2024 MTB Trends That We Hated

[@gmbn]

Which 2024 trend did you hate the most?

[@RamYou-z1p]

downhill e bikes, they are not needed!!

[@danytheunicorn95]

brendogg being robbed

[@RamYou-z1p]

@@danytheunicorn95 thats just sad, but not a trend

[@antonmilius5197]

The yuppie-like mentality prevalent in mountain biking culture is incredibly tiresome. Not everyone can afford trendy bikes that cost thousands, and even older bikes can be made to match modern standards with just a few modifications. For example, the fixed gear bike culture has values worth adopting, emphasizing that cycling is always fun, whether you're rich or poor. ❤

[@philipparris4287]

Tracklocross is getting big

[@Miraflores1990]

Don't forget integrated cable routing on the headset... Is always disgusting 😢

[@SteezyridewearUK]

On a DJ its fine...

[@brielymartinmtb4850]

@@SteezyridewearUK yeah but that's different it actually has a use

[@tomasvicente3217]

Everything being so overpriced and under-engineered, from bikes to components, to apparel might have something to do with the struggles

[@andrewince8824]

Seriously. My Sled is 7 years old and no less up-to-date than a 24 bike. And why in Britain, a nation renowned for always pissing it down, can I not find a single actually waterproof jacket? £100+ for something which barely withstands a light misting, it's obscene.

[@leighwood8700]

Im not surprised bike manufacturers are going out of business. They’re charging the earth for their products. And to be honest their greed has bitten them in the butt! They need to cheapen the costs of bike significantly.

[@DarthFurball]

💯

[@michaelannetts5839]

Not specific to 2024 obviously but tools required to fit/remove a part costing almost as much as the part itself can do one

[@DomRorke]

Regards the comments about gravel bikes Vs road bikes Vs mountain bikes - What's the issue? Neither discipline needs to beat the other. They don't compete, they're all great fun. I race CX, xc MTB, ride Enduro, ride and race gravel, and ride road. Each discipline has it's own reasons to be and awesomeness!!

[@fallenshallrise]

Yeah cycling media, and some cyclists, like to push the agenda that once they have dictated what the industry approved cycling categories are then everyone else has to conform and own only 1 type of bike and only do 1 type of riding. Their ideas are unrealistic and kind of dumb. Obviously anyone who is into bikes owns as many as they have the space for because it's fun to switch it up. Even BMX riders who are probably the most likely to stick with 1 kind of bike usually own a klunker and maybe a bike life bike or a bikepacking rig.

[@kenh6096]

I do some fitness training on my cross bike outside of racing and somehow I magically become a "gravel rider"???? Have you even see the new crop of flat bar "gravel bikes"? They are literally just a mountain bike lol. Does that make my rigid mountain bikes now suddenly cross bikes? It's hilarious and just reeks of the commercial marketing nonsense the cycle industry is drowning in these days.

[@slick-riq]

1. $7000-$12000 bikes 2. Headset cable routing 3. Canyon k.i.s 4. High pivots/idlers is very gimmicky and adds unnecessary complexity

[@Valentin359]

I hate that "E-mtb" bage immediately increases price of a bike for 2,5-3k € in comparison to the same, but non electric model. I hate it, because I know exactly that all electric stuff inside costs no more than 1,5k for manufacturers.

[@SquevilSqueak]

I bought a gravel bike this year after coming to terms that I’d rather ride further over gnarlier. I LOVE it. It goes over everything, is faster and I can ride all day on it. If I only had 1 bike it would be an easy choice for me.

[@flavius_stilichon4707]

Nobody wants to spend money on overpriced bikes.

[@DarthFurball]

This. The ridiculous prices for bikes being normalized. At this rate, casual riders are going to chooses cheap e-bikes any day of the week, and most won't even get in to the market to begin with.

[@niux919]

Guilty as charged when it comes to gravel bikes. Bough one 2 weeks ago and I'm really enjoying it. As much as I love my MTBs, they are pain to ride long distances in the town. Gravel is just perfect bike for people who need efficient bike on the road with ability to cut through some field or dusty ducts.

