2024 Nissan Z Performance Review - Why Is No One Buying These?

[@Realistick]

Great to hear your thoughts. I felt similarly after driving the base version, the amount of potential it had was insane. I think if Nissan dialed in the the throttle, suspension and steering out of the box, it would have fared better on the market. I didn’t buy one because it would have taken a decent amount of money to make it into the car that I wanted. I feel like a lot of others felt the same way (and it’s not like the market for a new sports car is huge anyway)

[@Zygrene]

Yup those 3 things need to be addressed. It's tuned far too much like a GT, which isn't necessarily bad but doesn't align with what potential customers want. I'm itching to try one with quality coilovers and a light flywheel/tune. Total cost at that point would be on par with a GR Supra 3.0.

[@orangejuice-xi3gt]

Huh? That’s like saying if they improved every aspect of a car that makes it a sports car then it would have been actually good

[@Realistick]

@@Zygrene Yeah, that might be too much to justify against the Supra, but if you could manage to find someone with a modified Z, that would be a cool comparison to make if you could get ahold of a Stock Supra press car!

[@Realistick]

@@orangejuice-xi3gt It’s more like saying the fundamentals were good, the execution was botched🥴

[@Vermonstered]

​​@@Realistick But it sounds like the base is exactly what you'd want? $10k to put in your own limited slip, coilovers, wheels/tires and an aftermarket seat that fits you? Probably a little left over for a tune or chassis or sway bar.

[@commonduck10]

The dealers killed this car.

[@pab3783]

How?

[@240TechGuy]

​@@pab3783When it first came out, lack of inventory and dealers wanted $15k+ markup on these cars. This went on for 2 years. There are some selling without ADM, but they still slap on added accessories. The emotional drive to buy this car pretty much died with people more worried about inflation than buy a car that costs more than a Supra or V8 Mustang.

[@MaxRPMs]

@@pab3783markups, I used to work for a Nissan dealer doing photography and the z I shot was 80k with a markup. Sad thing is it was the auto. Still don’t understand why this car gets hate tho, people really need to drive one first before writing it off

[@zaheeralghul2509]

@@pab3783 marked them up way too much

[@keithjackson4985]

No, they didn't.

[@kevinburke2446]

The price man the price man

[@teddyg5936]

Yup, price. 12-15k over priced. The Z has always been the budget friendly Sports car giving you a deal. MSRP is no deal compared to competitors. The top trim Z should be no more than 43k after sales tax.

[@awepossum1059]

Selling below MSRP at this point

[@black_n5492]

And the dealer markup didn't help initial enthusiasm

[@Gearbhall]

the markups man, the markups

[@19hundoc47]

@@GearbhallBS, then why did everyone buy marked up Supras and Type Rs

[@stevemartegani]

The price jump from the 370z (increase of $20,000), the dealer markups and lack of inventory for awhile really killed interest.

[@mperformance3502]

370z mrsp was never $20k. They were in the $33k+ back in 2009. If you add in inflation, this new Z isn’t much different in price.

[@Digiphex]

Lots around even at a discount where I live. Still not selling so it is something else. For me the lack of adaptive ride, 18 way leather seats, upgraded tech, manual on the Nismo. These are features of the M2 and others that are in the bracket.

[@stevemartegani]

@mperformance3502 $20,000 was the price difference not the price. Sorry if I worded that poorly, the 370z Sport with LSD was under $35k in 2019 and now the 2024 Z Performance is $20k more. It's had possibly the biggest price increase of any of the "inexpensive" sports cars lately.

[@Gearbhall]

@@mperformance3502 while I agree with that assessment, only pricing has risen with inflation, income really has not for a lot of people so it still feels like a substantial jump in price even if it can be explained away by inflation.

[@mengx94]

It's due to inflation. Totally reasonable. But a 45k corolla? Shit ur pants and throw a fit I can't believe toyota. The audacity

[@brianbohnet1907]

The problems with this car are endless. The 400Z is a modified 370z chassis, the 370z chassis is a modified 350z chassis. This is a 20+ year old platform. The engine is a slightly tweaked redsport engine, 6 years old at time of launch. The entire car is a parts bin with the exception of the head/tail lights. At launch dealers were asking 5-10k over sticker. The community swore this was going to be a Supra killer, even the NISMO is slower in every way. It's not that it's a bad car per se, but barely anything about it is new or worth 45-60k.

[@Superdimensional]

I don’t think any of that was a problem except the dealer markups. It has a viable chassis and motor, hell the R35 and 911 chassis are just tweaked over time also, “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, just improve on it” Hell if they brought back the s-series chassis I don’t think anyone would bitch!

[@slowspecv69]

Th chassis isn’t the problem. It’s still ridged, balanced, and weighs exactly what it should given the dimensions. Sports car chassis design hasn’t changed much in the last 20 years. Supercars on the other hand have evolved a lot over that period of time chassis wise.

[@turbotime5918]

No one in the community thought this would be a Supra killer. We all knew the powertrain and chassis going into it. However, people were excited for a truly Japanese alternative with a manual.(which Supra didn’t offer at the time). I still ended up going Supra for all the reasons you mentioned.

[@brianbohnet1907]

@@Superdimensional Nissan is not Porsche, and the way they build the Z does not mirror the philosophy of Porsche. Nissan is controlled by accountants, Porsche is controlled by engineers. The decisions made along the way are not comparable

[@Yhgdsts765]

⁠@@brianbohnet1907But Porsche hasn’t changed its car design since its inception example Bugatti VW Lamborghini Audi same old designs from the 20th century

[@Veyronp87]

my theory - Nissan has damaged their brand so much in the past decade that no one cares for them anymore and the 400Z is a casualty of that. feel bad for the engineers but Nissan made their bed

[@mrdave777]

Please explain

[@grouchyoldperson3051]

Too many CVT failures

[@dre32pitt]

It's a parts bin car.. 350/370 chassis + q60 red sport motor + 6spd manual.. they did what they could with what they had.. Toyota had to go into bed with two other manufacturers to make their sports cars.. If this car was priced to top out at like $40-45k USD, it'd be a much more compelling buy.. but there's just too much on the used market in that price range that I'd rather spend my money on.. Hell, you could get 2-3 cars, if you wanted to, with a new Z budget..

