2025 BYD Shark vs Ford Ranger Raptor: Comparison

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Driving Enthusiast

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@vtv8man
@vtv8man Ай бұрын
I am about to place a BYD Shark order not because of its off-road capabilities, but because of its on-road capability. Cornering, handling and comfort for the family where it will spend 95% of its time.
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@vtv8man Awesome. Will you be using it to carry stuff in the back? Just wondering if you considered a wagon or SUV instead?
@Zumaray
@Zumaray Ай бұрын
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia is a wagon version coming? Like Everest to Ranger? I’d buy a Shark but I need to put stuff in it that is longer than the tray.
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@Zumaray An SUV version would be great.
@Zumaray
@Zumaray Ай бұрын
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia oh you had me excited by your comment to vtv8man I thought you may have known a SUV version was on the way.
@OllieVK
@OllieVK Ай бұрын
​@@Zumaraythey already have one in China, with even more tech in it. I'm guessing it'll make its way to Aus as well.
@Johnno1979
@Johnno1979 Ай бұрын
I had a Ranger Platinum on order for 12 months with no production number. I cancelled it and have ordered a BYD Shark for nearly $30k cheaper.
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@Johnno1979 Nice. Yes it’s hard to look past that price - please keep us updated on what the ownership experience is like.
@zimuli3549
@zimuli3549 Ай бұрын
congratulations
@Zumaray
@Zumaray Ай бұрын
Mad if you didn’t
@JunitafluxcyfatriciaJunita
@JunitafluxcyfatriciaJunita Ай бұрын
​@@drivingenthusiastaustralia3:57 What are you stupid🤣 ? Do you have a cell phone at home?Do really need have 100% charged so phone can be use. . so that the SOC can work 100% when you want to play games? 😂 By your logic. When the battery is at 50% you can't play games. And when the Phone battery is at 10%, suddenly the cellphone screen starts flashing. 😂 As long as the battery power is not 0% Then 2 motors and full power can be used . And the engine is a generator to charge the battery.And can be used to move the wheels.
@sengream9197
@sengream9197 Ай бұрын
Congratulations, so jealous of you 😂😂😂 enjoy
@remakeit2628
@remakeit2628 Ай бұрын
FYI the BYD Shark battery does not go flat unless you run out of petrol. That's right, the battery maintains a set minimum charge of 25%, meaning you can run it down from 100% to 20%, and then the *hybrid's* 1.5l engine kicks in to keep the battery in the positive. The Shark also has another feature when driving on highways over 80kph which allows it to be switched from battery power to petrol engine due to the fact that at the higher speed it is actually more economical to be driven in petrol mode. (corrected the minimum charge to 25%)
@JSM-bb80u
@JSM-bb80u Ай бұрын
Both engine and motors work in 80+kmph.
@JettoGospel
@JettoGospel Ай бұрын
25%
@TerryHickey-xt4mf
@TerryHickey-xt4mf Ай бұрын
25% default but can be programmed to 15%.
@arminius6506
@arminius6506 Ай бұрын
I read it that you can set a limit, it was an owner review by an Aussie living in Mexico
@zoltanrudolf
@zoltanrudolf Ай бұрын
Does that mean you don't need to plug it in if you don't want to? Please reply.
@kennethprocak5176
@kennethprocak5176 Ай бұрын
You don’t have to plug in this thing if you don’t want to. The engine runs the generator and charges up the battery, so it’s a range extender with twin Electric motor drive. Don’t get hung up on the current old hybrid drive tech, it is not. Wish BYD would sell their 2,000 km range hybrids in Australia.
@OllieVK
@OllieVK Ай бұрын
The Sealion is 1,000km+ at least.
@robtaylor893
@robtaylor893 Ай бұрын
Did you mention the price difference?
@sealoftheliving4998
@sealoftheliving4998 8 күн бұрын
Ford will soon build Ranger Raptor Orca. Orca will eat that Shark😂😂😂😂😂 Big question? Maintenance cost? How many years would the battery last? Cost of Battery and other parts? Availability of the Parts? How many years of Warranty?
