2024 USN Super Hornet Shot Down By Friendly Fire Over Red Sea | DCS Re-enactment

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

Cap said that I am a valued viewer... so I got that going for me. Cheers to all the Reapers and have a great new year!!!

[@DeceasedUser]

So you’re telling me there’s a chance!

[@Headhunter_212]

gunga-la-gunga! Big Hitters, GRIM REAPERS!

[@TR4Ajim]

Apparently it’s SOP to turn off the RWR when on final approach. It’s also SOP for the E2 to turn over control to the ships during final.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@TR4Ajim]

@ The KZbin channels, “The Mover and Gonky Show” (ex F18 and F16 pilots), and the “Ward Carroll” show (ex F14 REO), are both great sources of current military developments in the news.👍

[@antisoda]

Yep. Gonky and Wombat said on "The Mover and Gonky Show" (mentioned by TR4Ajim above) that they turn RWR off when carrier landing because it's just too much of a distraction. They probably don't need alarms blaring in their headsets when they have enough on their plates, trying to gently crash land on a coked-up postage stamp. :) They apparently often get locked up for a number of reasons while in the pattern. Mover, as an Air Force guy, never turned his RWR off while landing. Though, his air fields were usually much longer and generally don't move much. :)

[@w0mblemania]

Imagine being the pilot or wso who've been shot down, sitting back in the hospital, watching a bunch of guys re-enact your shoot-down on KZbin. Pretty cool.

[@Duvstep910]

3:06 hey cap; the superhornet has the ability to pull a towed decoy behind it to confuse enemy radars that can be extended and retracted so I'm thinking that's the decoy he meant that failed

[@martgb96]

I was watching Mover & Gonky's video about the incident and Gonky said they often turned off RWR on approach back to the carrier just to minimise distractions when trying to land on the carrier.

[@yahnump]

Was going to mention this.

[@grimreapers]

oof, bad timing to turn RWR off.

[@steveman1982]

Imagine being called "Blunder", and then getting shot at by your own guys... What is the superlative of blunder to call them?!

[@rgloria40]

Fragging but among government contractors. F18 must have some really GOOD FRIENDS.

[@throttleblipsntwistedgrips1992]

Fusterclucks

[@The.Dude.Abides75]

Most blundersome. 😂😂😂

[@gimpau]

BUTTON 15 APPROACH #1 BUTTON 16 MARSHAL BUTTON 17 APPROACH #2 (if more than 1 is needed for EMER a/c) BUTTON 20 Squadron COMMON

[@grimreapers]

Amazing thanks! How do you know this?

[@S1LVERflyin]

Zyn’s are nicotine pouches you can put in your lip- think camel snus- to pop THREE saltwater soaked zyns in one’s mouth, one has to be BIG MAD

[@grimreapers]

Roger thanks

[@chuckchuck6269]

"We usually don't like touching friendly fire..." Um, have you met the Grim Reapers Cap? ;-P

[@extremelambo]

A 5 wet is another name for tanker. It has 4 drop tanks and one refueling buddy pod. 5 wet

[@grimreapers]

Thanks

[@FleetDefenderRA5]

Three seconds. All the choices he had to make in that short time. Thank you CAP.

[@Gribardson]

Was waiting for this. Thanks cap

[@Doodelz02]

Was hoping ... and was better than I'd hoped for. Really good mission flying, too. Well done. Had a few "oh pooh" moments in my life ... but they all pale in comparison to a 3 second, life/death decision like that. Just crazy!

[@196cupcake]

12:41 zyn is a brand of nicotine lozenge.

[@craigvecchione2942]

According to Ward Carroll, Gettysburg would have been positioned directly behind the HST because during night recovery the ship’s lights give the LSO a better sense of where the horizon is. And the aircraft fly a straight approach and final rather than doing a break over the boat. The missiles would have been heading straight up and straight at the incident aircraft. Not easy to judge distance. When in doubt get out.

[@Coyote5005]

Well that escalated quickly.

[@suecobandito8954]

15K feet above the cruiser they were per instructions. So they would’ve made a penetration if all had gone according to plan. IIRCC IROK is inflate the Sv2 vest, release the raft, check Open canopy then upon water entry Koch (Koke) fitting release if they haven’t already through salt water contact.