[@KazSinc]

wdym? all they've done is given us the r35 and z34 this past decade

[@awepossum1059]

@@dre32pitt Yes thats how it's always worked. Used cars are better deals than new cars. This is nothign new. For the price of a $25k corolla you can get two used corollas. Yes.

[@thevoid1337]

When dealerships marked them up to $85k+ all across the states, that's what killed the hype. I saw dealerships trying to sell them for $100k as well. Even now, a new one costs around $65k. You can buy a lightly used g82 M4 for $65k.

[@Digiphex]

Not around North Carolina. They are discounted and still not selling so it is something else besides price and availability here.

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

@@Digiphex Even 60k is to much for this car, it's a Z for gosh sakes, not a damn Vette or Jaguar. And lets not forget no matter where you are in the country, dealers are not letting people test drive these things, and they have very little if any on their lots. Ordering site unseen, is not something many like to do, especially sports car enthusiasts.

[@MMK86]

$100K USD is insane

[@craigpennington1251]

@@Digiphex must be the NO SERVICE after the sale.

[@ImportedFromSerbia]

@@Digiphex buyers are gone, migrated to other brands.

[@Xander1Sheridan]

a great tuning platform is $20k, not $60k. All those car modifying companies from the 90's are gone because they realized most car guys have no money.

[@ogmechsftw]

then explain the 153132131 vw/bmw tuners out there lmao

[@seanp2k617]

… and the car guys with money buy Porsches, McLarens, Superformance Cobras, or Lotuses. Corvettes have also always been “great tuning platforms”. A built C7 manual Grand Sport with all the Katech and DSC Sport engine and suspension bits is about the fastest RWD NA manual canyon carver you can get, and even the coupes have targa tops, all for under 6 figures even new. New Z06s are ridiculous too, 95% of the fun of a 458 Spyder for less than half the price, and with twice the reliability. Plenty of great track day cars out there these days too if you want something spicier than a Miata, which are also still fantastic and some of the most fun you can have new under $30k.

[@thesearch9048]

Don't see these on the roads at all. Was interested when they first came out, but dealer mark-ups were crazy. Nowadays would look to a Supra or Mustang GT.

[@ztotheu2974]

These look tired and boring compared to the competition. Nissan is a stale brand.

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

Supra all day, and I don't say that easily because I actually like the look of the Z more, but there's just to many advantages to the Supra over the Z for me to say otherwise.

[@RiZenAsH]

I drive a semi truck for a living and the only one I've seen was one thay was being hauled to a dealership. I've never seen one on the road and I drive all over the US.

[@SiCxNeMeSiS]

As a UPS driver, I have only seen one since release date. I live in LA county

[@JohnBowl14690]

@@ztotheu2974 - Nissan is kind of stale, but I'd still pick this car over a C8 Vette. These are currently listed for $53K in my local area. I happen to like the looks of this car better than the Supra and definitely better than the Mustang.

[@apexparadigm1709]

I tried to buy one last week. 15k in dealer fees brought it to over 80k(Canadian), bad financing rates on top considering they don't sell any and still advertise 2023 models. I walked.

[@Kichoman1983]

I still remember when it first came out a local dealer in Vancouver Canada had a launch edition on the showroom floor already sold to a collector. The sales told me it was part of the deal to let them display the car for a bit before the customer could take it home. He also said they were trading for well over USD100K. I walked too.

[@FlexRogers]

That’s crazy, this thing should be 65k Canadian out the door, tops

[@19hundoc47]

Come to the US, lots under MSRP

[@hakanthorngren1406]

Dealers around Vancouver offer them at for 4K below MSRP on their web site. I think an in-between trim would have been a good idea, the 10K jump is just too much. So far I have only ever seen one Z in traffic and the few times I visited dealerships they did not have any. So no wonder they are not around, high price for the upper trims and no availability.

[@simplygregsterev]

@@FlexRogersI have a client that bought a NISMO version Over 80k CAD! . I could not believe what he paid for it. Also the platform itself is pretty ancient even with revisions. The engine I didnt find to be anything special either. Im not exactly a Mustang fan but the GT Performance Pack is over 20k cheaper at list prices…

[@deano_s2k]

No one is paying 80k for a Z. Dealers are out of control 😂

[@19hundoc47]

There’s plenty of performance Zs under MSRP. TF you talking about

[@fortheloveofnoise]

​@@19hundoc47depends on the area

[@kylee6778]

@@19hundoc47 Yup. There are three Z's at my local dealer. Two are under MRSP. They've all been sitting there for over a year.

[@GizmoMaltese]

You can get a Tesla M3 performance that will dust this thing for less.

[@4drturbo85]

I wouldn't even pay over $40k for one

[@billmartin1010]

Former 370Z owner . . . why is this not selling? Price is one factor. But another is the awkward styling. Nissan wanted to update 240Z styling but missed the mark. It just looks odd.

[@GolfCoyote]

I think if this car was priced in the mid 40s it would be very competitive. Whats holding it back is it’s built on an aging platform, Nissan’s image as a brand has been declining in recent years, and there’s too many better options for $50-60k

[@hamsterbrigade]

What is aging about the platform? I feel people just say this stuff to say this stuff. It's double wishbone front and multi-link rear, you don't even get that in a Cayman? Is it the rigidity? What's the rigidity of the platform and what is the rigidity of the "new platform" you're comparing it to? If "new" is all it took to make a car good then no one would be interested in driving old cars. I think they missed the ball on this car because they didn't take their tuning seriously.

[@GolfCoyote]

@@hamsterbrigade It’s built on Nissan/Infiniti’s FM platform which debuted in 2001. That’s a loooong time. Chassis rigidity, weight, and crash absorption have come a long way in almost 2.5 decades. 2 of those 3 things definitely have an effect on performance and how a car feels.

[@hamsterbrigade]

@@GolfCoyote You didn't actually answer any of my questions with numerical data. What "exactly" is aging about the platform as in: "I know actual numbers and comparative information." I feel you're all just regurgitating a standard line everyone says about a car if a reporter tells you they didn't "update" the platform. This is the same thing people did with the IS500. I'd bet hard money if I put 90+% of people in a revised car they wouldn't be able to tell me if it's a "aging platform" or not. I have an s2000 that chassis is still phenomenal and that car was designed in the 90s. That was built way before they could take a prior generation chassis and spooge adhesives and extra spot welds all over it to make it more stiff.