@robtaylor893
@robtaylor893 8 күн бұрын
@ a million miles of battery actually… maintenance costs waaaay lower … 200 moving parts vs 2500 it’s not an argument… electric cars will be better in every way … insurance is more but we will see where that lands
@Countduk005
@Countduk005 Ай бұрын
In a fight for the Tradie $$, I reckon the BYD will blitz the Market! The younger generation will all go ⚡⚡
@lancer1993
@lancer1993 Ай бұрын
Considering most are never used for serious off roading, at most would be used on muddy work sights, BYD could have a winner. Not bought a new car in over 30 years (I buy used) and I'm interested.
@sealoftheliving4998
@sealoftheliving4998 8 күн бұрын
Ford will soon build Ranger Raptor Orca. Orca will eat that Shark😂😂😂😂😂 Big question? Maintenance cost? How many years would the battery last? Cost of Battery and other parts? Availability of the Parts? How many years of Warranty?
@JSM-bb80u
@JSM-bb80u Ай бұрын
4:40 BYD shark's generator/engine would kick in when the battery lowers below 25%. Battery charge would increase while the vehicle is being driven.
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
Yes, but my question is will it be able to maintain 321kW throughout the battery SOC?
@JSM-bb80u
@JSM-bb80u Ай бұрын
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia I think it's just like EVs, would give the same acceleration in 25% and 90%. The problem arises only when the battery SOC is 0% because the generator alone can't give the peak power.
@billbiddy9083
@billbiddy9083 Ай бұрын
As I understand it the generator charges the battery or the front electric motor takes the charge to run it.
@sealoftheliving4998
@sealoftheliving4998 8 күн бұрын
Ford will soon build Ranger Raptor Orca. Orca will eat that Shark😂😂😂😂😂 Big question? Maintenance cost? How many years would the battery last? Cost of Battery and other parts? Availability of the Parts? How many years of Warranty?
@JSM-bb80u
@JSM-bb80u 7 күн бұрын
@@sealoftheliving4998 Is ranger raptor orca PHEV?
@tonyc9035
@tonyc9035 Ай бұрын
Hmmmm.... You compared EVERYTHING except the PRICE?? 😮
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@tonyc9035 Yes I knew that would be a controversial topic so I purposely steered clear. I wanted to concentrate on the products and specs; what the customer is actually going to use. If I compare prices I would have to factor in resale value as well. But yes, of course the price is very attractive with the BYD, and the Raptor (like most utes) are overpriced in my opinion.
@remakeit2628
@remakeit2628 Ай бұрын
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia Given that PRICE often dictates why certain cars will have better features I thought your *decision* was unwise. The Shark is marketed as a bit of an allrounder, and seems to fit that bill well. It's definitely not intended for serious off-roaders, but is a near perfect ute for every tradie I know, and because I used to put literally thousands into apprenticeships in my 20-year training industry career I know what I am talking about. In fact Dale, who recently tiled our bathroom and has 2 young kids, said the powerpoints alone meant he could now set up an undercover work tent next to this car and run his power tools without bothering his clients. With the Shark's driveaway base price of about $60000 compared to the Raptor's $98000 the overall comparison looked more like a *no contest*.
@vinceliu1397
@vinceliu1397 Ай бұрын
Price matters. It's meaningless if you compare a miata with a posche.
@sealoftheliving4998
@sealoftheliving4998 8 күн бұрын
Ford will soon build Ranger Raptor Orca. Orca will eat that Shark😂😂😂😂😂 Big question? Maintenance cost? How many years would the battery last? Cost of Battery and other parts? Availability of the Parts? How many years of Warranty?
@JettoGospel
@JettoGospel Ай бұрын
Yeah, byd australia website crashed when it had its launch and byd have too many order to keep up with at the moment, the people in mexico have it for already half a year and they are absolutely loving it, they even claim they are a level up above toyota and ford. Mic drop!
@sealoftheliving4998
@sealoftheliving4998 8 күн бұрын
Ford will soon build Ranger Raptor Orca. Orca will eat that Shark😂😂😂😂😂 Big question? Maintenance cost? How many years would the battery last? Cost of Battery and other parts? Availability of the Parts? How many years of Warranty?