[@nealfryling619]

I didn’t realize they’d use hornets to refuel for dca… obviously it makes sense but what training and logistical pita it is to pull that off perfectly day in and day out… doesn’t even make most nightly news… that’s very sad. Anyway, I ‘recon there’ll be one less admiral or two in tomorrow’s usn… Very glad that everyone goes home after something like this… ultimately even in those moments of chaos, everyone did exactly what was necessary to tactically respond damn near perfectly to this situation or this would have had a much more difficult operational learning experience. These things happen and everyone nailed it!

[@Firedad376]

Its a mod

[@R0d_1984]

Button (numeral) : Preset radio channel, as "Packard, go button three." Wet 5, refers to the tanker: Wet, mean has fuel (Dry, no fuel), 5 drop tanks ( well 1 refueling pod and 4 drop tanks.

[@jmtpolitico80]

Channel 16 in the US is always an Emergency Channel. It's always an open channel you use to get ahold of the Coast Guard or almost anyone. At least in US Territory, whether or not in the world I have no Idea....

[@jerseyshoredroneservices225]

Perhaps IFF code changed to the next day but Gettysburg forgot, or vise versa

[@dexlab7539]

Loved the narrative reading in the beginning…great stuff!

[@antisoda]

Just wanted to parrot the recommendation for the KZbin channel "The Mover and Gonky Show". It's run by one ex-Air Force and one ex-Navy pilot, now commercial pilots. They talk about aviation stuff, focusing on the military. Also, I recommend "Mooch" Ward Carroll's channel. He's an ex-Tomcat RIO. He feature similar content to Mover & Gonky.

[@oliverduke1173]

Picked up this when Lemoine was invited to fly DCS. Algorithmd from GR 🤠

[@kevinschmitt845]

It’s incredibly insane that these dudes had to worry about getting shot down. RWR typically off on final, Mover and Gonky and wombat did a great job explaining it on last weeks show. They said it was SOP I guess. I’m sure that may change now 😂 And sounds like mother is normally up on button 17. Channel 17 that is. Feel bad for these guys. Thank god they’re okay. Just don’t understand how it could happen with modern IFF. Especially if they’ve been running missions that night, the ships know they had jets coming and going in a planned corridor.

[@Bawbag68]

Wonder what poor sap had a multi million dollar deduction from his wage slip 😂

[@gazzwinder]

Happy new year!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉 😊 And nice video as always, thank you ❤

[@Blueorange22]

your comment section seems to really "inspire" fem-bot accounts.

[@papayne]

Too many questions and much to say about this incident. SMs won’t shoot at squeaking A/C; SMs won’t shoot at a Friendly A/C ID in datalink; A/C under control by E-2 and then by CV but under the CG that was AAWC. Sounds very similar to the Vincennes/Iran Airbus TRAINING incident where everyone in the detect to engage sequence failed.

[@papayne]

Believe the pilot may have meant 15nm away from both the DDG and CG due to potential of SM shots.

[@richardgreen364]

Wonder if the “link” system hand shake was fully up and running. Not sure if TEWS/DASS/RWR would picture the friendly emitters? But MAWs should still work. Also the the A/c has the capability for a towed decoy, maybe that is what caused the earlier delay?

[@D00MerJohn]

They probably posted it to social media because they were hearing rumblings about a cover up or some kind of blame being put on them for the incident instead of where it belonged, somewhere in the Gettysburg. Cant blame them at all.

[@mr2922]

Maybe that's what they were alluding to with getting their stories straight in the helo? Pure ignorant speculation on my part.

[@BlokeOnAMotorbike]

Gettysburg is a Tico missile cruiser. Surely they had already marked designated friendlies on their threat screens?

[@TheDgdimick]

What's not being said is that IFF didn't work as it does at times.

[@jmtpolitico80]

1,700" in Altitude??? I would refer you to the Ward Carroll Channel as he did a great description of what happened from the people in the know. As he is a Veteran TomCat Pilot or WISO in the Navy. And does a great good of giving out enough, Legal, Good Intel from the people either Involved or who Know....