[@GolfCoyote]

@@hamsterbrigade how can I quantify something they havnt done yet? Once they update the platform I’ll give you whatever information you want about improvements. My point was that technology advances quickly and this car in particular is competing against cars that are, as a whole, a lot newer which is just one reason why I think it’s asking too much money.

[@turbinator1990]

The base price of the sport is mid 40s. If you are to look at manual only transmission offerings for a new RWD cars what choices do you have under 50k? GR86? Mustang GT?

[@KidNato]

I literally have never even seen one in person!

[@pricepolice834]

If you need to spend another 3-4k on suspension then it’s not a good car

[@Zygrene]

I hear you but some folks are incapable of leaving a car stock, even if it's great from the factory. Definitely a minority population though, which doesn't help the Z's case.

[@Desert_Spec]

A lot of this could be solved by a decent set of springs. No need for 3k Nitrons/MCS lmao

[@turbinator1990]

What car in that price range wound not need Great aftermarket coilovers?

[@Unicornpirate]

That's how these Z's always have been. Nissan gives you a decent GT car from the factory that's a blank canvas. Wait like 5-7 years from now when you can pick these up cheap and mod away. Just like the 350z and 370z is today. Decent when they were out but people picked them up for cheap used and made them into what they wanted...track car, drag car, drift car, show car, daily street car, takeover car (sigh),

[@fortheloveofnoise]

if this car was 35k for base, it would fly off shelves and rebuild the bad name Nissan has esrned to a favorable one

[@MattWongPsyD]

As a Z fan it drives me nuts to say this but it’s out classed by the Supra for not a lot more and undercut on price by the gr86 which is also more fun. Ugh, Nissan…

[@KUROSHURA]

GR86 looks Lower, Tighter and Sharper in person. A Coworker has a White One and it’s gorgeous in person.

[@ztotheu2974]

Nissan is stale and boring all around.

[@Superdimensional]

@@MattWongPsyD you really think the GR86 is the same customer? I dunno, personally I wouldn’t even consider one of those, I feel it’s a teenagers car, the Z or Supra tho 👌

[@ttoommssmmiitthh]

Not to mention you could have bought a Camaro SS 1LE for cheaper which handles better, is faster, sounds better, and better on a track.

[@MattJelonek]

It’s a totally different target audience. The 86 BRZ is a tuner car, built on the fact the manufacturer knows buyers will ADD on parts, engine wise, suspension, body kits etc hence the low affordable prices. The Z is done, add a bit extra and you’re set.

[@ramanapixelxl7572]

The rarest car zygrene has driven. 😜

[@shaq2812]

I think that the Z is a decent car, but it probably should've been priced a bit lower. It would've been a lot more well received had it been priced at 40k for the top trim. At 50k for the performance trim, you can get into a Supra, a GT350, a ZL1, an M2 Comp... some real heavy hitters against a car that's basically a parts bin reskin. I just don't understand how they thought that this car was a good idea.

[@Desert_Spec]

It's a nicer styled 370z with twin turbos and a manual trans... How is that not a good idea? Not one of the cars you mentioned besides the Supra is a competitor to the price/age of the Z.

[@droptopp3479]

@@Desert_Spec if im being real, cars that arent in the same segment id rather buy is GR corolla, typeR, typeS, or hell even tlx typeS. I have a bunch of jdm car friends and no one has said they want the 400z. We all rather own the other jdm cars, idk if its looks or what but maybe price is part of it also

[@Enthusiastlist]

@@Desert_Spec if we’re going by age the Z is competition with E46s & S197s.

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

@@Desert_Spec The Supra is selling for the same price, is lighter and far better built. There really is no comparison. If Nissan wanted to be competitive, they should have dropped the price tag by 10k. It's absurd they thought they could sell something that's a parts bin from previous gens for this price.

[@Desert_Spec]

@@hoppeanofasgard1365 You do realize the Supra is a parts bin car too right? Everything underneath the Toyota facade has a BMW logo on it and the B58 is just as old as the VR30DDTT. Toyota can afford to sell the Supra cheap considering they only accounted for 10% of the car's development and even then its still 13k USD more expensive than the Z (Car&Driver). The Z's price is already impressive considering the Z is all Nissan's responsibility. Sure, a 5k discount would be even better but 10k cheaper would make it the same price as a Civic Touring...

[@BORNGEARHEAD]

I bought a '24 Nismo Z and I LOVE IT!!

[@ScottDreyfus]

Nissan trying to sell a twenty year old platform for 50k plus dealer markup is what killed this car.

[@wheraboo5013]

People talk about old cars feeling the best but when a company refined it to be faster and better than the previous generation there is tons of hate?

[@TxErik817]

The dealership canceled my allocation because I didn’t wanna pay the $30k over sticker at my local Nissan dealership, car sat in the showroom for months, I have only seen 5 cars on the road in the last 2 years. Everyone has lost interest in these cars.

[@emptymannull]

The price you mentioned is ABSURD given how strong the dollar is to the yen now. These should be 40k with the perf package, TOPS

[@4drturbo85]

Agreed 100%. $40k for a performance version would maybe put me in one despite having that ugly front end.

[@Brandon-uy1uv]

@@4drturbo85 you can get basically the same thing if you buy a used Infiniti Q50 or Q60 redsport and the infiniti looks 100 times better than the nissan z

[@davidc750]

Base 370 started at 30k. starting at 42k was already too expensive for a car with affordability in its ethos. Adding up to 20k on adm basically was nail in the coffin. I'm sure these will be sought after car in 20 years though.

[@CrazyCat229]

The dealers jacking the prices up killed it. Just like the price jacking toyota is doing. It's how I wound up with a 22 BRZ no price jacking.

[@CarlosPerdomo]

People were eager, willing and able to buy this car. They waited and waited... then, only few were offered. But offered at a very high price.... over priced. We were told at the beginning what this car would be and at what price. But then the dealerships started to take advantage and abuse the customers with high markups. That's the consequence of all of that...