@JettoGospel
@JettoGospel 7 күн бұрын
@sealoftheliving4998 highly likely byd would build an orca before ford
@Bruce-e6n
@Bruce-e6n Ай бұрын
"do existing owners want a plug in hybrid" maybe the question should be "are existing owners happy spending $200 a week on fuel"
@hawkesworth1712
@hawkesworth1712 Ай бұрын
I've never been a fan of comparing a $90k car with a $60k car particularly since they're obviously designed for different functions. You should also take into account that since the government is introducing new V2X rules the car becomes a potential house battery that can power the home during peak periods and recharge off-peak or from solar panels. Also with its battery range it could reduce the average tradie's spend on fuel to zero. Take a lawn mowing service for example. They could use cordless mowers and trimmers and charge batteries from the car at off-peak rates. As for range, it really isn't a thing because most people aren't going to drive 1100 kms in one go. Even if they do, would they prefer to do it in a car with an official consumption of 11.5L/100 or 2L/100. The Raptor is not even close to being competitive except for people who want to take it off-road, which is a very small percentage of ute owners.
@sealoftheliving4998
@sealoftheliving4998 8 күн бұрын
Ford will soon build Ranger Raptor Orca. Orca will eat that Shark😂😂😂😂😂 Big question? Maintenance cost? How many years would the battery last? Cost of Battery and other parts? Availability of the Parts? How many years of Warranty?
@rocknral
@rocknral Ай бұрын
Are you serious. You are comparing "jumping ability" !!?? Dont do drugs
@sealoftheliving4998
@sealoftheliving4998 8 күн бұрын
Ford will soon build Ranger Raptor Orca. Orca will eat that Shark😂😂😂😂😂 Big question? Maintenance cost? How many years would the battery last? Cost of Battery and other parts? Availability of the Parts? How many years of Warranty?
@AutoExpertJC
@AutoExpertJC Ай бұрын
Excellent assessment, Brett, Agreed mate. Interesting to see how PHEV 300kW (ish) compares to gasoline 300 kW (ish) in the real world. It certainly looks the business...
@888YangJi
@888YangJi Ай бұрын
ask byd for a test drive. would love to see your review of the BYD shark. John. big fan and long time subscriber.
@kajak012
@kajak012 Ай бұрын
science can explain 300kw Phev vs 300kw gasoline? i hope so
@behindthebuild8016
@behindthebuild8016 Ай бұрын
It’s not about the peak power it’s the instant torque / power
@jerrykim4117
@jerrykim4117 Ай бұрын
raptor is a dedicated off-road racer and shark is never made or advertised as such, what kind of comparison is this? departure angle is all about ground clearance, you should compare it after shark install a nice aftermarket inch up suspension. shark definitely heavier but raptor also doesn't have a V2L function, you should compare the weight after raptor install a similar capacity battery system for overlanding. it is all fit for purpose, you are now comparing an apple to an orange.
@sealoftheliving4998
@sealoftheliving4998 8 күн бұрын
Ford will soon build Ranger Raptor Orca. Orca will eat that Shark😂😂😂😂😂 Big question? Maintenance cost? How many years would the battery last? Cost of Battery and other parts? Availability of the Parts? How many years of Warranty?
@maddawg9116
@maddawg9116 Ай бұрын
Good luck trying to flatten the battery when you have petrol left in the tank. Clearly someone doesn't understand how the BYD PHEV work.
@sealoftheliving4998
@sealoftheliving4998 8 күн бұрын
Ford will soon build Ranger Raptor Orca. Orca will eat that Shark😂😂😂😂😂 Big question? Maintenance cost? How many years would the battery last? Cost of Battery and other parts? Availability of the Parts? How many years of Warranty?
@kennethprocak5176
@kennethprocak5176 Ай бұрын
Four wheel independent suspension is common, except where the manufacturers are saving production costs.
@domainiac
@domainiac Ай бұрын
Fbt exemption on novated lease makes this a no brainer
@sealoftheliving4998
@sealoftheliving4998 8 күн бұрын
Ford will soon build Ranger Raptor Orca. Orca will eat that Shark😂😂😂😂😂 Big question? Maintenance cost? How many years would the battery last? Cost of Battery and other parts? Availability of the Parts? How many years of Warranty?
@TerryHickey-xt4mf
@TerryHickey-xt4mf Ай бұрын
In NZ the reviews of the Shark have had mind boggling amount of views, so there is a lot of interest it seems. Here we do not have vast deserts to cover etc, and the nearest beach is always less than an hours drive away. I have a late model wildtrak and will test drive the shark as my boat is only 6m, also my recent service almost caused me to take out a second mortgage, low ks, never been bush bashed etc. It does make you feel like you are being ripped off. I also own an ev for running around town and in the last 2 years not spent that much on electrons to run it. ( I charge at home ).
