2024 Mustang GT Dyno Shootout: VMP Gen 6 Supercharger vs Odin Level 2 Supercharger

[@joeyg1170]

Wait…you have a video of the Odin making 730 on a 2018 gen 3. On less boost. What is going on here? Does that mean the 2018 is better than the 2024 gen 4? Or are you down playing Magnuson because you’re on the whipple train now. Roush is making the same power with basically an Odin with dual throttle body. All you’re doing is confusing people.

[@GarageFanatic]

Called them out. Lol

[@joeyg1170]

@@GarageFanatic fuckin right. I spent 13k Canadian on an Odin kit with them. Now they are basically bashing their own product. I’m pissed.

[@jplperformance9073]

Yeah I am very confused

[@GarageFanatic]

@@joeyg1170 it’s not a bad blower. But what the did was super wrong. They are going to loose a lot of customers over this video. Sounds like one are one of them.

[@joeyg1170]

@@GarageFanatic I like the blower but if I need repairs am I gonna get the support?

[@allthevibes46]

They keep on saying Whipple partnership......what's different besides the design on top of the lid? It's the same exact blower that Lethal has except with their own Lethal lid decal on top as well😂. Same blower between Whipple/Lethal/VMP. Marketing strategies for the S650 have just been a youtube circus all across the board

[@edddiaz4202]

They are all whipples

[@OSMINCONDE23]

Under rated comment 😂😂😂

[@brendanmccarthy492]

It’s got a bigger intercooler. Hence bigger supercharger. Ofc it’s gonna make more power

[@allthevibes46]

@brendanmccarthy492 you misread my comment......there is no difference besides the vmp or lethal company logo on the lid of the gen 6 whipple.

[@OSMINCONDE23]

@@allthevibes46 there’s no real @vmp engineering going on. None of them have a degree in that field. Plus like you said no real difference other than the logo

[@AllThingsBoost]

Why does the 24' make so much less power than the 18' with the same blower setup?

[@sd24734]

tuning is my guess... they tested this on the Whipple tune so of course the Whipple is going to make more power.

[@LMBC6Brian]

Ok HOLD up. Time to answer some questions. Firstly, HOW/WHOS tune is being used with the ODIN? Whipple's tune? Stock tune?? There is no other tuning solution for the 24, so the ODIN is gimped by a whipple tune... Geee no wonder the whipple won. Also did you see all the knock it was picking up when you ran the ODIN? That car was chuffing out the back like a steam train... What a loaded test man. You 100% would be able to match or beat the whipple if you were able to tune the ODIN correctly. That 2650 rotor pack is so much more efficient than the whipple we all know that and you proved it running the same boost as the "GEN 2" 3L whipple... What a shit show this was.

[@edmundnlemadim8480]

"That 2650 rotor pack is so much more efficient than the whipple" go ahead and log off playboy... it's clear you have no clue what youre talking about lol. The reference to the Gen 5/6 3.0L Whipple as a "GEN 2" just sealed the deal. Clueless and spouting off.

[@johnnyjackson1783]

@@edmundnlemadim8480 Do you have data or are you just nutswinging off of blower marketing?

[@tonyrowzee18]

I loved my VMP Odin but after this video I think I’m just gonna go to On3 turbos.

[@coyotepat4133]

The Gen3r was the king of TVS blowers. I made 725whp on a Gen1... a GEN1... on PUMP 93... and it was only 11.5lbs of boost. Pulled it to 7600rpm and it was great. Very disappointed that we dont have that anymore.

[@perrytraore4112]

Didn’t that blower make more on an 2018

[@CB-op7ty]

Who remembers the blower wars back in gen 1 and 2 coyote era? Anyway i just wanna know how long you all will carry on supporting the gen 3r, is there a time frame that ends with it not being available for purchase anymore?