[@theoneneo5024]

I agree that Ward typically has good inside info and experience about Naval aviation situations. My problem with Ward, and I've called him out a couple of times, is that he is a little too inside with the higher ups and occasionally goes into CYA mode for them. He has made a couple of anti-Trump or anti-Replublican videos saying don't politicize the military. The crazy thing is they were specifically calling out the Flag officers for being political but Ward either couldn't see it because they are his buddies or ignored it because they are his buddies. Either way he is not an independent operator who treats everyone equally.

[@Doodelz02]

I dunno. Watch a lot of Ward's videos. He definitely tries to do the "right thing". Obviously, everyone brings a bit of bias to a third hand report, but I wouldn't watch if I wasn't convinced his intent is pure. That said, he also brings his deep personal expertise ... which is fantastic, BUT means it's sometimes speculative. Definitely parts of his report on this particular incident fall into the latter category. Won't know until the report comes out, but given the pilot's first hand account, it appears the Gettysburg was likely where Cap placed it -- hot side of conflict, to the right a bit. Biggest issue for me is why TWO (or 3 including 143) IFF's didn't register on the Gettysburg (or alternately why within visual range the Gettysburg couldn't identify 3 Superhornet's nose-to-tail in landing config). Surely IFF doesn't go away if RWR is manually turned off. That'd be ... sorry to use a technical term: "dumb". Anyone know with confidence? (No secret stuff please ... Cap has already had a 3rd encounter of the NCIS kind 😛)!

[@mr2922]

​@@Doodelz02 Cap has gotten in trouble for sharing classified info? That's the real story I want to hear!

[@Doodelz02]

@mr2922 LOL. I started a real life conspiracy theory!! Go ME! My life is complete. All downhill from here! 😁 (No no ... just garnered interest about the sim. and his channel. Nothing sinister.)

[@jmtpolitico80]

@@Doodelz02 okay??????

[@maxjones503]

Any reason why Gettysburg would launch SM-2 and not ESSM at that range?

[@rainman6080]

Cheaper

[@maxjones503]

@@rainman6080 SM-2 is reported as having a higher price and is far more scarce proportionally with better capability (extended range)

[@dexlab7539]

Yup

[@jayykeyy]

cap's acting ON POINT

[@theoneneo5024]

By the way, while I appreciate the pilot and WSO getting this info out there I can't believe that this was in anyway authorized and that there won't be hell to pay. It's not up to individuals to play CYA and share their version of the propaganda during an investigation. I wouldn't approve General Milli Vanilli Miley doing it or an E-1 who screwed up. These guys may be 100% accurate but any on duty related info (especially related to a major screwup) has no place on social media unless you are part of the public affairs office. Remember that the government has prosecuted enlisted personnel for having one picture of an engineroom, even though there was absolutely nothing in the picture that shared technical details, specifications, or operational limits. If a generic picture can get NCIS and DOJ after you then these two should be in a hell of a lot of trouble.

[@Doodelz02]

Gotta agree entirely. Not sure what the thinking was. Perhaps 100% "clarity", but perhaps not. They certainly sound sincere, but we're only hearing the one side. On the other hand, two aircraft (both presumably with working IFF) were fired upon. Trust probably below zero, I'm guessing. Mine would be. Still, 100% agree with the premise.

[@access5870]

I wonder what prompted them to do that. I don’t think (or can only hope) they’re not so dumb that they’d think this is not going to get them in trouble, but who knows, it’s scary but it’s Gen Z who are flying these fighter jets now 😬 In a more sobering note, I wonder if they felt that somehow they would be blamed… (?)

[@D00MerJohn]

My only guess is that they thought whomever was responsible in the Gettysburg was going to get away with it and there was going to be a cover up. Can't say blame them if that was the case.

[@Doodelz02]

@D00MerJohn That was the first thought that crossed my mind, too. Hard to believe anyone would think a post to X wouldn't be an issue. Well, that plus the worrisome "we got our stories straight" on the helicopter ride back. Anyway, I seem to be rampant with conspiracy theories today. Never a good thing, to be sure. Glad they're safe, regardless!