[@JeanArenas-d6c]

I ride my Enduro bike all over town, making the most of urban pits, jumps, staicases, and technical terrain. There is no pain to riding any bike as long as you have fitted the seat, handlebars and levers to your body.

[@Doc_Raphy]

I agree. I also bought a gravel bike to use for work commutes. I prefer the better comfort on my mountain bike but I want something faster and I don't like the hassle of servicing my fork quarterly

[@ghostAFsky]

Gravel bikes are just bikes. They don't have to take away from anything else. Road bikes with bigger tires that are a little more comfortable just make sense, it's different branding but nothing novel. Stop the stupid hate, bikes for everyone!

[@BaldKiwi117]

I don't hate gravel bikes but I do hate the industry for marketing it as some new innovation and pricing it as such. As if bikers wouldn't be able to see right through it.

[@simonrook5743]

Very much, a mate has bought a gravel bike which he uses for rougher road rides and commuting, works well for both purposes, he’s also going to use it for a flanders sportiv where the road bike is downright uncomfortable.

[@th3gughy]

Indeed, a gravel bike should be the cheapest of bikes because it's just a road bike, with more materials on (less precision required). It's just a nickname for a heavy road bike!

[@JeffMTBinVA]

Nukeproof and Vitus going under was the worst. It still makes me sad. 😢

[@gmbn]

Us too 😞

[@stuartclark7488]

The judging at Redbull rampage doesn't make sense. I'm not saying that Brendon should have won, but an 11th place finish was an insult. He nailed the run, took huge risks, and did it with style.

[@shemshem9998]

The entirety of judgement seems more off and off. Meybe we need a new judges criteria and point weighting, because it just didnt make sence. The way to win the last years just seems to be doing regular slopestyle down a hill instead of regular slopes... it seems that big tricks are weighted better than big hits like it used to be all about. Going for three 10m backflip tailwhips on ok jumps seems to be a far better score than going for a full on 30m flat take off frontflip into space, but the nature of hardline is for these big huge hits and pushing whats posible

[@algimantaspeciulis6203]

@@stuartclark7488 make it like eurovision where the public votes

[@munga1302]

The marketing in the mtb industry these days is insane and ridiculous, we don't really need much to have a good ride

[@Wes_of_the_Woods]

I'm glad the original owners got Kona back.

[@gmbn]

Us too! Hopefully they can turn it around

[@ZauxieMoto]

Orange kinda deserves it after one of there frames granated and they tried to silence the guy never sended him a new frame or anything 😤

[@kenh6096]

Being in warranty in the bike trade I can say with absolute certainty a lot of brands are guilty of similar and worse. If it was not specifically against my terms of contract I could tell you far worse from brands you would probably consider having great reputations.

[@Dremansworld]

I have a MTB and a road bike. My road bike will be the casualty when i buy a gravel bike. I will just add a wheelset with road tyres.

[@andyk3643]

I still don't understand the gravel bike hype.

[@SquevilSqueak]

Try one a few times.

[@seven9766]

I dont hate gravel bikes but the fact that they are a trend. They are what MTBs were 20 years ago with slightly different marketing. Years ago i chose a light, well equipped XC hardtail as my daily rider through town and forest, it may not be the fastest bike down the mountain but in my experience it ended up being the fastest for up and down combined. Plus its somewhat low maintenance for general use. Thing is, different tires + removing the front fork + drop bars and you couldnt distinguish it from a gravel bike.... Road bikes are just too specialized for my purposes, same as enduros.

[@kenh6096]

yup. Have you even seen the new trend in flat bar gravel bikes? They are not even trying to hide it any more. It's just an old school style MTB.

[@nukedathlonman]

Wireless bikes - can't call it fully wireless though unless they include Blake's wireless brakes.... Speaking of which, how is the 2.0 development going Blake? 🙂

[@gmbn]

Slowly! Or rapidly... depends which way you look at it 😅

[@nukedathlonman]

@@gmbn LOL 🤣

[@seano218]

I hated to see 27.5 hardtails not available anymore. Why can't we have all sizes for everyone? It would sell more bikes and components.

