2024 Kia EV9 Vs. 2024 Rivian R1S: Family Electric SUVs Compared

[@evanmig]

Why are you comparing apples and oranges? You could have tested the large pack quad motor R1S with 835hp and 320 miles of range and kept it just over $80K. Much more performance and plenty of range anyways. This feels contrived.

[@BeanEW]

EV9 is a family EV and Rivian is an adventure EV (never advertised as a family SUV). If compare with a Rivian, you must also compare off-road capabilities.

[@ChrisAngelaPrezzano]

I think it would’ve been more accurate to compare the base model Rivian that starts at 78,000. The battery capacity and range is roughly the same as is the price.

[@theclutch19]

You guys did a really good job of putting me to sleep. Paaalleeeaasseee... one of you at least needs to increase the energy and excitement level!

[@RaoulHira]

Why not compare the Gen2 Rivian with a standard version and not the max pack! It's crazy to compare a 400mile range EV with a 280! And then complain about the price difference.

[@judgedeath2614]

Also the EV lease credit is for vehicles whose BASE price is under $80k. Which is why all R1S (including this one) have a base price of $75k. Really poor information in this video and seems like they were out to bash Rivian.

[@mjhowson2389]

Rivian designed the R1 vehicles to perform off road as well. I think part of their price - and weight - is the suspension and what it can do off road. You sort of glossed over that and treated it like a normal 3-row SUV. Sure, many buyers may not go off road. But they are paying for that performance, and the 0-60 time. I think Kia did a great job, and I’m also curious to see if Rivian can bring the R2 to market on time and budget.

[@fanovaohsmuts]

They're reviewing it from the perspective of an everyday family hauler, not as an off road vehicle. Plenty of people will buy cars that have plenty of off road capabilities but relegate them to mall crawling. See: any Land Rover. I think they can do a second review that focuses on their off road capabilities.

[@mjhowson2389]

@@fanovaohsmuts Thanks, Jackal.

[@Rx100Vx]

Yeah totally agree

[@ioman1]

Not a fair comparison at all. You compared a top-end Rivian to a mid spec Kia. You failed to mention that the Rivian is not only designed for families, but its built for adventure. It goes off roading, has a built in air compressor, camp mode with a ton of features like auto-leveling where it will level the vehicle if it's on a hill etc. The Kia is purely meant as a family vehicle with very few bells and whistles.

[@pnketia]

Why are you comparing a top spec Rivian with a mid spec Kia and then complaining about the price difference??????? Nonsense comparison IMHO.

[@ucaiko]

It’s not a top spec Rivian. It’s a dual motor, not the quad motor.

[@venkatga2791]

This is one of the most disingenuous reviews I have seen. They might as well have said that it is an ad for Kia. Comparing a Kia with 280 miles range with a 400 miles range R1S and complaining about the price difference? Guess, what? R1S with 270 mile range is $75,900. R1S offers more power, off-road capability, towing capacity and generous storage space all at the 76k price tag. Kia has Car Play support. I give them that!

[@tooltalk]

EV9 Light Long Range with 300 miles range goes for just $50K (after Kia/Dealer incentive) these days. As noted in the video, Kia/Dealership incentives almost everywhere due to South Korea's weak currency and it's also buyers' market.

[@R56Cooper]

​@tooltalk not to mention lease deals for the EV9 Light Long Range Trim are commonly seen at $500/month with 0 due at signing-- as a comparison, cannot even lease a model y rwd for those numbers🎉🎉

[@jihooncha-vs4om]

Rivian dealer, calm down.

[@darrenchin8492]

Like the comparison But pls redo the review with 2025 R1S with standard pack 75k

[@ucaiko]

I’ve had several Porsche 911’s, BMW M3’s and other similar vehicles. I’ve had one Rivian R1S adventure model and it is by far the best vehicle I’ve ever had. These guys must be bought by South Korea.

[@EMJAYCAD]

I'm getting tired of those car reviewers barely doing the minimum necessary research. why would wou compare the most expensive version of the rivian to the kia than spend the rest of the time making pointless complaints. at any point have they judge the car for what they are but instead this entire review was base on comparing to cars design for two completely different buyers but they both 3 rows.

[@teddy500U]

Imo, the comparison isn't right. They are comparing apples with oranges. EV9 is a daily family car. Rivian is known for off toad capabilities. See other reviews. That is what you get for 30k more. Better off road capability, better approach angle, better departure angle, power, towing capacity, etc.. There is a lot to learn from Out of Spec (Kyle) and Auto focus (MKBHD) reviews. This looks like a sales pitch to me, not an honest review

[@davidk4682]

What about the overall exterior looks? Which do you like better stylistically?? Very subjective yes, but which would you pick??