[@GeronimoBiggles]

I originally wanted this car so bad when it was announced was in love with the retro-modern design. I'd be on the phone with the dealer every month waiting for it to come in but kept getting jerked around with how much I'd be willing to pay over MSRP which I was not willing to entertain. Finally when the one I never cared for with yellow paint came in almost a year later aka the "PROTO" (omg yellow paint so special) they wanted $120k. I immediately went and bought the CT4 Blackwing at MSRP and got a much better and more practical car with no BS. I'm so glad I didn't get the Z now knowing it comes with such a soft suspension and worse manual transmission. Would've spent way too much on this little toy car to get it where I want to be.

[@bencarey243]

Bro ct-4 blackwings are sick af you made the right choice.

[@GeronimoBiggles]

@bencarey243 thanks I'm loving it 👍🏼👍🏼

[@davepaturno4290]

Those are very different car designs. The Cadillac is more for a person who also may need to transport kids to soccer practice. And my brt is that both the Z and Supra will be less costly after warranties expire. GM's reliability, sadly, has been sub-par.

[@GeronimoBiggles]

@@davepaturno4290 I disagree with you. First of all the CT4 has much better track times than the Z performance and even beats the Z nismo. The CT4 Blackwing is an updated version of the ATS-V which has proven to be very reliable even with tuning mods for the last 10 years. Only issue was a timing chain in the first few years of production which they later fixed. Also it is actually a compact size car making it the perfect size for pretty much anyone. Having four doors is way better for practicality and also lowers insurance costs.

[@davepaturno4290]

@GeronimoBiggles Well, I've owned Corvettes for too many years to ever trust GM to make anything that can match Toyota/Lexus and Mazda reliability. Think your car is reliable? Keep it for ten or more years. I've always had both a multipurpose vehicle and a sportscar. Of course, my favorite was always the sportscar, particularly with the ability to drive with no roof over my head. It's a feeling that is unlike anything else on a curvy country road on a beautiful day. No fixed roof sedan can match the feeling. Someday, I hope you some day rent a lightweight convertible sportscar like a Miata. It will set you free AND go forever on a small tank of gas.

[@DanielGomez-io5bx]

The bottom line is that $50K is way to much for a Z.

[@FejjNagaf]

It's too expensive and greedy dealerships are marking these up with stupid market adjustments.

[@AJayDrives]

I actually lived next to a neighbor not too long ago that bought one of these. I currently drive a 21 3.0 Supra, so I was curious on his thoughts about why he bought a Z for $50k. In short he enjoys how different it is compared to any other sports car on the road for the price point, (styling wise). Sure you rarely see Supras, but you never see these Z’s. I think it’s really targeted towards a Niche audience that wants a clean looking car that gets it’s job done. But outside of seeing people buying these just to be “different”, I really don’t understand why you’d choose this over so many other cars that give way more value for your money.

[@dejoreljackson1787]

I think lifelong z fans like me wouldn’t consider anything else. I think it’d sell better if people actually saw them. A lot of people don’t follow the magazines and blogs and just buy stuff that “looks cute”. It’s only recently that I actually saw one at a dealer.

[@AJayDrives]

@@dejoreljackson1787 I totally get that. Z’s have never been my thing, but I understand why people love them. After seeing one in person I will say they are good looking cars.

[@Unicornpirate]

Rarely see Supra's? I see them almost every other day here in LA. The Z though is rare. Don't see them much.

[@AJayDrives]

@@Unicornpirate here in Oregon I maybe see a couple of them a week and I live near Portland.

[@ronj9933]

@@UnicornpirateLiving in Miami I see loads of Supras, and many modified. I’ve only seen one Z, so far.

[@stuffdo_er]

The new Z is probably the rot lot king by now. I saw one on the streets since they came out. $50k is crazy, you can buy a older GT-R for $60 ish. Just insane.

[@VoRLiN]

Love seeing these on the road

[@TornadoOfSouls777]

Almost like spotting a Unicorn

[@pikkagtr1942]

Nice to see you reviewing a car form the early 2000s

[@styledliving]

some manual transmission engines, the tuning, depending on how rich exhaust gasses are, can actually have an rpm surger when you clutch in. it's an emissions tuning decision to help keep the unburnt hydrocarbon levels down.

[@drewc7389]

Thanks for the comment. My 22 WRX surges every now and again when I clutch in while coming to a stop, I assume this is what's happening.

[@CarlLindeman]

insane dealer markup. who the fuck buys a Nissan for the price of a Corvette

[@jasondueck9130]

The 300ZX is one of my favorite cars. I bought a new C8 2 months ago and never considered the current Z.

[@drownthepoor]

​@@jasondueck9130 There's a maroon/burgundy low-mileage twin-turbo 300ZX in a showroom a mile from me. They want $40k for it. If I had the extra money it could be a good investment. Drive it every now and then keep it indoors. Another 10 or 15 years and you could probably profit.

[@JohnBowl14690]

In my area, the Z is on sale at multiple dealerships for under $55K. C8 Vettes are listed for over $70K. Plus the C8 are ugly in my opinion, but I'm sure many will disagree. The C8 has more HPs, but the Z is plenty fast enough. But whatever. I wouldn't buy either.

[@drownthepoor]

@@JohnBowl14690 The Corvette is the absolute opposite of the Z though. It's all new technology and design, a whole new platform. The Z is old engineering and platform with a new face and insane pricing. The Corvette is more than just more horsepower, it's mid-engine. Flat-plane V8 like a Ferrari would be. It's a "cheap" super car. I don't love the look of it, but I'd take it over the new Z any day. Personally I love the C5.

[@JohnBowl14690]

@@drownthepoor - Point taken. I guess I would be more interested in a C8 if they got rid of that ugly rear end and did a few changes. To me, the C8 is close to looking awesome, but it doesn't for some reason. I just don't know why.

[@DGrey]

I bought a black performance model & I absolutely Love it! My prior Z was a 370Z nismo tech which I thought handled better and kept your gut feeling like it was part of the road. I miss that feeling in the new Z but disagree with you that the car isn't good. I see a supra around here in Philly maybe once a month or 2. I don't like the way they look. I wouldn't buy 1 if it would have been $10K less than my Z.

[@FULLTHROTTLEAUTO]

Great car. I would easily say the answer to the title is money. The price of the car is too much for the people who do want to buy it.

[@J_the_IV]

Spot on. I’ve literally seen only 2 of these driving on the road this year, and I live in SoCal.