[@Valentin359]

Because only a few short people need 27.5. Everyone else is happy with 29

[@xtrabass1]

Its not height question. Bmx got 20" dj got 26" you would not want either of those in 29" 27.5 is good size for rigid and playful hardtail​ or full sus.29 is just too big for some terrain@@Valentin359

[@icebrew]

The worst 2024 mtb trend ir the fact that a high end bike cost as much as a 200hp motorcycle, And e-bikes easily surpass that.

[@georgekrpan3181]

You missed internal dropper posts on gravel bikes. I have one, it rules. It also came with 2 inch tires and a wide, flared handlebar.

[@the6ig6adwolf]

Elite riders performing at the highest levels will benefit from all the insane technology that their R&D teams can come up with, but the average rider does not. Forcing these "advancements" onto the average paying customer was the bike industries downfall. People don't need 5-10k bikes, and if that's all you can offer, then you deserve whatever fate comes your way, even if that means brands are going out of business.

[@DarthFurball]

Exactly. Just sheer stupidity that they aren't trying to expand the customer base, rather than pandering to those who want to show off to others in a Starbucks parking lot

[@the6ig6adwolf]

@DarthFurball mountain biking used to be about exploration, adventure, and physical fitness, now it's about looking cool in the lift line.

[@travisstorkan905]

Well if bike companies maybe hadn’t gauged the average person on markup of all the bikes during the COVID years it would be easier to feel for these companies but the average bike costing well over 3000 dollars i think they got there money

[@ChristophMühlheim]

Hating Gravel and loving E-Bikes - you guys have it the wrong way around.

[@jamesjenkins8373]

YT is doing good and has a pretty simple suspension design

[@jamesjenkins8373]

@ I’ll take a simple suspension design that works good and is easy to service and take apart. As a mechanic that matters more to me.

[@stfu4823]

i think dirtjumperd are a trend alot of mtbers got into especially this year i’m very excited to see how far it’s going to go

[@justinh7099]

I'm curious the statistic of bike purchasers deciding their purchase based on race teams/pro riders results. Given a lot of these teams are using unobtainable modified versions of these frames and installed products it doesn't seem it would be much of an influence.

[@sunharper-zahn8788]

I feel like gravel biking is getting way to mtb oriented. Especially when it comes to tires getting wider, and the addition of gravel forks. at some point just use an xc bike.

[@jomo9454]

Bike brands going out of business - well, if they're only going to build for the millionaire market they shouldn't be too surprised when the millionaires are all full up with luxury bikes, so if they have no other products what will they do? If they had the foresight to take the knowledge from their premium lines and put together heavier, maybe less aero $500 bikes not necessarily for racing but good enough not to kill people, ride comfortably but fast when wanted, and last a while. There is one issue with budget bikes, and it's that assembling a bike isn't really something appropriate for a regular big box store employee. To solve this they could include a certificate for assembly at your nearest local affiliated bike shop (which that shop could use for their own wholesale purchases as well if they want to sell the budget models) and if they really do it right that labor will be minimal and the buyer can feel confident. Hopefully what will happen from these brands disappearing is that other companies will take over those shops or equipment inexpensively and use that to springboard into bike companies not necessarily just for the cutting edge rider but for the masses who need good, affordable bikes.

[@rusty2222]

integrated cable routing with no frame ports. Yes Santa Cruz, I'm looking at you.

[@mattroberts815]

Gravel will become cross country from the old days. 2+ hour races, not crazy technical, good variety of surfaces and trail types. Cross country vacated the space so gravel will step in.

[@Alan_27ATH]

I don’t see the hate towards gravel bikes. If it gets more people out and on a bicycle, I’m all for it.

[@digital.olimon]

I've been wanting to get back into mountain biking for q few years now... but they are soooooo expensive these days.

[@arekb5951]

and still, they're fairly cheap if you consider what you get for your money if you compare them to other bike types, gravel bikes that miss half of the expensive stuff (and often aren't that much lighter) can cost even more

[@guy72277]

Only if you refuse to buy a used bike.