@goldfools5445
@goldfools5445 Ай бұрын
You didn’t bring up the price point between the two. I mean if you pay more you should get more. Maybe a better comparison would be a Ranger of a similar price.
@rocco4213
@rocco4213 Ай бұрын
I tried to watch till the end of your video, but i can't 1. BYD's 1.5t petrol engine isn't "assisted" by its electric motors, unlike a Toyota Hybrid, the BYD PHEV is EV first, the engine is acting as an range extender 80% of the time. 2. Utes are bricks on wheels with no aerodynamic so the Shark does use more kwh than a Mitsubishi PHEV as you pointed out in your video. weight is less important once the car is moving, the extra kwh you used to push it up the hill you can get uo to 50% back on regen. Having a set of roof racks on the roof top will use more kwh than carrying an extra person. Another clickbait video full of questions from the BYD shark Facebook groups, and all things yet to be tested.
@kirovfactory
@kirovfactory Ай бұрын
for me the only thing I prefer over the Shark is its SUV sibling.
@sr20trx
@sr20trx Ай бұрын
Sure i got over 1000km from my Manual Amarok back in 2013, and the BYD only gives a theoretical range of 800km, so I would fill up once every 14 days wheras the BYD might be once every 10 days. But, if like most of the target audience your travelling less than 80kms a day (real world ev range) and plugging in at home most nights then theoretically again you could be getting 3, 4 ,5000kms or more between diesel fills. And realistically visiting a petrol station is the end of your range not plugging in at home.
@joshowens2062
@joshowens2062 Ай бұрын
Your review is completely upside down. The power comes from the electric motors with a 1.5 L turbo petrol only providing a little top up and for the most part acting as a generator for the batteries.
@good2freelance1
@good2freelance1 Ай бұрын
''weaker when the battery is near empty''? Why weaker? the battery is constantly topped up when it is below 25% or 50% depends on the settings.
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
Yes, I would like to test 0-100 with all stages of battery. In my experience with these new-brand vehicles, the hybrids drop quite a bit of performance when the battery is anything but 95% or more.
@joshowens2062
@joshowens2062 Ай бұрын
Talks about kilowatt per tonne in the BYD, while comparing it to a Raptor, but completely fails to mentioned the the approximately 30% mechanical power loss (yes, gears can multiple torque) but your power to weight ratio is not comparable. Electric motor has power straight to the wheel, with a loss of 8-10%
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@joshowens2062 That’s correct. So with your theory it should be a lot quicker than the Raptor. 321kW going straight to the wheels versus 292kW (probably down to 240kW by the time it reaches the tyres). I’ve timed a Raptor in 5.79s. I am keen to test the Shark to see what it will do.
@OllieVK
@OllieVK Ай бұрын
They've also announced a factory lift kit coming, which will change the offroad figures. They've also said there's a 1 tonne/3.5 tonne braked version coming, just not when.
@DBatty
@DBatty Ай бұрын
Keen to see how the Shark would go towing a 1.5T car/trailer combo. Say Adelaide to Tailem Bend up the hills and freeway. Could be the perfect daily EV with the capability to tow.
@JulesSch1
@JulesSch1 Ай бұрын
The only problem I have with the BYD Shark is choosing what colour to get, although I'm leaning towards black. All the other ICE utes on the market look like dinosaurs when comparing tech.
@mitchelljack1590
@mitchelljack1590 Ай бұрын
I ordered blue... loved the black but they do get hotter I swear
@mitchelljack1590
@mitchelljack1590 Ай бұрын
Would you be able to put a cab chassis tray on the BYD?
@VP-ud8we
@VP-ud8we Ай бұрын
Does anyone know if when driving at the highway speed the ICE will be able to charge the battery or just to maintain the current battery state?
@Marks.Reviews
@Marks.Reviews Ай бұрын
When your towing you want BYD to have all that torque the whole time your towing, even after hours of towing on a hot summers day travelling to a holiday destination.
@RedDog-e7v
@RedDog-e7v Ай бұрын
That’s a lie
@TerryHickey-xt4mf
@TerryHickey-xt4mf Ай бұрын
buy something more suitable.