[@Rfk1966]

Live here too. I’ve seen one and I drive the freeways everyday. If they’re not selling here, there’s not selling anywhere.

[@magdalo4473]

Dealers are stopping buyers from purchasing them.

[@fj06carnone]

Lol, think about what you're saying.

[@ehiracheta]

@@fj06carnone They marked them up when hype was high...now that all the hype has lessened they took the markups off...but everyone went out and bought something else or lost interest.

[@ra_redesignautomobiles]

You'll own nothing and be happy ​@@fj06carnone

[@Huncho.Jon.]

By canceling pre order allocations they technically are…

[@sleepwalker29]

As a owner of 2 Z32s I learned these cars are some of the hardest to work on. Got to pull the engine to change the oil pan gasket. So I wouldn't buy a Z34. Can't change turbos unleess you pull the engine. Mitsubishi 3000GT was easier to work on and didn't require engjne removal to change a oil pan or turbos. Turbos also have gaskets that can leak coolant and oil causing overheating. So maintaince on a turbo car is a big deal.

[@davepaturno4290]

I believe the GR Supra turbos are not difficult to replace.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

$54k for performance is just not it when Mustang GT and Supra exist for similar pricing and are faster the NISMO not having a manual is stupid when its closest competitors all have a manual and are CHEAPER in some cases. the Z is the best looking car in the segment IMO but Nissan really screwed up the pricing for this car for what could have been a proper Z revival

[@INNIMA]

Not true in a drag the flappy paddle z eats up the mustang impressively

[@resulnaki]

Best looking car in segment? Z was and always is an ugly ass car. It's literally only bought by young men trying to have a "sports car", and poor people trying to get into modding to act like they made a super car beater.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

@@resulnaki idk man i like 240z, and this reminds me a lot of them. Is there anything wrong with people with not a ton of money looking to have fun? Or should everyone only aim for Ferraris?

[@resulnaki]

@@ShaiyanHossain there is nothing wrong with that, but there are many cars you can do that with. Zs are just ugly cars. Ferrari? Lol aim for Porsche at least, Ferrari is a joke currently.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

@@resulnaki only porsche that interest me are 997 GT3s and 964 RSes. Dont currently have money for either haha

[@payne540]

I saw two for sale in a dealership near Omaha about two months ago. I’m pretty sure one was offered at about $75k and the other was about $85k. There’s now way in the world that makes sense to me

[@autostory7125]

Recently picked up a GR Supra, the Z wasn’t even on my radar because the Supra just felt one generation newer than the Nissan Z. Stock for stock, the Supra is almost superior in every way: Powertrain, handling, cornering capability, clutch-based rear diff, etc.

[@Enthusiastlist]

Supra also has a way nicer interior & has proven to be far more reliable.

[@Nismo1983]

@@autostory7125 it’s not what cars does stock especially if want sell u usa market is like skyline GTR R34 stock 276hp lol

[@xtnuser5338]

@@Nismo1983 The vast majority of potential buyers are not modders. If you're a manufacturer, and you want your new car to succeed with big sales numbers, it had better appeal to regular folk in its stock form.

[@Nismo1983]

@@xtnuser5338 yea but for them is too make more money with aftermarket parts !!

[@davepaturno4290]

I picked up a 2024 45th Anniv. Supra. It is amazing!

[@brianrand1129]

The market was also turning interest rates % were skyrocketing, so people would have astronomical payments! That also with the highest markups in history on a car with a 15 year old chassis

[@John-kx3ng]

I’ve seen two since they’ve been out. I actually really like them btw!

[@bikotheanimator6169]

No one is buying them because B58 and S58. Hopefully I can get a G87 M2 someday. If not that, then at least an F22 M240i. I'm at a bad point in my life right now though.

[@user-dibribhsvj36d]

People need to stop talking about markups. Its no longer 2022-2023. Some brand new 2024 models are selling under MSRP. Sport models $40k-45k Performance models $47k-$54k. Heck even C8 Z06 are selling under MSRP.

[@macdaddysoldier]

Yes, I got my Nismo Z well under MSRP earlier this year.

[@GoBrand0n]

Nissan a dying breed

[@EchoSigma6]

So a $55k car in CA after taxes and fees would exceed $60k then you add another $5k for suspension parts and other expenses to make it better? There are better cars out of the box aren’t there at this price point? Then you look at the used market and the justification for this car becomes less appealing. If you really like this car then just keep it stock and enjoy it as a GT, don’t try to make it what it was not designed for.

[@alfonsog7447]

I bought a 2024 Z and had to shop around. Dealers in Arizona, California, and Nevada playing games with 10 to $15,000 mark ups. Finally found a dealer in Colorado for MSRP. I LOVE MY Z!

[@Gearbhall]

What confuses me about Nissan's decision making is how the car with the handling dynamics I am looking for is the only one that doesn't get the manual transmission. Between the stick versions being too soft and underbraked while also having massive dealer markups ran me off. If manufacturers got dealers under control with that, more of these would have moved.

[@fkhothatchi]

I would get the base model immediately swap a shorter FD and add an clutch or even helical LSD and LW flywheel it'll completely change modern Zs personality

[@N3rdburgring]

I think they just cut too many corners and didn’t execute as well as Toyota and BMW did with the Supra. This was like the “yeah well this one is all ours with no help!” response attempt, but it shows in bad ways. It may be a better priced option, but if I could only afford this one and not the Supra I’d probably just choose something different altogether.

[@donh1572]

I didn’t buy one because the dealer experience sucks, not to mention the dealer mark up. Then the car itself was not that impressive compared to the competition

[@dmarshall5148]

I seriously didn’t even know that there was a new Z until like last month. I’ve seen only 2 out in the wild, one in Atlanta and the other one in Chicago

[@davidwhite5386]

When the new NSX came out i commented on videos that it was a huge fail and no one would buy it. I cant tell you how many people told me i was stupid. Look who was right! I bought a 2006 g35 coupe manual for 35k out the door and loved that car. The reason this Z is not selling is because the 370z was substantially cheaper. The price change between the outgoing model and this model is enormous. That pissed people off and kept people from selling their old Z to buy the new one. The supra hasnt been sold in decades so sulpa loyalists dont see the price increase in the same way.