[@GarageFanatic]

This wasn’t posted because the new roush blower sponsored by Magnuson is releasing soon 😂 Whipple seems like they’re getting worried

[@chuckharter5954]

I assure you Whipple isn't concerned in the slightest lol

[@GarageFanatic]

@@chuckharter5954 not from a performance aspect 🙂. Talking about from Sales perspective. A bigger blower is always going to make more power with the same boost level. That’s a given. Whipple is making it very obvious that they’re trying to beat up the Magnuson blower before it gets released again. What I don’t understand about Sales. A company looks better talking about how good their product is rather talking about how bad someone else’s is ☺️

[@chuckharter5954]

@@GarageFanatic I don't see anyone talking bad. The video was a presentation of facts. It also wasn't made by Whipple, nor did Whipple have any input in the video

[@GarageFanatic]

@@chuckharter5954 vmp represents Whipple same thing. You sound like you work for Vmp?

[@johnnyjackson1783]

@@chuckharter5954Not really, if it was concerned with being factual the Odin wouldn’t have been hamstrung with a twin 69 throttle body

[@brandonbarsh2900]

AMRY

[@somethingtough]

Talking Shit Tuesday gonna be good tonight

[@coyotekelly7143]

Well I'm sure you would make the Magnuson TVS look bad since you now lost that contract and roush has it. I just can't believe that the former king of TVS is now just another logo on a Whipple lid...

[@yoganlates7775]

Why did the car smoke so bad with the 2650? Looked like it blew up IMHO

[@LMBC6Brian]

It was picking up so much knock, so it was pulling timing and you can see the puffing out of the back when it does it.

[@foundasandbag4116]

Looks like the Odin got some knock on the dyno pull…..could be wrong but that’s what it looked like

[@LMBC6Brian]

Shitloads. You could see it puffing out the back like a steam locomotive. What a shitty test.

[@Ashton.munozz]

Why is the oden run blowing white smoke but the whipple is a clean run ?

[@jeremyplatt1159]

So I’m guessing both of these runs were on the whipple tune???? What would the numbers be if the tune on the odin was optimal for the tvs?? And how is this an equal comparison when the odin is a smaller blower than the whipple? Amry here just saying you should put all the facts out there

[@josecuervo4730]

Im trying to figure out why i would buy a whipple from vmp? When i can buy it from whipple or any other vendor? Just the logo?

[@commycomentor9695]

We will see tomorrow when roush debuts it

[@coreyschuette4897]

Boost pressure is boost pressure.... The displacement shows up with pulley combo... 3.5 vs 3.875 pulley. Basically saying the 2.65 spins faster than the 3.0 to produce 12 psi of boost. That Whipple made more power on the same amount of boost. Everywhere at that. Good data for sure!

[@chuckharter5954]

What would change in the tune? How does the engine know what is making 12 psi?

[@jakenorris5665]

Displacement of the rotor set doesn’t matter when the size and parasitic loss is roughly the same. Also the “tune” wouldn’t be any different for a TVS application…

[@bootlegger2389]

So a bigger supercharger makes more power at the same boost level as a smaller supercharger.... makes sense.

[@johnnyjackson1783]

Nah, marketing shadiness is going on in this test. That twin 69 throttle body was a major choke point for the Odin.

[@bootlegger2389]

@johnnyjackson1783 100% that TB is a choke point. I bet the Roush setup shows out.

[@JeeshGaming]

It does make sense lol. Bigger blower moves more cfm. Still moves more air even though they’re both at 12psi of boost. Those new whipples are kick ass units, especially with how efficient the intercoolers are now.

[@johnnyjackson1783]

@@JeeshGaming The Whipple doesn’t move more air at the same boost. It’s a physical impossibility. If the same exact engine was being force fed with more air it would show a corresponding increase in boost pressure since the engine’s flow rate didn’t change. Don’t confuse blower displacement with “more air”. Yes, the larger blower displaces more air per revolution (positive displacement) but that doesn’t mean it is forcing more air to the intake ports at the same boost level. There are both rotor speeds and inlet flow to consider. If these engines are seeing the same boost pressure but different power outputs the only thing that would cause them to make different power is (assuming all other factors have been honestly equalized) mechanical efficiency of the supercharger itself or an airflow restriction in one of them. Twin screws are historically not mechanically more efficient than TVSs. The Odin was absolutely choked by that twin 69 TB and likely didn’t have a very dialed in tune.

