2024 Wired Freedom+ Wobble?

[@Volaran]

The new headset got rid of the wobble for me completely but it did NOT come installed. I just got my bike 2 days ago & had to have my shop install it for me. They just threw the hellbender in the box... Not a great feeling when they don't just install it before sending it out.

[@leetjohnson]

@@Volaran yeah, I think they recently started selling them pre-installed.

[@merrillbradshawcarpentry8190]

I installed the upgraded headset. That made a noticeable difference with overall, front end stability.

[@leetjohnson]

@@merrillbradshawcarpentry8190 Awesome! Was it the Visco Hellbender?

[@rvboondocker2559]

I use paneers on my rack and dual battery. It’s my commuter when van camping. That’s why I have it. No wobble Cruiser

[@leetjohnson]

@@rvboondocker2559 Awesome!!!!

[@bassw1758]

They could put a flatter battery on the bottom side of the down tube, which is easy to do on some newer mound bikes with the slacker head tubes.

[@leetjohnson]

@@bassw1758 💯

[@ZERUS1648]

I own two Freedoms, both bikes ride great. My dual battery Freedom with all the upgrades is my favorite. The “wobble “ thing has never been an issue, because I don’t have a need to ride without my hands on the handle bar. The rear rack holds a rack bag with a spare inner tube and tools, along with a heavy NY bike lock. The Freedom is a solid bike that performs great. No I don’t work for Wired or any other bike company, I like Wired’s bikes and the customer service they provide. As always, thanks for the excellent review, looking forward to seeing your future content.

[@leetjohnson]

@@ZERUS1648 Awesome! Thank you, and I agree, it is a great bike and a solid company!!

[@jacobortwine7063]

Wired death wobbler

[@leetjohnson]

@@jacobortwine7063 😆 🤣 😂

[@benhartland4708]

tighten it, problem solved. i'll sometimes rotate the batteries...front installed only and rear installed only. with the rear battery ONLY i can't make it wobble. Plenty of write ups on how to snug it down, should be done before you ride your bike (part of the suspension setup).

[@leetjohnson]

@@benhartland4708 Right on! I will definitely do that and see if it helps!!

[@michaellevine6019]

@@leetjohnson Be sure that you don't tighten it too much. Maybe an eighth turn oe so. You don't want to overtighten it.....

[@leetjohnson]

@michaellevine6019 👍

[@BillBadMule123]

I say do away with the battery in the back and just make a larger single battery ?

[@leetjohnson]

@@BillBadMule123 Yes! This would be great 👍

[@user-ch4ex3yy4l]

Would it be possible to move the back battery to the frame and zip tie it on (if you don't care about the looks which I sort of don't)? Will the wires reach to the place on the frame where you suggested? Thanks.

[@leetjohnson]

@@user-ch4ex3yy4l I think the wires would reach, but I'm not so sure the battery and connection would be able to stay in place with just zip ties.

[@robertkile9357]

Wired needs to redesign the rack. Needs to be a little lower and about 2.5” closer to the back of the seat. Just a thought.

[@leetjohnson]

@@robertkile9357 For sure!!

[@robanderson5624]

Great vid. Lots of variables to consider here and many go beyond just the bike. These mostly relate to what percentage of the total weight is behind the mid point of the bike, front to back, and how close that weight is to the extreme front and back. This all relates to the physics associated with leverage. Rider body type will play a big role too. For example a heavier rider carrying lots of weight in the torso may make it worse while riders with bigger leg muscles or forearms may help avoid it. The more imbalance to the rear, the worse it is. An extreme example is those springy door stoppers in most houses. Light on one side and heavy immovable wall on the back side. Tap one of them to watch some extreme wobble. Having said all that, I think frame and parts stability plays a role as well. I have a Dual Battery ECells 5 Star and unless I load multiple water bottles on my back rack, wobble is much harder to achieve than what I saw in this video. Maybe my huge leg and forearm muscles are helping avoid it though. 😊 I must say I was surprised to see wobble this bad with the HellBender installed.

[@leetjohnson]

@robanderson5624 Agreed! Great points to consider. Thanks for watching, glad you are enjoying your Ecells!