[@Kryptic1046]

I agree about the NSX. I took one look at it and said "I don't know what that is, but it's not an NSX." The styling change was just way too drastic considering how legendary the styling of the original was. I mean, if you're gonna call it an NSX, it should probably at least somewhat remind people of an NSX. I knew from the very first glance that it wasn't going to sell. I've never even bothered to drive it in my racing sims because that's how uninteresting that car is to me.

[@davepaturno4290]

​@Kryptic1046 It didn't sell because of the price, not because of its performance. Its powertrain is super-sophisticated, yet the car has been very reliable. I was considering buying one, but even 7 year old ones are $150k. An oil change is $450. I ended up buying a 45th Anniv. GR Supra and couldn't be happier. It is a nice addition to my MX5.

[@Kryptic1046]

@@davepaturno4290 I never thought it didn't sell because of its performance, I maintain it didn't sell because of the styling. The classical NSX has distinctive styling, it's one of the main things people love about it. It's hard to mistake it for anything else. If the newer one had styling closer to the original, it would've sold better.

[@davepaturno4290]

@Kryptic1046 Sadly, the gen 1 NSX stying is kindof like the C5 Corvette styling. You can look at it as old school and slow or old school and cool. I prefer the gen 2 NSX, but the only downside is that it looks like other mid/rear engine exotics and now the C8 Corvette.

[@davidwhite5386]

@davepaturno4290 the original nsxs styling was second to none during its time. Also the nsx was a complete departure from its original in terms of drivability. The original was incredibly light weight and nimble whereas the new one was a tank.

[@stoneee1234]

I think the new Z has a really great aesthetic design, nice blend of modern and throwback designs. But iirc mechanically it's more like a revamped 370Z, which would have been fine.....if it was positioned as a "better" BRZ/86 sold around the 35~45k range in today's market. IMO the price for a modestly specced Z is just too high for its intended audience, and with it alone at its current price point the competition is just really harsh.

[@19hundoc47]

You car reviewers killed the car. Saying it’s a soft GT car and not as good as the Supra. Everyone is buying Supras, and they are buying them over MSRP, especially the manuals. And you can get a Z for under MSRP so the dealers didn’t kill the Z. The media did.

[@pauljohnson962]

This is a fact

[@cyclistman6358]

Is the media lying about the feel and performance of the Z? Perhaps Nissan underestimated the competition and their targeted market. Maybe Nissan missed the mark and an opportunity.

[@wheraboo5013]

Bro I agree, every car has its own personality the Z is soft but better for it lol, I’ve driven gr86 Supra and Z without a doubt they are all fantastic. Like not everyone is going to modify the car, not only that things like “rev hang” literally every manual has it like the type r, Z, Supra Manual. The Z is soft but that’s not bad, I consistently corner with 1.1 g laterally. People need to understand that cars aren’t this or that, enjoy them have fun learn them. Be like Bestmotoring in the 90s not dogging on cars for being quiet or “soft” or “clunky” they enjoyed them for what they were and gave credit. Naturally that doesn’t mean criticism isn’t allowed some things like Overheating stock is worthy to talk about. The Z in my personal experience feels like a great 2000’s sporty car with great 2024 touches. My words as a senile man lol 😂.

[@GlitchBomb]

Simple answer is: Modding this Z cost double the money of modding a Supra to hit the same numbers. Plus the b58 is at legendary status.

[@SteelSub]

Every potential owner of this car already owned a comfortable gt car with the same engine in the form of the infiniti q50/60. Dont need another comfortable faux luxury car. It needed to be an affordable and value packed performance car with maybe nicer limited trims.

[@dennyo661]

Not many buying because its Nissan. Can have a superior BMW platform Supra for the same price.

[@AustinShockSS]

Why buy this when you can get a base corvette for nearly the same price? The dealer near me had a black Z for $70K!

[@dlj1285]

The only issue would be that the base C8 is ugly as sin, but you’re right, I’d still take a C8 over this any day of the week.

[@4drturbo85]

​@@dlj1285disagree. The new z looks very disgusting in the front. With a proper wheel the C8 looks amazing.

[@dlj1285]

@@4drturbo85 The value for money with the C8, and its commercial success, is undeniable. There’s just something with the proportions of the base car that doesn’t sit right with me…For whatever the reason…The Z06/ZR1 has improved proportions to my eye. At the end of the day our love for cars is subjective. It is pretty crazy what GM has accomplished with the new Corvette on the whole. I personally don’t think they will age well design-wise compared to even the previous Corvette, and some other options out there…Again, just one man’s opinion, but I certainly respect the fact that you might not agree. It’s all good.

[@delcorick9967]

Yeah I agree, I'd expect to see them more, supras r common here to like maybe 2 a month I'll see in summer n spring but I almost never see a Z., Awsome review., Great video!

[@SonNguyen-mk2wq]

The 350Z is still my favorite. I feel like the design and car just seem to get bigger and bigger. But I guess with regulations, easier to throw more power behind a heavier car than to go lighter and make a true sports car. I was seriously looking to buy one, but the reviews all say the same. Good to great GT car, needs suspension mods. $50k can get you a lot of used sports cars still. And I would rather have the new GR86/BRZ over this especially when factoring in price.

[@grippgoat]

Yeah, 350z is my fave, too. Never liked the styling of the 370. And they just keep getting heavier and heavier.

[@wheraboo5013]

Regulations are killing the Z… exhaust is smaller to be complaint in CA. RPM surge with clutch for better emissions. Increased weight so the power is justified to the EPA… Using thin oil to meet EPA… not being able to sell in the EU. Also talks are that in Japan the z might not be able to continue as it’s “too loud” something regarding a 71 Db date or something along those lines.

[@Whip-g9f]

In 2002 I bought the Brickyard 350Z. The horsepower was 280 something and a one wheel wonder that broke loose all too easily in curves. I like the upgraded twin turbo standard now and LSD, but at $50k+ I can buy a used ZO6 Corvette. Agreed, not seeing many Z's on the streets. For the price dealers are asking, there is room for an upgraded and tuned suspension with better throttle response and exhaust.

[@DC5Brandon]

Styling, curb weight, sound, and shifter feel are the reasons I would choose a Supra over this.

[@RyneLanders]

I'd pick this over the Supra in the styling category. Not sure about sound and shifter feel as I haven't experienced them. Weight is probably accurate.