[@baldbuhda1275]

Why wouldn't you compare apples to apples? The clear theme of your video is, the Rivian costs 28k more. But there a dual motor trim with a standard battery pack that matches the EV9's range and outperforms the Kia. You had a narrative. The Rivian costs more. It's not worth the extra 28k. How about comparing it to the comparable base trim in terms of performance and range that cost the same as the Kia and is eligible for some portion of the tax credit? Oh, because you would lose your, it costs too much agenda...

[@celtics2008champs1]

I wish you did an apples to apples comparison, getting the larger battery makes the cost the focus rather than the diff between both vehicles......thank you.

[@M4ttNet]

One thing to keep in mind is the top spec EV9 is about the same price as the lowest spec R1S and the Rivian only loses power/performance and range as you go down in spec (though the range is pretty close at the lowest spec to the highest spec Ev9).

[@chicagomrs2270]

Thanks for this review. I'm actually considering my first EV and I've narrowed my choices down to these 2. While I realize this comparison isn't exactly apples to apples, there aren't too many other choices for a 3rd row ev out there. Plus the whole egg-shape aesthetic as mentioned.. 🤢 Although the trims could have been closer, I agree with the reviews here. Personally I DO find it hard to justify the 100k with all that interior plastic. Even though the rivian does have smoking hot seats. The ev9 is a bit more appealing - for the price. I could find one used for right around 50k. Used rivians are harder to come by and kinda complicated to purchase and still about 75k for the "older" ones. Again I have no natural bias toward either one other than the research I've done to aid in my decision. A decent review imho

[@MR-sj6rq]

Info systems are just a learning curve. They all work pretty well. If you want to jump into a new electric ride and think that you are going to know how to use everything in a day or two, let alone a few hours you are wrong. I am no supertech dude but after owning my Niro for 9 months I found out I could change the temp and turn the seats on with voice commands. Smiple stuff, but did not know it. As far as user profiles, seat settings and mirrors for the driver was a 2003 thing in my 300M. I don't know why more cars these days don't...

[@Rx100Vx]

The rivian range , HP and interiors and off road capability puts it in a different class than the EV 9 . They should really not be compared just coz they are 3 row SUV’s . Both speak to a different audience and price points along with lifestyle.

[@Rx100Vx]

Also the size and storage difference is very apparent along with the various drive modes and software driven connected features in the Rivian.

[@headyhere]

Rivian is a more functional vehicle given its people hauling, towing, its adventure tune, and its software capabilities, mileage and acceleration, hence a higher price. Rivian's more towing and larger battery means stiffer suspension tuning and hence a stiffer ride. EV9 is also beautiful and well tuned for what it is capable of. I guess it all depends on what your priorities are.

[@CourtneyWright76]

Not sure how to say this , but I did not think some of their comparisons were not very "thoughtful" as a whole......

[@True_Dad]

I looked at buying an EV9 prior to ordering an R1S. The captains chairs is a forced option on most trims on the Kia- if you have a lot of kids that’s not going to work. I’ll take the bench row thanks. Now if all those seats are full, where do I put the stroller, suitcases, bags, a cooler? The Kia won’t work. You can spec the r1s remarkably close to an EV9. I ordered a dual standard. It has almost as much storage as the full-size expedition max. It can also tow, offroad and somehow the Kia is only about as efficient?? How does that work. I was shocked how small the EV9 is when I went to look at them. The rear seats feel claustrophobic compared to the R1S. Head room? I felt like I was stuffed in an enclosed box back there. In the R1S it was light and airy and I was sitting straight up and down, not hunched or leaning like the Kia. This video definitely seemed biased in a big way. It touched on the very few things the EV9 does comparatively well, focused on the *optional* price difference and spoke little to no words on the numerous things the Rivian can do that the Kia just plain can’t. When you started talking to people about a $70k+ car and then tell them it’s a Kia, you lost them. You show them a Rivian for the same money and they’re interested. The configurations available in the Kia aren’t actually family friendly. Either lose a seat to make the back seat even remotely bearable, or take a much lower trim without any of the nice features. The Kia is neither practical or realistic as an actual 3 row SUV. Sure, if you’ve only got 2 kids and don’t actually use the third row except for occasional kids friends or folded down for cargo space, it’s fine. For a family that actually needs to use the 3rd row everyday? It’s not an option, unfortunately.