[@access5870]

@ Not hard to believe when you realize they’re probably 25.

[@5Andysalive]

i assume a lot of very smart and evry secretive people are working and the drone shooting down cost fallacy problem currently...

[@kooky45]

I misread the report and thought he said DCS players 🤣

[@R0d_1984]

USN pilots turn their RWR off on approach (not sure if everyone uses that SOP, heard some might turn the volume all the way down), they are getting painted all the time by friendlies, to much distractions)...

[@blackhatch46]

Father (papa) is the TACAN

[@russmullins1063]

ZYN is a mint pouch. Like chewing tobacco pouches

[@Joe45-91]

I don't know any of the steps for engaging a target on a missle cruiser but at the end of the day did the person really think the Houthis had a jet coming to attack them? I'd imagine with all the modern tech they'd be able to tell the difference between an F18 and a drone

[@travismiller7805]

5 wet means 5 external drop tanks

[@TomServo1969]

Zyn is brand of non tobacco dip. Comes in the same style of flat round container as tobacco dip.

[@Eagl3xStrik3]

Those guys are 2 angry jet jockies...

[@traviswhite2091]

Cap, this is my first time seeing your UFC panel, is that a mod?

[@LIMITLESS_RC]

Zyn is a type of nicotine pouch. Com’n bro you going to be a pilot you gotta dip something and grow a mustache

[@dukethedragon9096]

How do we know it wasent them shooting down santa huh? Classic cover up.

[@S1LVERflyin]

48 seconds ago is wild

[@geek211]

looked just like the sims had me dying

[@Joker18336]

That was a good laugh!

[@technoch33s3c4k3]

Zyn I belive are like nicotine pouches. Where I work I cannot smoke so nicotine pouches are great I usally go with Nordic spirit though for velo will say if yoy don't smoke don't take them. Been slowly cutting down but cig free for a while. If you do smoke recommend them far less toxic. But again don't start you never have to worry about quitting.

[@Power5]

I thought this was training mishap. This was an actual mission to shoot down drones being flown towards the carrier? Do the houthis have hornets? How could they lock up a hornet and fire on it? I mean the captain of that destroyer has to be getting a court marshal right? Shot down a $66 mil jet.

[@andrewruss5824]

it was a cruiser, Ticonderoga, USS Gettysburg (CG-64) I honestly agree with you, how do you shoot down a hornet like that

[@tr1sh2tom]

Aegis is AESA? LPI? No RWR?

[@KaZokuOP]

Only very new Aegis SPY radars (SPY-6 equipped on Flt III Burkes for example) are AESA.

[@sharpyslighting143]

HI Cap, probably a stupid question but here goes - i never seen a dcs video using the Kuznetsov for carrier ops? is it shit or is it not functional?

[@R0d_1984]

It's not in DCS

[@FISSIONINITIATEDSUNRISE]

Can you simulate something more on the nuclear side? Like delivering a b61 or a b83?

[@grimreapers]

Tsar Bomb vs IJN Fleet: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZKpaImLZ5h5hLc Genie & Falcon vs IJN Fleet: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmilgnmKgtyUnMU Genie vs WWII Bomber Raid: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3KlcquMhdR3mc0 Genie vs Soviet Bomber Raid: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iITIamyGhdp_a9U

[@TreyPeach-lb1qu]

Oh .no!!

[@TreyPeach-lb1qu]

Cap is crazy..lol

[@GregKrsak]

@@grimreapers Cap, if you ever feel the bug to simulate SLBM stuff, give me a shout. (Proof: Google "trident missile tech greg k" where I'm the guest speaker)

[@richardlord6687]

Just a thought, but would it be worth developing a machine gun with shot gun ammo and putting it on a helicopter to sort these drone swarms out? Get well soon and all the best for the new year.

[@n1ckf00c]

I think these drones are more similar to the Shahed drones. Large drones doing 100-250 knots might be too quick for heli DCA

[@KrisTheLVN]

Anti-drone/anti-missile lasers.

[@jmtpolitico80]

Yes check out the New Laser systems in the UK and Ukraine!!! Big developments....