[@droptopp3479]

@@RyneLanders 400z is so ugly in the front, only the rear is decent. The supra on other hand looks different and cool which screams racecar/sportscar. Idk how old you are but everyone i know from 23-35 rather take the supra, gr corolla, typeR, or the typeS over this 400z

[@RyneLanders]

@@droptopp3479 i feel like you forget how much absolute shit the Supra got when it came out, everyone panned its looks. As for the Corolla or Civic, those can't hold a candle to the other cars on your list from a design standpoint. The Civic is hideous for sure. This looks a lot better than that. As for what 23 year olds like, I don't really care, hahaha. Not relevant to me.

[@chrisf8584]

I'm a big Nissan fan and I would choose the Supra over it. I think it's a step down in styling from the 370z. I get 240sx S13 vibes from it.

[@RyneLanders]

@@chrisf8584 they were definitely going with retro vibes for sure. It was an intentional choice. You either love it or hate it. I didn't love it at first, but as a retro-modern design, it's growing on me. I could definitely see how it feels like a backwards move after the hyper-modern design evolution of the 370z

[@Salvisol]

Dealer markups hurt the launch. Msrp is high compared to the 370z. I remember the later years of 370z you'd find them priced at the upper 20s brand new. The old 370 is also several hundred pounds lighter.

[@QueTheChaotic]

I was in the market for one of these when they launched but $70k with markups turned me all the way off. I really like how the Nismo drives but its priced way too high

[@esteban1487]

Can't find them. Have yet to see ONE on the road.

[@DCPEvo]

I think at mid $50’s it’s not competitive to others as a sports car.

[@paqstheunknown]

Vr30 and its problems stoped me from getting one turbo issues, cooling problems, and oil consumption sorry I’m keeping my VHR💪🏻.

[@Z32andCG6]

The problem with the Z is it's basically a 370z which is a 2008 platform which in turn is barely different from the 2002 350z platform. This car is too expensive to be a stock car when you can get a new or slightly used BMW with much more performance for the price, and, it's not cheap enough to be a tuner car since you can buy and modify a 350z or 370z and still be well below the MSRP of this Z. If the Z was priced in the low to mid 30's with a manual and LSD stock then it would sell but somehow Nissan is convinced it's worth more or that someone in the market for this car would buy it without LSD. Nissan always cheaps out to their own detriment and instead of pushing units they're just sitting around losing value. I don't think Nissan corp has more than 5 years to exist at this rate.

[@WILLSARDELLI-z7b]

YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD

[@MarlonAllen-pg9dl]

Are you kidding me the amount of new altimas on the road is insane they are probably going to discontinue the Z like they did the Q60. I believe this is the last ditch effort for the Z, throwing in a redsport engine, and contracting a mercedes transmission to rival the supra

[@resulnaki]

​@@MarlonAllen-pg9dlare you kidding us? I have yet to see that hideous Altima anywhere. The old one are still around, the absolute disaster of a car design, but i have not seen a new one. Those are as ugly as the originals lol

[@robertsole9970]

Get a used 350 Nismo....then get a Fast Intentions twin turbo kit.....then you have a winner.

[@EluciaDeLuteIma]

Ancient platform with an insane price is why. Same problem with the s650 mustang.

[@joshfullbright7678]

i really hate the ancient platform remark, its double wishbone multi link rear, theres nothing better.

[@tommyc1909]

Let me tell you. The Dealer is killing the car. Last year I went to the local Nissan ask for a test drive and ve been told it is not possible because they only have one in stock. Checked the odometer and it had over 100km on it. Went for a FL5. Test drove it, love it, bought it.

[@MrMittenshasatophat]

I had a 370z in the past, and wanted one of these when they were debuted. But the dealer markups hurt. So I ended up getting a used RCF instead and now I think I'd rather just keep that as that car is everything I wanted (minus the manual) in a car. A japanese refined V8. I still think about the Z a lot and think this car is great but I just can't spend over 50k on a car. 40 is pushing it for me.

[@zw2937]

For what it is supposed to be there is a lot of motion in the drivetrain relative to the body. You are commenting on the Chassis, Throttle response and I'm pointing out the drivetrain...it seems like the whole car is sprung and bushed as a GT as you said and not really targeted at a sports/track day target at all. Keep up the good work.

[@BrawlFreak786]

The dealers killed this car and the Nissan brand has been tarnished so much that a new Z wasn’t enough to get people to come in and get it

[@xtnuser5338]

"the Nissan brand has been tarnished so much" Are you kidding? The Altima is named THE #1 TOP CAR TO LEASE every single year by WASHED UP STRIPPER magazine!

[@RiZenAsH]

By time dealerships got their hands on this car and marked it up it was DoA. There were better options available at that price point. You could grab a BMW M3 competition for the same price. Some of the pricing on these in some areas have stabilized since but I think the people that initially wanted one was turned off by the markup and bought something else. Now people pretty much forgot about it.

[@strikerE92]

The Performance Pack is what they base car should've been and priced around $40-42k. No idea why it costs $50k+ when the Performance components aren't even that good. That's how much the Nismo trim should've cost.

[@PQ28120]

In 1993 z's were 35 36k in 1993 money, no way thirty years later they're gonna sell for 40k. The car was never cheap and this take is just delusional.

[@wheraboo5013]

⁠@@PQ28120yes, GR Supra Manual is literally 68k+ in America man… Z has always been expensive every year lol

[@PQ28120]

@@wheraboo5013 right and that's not a good deal either for its performance but it's a Toyota so it gets circlejerked to death.

[@oemj7147]

@@PQ28120 In 2019 base 370Zs were discounted to 24-25K new. So at double the price after 4 years these new Zs don't look like a bargain.

[@PQ28120]

@@oemj7147 oh well these will be discounted 10k soon so it'll only be a few grand more than it was in 2019. See? I can make random numbers up too.

[@chrisbecker3629]

I’ve had 3 Z cats. I’ve never looked at them as good out of the box. They’re tuner cars. Decent base, starting points but need aftermarket bits. Suspension, sway bars, intake, downpipe. Exhaust, tune. Must haves

[@jorgej5916]

The handling is fine, the engine has enough power at 400 hp; the stye is attractive and its fairly comfortable yet if it is 250-300 lbs lighter weight, it would make the above handling and power even more appealing.

