

Hilarious. Bio diesel is horrendous. That’s the problem. It even smells like water.

[@torrowtwister91]

Ford and gm both started in 2011. Ford was at least smart enough to add a lift pump to feed the cp4. That’s why gm had a higher failure rate. And got sued. Either way the cp4 needs to be ditched.

[@shaynestanford2]

Anyone who tries telling you there there is any "timing" having to do with a gear on a high pressure fuel pump in a common rail system is either ignorant or intentionally trying to mislead you. The pump simply makes pressure. 100% of the timing is done electronically via the fuel injectors.

[@RRR-hj6bt]

My 2019 ram has a lift pump. Does ford?

[@JoshHardman-yz5ig]

JB, what do you think of Maverik diesel fuel?

[@mattcrain6893]

If you want to make sure you are getting good fuel you have to get it from a truck stop... Love's, Pilot/FlyingJ, TA/Petro. If you are worried about fuel prices you should probably get a gas powered vehicle. Period.

[@sarapuzzo4428]

Ford started to use the cp4 in 2011

[@davidsaldivar3043]

That cp4 crap needs to be a recall or class action

[@chrismegerace4979]

I use additive EVERY fill up, why do you do every other fill up if modern diesel is low lubricity every time you fuel up? Use it ALL the time

[@Jon-O.]

No regulation of Diesel fuel quality in Anerica unlike Europe. Literally almost non existent CP4 failures in Europe.

[@papaske3375]

Coof-id is blamed fir everyrhing. Restaurants and breweries closing, trucking companies closing down, etc

[@OscyJack-]

Cp4 failure cause has been known for ages. It's made for euro spec fuel. More lubricity = less failures.

[@omarswhite69]

I think a lot of people are missing. What ford is doing? I have own ford trucks for 10 years now. They don't care about the recalls. Just want to get the trucks to the dealership, and the dealerships will fix the problem. Now I'm like you. I only get my diesel from Costco if I do not see top tier. I will not put that fuel in my Truck And one more thing, remember during the pandemic. Ford had like close to 400000 trucks setting in Kentucky.

[@butchkowarsch9133]

2011 is when the cp4 was first used

[@WhiteRhino83]

I put 93k on my 2019 F450 kept lubricant in the tank the EVERY mile from new and still went out !! Currently in class action lawsuit

[@bryanford1139]

Manufacturers need to design a pump that works with the fuel that's available. Period! That being said....ya'll with these pumps, go look at Repair Geeks video he did with the Motor oil Geek so you can get good info on what additives really work.