[@gmbn]

Any bike is a good bike! We're massive advocates of run what you've brung! So long as you're outside having fun instead of sat at home we're all for it

[@derKischda]

I started 2 years ago with the cheapest version of the Canyon Stoic and upgraded some parts on the go. I still have a ton of fun on it and don't know if a "better" bike would give me much more fun than I have at the moment. If you have a budget of a little under 1k you can do that aswell just know that you are going to ride a hardtail.

[@richardclark9425]

Where I live we can’t ride in the rain. We happen t have world class gavel roads. Riding a trail bike on the road blows. Hence gravel bikes

[@drumbrakes]

What exactly is the difference between a cyclo-cross bike and a gravel bike?

[@gdosiu]

I would add to Trends That We Hated: the strut-mount suspension design with a yoke, which is becoming increasingly popular in e-bikes like the Orbea Rise, Amflow PL, Lapierre Overvolt, and Specialized Turbo Levo. In this design, the shock acts as a structural element, which can lead to issues like air leaks, oil leakage, or even breakage.

[@jokermtb]

Horst link wins forever

[@doctajuice]

​@@jokermtbany type of 4-bar linkage, horst or not, is great. Dual link is also quite good and the shock is not structural in either design

[@ManchurianCounterweight]

no.

[@shredthetrack6858]

I was searching for a new Bike and Most Bikes with great parts Had Wireless shifting. It was so hard to find a good Bike with decent spec that was Not Wireless.

[@bchearne]

I don’t hate e-bikes, but I do hate the conflation of them with traditional bikes. They’re a different animal altogether, so folks should stop acting like they’re just cool new mountain bikes!

[@10100110101]

This. The “we’re all just mountain bikers” argument is bullshit. It’s not the same at all

[@tonyp2632]

Bikes and apparel got to expensive. Who's buying them? I'm still riding my 2011 Giant Talon 29 1 hardtail.

[@Magoo71]

A rigid Gravel bike taking over.....Oh I don't think so....next thing you know they will have motors!

[@altafari]

Wireless is the future cables suck! Berndogg is the spirit of Rampage.

[@CranxCycling]

What does Rich say at 2-46, I can't tell? Listened to it back a few times and it sounds to be like he's saying 'house cyclocross ad', which I'm pretty sure he isn't, lol. Thing is, I've CC'd YT and the subtitles read 'house cyc across', which is no better lol! Cheers

[@123a-o5d]

How cyclocross has

[@burningatthetrailhead]

I'm annoyed of KZbinrs pushing ebike content and sales. I like bikes but it's still annoying

[@dadventuretv2538]

I have not been excited about a new mountain bike release in about three years. Everything is so dialed in, geometry, suspension, shocks, shifting. for the recreational rider, which is most of us most of the components can take way more than any of us can dish out to them. All of the improvements are nothing more than small tweaks or gimmicks or simply a different way of doing something that is not any better. Electric mountain bikes are still in their relative infancy and so of course the technological changes are coming fast and quick. That being said I bought my ibis Oso in December and it is freaking awesome and will be for at least the next 10 years. I’m not buying a new electric mountain bike simply because, the battery is 3 pounds lighter or the motor supplies five watts more power.

[@jeffreydzialo]

I'm tired of e bikes and electronic components. Let's leave it all behind in 2024!

[@BaldKiwi117]

Lol

[@gmbn]

Hold on for 2025! 😅

[@timpie4456]

Brendog was indeed robbed. I've watched his run over and over and while it wasn't perfect, the line his team built was super technical - it was pure freeride - and this should have at least got him on the podium. But what do I know? Glad we all agree on this then.

[@Muddel-pz1lv]

Why the hate for gravel? How old are you guys?

[@mioumitsou]

not a MTB but VanMoof also whent under

[@ManlyBalls1946]

Monster will be creating their own Rampage 😁

[@mr.peters6483]

Brendog was great but not the best. His placement was definetly to low.