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

Yep, it has WAY to much bloat!

[@mtshark7]

Nice review Fenton!😊 From reading the comments it seems the dealer marks this up way too high. Which is a damn shame.

[@RaceCarFriends]

I feel like the people that would be interested in buying the Nissan Z will end up choosing the MK5 Supra or Mustang GT because they are slightly better when it comes performance and sound.

[@vizard350z]

and the camaro

[@RaceCarFriends]

@@vizard350z Yup if Chevrolet came out with a 7th gen Camaro that was based on the 6th gen Camaro with some slight tweaking and priced it like the 6th gens I feel like most people would chose those over the Z and Mustang as well.

[@MS-1994]

I loved my Z32 and I should be a prime buyer for this, but the pricing was too high for the performance. Nissan phoned it in instead of generating any real excitement.

[@tizodd6]

The price needed to be lower, and that hideous front grille needed to be replaced with the grille they have on the Heritage Edition. Then I may have sold better.

[@sly_midnight]

As a prior owner of 2 Z's myself, one was my first car a 1984 300ZX Turbo and then most recently a 2008 350Z. A very rare model with an in-between engine that was mostly original 350Z but with some of the improvements that went into the 370Z engine (I loved it, major improvement, but also A LOT more expensive to work on). And all I can say is when I saw the announcement for the new Z I awaited for it eagerly, this was during the 2020/2021 time frame, can't recall exactly. But when I saw they were selling it for $50k!!! I went out and bought a used Corvette C7 Stingray and never looked back. Sorry, but as many fond memories as I had in BOTH my Z's dating back to my teens literally, I just cannot justify paying Corvette price for what amounts to a lesser car. The Z's main appeal back in the day was exactly that it was the poor man's sports car. Also, what has happened to Nissan in the last decade or two? Their stuff these days is all around embarrassing garbage! I rented a Toyota Corolla last year during a business trip and it was LUXURY compared to a friend's 2020 Nissan Sentra, wtf!? I owned a 2004 Nissan Sentra that felt better than that piece of crap. 😩

[@totallynotfunny3579]

I just find it really ugly....Z32 is always be the true Fairly Lady Z

[@TheCarCrazyGuy]

I used to own a Z. As a matter of fact, it was the first car that I bought when I was 18. It was a 1982 Datsun 280ZX Non-Turbo. That was the biggest mistake I made by not buying the Turbo. It had Nissan’s crappy in-house five speed manual. If I had purchased the turbo, I would’ve had a Borg Warner unit. My transmission became crunchy and then it had to be rebuilt. Back in the day they didn’t swap out the units, they just rebuilt them, however it happened again shortly thereafter so I sold the car. Never owned one since.

[@Aliens_Gonna_Get_Ya]

Not 4 me… 2 exxy 💰💰💰… I’d get a cheap 370Z & mod it 4 track work… save a fortune…!!! 👍😊💰

[@blackbirdz714]

Every new Z we’ve had gets sold fairly quickly at my job. The longest one we’ve had is a nismo that’s been in here for 3 months. I’ve noticed too that’s it’s mostly older clients that have bought them, knowing them they probably only drive it on weekends. I like the new Z since owned an original 280z but I wish it was lighter and more nimble like the Datsun.

[@S-si4pg]

WAY too much money and a product coming from a brand perceived as building garbage transmissions whether or not the problems have been addressed.

[@infam0usP]

I was approved by my bank up to 45k when I was in the market for a new car....I got a 2023 GR86 Premium with 6 spd manual out the door for under 35k and don't have one regret. got plenty of change left over for mods. for the prices Nissan is commanding for this car, they should've just sold this shit as a new gen INFINITI Q60 imo

[@dre32pitt]

You can get better stuff for the same money. It's a re-skinned Q60 Red Sport w/ a manual.. Too much money for a re-skin, lol.. Can get a used SS 1LE and a Fiesta ST for the same money..

[@dmitriyrabochiy4475]

This is not a reskin of q60 this is a Z with new engine. q60 platform is far more different nowadays than it was g35/350z times

[@ronaldmcdonald9322]

Camaro 🤮

[@chrisplummer9639]

​@ronaldmcdonald9322 alpha platform is superior in all ways to this. Even tho the look are subjective...when it comes to performance for money, used SS 1LE is near the top. This is from a Z fan and M2 owner...

[@dre32pitt]

@@dmitriyrabochiy4475 fuck me that's even worse! that 350/370/g35/g37 chassis is fucking ancient

[@harjassingh9357]

@@chrisplummer9639American cars are trash

[@PopsRacer61]

About 6 months after the Z debuted, I headed to the nearest dealer to get a part for the 1993 300ZX I'm restoring (my son's car). I asked the salesman if he had a new Z I could sit in. He told me if he could find one but they are bought before they arrive! They were stickered around $48k then. He told me dealers were bumping them up $10-$15k at that time. (that was the last time I stepped in to a NISSAN DEALERSHIP)..that's kinda why they're not selling!

[@MrNufzed]

It's a beautiful car but beyond skindeep Nissan Skimped too much on performance dynamics for pricepoint vs GR Supra. The retro car is better looking methinkz than the Supra but Supra offers an all around better performance/pricepoint package..The nismo is better compared to GR but way more expensive.

[@chrish8487]

Great review. Simple and to the points I care about. It still kills me that any Z comes with an open diff...

[@svfutbol20]

Because Porsche. These are Porsche money.

[@BeaglePops]

Why would I spent over $60k on that?? Is the problem. Way better options at that price point.

[@Ripperx121]

I considered all the options the enthusiasts have out there now. Which is great. The Z is a great car. I opted for a m240i xDrive. I live in a snow belt so the xDrive helps. But that is a very nice car for sure!

[@PMW10]

why do KZbinrs never mention markups? Incahoots with dealerships

[@Zygrene]

I've never partnered with a dealership. Not once. The owner purchased this car brand new in 2024 at MSRP.

[@user-dibribhsvj36d]

Regular models can be had for MSRP. It's the Nismo model that get marked up by dealerships.

[@PMW10]

Not gonna happen

[@TeamCupNoodles-nn9og]

There are two for sale in my local dealer. A premium for 1k below msrp and a Nismo for 5.9k below msrp.

[@PMW10]

These guys know a lot about dealership inventory.