[@rgloria40]

I wonder if there are any conflicts of interest... Remember the old saying with "friends like this who need enemies."

[@abialo2010]

ya but the yemeni dont have jets. this was completely asinine. truely embarrassing

[@PropertyEnvy]

Here’s the problem with this narrative (and I understand you’re working with the information available). I served as an AAW operator on warships and I can tell you it’s absolutely impossible to lock onto a friendly symbol and fire at it. Combat systems don’t lock onto radar returns-they lock onto the symbol provided by the system. The symbol sits over the top of a radar return and the system tracks it automatically i.e. keeps the symbol on top of the radar return. Once a missile is launched, it’s guided to the target by a STIR, after which its internal systems take over for the final phase. The claim that the DDG fired at a friendly is outright nonsense. Jets in the link are actively reporting their position, and the AEGIS system recognises them as friendly based on that input to the link. It’s not the combat system deciding they’re friendly-it’s the jet itself broadcasting that information, which the system then correlates via the Mode 4 and then displays it as a friendly symbol to the operators. No operator could accidentally lock onto and fire at a friendly symbol. It’s simply not possible - the AGEIS system wouldn't allow it. The explanation being fed to us-that this was a mistake-is a blatant lie. The U.S. government is hiding something, and while I can’t say what it is, I can say with absolute certainty that they’re not telling the truth. By the way I love your channel and your content - I'm not having a crack at anything you fellas do here. Just sharing a perspective that you probably havent considered.

[@Doodelz02]

@PropertyEnvy Good to know. Ty. Makes sense. Someone posted earlier here about a daily change in IFF code that may have been missed by Gettysburg folks (or presumably the equivalent mechanical/software failure to update). Sounds plausible to my brain. You too? Still unclear to me that "3 F-18's in a row on approach" weren't identified, though. I could see a "red flag" being raised if IFF was faulty ... but a snap-call missle shot?

[@PropertyEnvy]

@Doodelz02 it's not IFF like Mode 1,2 or C it's Mode 4. Only military aircraft have it and it updates daily (as mentioned below). Put that aside for just a sec. Something no one else is talking about is warnings. If an unknown is approaching the ship then warnings 1 through 7 are also issued. No one has said if they issued any warnings at all? A jet looks very, very different to a missile and operators would know instantly if a missile was coming at them or they were the usual jets they see every day during air ops. The whole thing stinks to high hevean and I smell a dirty rotting rat with all the lies being spewed by the US government.

[@Doodelz02]

@PropertyEnvy Thanks. No expert for sure. My understanding, though, is that on departure from the carrier and before starting any operation, IFF is verified to be working on each plane. Working? Cool. Not? Insta-RTB. Failures do happen, but for 3 planes in a line? All 3 fail at once? Unlikely at best. Making it in turn likely that if there were an issue, it would almost certainly stem from the Tico. (Not pointing fingers, but at age 36, I was starting to mess things up too!😜) I've not seen anything other than "under investigation" (plus Cap noting here that X removed the pilot's posts). Can't personally see the Navy engaging in a cover-up, as too many know too much already. I, as always, stand to be corrected! Thanks for the quick reply.

[@PropertyEnvy]

@Doodelz02 all possible however unlikely because the jet would never leave the deck without the correct Mode 4. No military aircraft ever does! Even if it did/could NO operator would allow the friendly track to be engaged. There is just no physical way for someone to press the fire button because too many things have to happen before we get to that very point. On top of all that every operator knows exactly what fighters look like, and it's nothing like a cruise missile, a sea skimming missile and certainly not a ballistic missiles. No operator could confuse a Super with any type of missile. Its simply impossible. Its another dirty cover up. Just think of C19, the election, the laptop, the assassination attempts and the hundreds of other massive lies the freaks on the left have told us all. This is another one of their cover ups. What that cover up is will come out eventually, the truth has a way of always coming out.

[@mr2922]

​@@PropertyEnvyAh, now it comes out. You're just a conspiracy theorist. I was starting to wonder when you were speaking in such absolutes, then you mention assassination attempts and freaks on the left.