[@Justin-ny6un]

Glad to see anti-cableism made the list. Seems pointless when they’re already putting routing in for a dropper and rear brake all for the sake of a few grams. Weight wasn’t an issue adding glove boxes. Not surprising PON is shutting down the new Santa Cruz factory in Germany after 2 years when they’re doing this stupid 💩

[@grahamreeve5209]

Brendan was robbed

[@blakekennard7700]

If I put drop bars on my 98 chromolly Scott 26”- boom- instant gravel bike. Not a new thing at all

[@SquevilSqueak]

It’s really not. I was riding retro mountain bikes for distance riding with the same idea. An actual gravel bike is in a different league.

[@blakekennard7700]

@@SquevilSqueaknow I’m curious, where do you find the most difference? Ride quality, geo, components?

[@SquevilSqueak]

It’s difficult to really point out one thing really. A modern groupset plays a big part. 700c wheels too. Tubeless. You can ghetto tubeless a 26er but it’s not as good or reliable. QR wheels are not as stiff. I have a pretty high spec 97 Kona. HS33s, hope wheels, pace forks etc. as fun as it is. It’s just not as good. If I could sum it up in 1 word I’d say efficiency.

[@blakekennard7700]

@@SquevilSqueak thanks for the reply and insight. In the wheels alone there would be a huge difference. Thought about turning my Scot into a single speed for jetting around in an urban setting. But it wouldn’t be as good off road considering it’s a 26”. Good talk👍

[@rtgMTB]

literally just got my nukeproof megawatt lol rip to me

[@stfu4823]

ah yes i love this video it’s sad and true like with the teams and mtb brands

[@fid420]

Full rigid plus bikes ftw

[@SwordFighterPKN]

Go with wheeltop and you are not limited to expensive wireless systems, oh wait that price point is not what this channel covers.

[@laattamaa]

Btw Pole's story continues🔥

[@tomskar4992]

Care to elaborate a bit?

[@laattamaa]

@tomskar4992 pole had yesterday update regarding to this situation on its facebook, they said that some one has bought Pole and they are returning to their roots.

[@tomskar4992]

@@laattamaa Insane news. Makes me happy.

[@davidwebb974]

Are you not melting your helmet back there?

[@paulblackwood46]

Being treated as a wallet annoyed me most this year. When most of the channels I follow all started spouting about shorter cranks and steering dampers (and other equally pointless tat) at the same time, I tuned-out and just rode my bike.

[@BaldKiwi117]

Shorter cranks actually makes sense for some people

[@paulblackwood46]

Thats what you got from my post? I was making the point that a high percentage of the channels i sub to all started pimping the same products at the same time. Like they were all sucking from the same corporate teat, but outwardly pretending to be independant.

[@Ammotive28]

Pole bikes were daft and Rapha is so over priced

[@axeldahlqvist9004]

Nooo, the only quality mtb brand from my home country(that I know of) is bankrupt

[@enfeeyano]

@@axeldahlqvist9004 which 1?

[@litwanlazerdimfan]

No way Nukeproof went out of buisness

[@gmbn]

They did indeed. Super sad, lot of good people in that company!

[@litwanlazerdimfan]

@ 😔

[@artixsweden]

the thing is that you don't ride bikes, you ride downhill

[@mikenimmick3920]

Gravel bikes...barely ok on the road...horrible in the woods. No thanks. Go ride a railroad graded trail with them. They're frigging useless.

[@heyhey8554]

27.5 and 29. Hate ‘em

[@seano218]

Especially mullets.

[@bchearne]

What are you saying? You like 26” wheels? Contrarian alert!

[@michaelcorriveau4944]

29er mtbs rip, this is heresy

[@jokermtb]

Brendan WONT be back….

[@Dangit-Dangit]

Smugness personified!

[@-IE_it_yourself]

gravel bikes are bikepacking bikes.