[@folag]

This pair of reviewers let their disapproval of the Rivian's significantly higher price color their evaluation of the car's performance and features. Not all buyers would be overwhelmed by the price. They'll just buy whichever they like.

[@bjackson1975]

Will be curious on the redo now the Rivian generation 2 is coming out

[@머쓸이]

In ev world, Hyundai and Kia are at the top

[@RealElectech]

lol they aren't even at the top in the US. Rivian, Tesla and Lucid are all far better... Kia doesn't even compete with the Chinese EVs.

[@Wasabi9111]

Ev9 is a more family friendly option. But there are cheaper more comparable rivian options for this comparison. However, for 6 pass, the minivan is still a better option for long road trips.

[@True_Dad]

The Kia is actually much less family friendly, unless you don’t actually need a third row or trunk space.

[@Fabulousprofound168]

Waiting to see what the Hyundai Ioniq9 will be like…

[@Demobot1]

I'm waiting on the price for the ID. Buzz. The Buzz does loose some points for not offering AWD and 7 seats.

[@True_Dad]

@@Demobot1I looked at a Buzz at the auto show, I wasn’t super impressed it seemed sort of plain somehow but I liked it enough I’d have bought one if they were available already. Ordered a Rivian and got a delivery date within 2 weeks. Can’t wait to see more 3 row EVs coming out!

[@Demobot1]

@@True_Dad I personally could not justify buying a Rivian but to each their own. I'll probably end up with a Kia EV9 Land (I need those 7 seats lol). But the ID. Buzz just has a hold of my curiosity.

[@tooltalk]

@@Demobot1 just be sure to negotiate hard. It's buyer's market and Kia is willing to offer aggressive incentive b/c of South Korea's weak currency.

[@CryptoArena-pq5cz]

Rivian is on another level

[@RealElectech]

The Rivian is way better. They have a version that atarts at leas than the EV9, that you failed to test. That version comes with an air suspension tha raises up to 15 inches of ground clearance. Built in air compressor and camp speaker. Huge front trunk with way more storage. Kia charging at Tesla superchargers maxes at 85kWh, Rivian 220kWh - HUGE gamechanger for road trippers. The R1S has a better screen and regular meaningful software updates similar to Tesla. The app is outstanding and works, the opposite if Kia. Overall there's just no question... the Kia is being discounted by $10K because that's what it's worth, about 20% less than a base Rivian.

[@uiharu]

Lots of RIVN bag holders crying in comments.

[@Brazilianfro32]

As stated by others, they could have had a much more apples to apples comparison by not going with the dual motor standard range thats 75k. Seems like a huge blunder to not compare it.

[@hewydewy2164]

Are you a family that wants an EV or a business owner that wears a vest with a button up shirt on a daily basis?

[@markmazza135]

Sick of all these expensive EV's being crammed down the throat of Americans when Australia and Europe get to choose from high quality Chinese brands that offer far better value!!

[@JLamont_3PM]

You can feel the obvious KIA bias in this video. It's weird to see the comparison when the ride comfort is better with the Rivian and with the 3rd row in the KIA you lose a ton of space. The things these guys liked are some "small potato" things like the 2nd row bin. The more obvious thing is you are comparing an off-road adventure vehicle to an EV-9. Not a great video overall.

[@ASD-DAD]

Rivian unproven reliability, and $30K+ more over the EV9 is a big no for me. The bottom line is, ALL EV's are overpriced, rather wait 3 years and get a pre owned still under the warranty and save 40% off of a brand new one.

[@fanovaohsmuts]

How unreliable can an EV really be? With far less moving parts, id imagine they'd be generally more reliable than their ICE counterparts. That's why we see so many 1M mile Teslas, and we all know how their build quality goes.

[@ASD-DAD]

@@fanovaohsmuts 1 million miles Teslas? There's virtually zero Teslas with that kind of mileage, wtf are you talking about....lol

[@xavierdupuis8]

Its more reliable than a shit Kia, already many recalled ans the car is brand new lol

[@ASD-DAD]

@@xavierdupuis8 cmon kid, you're just mad cause u can't afford a Kia,

[@xavierdupuis8]

@@ASD-DAD Im 45 moron, I have two R1S so shot up assle. You just ridiculate yourself more, and need to invent false words to cheer you up weak

[@QK..]

Always Rivian. Much higher quality.