[@southfloridanick]

That’s absolutely NOT why the Whipple won the comparison. It’s about the efficiency of the Whipple - it takes LESS power to make the same boost. Remember, PD superchargers take a lot of power to turn (parasitic loss). It’s also the efficiency of the design, which equates to lower air temps. Twin screws are MORE efficient than TVS rotors. The TVS is simply a fan and the compression of air occurs by the fans cramming it into the post rotor space…. The twin screw actually compresses air between the rotors. Eaton (they make the TVS rotors) tried for awhile to make a 3.0L rotor pack, but it proved to be far less efficient and produced LESS power at the same boost, Justin referenced this in the video.

[@boogiedownbully6493]

Ahhh who would’ve thought a bigger displacement SC making more HP and your tune is set specifically to the Whipple blower and gen 4 motor. Also curious how much R&D went into optimizing the tune of VMP blower for the Gen 4 motor. This is NOT an apples to apples comparison. Love you guys and your products but ya’ll getting your Spin Doctor on with this one.

[@na4valve]

I have no doubt the 3.0 makes more power with everything equal but why neuter the 2.65 with a twin 69 and not use the 163R? I would guess the same pulley would make another 20-30 whp with the big mono. Yes it may see a little more boost but it would still make more power even with a 3.6 pulley on the 2.65.

[@funnierthan2476]

VMP really weird for actually calling the 3.0L their supercharger but ignore questions asking whats the difference between their 3.0L and Whipples.

[@firstgenon24s]

I feel that this has been answered so many times.

[@Hoodie2103]

VMP with their own TVS designs 👍🏽 VMP selling out to Whipple and getting a Vmp lid 👎🏽

[@chuckharter5954]

Did you watch the video? The tvs was great for it's time, but the Whipple technology has surpassed it

[@Hoodie2103]

@@chuckharter5954 yes, you missed the point. Right over your head.

[@LMBC6Brian]

@@chuckharter5954 Its the difference in tuning. The magnuson 2650 rotor pack is superior to the TS rotor pack of the whipple.

[@GarageFanatic]

@@chuckharter5954 You opinion is biased and you work for Whipple. Lol. you are getting paid to comment so your opinion doesn’t matter anymore

[@johnnyjackson1783]

@@chuckharter5954 No it hasn’t. Whipple marketing has surpassed it

[@jb-re3vr]

that was a cool test and obviously the Whipple is more efficient. though to have a true efficiency reading you need to use an intake flow meter to get accurate results the horsepower and torque will be much closer, but the test would show the difference in parasitic losses

[@OSMINCONDE23]

Sheesh, Starkey stop the cap with the apples to oranges comparison. Plus you’re also shitting on your own product! I’ll give you free advice here, take this video down and continue selling that little whipple kit there while you can because Roush is on top as of today 👍🏽

[@Elver_Galarga_jugo]

This didnt age well seeing as Roush's version of the 2650 put down more power than the Odin did in this video on the same boost. Not just that, other shops have tested the whipple and havent made 720whp whithout LTHs.

[@andrewmccready7849]

Why the hot air intake? Looks like the stock airboxes would fit?

[@10r80sergio]

With or without octane booster? On both blowers

[@commycomentor9695]

Probably with, everyone has been running octane booster in coyotes since the 1st boosted gen 1s back in 2011. It’s been commonplace for over a decade

[@minibikemadman]

can't forget no cats either.

[@commycomentor9695]

@@minibikemadmanof course, only a fool would leave Cats on a boosted engine

[@toljo433]

@@minibikemadman nah man it's on pump gas (e30 mix) and stock cats (gutted)

[@minibikemadman]

@commycomentor9695 the biggest restriction in a supercharged car of course they won't test with em...they know cat protection will kill HP.

[@Ricky50scJustalil6cylinder]

tvs ftw

[@johnnyjackson1783]

Except when you choke it with twin 69 throttle body and a shitty tune 😂

[@Sik.Suki_750.]

Did you really “partner” with whipple!? Or did they give you an opportunity 🤣 You gave up on the tvs!! 🤦🏾‍♂️🤡

[@midnight347]

I think it was because at the time nothing else was available. They would have had to waited nearly a year or more for roush in order to try and develope something with them. Because the tuning is locked down they have to go with whatever has a cookie cutter Ford approved tuned available for 24s. This has more to do with locked down 24s than vmp imo lol

[@Sik.Suki_750.]