[@DirtlovR]

2:09 bruuuh

[@Erectie]

2:04 😂😂😂😂

[@alexest2665]

The bald guy is so handsome

[@ignaciosevil1944]

getting out of biss ""

[@mattyice4001]

Bike makers made their bed and now they may lay upon it. Pole is paradoxically on your list. An overpriced, overengineered solution to a problem that did not exist. Why are we surprised or concerned that they went out of business? Buh bye. Bikes are too expensive and makers have priced them "because people will pay". Well surprise, now they wont pay. Lower prices or die. Also, nobody who actually rides mtb is picking up a gravel bike. It is not even the same sport. If anything it inceases sales but will not cut into mtb in the long run.

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

The wrongly applied technical concepts like "tuned" mass dampers that aren't tuned and steering dampers that are not dampers, etc etc Makes you think that most R&D dept of bike manufacturers are just a bunch of monkeys throwing wrenches, if you need real engineers you need to ask to see their diplomas and see if they were radiated by their professional orders 😂 Banana peels are not academic proofs, just saying.

[@Mtb9r]

Here in Colorado you never know what you’re gonna see out there. E bikes there are a game changer.

[@dlburke1]

Oh no not Rapha. 😂

[@andrewince8824]

Have to say it, the absolute lack of real innovation. I'm running a DMR Sled, it's an alloy frame from 2017. It's brilliant. 160mm rear travel, 170mm up front, 650b wheels, post mount. Slach head angle, internal dropper routing (and sadly internal cable routing in general). There is no difference between my 7 year old bike and a 24 bike. Nothing I can't retrofit, nothing new I can't live without. It feels like there's nothing new except the price. We can see the price issue shine in the new RS fork, the Psylo. Mate picked one up for under £600, it performs as brilliantly as a mid-range Pike. Performance for pound the Psylo leaves the Pike way behind. It proves a good bike shouldn't cost a fortune. Look at the best kit. DMR deathgrips, £17 vs £40+ Ergons. HT P03A pedals, £35 vs £130 Stamps (ridden both, both are awesome). The sadly extinct Brand X Ascend II dropper, £100 vs a £250 Reverb (okay, unfair, the reverb is shit) or even a £200 PNW. What would you rather spend your money on? It feels the sport is getting more expensive yet offering nothing new.

[@SplitRing]

'Round here, gravel bikers just seem to bring their classic grumpy roadie entitlement to the fire roads because they're apparently too scared/something to ride the miles and miles of actual fun singletrack.

[@RobHill00]

Seriously guys your both look like Ron Burgundy reading the autocue🤔😂

[@gmbn]

You mean to say they're naturals???! 😉

[@sjanzeir]

Unless the flat-bar gravel bike goes mainstream (or at least becomes a thing,) I'm not interested. 😁

[@wantahertzdonut]

I'm not a fan of the trend of whining about trends I don't like.

[@GrahamFootBicycleLover]

hahaha, Fully rigid... Fatbike man.

[@philipparris4287]

Makes sense for snow,or sand .Nothing else does the job as well as a fatbike

[@philipparris4287]

Ride in the snow much?

[@hansmaker1236]

E-bikes, end it now. That stuff is a total other categorie… i stoped watching most bike channels because of that e bike trash.

[@stevemac9486]

Did ye aye?

[@greenhill26]

AGREE!

[@Pieterpittigeportiepeperpathe]

I think an e-enduro bike is a great idea

[@bigbigpedro100]

FIRST! ....... AWW SHIT!

[@Velo1010]

1. Gravel bikes I just don’t get. Yea they are great to county roads that a road bike cannot handle. 2. E-bikes will be more appealing once companies can shrink the motor and battery so that they are closer to their cousin in weight. 2. Wireless technology is here to stay.

[@littledevilchris666]

Gmbn presenters getting absolutley broken. Deffo fed up of this! & Brendog being robbed!

[@ERKNEES2]

E bike might as well be motorcycles at this point,

[@stevebennett3587]

😂hopfully ive got a few years on my ragley hardtail, fuss sussers requires alot more servicing🤔E bikes not for me😆i would buy a motorbike instead👍😉

[@TCK71]

The loss of Chain Reaction Cycles and Nuke Proof and Headset routing. 💩