2024 Subaru BRZ tS First Impressions - Worth the Extra $$$?

[@sethanderson204]

Grade vid. Apologies if this has been mentioned already, but I read that the reason for the rev hang in this car at lower speeds is that that is when the port injection is operating. The ECU keeps the revs up to prevent unburned fuel from getting through to the exhaust. When you are pushing the car and are not experiencing the rev hang, it’s because the direct injection is operating and therefore fuel is being burned that much quicker after it’s injected. This is why the ND does not need to have rev hang tuned in for emissions purposes. Maybe someone will find this interesting. I owned a GR 86 for a year and noticed the same thing you did. Definitely not a dealbreaker because it’s not an issue when pushing the car when you care about it most.

[@axledog7297]

Great* vid

[@sethanderson204]

Haha, thanks. Voice-to-text got me.

[@seb5945]

Does it work the same on AT cars?

[@sethanderson204]

My only experience is with the manual. But I would assume so. However since you aren’t shifting manually, I wouldn’t think it would be as noticeable. Maybe someone with an AT can chime in. And if it’s something that bothers you, it can be tuned out. If you are trying to decide on buying one, the only way to know is to drive it.

[@Mr00Ted]

That's really interesting, explains why I feel like my 1-2 shift is easier sending it on the autoX than driving like a sane human in traffic

[@RealMr_Wonderful]

I pick up my new BRZ Ts this coming Tuesday. I truly cannot wait.

[@grippgoat]

"It's not Ts, its tS!" -Hermione, probably

[@Dwayne898]

How do you like it?

[@Luke_ST_]

Great vid as always, Fenton, shame the 86 has been discontinued over here in the UK 💔. Greetings from across the pond

[@Zygrene]

@@Luke_ST_ I didn't know that. What a bummer!

[@Luke_ST_]

​@@Zygrene indeed - 2024 European safety regulations meant it wasn't feasible for Toyota/Subaru to change its design to fit new regs solely because of one market, at least i can wait for your 21st video on it to see it 🤣

[@Affalterbach1967]

Would have thought a moderately powered smaller affordable car model would thrive in the UK. Heritage of Triumph, Rover, and Austin, TVR, Bristol, Lotus Cortina etc all gone to the Leyland scrapyard ? Is the UK today just too many influencers with new Lambos, white van men, and salaraymen in BMW 320i , and NPCs in the likes of a Ford Puma (now SUV) and KIA Sportage ?

[@Luke_ST_]

@@Affalterbach1967 Suppose you aren't far off there! The UK roads now are mostly massive & boring SUVs that take up too much of our already small roads, or larger saloons from Audi/BMW/Mercedes. The GR Yaris has been a big success(as it should), but when companies like Ford axe the Fiesta (after the mk8.5) with the Puma, and soon to axe the Focus in favour of a new "Capri" which is just another SUV, you can see the UK market (and I suppose the EU market in general) is looking bleak. At least Mazda still have the MX-5/Miata :)

[@KTH96]

Low speed fun is such an underrated feature that most performance cars ignore these days. My 2017 86 was a joy to drive around town with the great steering and manual, especial after replacing the OEM trans fluid with Motul 300. Hearing about the steering downgrade and rev hang kills the 2nd gen for me.

[@Zygrene]

@@KTH96 definitely. Low speed clutch/shifter/throttle etc aren't often talked about and can potentially ruin a driving experience, even if the car feels great at high speed

[@thinkingimpaired5663]

Nice thorough review

[@valkator]

Everyone talks about the sound of the engine, I think it sounds pretty awesome.

[@roscoecoltrane9523]

I like it too. Reminds me of a motorcycle engine at high revs.

[@Dwayne898]

Appreciate the review. Thanks 👍🏾

[@famrue527]

Its a nice platform The only thing this car is missing is a 9000rpm k24 engine 👌🏻🤷🏻‍♂️ It would be like a new s2000😊

[@mtshark7]

Awesome review Fenton! That seems like a nice car. I just wish it was more powerful.