[@CNclov2005]

Hey, been having the same issues with my shock, since I’m over 200+ lbs I have to put my psi air pressure for 200lbs and after a day or tow I’ll drop back down to under 150 and back in late September one day I was riding my psi dropped to 80 and I bottomed out like crazy and I’ve pumped it back to my weight so many times but it keeps falling down a day or too later I think my suspension shock is leaking air should I contact wired for a new one or should I buy a coil shock instead?

[@leetjohnson]

@@CNclov2005 I would definitely try to reach out to Wired first! They may be able to send you a new one.

[@chuckwolf9869]

Put a motor in the front wheel to compensate for the weight of the battery in the back XD

[@leetjohnson]

@chuckwolf9869 their newest bike has a front motor too! It's called the Predator.

[@chuckwolf9869]

@@leetjohnson I know... that's what I was referring to

[@freightdawg6762]

My cruiser had no wobble no sqeaks, no rattles, best bike ive ever had

[@leetjohnson]

@@freightdawg6762 That's great!!

[@bizzfo]

I can’t make mine wobble at all, it’s a 2024+ Cruiser. But I also can’t ride it hands free for very long at all due to the stiffness of the steering.

[@rvboondocker2559]

My Cruiser+ is also perfect. It’s also much more “zippy” than my 2024 Freedom single battery.

[@leetjohnson]

@@bizzfo Interesting! Thank you for sharing your experience, I appreciate it!

[@seethablegalzoom]

Thank you for your video. Tomorrow, I am taking my wired Freedom 2024 dual battery to the bike shop to install the Hellbender headset. I got the bike during Thanksgiving weekend, so I'm not sure they already installed the headset when they shipped it. I am facing the wobble. I saw there was a Hellbender headset available in the shipment. Could that be a spare one? Should I need to install it?

[@leetjohnson]

@seethablegalzoom I would definitely get it installed....for how heavy the bike is overall, it almost seems necessary.

[@seethablegalzoom]

@@leetjohnson Appreciate it

[@eRide_Addiction]

Call Wired and ask. They usually answer phones or their online chat on weekends. Enjoy your new bike!

[@morrison.rickey]

Sir, I have the newest wired cruiser step thru, only 79 miles on it, received the 2024+ in October after preordering it in July 2024, My wired cruiser when pushing it back by hand, the motor feels like it is scrubbing , you can feel the vibration in the seat while pushing 😮it backwards, without the bike on, it doesn’t feel any vibration when you move it forward, only pushing it backwards.. hope you can help me with it, and i should worry about it, Rickey Austin Texas USA.

[@michaellevine6019]

Rickey, That is normal and nothing to worry about..

[@leetjohnson]

@@morrison.rickey I wouldn't worry about it too much, but you could always reach out to Wired and ask them about it.

[@jfly2249]

The headset is adjustable, tighten 1/8 turn at a time to eliminate the wobble. If you ride with one battery, you can have the steering much looser.

[@leetjohnson]

👍 Thank you!

[@SuperSlappy25]

do you get much dirt/mud on the bike riding without fenders?

[@leetjohnson]

@SuperSlappy25 I do if it has recently rained. I don't ride in the actual rain, though. It cleans up quick and easy.

[@diysolaradventures7894]

I guess my question is does it wobble even with your hands properly on the handle bars riding at normal to high speed Or is this only pretending to removing your hands

[@leetjohnson]

@diysolaradventures7894 no wobbles under normal riding with hands on the bars. Only if riding no hands and a bump to the wheel or handlebars.

[@diysolaradventures7894]

@@leetjohnson OKI meant normal to high speeds, but I fixed it.Thanks

[@captureprojectone8471]

Wired Predator, the ultimate e-bike

[@leetjohnson]

@captureprojectone8471 That thing is a BEAST! So cool to see the advancements in ebikes happening so quickly!!

[@BillBadMule123]

I Have 2 Rad Power Bikes They are A 2020 Rad Rover ST1 and a Rad Rover 5 and at certain speeds they both Wobble between 12 to 16 mph

[@leetjohnson]

@@BillBadMule123 Interesting! Thanks for sharing this info.