@@midnight347 then develop!!! Right!!? They’re always trying to talk all fancy like they know something! Why not explore bigger more efficient rotor packs for a tvs that can compete with the bigger whipple? Why bow to almighty and kiss as$!??? TVS is king and they failed it! They held TVS on their backs!! Now who do we have to rely on in the aftermarket for TVS!??

[@johnnyjackson1783]

Needed to sign on with Whipple to get around Ford encryption on the 2024

[@LMBC6Brian]

They have no choice. There is no tuning for it for the 24. What are they going to sell it with a whipple tune??? LOL

[@edddiaz4202]

@@Sik.Suki_750. agree with you

[@FordMuscle]

Great test! Thanks for doing this!

[@vabch82]

Way to completely 💩 on your TVS customers and dealers!

[@bullittboost6046]

The Odin’s lid or appearance looks better than the Whipple to me.

[@julez1787]

Why is the Odin setup smoking out the tailpipe?…could it be bad fuel😂

[@d1arkness161]

when are tunes coming out!!!

[@commycomentor9695]

Utmost respect for doing this… and dropping the vid before roush.

[@jorgegutierrez3054]

They had no choice but to drop this vid before Roush....definitely not a Roush fan,but I'll take a TVS before a Whipple any day or the week....

[@commycomentor9695]

Why? Same price for less HP/TQ.. do you then.

[@jorgegutierrez3054]

@commycomentor9695 the price hasn't come out yet

[@jorgegutierrez3054]

@commycomentor9695 by the way Whipple didn't disclose all the mods they did to get to that number...they also didn't mention that they used occtane boost on 93

[@chuckharter5954]

@@jorgegutierrez3054yes the price is out, it's $9995

[@freedom6919741]

But you can put the Odin on 85 and make way more horsepower. Oh wait that’s a 2024 it’s untunable I forgot.

[@bootlegger2389]

Oh, and why didnt you make both pulls at the same rpm? Odin pull begins at 3k and Whipple at 3.5k

[@edmundnlemadim8480]

doesnt matter. all you and 99% of this comment section are concerned with is peak torque and peak horsepower. You are NOT concerned with what it makes on tip in of throttle, so this question is pointless lol

[@728GT]

Because 500 rpms doesnt matter. The 3L made more torque everywhere and held the difference throughout the pull. You can do some quick math and predict the output if you really wanted.

[@bootlegger2389]

@edmundnlemadim8480 awwww. Whipple fanboy with his panties in a bunch? Its a legit question as I run an Odin on my 18 F150.

[@bootlegger2389]

@Lifeof728 oh for sure. I was just curious as to why they didnt make the pulls identical. With All the hoopla about 24s going around, I was just curious as to their reason.

[@edmundnlemadim8480]

@@bootlegger2389 not a fanboy of anything in terms of power adders. I am a fan of questions that have a purpose, and not useless ones. Use critical thinking and look at the graphs; it's linear. Start the pull 500 rpm earlier *the Whipple would have still out-powered the Odin* there's enough data in front of you to use common sense to come to this conclusion without questioning the veracity of the test. The 'panties in a bunch quip' pretty much lets me know that I'm probably overestimating your ability to think though. lol

[@Ashton.munozz]

Lmao how Did the Gen 3 mustang 10 months ago make more power with less boost just watched the video

[@jbp1981]

One of the most frequently asked questions we’ve gotten as of late is “Why did you go Whipple for the ‘24?" My guess is there was no other option.

[@TBagr]

No partnership, you took the Whipple blower and put your lid on it.

[@brandonjones2565]

Let's see the Apex swap with race core

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[@sraldiris]

super interesting A-B comparison!

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Well done, Justin.

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[@commycomentor9695]

Wow… where’s the TVS fanboys after that big roush debut?

[@johnnyjackson1783]

The twin TB Roush is sweet. Much nicer than the Gen 5 Whipple

[@jwilson3663]

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AMRY 💪

[@commycomentor9695]

Watch roush make even less than 667 rwhp…

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