[@ElitistMagi]

xD

[@mpeugeot]

The finest moments from the world's finest Navy. So glad that I am retired. Maybe they need more PowerPoint slides on how not to be the Blue Falcon and extra diversity training that covers how diversity of our targets is our strength.

[@theoneneo5024]

Thank you. I was a submariner reactor operator and if we were going to do any evolution outside of normal then the planning and briefing was very heavy. Even if there wasn't the slightest chance of personnel injury we still had a bunch of people who were just there for oversight and a list of items that would tell us to abort the exercise. Live fire with friendly assets in the vicinity and no one with their hand hovering over the self-destruct/abort button?

[@n1ckf00c]

This has nothing to do with diversity training. Every nation has friendly fire incidents during war. The manly Russians have shot down 25 of thier own aircraft according to Russia in the last two years. Our manly Navy that you long for shot down a civilian airliner in 1988. Patriots shot down multiple US aircraft in the gulf war. Shit ton of friendly fire incidents Vietnam, Korea, WW2. Its war and has nothing to do with diversity or gender.

[@user-jm4nj7nz6t]

Reading those pilot reports is so cringe, zero professionalism. "Yoooooo" "BIG MAD" like this is seriously how a naval aviator conducts themselves in 2024?

[@n1ckf00c]

I doubt this is the official report. Seems like quick notes

[@dexlab7539]

Professional 25 year old…remember

[@mrlodwick]

You Yanks lol, you got to try and stop this ff.

[@theoneneo5024]

I was a submariner nuclear reactor operator and if we were going to do any evolution outside of normal then the planning and briefing was very in-depth and controlled. Even if there wasn't the slightest chance of personnel injury we still had a bunch of people who were just there for oversight and a list of items that would tell us to abort the exercise. Live fire with friendly assets in the vicinity and no one with their hand hovering over the self-destruct/abort button? As a current engineer who does root cause failure analysis investigations I bet I could find at least 30 failures throughout this whole exercise. This is a screw up of epic proportions and because multiple commands were involved it shows a deeper issue systemic and cultural issue in the Navy. But I'll bet everyone had their pronouns right and could spot a white nationalst a mile away.

[@access5870]

Let me remind you it’s Gen Z that are both flying these jets and firing the missles. Hence the social media post with an emoji… wild. Very immature and there doesn’t seem to be any good reason than “hey I’m Gen Z and we post cool stories on social media for social cred”.

[@n1ckf00c]

This has nothing to do with diversity training. Every nation has friendly fire incidents during war. The manly Russians have shot down 25 of thier own aircraft according to Russia in the last two years. Our manly Navy that you long for shot down a civilian airliner in 1988. Patriots shot down multiple US aircraft in the gulf war. Shit ton of friendly fire incidents Vietnam, Korea, WW2. Its war and has nothing to do with diversity or gender.

[@n1ckf00c]

They're actively doing DCA of slow/low flying drones. If drones weren't picked up and impacted a cruiser ship, there would be major consequences for not firing. I could see IFF codes not aligned, weary crew, laziness, hornet looking like a drone all coming into play. Hell, if I was an enemy I'd try to send my drones in with the landing pattern.

[@jaelwyn]

All but the last paragraph make sense. For that one, I wasn't aware that being an a-hole about how you address someone conveyed any technical proficiency... and of the groups that present an infiltration threat to the military that could compromise its ability to defend and protect the constitution, white nationalists are right up there, so yeah I would hope they could. Or did I miss a repeal of an amendment recently?

[@superbudegu]

You are European, how do you not know what Zyn is? LMAO

[@Tony-i5k3k]

Incredibly bad taste... You should be ashamed of yourselves.

[@calvindekoter2128]

Is the Navy above criticism or parody? How can you get angry about bringing awareness to a complete mission failure from the “greatest” military in the world?

[@crashmaster26]

Wait wait wait, you guys have been doing this for THIS long and you don't know "button 17" ... it's the radio channel they are on ... the UHF / VHF radio has I think 20 channels and they call them "buttons"

[@lordsqueak]

Today I learned

[@mr2922]

Good thing you were here to ridicule them!