[@volcalstone]

Much higher price as well. Higher price doesn't always mean higher quality too. Most people will go with a base EV9 cause it's a better value as it's a bigger car if you need that space. Rivians are nice but to me as much as I like the R1S, it's the upcoming R2 what will be a better car overall. Not sure if you watched the video but they said the difference on price isn't worth it which is around $25K-$30K. If I could get an EV9 GT-line for $60K after all rebates and discounts I would be all over it right now. Until then I could wait for either a used one or when those kind of deals are available. For $75K I would rather get something else and that won't be Rivian cause I tend to like mid to high end trims. I don't ever buy base models as they're missing a lot of features that I'm already used to.

[@QK..]

@@volcalstone but the quality of Rivian is much higher. I know you pay more but it's worth it.

[@normanli5270]

At least kia is giving them the only true boxy EV competition out there. The others: the mercedes benz eqs suv and the tesla model x are curvy and cost even more and their third rows are tight asf (especially the eqs suv). not gonna mention the other 2 bc those third rows are even more of a joke

[@volcalstone]

@@normanli5270 yeah I would so pick the EV9 cause I do think about my passengers comfort as well. I actually sat back there and it's about the same size as the MDX in the back. Not so much the Pilot or Telluride. Every other 3rd row EVs are probably like Highlander size I'm assuming which are made for kids only. The R1S is nice but I'm not a fan of the split tailgate. I'd rather have a roll down window like the upcoming R2.

[@normanli5270]

@@volcalstone yeah i would prefer the R2 and the roll down window over the R1S as well. but in terms of the kia ev9, im pretty sure interior wise, its bigger then that mdx, especially the third row with manual seats. a few inches more legroom and loads more headroom too. but i haven't sat in one before, but from reviewers the headroom in the EV is inches more than the telluride and 0.2 inches more than the new pilot

[@darrelpeters]

This was a good review. I have to agree with some of the other commenters here. 30 grand more than the Kia and you’re not really getting much more performance or space. I say wait a couple of years and then buy when used on the used car market. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@swyang68]

Forget about the 6 figure price tag, Rivian's problem is that the build quality is not there yet. It is like Range Rover, they cost super expensive so they attract dumb badge buyers but in the end, the user experience sucks.

[@RealElectech]

That's nonsense, the build quality is excellent on the Rivian.

[@evanmig]

This obsession with CarPlay is kind of pathetic.

[@darrelpeters]

This was a good review. I have to agree with some of the other commenters here. 30 grand more than the Kia and you’re not really getting much more performance or space. I say wait a couple of years and then buy when used on the used car market. 🤷🏽‍♂️. Also, not sure how much longer Rivian will be around as they are struggling financially.

[@360milliondollars]

Which service umbrella do you wish to be under when it comes to EV vehicles... Rivian... Kia sucks and no one at dealers know how to work on them and the take forever to fix anything... LOL

[@spenceralridge4958]

Do you have experience with Kia service, especially Kia EV service? Or this is an assumption/guess?

[@acehall4351]

Congrats, this is the worst review/ comparison video I've ever watched in my years of watching reviews. You both are boring to listen to. Your comparing oranges to apples this is an embarrassment to every reviewer in history.

[@Moses6cut]

Baby Boomers, “I want CarPlay” cry cry, welcome to 2024, CarPlay is old school. Also, the R1S starts at $75k

[@Demobot1]

It's called choice. Kia offers it, Rivian does not.

[@Moses6cut]

@@Demobot1clearly a lot of people don’t care because Tesla and Rivian have no CarPlay and they are still selling. Their UI is way better.

[@Demobot1]

@@Moses6cut That's true. But it's still a feature that people wish they had in their Teslas or Rivian.

[@volfan615]

The problem with the EV9 is that it's just ugly!

[@normanli5270]

that would be the eqs suv

[@Demobot1]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[@luckylenny]

losing $1.5 bill/qtr... rivian is headed for bankruptcy for sure ... owners will be left out to dry... any benefits of Rivian's vehicles are outweighed by the negatives of its impending bankruptcy

[@xavierdupuis8]

😂😂😂 another loser that know nothing if he talking about. They have many big investors in their back like Amazon, Apple, Morgan, etc you need to know a minimum before saying shit.

[@QK..]

Rivian isn't going bankrupt. Amazon saves them.

[@evanmig]

You don't know much about business do you? Guess how long it took companies like Tesla, Amazon, etc to turn profit? It's call scaling, and reinvestment. Maybe learn before flaunting ignorance.