[@GG-ml3vr]

So dangerous,utterly unacceptable wired have not fixed this.

[@leetjohnson]

@@GG-ml3vr it's definitely better with the included steering stabilizer....before it would wobble just taking your hands off the handlebars. I'm going to try to tighten everything and maybe make the steering stabilizer more tight by turning it a quarter turn too.

[@somewhat.random]

Have to admit I roll my eyes a bit whenever people start talking about "death wobble" as if it is something new or unique to bikes like this. As a guy who is 6'7" 280lbs I can tell you from experience: EVERY bike will wobble. It's just worse on this frame style for a number of reasons. One difference you'll notice from this version to the previous one: extra bolts on the rear shock linkage. Why? Because that's really where the wobble is coming from. Because of my size, rear shocks are generally useless for me and end up locked out so I don't bottom them out, which is why I'd LOVE if one of these companies would make a similarly equipped bike in a hardtail version. So far, no one is making one, which makes me sad.

[@leetjohnson]

@@somewhat.random I agree!!

[@AndyPacey]

I'm weighing this up against a ghostcat pro, this would give me far more freedom because it still looks mtb rather than emoped, not to mention how pretty it is. The wobble issue is caused by the mass of weight on the rear with the second battery agreed, Wired have obviously tried to negate it with a more braced linkage and a stiffer stem, but i think it's incurable and it exists on all ebikes that have so much weight in one spot, imo Wired should do away with the 2nd battery and rack completely, it's damn ugly anyway. They could of course give you a identical second battery for the frame mount, yes you'd have to swap it out rather than have it onboard, but the wobble headache would be gone and most people wont need more range in one go than the 20ah frame batt delivers. I'm still very much considering one of these bikes, but for my use the rack/battery and wiring would be gone, also a set of dual/triple crown forks to lift the front up to allow swapping the bars for some regular mtb bars. Its still a stunning bike, very beautiful in the blue.

[@leetjohnson]

@AndyPacey I agree with all of what you just said!! The additional battery really isn't necessary or worth the extra weight and wobble.

[@AndyPacey]

@@leetjohnson yes, your vid is spot on. i really don't get it, Wired have a winner right here, but seem hell bent on shooting themselves in the foot needlessly. Sack the rear setup, beef the front forks to dual crowns, put mtb bars on to negate the front end rise, at around 2K, this would be best in class, along with ghostcat and ecells 5 star. Ecells seem to have the same foot gun, they make the predator, then make it dual motor, another terrible idea imo, they too have a beautiful bike just leave it single rear, lose the rear nonsense and front motor. If this is your bike i'm very jealous, its a beauty, absolutely love the blue, I hope you show Wired how this particular bike should be setup. Its a stunner and should be shown as such, not "shopperified", its a dual suss mtb trail monster with a beautiful frame, let it be that in full. Thanks for posting, subbed to see if you "make it right" ;) Just found out Wired don't ship to UK, so disappointing , you guys are blessed with your choices over there!!

[@tims6246]

or just 1 big 35 watt battery in frame

[@leetjohnson]

@@tims6246 Yes!!! That would be excellent, maybe triangle shape?

[@OU812NVME]

You can add all the batteries you want you can add all the power you want the best thing about the new e-bikes is that controller how it doesn't overheat that's the best upgrade

[@leetjohnson]

@@OU812NVME Yes! And it's potted too!

[@rvboondocker2559]

Algorithm 😊

[@leetjohnson]

@@rvboondocker2559 👍

[@hellraizer44]

Wobbles is nothing new. Wired should create a steering dampener for this bike.

[@leetjohnson]

@@hellraizer44 👍

[@AnoaraBegum-m3e]

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[@leetjohnson]

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[@sammyjames1929]

What are you testing that hasn't been covered by everybody an their mother by now. You lost me as soon as you didn't tune it before your 1st ride. So your making a segment about other people's segments way way before this. Maybe get a Predator and do content on that. Or possibly do a segment on something new you've added to the bike. Find us something new🍻

[@leetjohnson]

@sammyjames1929 Yeah, this was definitely a last-minute video, I have been out of town a lot lately, but I should be able to get back on track soon. Thank you for the feedback, I do appreciate it!