[@felixb9146]

Really enjoy your reviews, especially that you are mentioning about steering feel of each car. Is there any way to improve it in the GR86/BRZ?

[@jagymeister]

aligment and steering bushing, stiffer sway bar should help too.

[@jamieleanderson]

Curious, have you driven a Nismo 370Z or 350Z yet? Interested in what you think of the dynamics.

[@shotty.]

would really love to see a successor to this but with some toyota power & no more subaru flat 4 farts

[@Zygrene]

@@shotty. That's looking likely. Ongoing rumors of a GR Corolla engine powered 86.

[@seb5945]

Or Toyota will collab with Porsche and use their boxer engines.

[@Digiphex]

Pretty car. Will the "ts" make it a collectable car?

[@FrostyCB9]

It’s pretty much the perfect modern street racer from Japan 🇯🇵

[@tigerrider6711]

Why didn’t Toyota partner with Honda for the drivetrain on this car? The second you rev it out the reaction is “oh.” And not in a good way.

[@seb5945]

If they partner up with Honda, they'll put CVT in it. No more oil starvation but oil dilution instead.

[@tigerrider6711]

@@seb5945 a k20 or k24 and the existing s2000 drivetrain is all this car needs.

[@30hours51]

@@tigerrider6711k20 today are turbo and even more dead sounding than this even tho they are still great motors F20/22 are old as fuck that don’t make any torque down low and doesn’t pass modern emission standards(bummer)

[@EricSessions-y5w]

Liky rear weel manuel

[@jorges2k_ap299]

This or an ND3 for second car (track/canyon)?

[@Gurka84]

Out of the box: track = BRZ/86 are more capable. Street/canyon = ND3 is considerably more enjoyable. Lightweight to toss around, open top. Can’t beat it on the street or backroads.

[@JoshGRacing]

Is the s2000 more whimsical than this BRZ?

[@Zygrene]

@@JoshGRacing depends how it's setup up. Give it good coilovers and brakes, and I'd argue it's more serious than a stock BRZ tS.

[@gigi9467]

Of course it is it’s a true sports car.the s2000.

[@James_z32]

Shoulda just shoved a camry engine in these it woulda been fine.

[@EricSessions-y5w]

Winters not anymore

[@DjNikGnashers]

I 'get' the whole ethos behind this and the GT86. It was just up against such strong competition, and was neither an MX5 competitor, nor a rival for something like an M2. It needed to be much lighter, like Lotus Elise weight, and more simple, OR much more powerful, to find it's place. I hardly see any of them on the road here in the UK, but see dozens of MX5's daily, and a fair few M2's.

[@johnlu9368]

im still thinking brz ts or the premium gr86

[@gigi9467]

Ready to be tracked just don’t turn right ha ha 40 K out the door for this Econo car is too much money. I believe this and miata starting under 30 K of sweet spot. I was going to buy a new Miata and they wanted something like 3334 out the door when I paid 30 K out the door three years earlier hard pass.

[@michaelfont7239]

Everything is going up. Nothing we can really do 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@gigi9467]

@@michaelfont7239 lol u sound defeated, yea u can dont buy until it goes down, ive bought a new car every 2-3 years for the last 22 years this year i didnt between the overpriced cara and stupid apr decided to wait. F them!

[@michaelfont7239]

​@gigi9467 I own my Miata and got it for a good price, there's really nothing out there that can come close to it. But that's just me!

[@gigi9467]

@@michaelfont7239 i concur.

[@MK3504]

BRZ GR's only calling card is suspension. manual experience is lacking, steering is just okay and the engine is okay. Miata is just so much more value imo

[@strmshadow8411]

I disagree, Miata stock wise is probably a better value, but once you add mods into the mix the BRZ far outclasses the Miata. Especially when it comes to engine mods as there's basically nothing you can do to the Miata.

[@MK3504]

@@strmshadow8411 honestly this is a weird argument.it's 500 lbs lighter, and there's not much you can do to the 2.4 either. The Miata is baked with body roll on purpose. A set of Dampers and sway bars would change the whole character of the car.

[@strmshadow8411]

@@MK3504 I know about the Miata suspension. What do you mean not much you can do to the 2.4??? There's turbo's and Superchargers out for it now. Tuning has been out for it for multiple years now. The Miata since the ND2 has not had it's ECU cracked and can barely take any mods. So again when it comes to Mods, the BRZ BY FAR outclasses it.

[@maximus9401]

​@@strmshadow8411ECU has been unlocked for ND2. There are tuning options available. As well as a supercharging option

[@sl0907]

The problem is there really isn't much choice in the segment for sports cars under 3000lbs. The steering may be just ok when compared to a Miata but it's honestly on the good side when u compared to other options in the price range. Just like u said with the Miata suspension, the manual experience can be improved with bushings/weighted knobs/short shifter and that's a lot cheaper than springs, dampers and sway bars.

[@EricSessions-y5w]

Shit this car i can handle.double shift with the right tires.

[@user-xd1lq2qu9v]

Great car power just very lacking. No reason to trade my 9th gen si for.this.if it has the same power if not a bit less

[@ak740_]

The Brz is about 1 second faster than your si in the 1/4 mile stock lol. Performance is night and day

[@chipattack912]

@@ak740_the engine sound is trash compared to a 9th gen SI. Faster doesn’t always mean more fun.

[@Juice23488]

"....Subaru eyesight", which actually sucks......

[@J_S209]

No it doesn’t!

[@Juice23488]

@@J_S209 Let me guess. You drive an automatic SUV?

[@J_S209]

@@Juice23488 Mmm One small utility One V8 sedan One utility in pieces Two old sedan projects Two medium sized wheel loaders One Fork lift One BRZ No auto SUV’s …. Your judgement sucks balls Jooocy. Eyesight is great!

[@Juice23488]

@@J_S209 No your desire for shitty features that don't add to the driving experience sucks balls. I think adaptive cruise itself isn't actually that bad, but anyone who wants lane departure warning or lane keeping assist in a sports car needs to rethink their life.

[@TheFunGun5]

​@@Juice23488Spoken like a true bus rider.

[@terminator2149]

not a drivers car if it has rev hang and you cant smoothly change shifts from gas and clutch

[@tone3560]

It’s not worth the 4k+ plus over regular for Brembo brakes, badging, eye sight, and suspension bits.

[@J_S209]

Yes it is!

[@jakes2473]

The brembos alone would be over $4k if you bought them yourself and that’s not including any installation

[@tone3560]

@@jakes2473 probably…. Still not worth it other than the aesthetics of painted Brembo

[@ItsBunCha]

The day Toyota distances themselves from trash Subaru and puts a Toyota engine is the day these cars will be moderately ok

[@grippgoat]

The engine isn't the only thing Subaru contributed. 🙄

[@milesfathi]

Fully agree. Ultimately the engine is the major flaw with this car. Zero character and a ton of unwanted noise.

[@1Solace]

"moderately ok?" Have ever driven one?

[@sshah2545]

You people are all keyboard lunatics. The engine is fine. Boxers have so much character. Reliability is worse than Toyotas and Hondas… by 0.4 - 0.6 %? These are fantastic cars that you’re missing out on because your heads are SO far up your asses. And I love it. Drown in your ignorance. My 2023 BRZ is solid as a rock. Love driving it. No fear, unless you track it, and even then I wouldn’t be too worried.

[@iangeorge6409]

Trash? A tad extreme.

[@KRBY555]

Why do Americans say “A” great value? It’s just “great value” (?)

[@tone3560]

emphasis with a pause...it is also correct grammar. You don't say "it's great value."