@garageblitztv3215
@garageblitztv3215 Ай бұрын
I think your intended performance testing with a low to empty battery will be critical … this will inform potential buyers if there is a concern when loaded or towing if the 1.5lt 135KW 260Nw engine is inadequate at certain times when the battery is exhausted. I’m well aware that you hardly ever drive around at full power and the engine should be capable of holding a minimum charge … but let’s say you are a builder, living on the central coast and forget to charge overnight. You are fully loaded and towing a trailer and you have to negotiate the very steep climb out of the Central Coast, then all the very steep climbs before and after the Hawkesbury river. BTW: I’m not against the concept and I welcome what BYD is offering the market.
@sr20trx
@sr20trx Ай бұрын
@garageblitztv3215 you can't drain the battery it won't let you, performance never changes it always delivers the same power.
@kirovfactory
@kirovfactory Ай бұрын
very legit thoughts. I would look elsewhere if I need to frequently tow over 2 ton. The suspension is more restrictive compared to the powertrain. I believe it is a good strategy for BYD to use this setup and provide more competitive performance to capture the customers without heavy towing needs.
@garageblitztv3215
@garageblitztv3215 Ай бұрын
@@sr20trx “performance never changes, it always delivers the same power” … it has a 1.5lt engine producing 135KW and 260Nw which powers a generator … you cannot directly Harry Potter this into over 300KW!
@sr20trx
@sr20trx Ай бұрын
@garageblitztv3215 what? The motor 'is' the generator, it keeps the battery at minimum of 25% SOC so it will never go flat, as a result the vehicle always produces the same combined power. You are never going to be driving the vehicle on the ICE power only.
@garageblitztv3215
@garageblitztv3215 Ай бұрын
@@sr20trx Brett, the owner of this channel Driving Enthusiast, wants to conduct a very valid test, which could have some serious safety implications: Imagine the situation will you: You have been driving your BYD shark for a while now; loaded it drags off Rangers at the lights etc, and you have become subconsciously use to its capabilities … however, you are now out on the hi-way, loaded and for whatever reason the Hybrid battery is down to, or close to 25%. The 135Kw 260Nw engine is running and replenishing the battery, however there is a road train up ahead and a mild incline and you go to pass - what happens next? This is what Brett wants to confirm: 1: Does the driver have 100% access to the remaining 25% in the battery to provide full power and torque to pass safely? 2: How long will the remaining 25% in the battery last, with the engine at full power? 3: Does the BYD shark suddenly and unexpectedly lose power and torque once it goes below 25% battery capacity, possibly exposing the overtaking BYD shark to potential danger during an overtaking manoeuvre. This is a very important and valuable test Brett wants to conduct, because, you cannot magically put 135Kw 260Nw from a 1.5lt engine, through a generator and Harry Potter directly into 300Kw
@mindofown
@mindofown Ай бұрын
Thorough analysis as usual. Thanks
@peterachilles9346
@peterachilles9346 Ай бұрын
Why do people keep comparing this to the ranger raptor? The raptor is a full on off road performance ute that tossers buy to make themselves feel big. Its better off being compared to all standard diesel utes. Maybe compare it to the new gwm cannon phev coming out soon
@RedDog-e7v
@RedDog-e7v Ай бұрын
Paid by CCP
@TerryHickey-xt4mf
@TerryHickey-xt4mf Ай бұрын
I think it is the acceleration bit that gets people comparing.
@peterburdett8131
@peterburdett8131 22 күн бұрын
I’ll tell you how the Shark is a game changer. I have a Tesla that costs around $11 per month to charge. The Shark has an 80 km electric range so for normal city driving it will cost around the same, maybe a bit more. A Ranger or Raptor will cost $150-200 for the same usage. Then it has a benefit of light off roading to go camping with better economy . For a lot of users off road capability is not a big factor in the buying choice
@gsh0cked
@gsh0cked 21 күн бұрын
Im curious about real world fuel figures. 2.0L/100km at full charge. Then what? What happens when you set the State of Charge at 50%?
@PeterPehi
@PeterPehi 9 күн бұрын
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@Pattyoops
@Pattyoops Ай бұрын
Would be good to test its ability on a incline when fully loaded and towing. Handook suggests a max 12% incline when towing which doesnt seem steep at all. I think it has to do with only having the single motor on the rear axle that limits how much torque can be delivered to the rear axle
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
Great test idea.
@euphegeniadoubtfire1364
@euphegeniadoubtfire1364 Ай бұрын
Spoiler alert: Ford USA has issued a recall specifically for Ford models that are equipped 3.0 and 2.7L V6 engines. The recall affects nearly 100,000 vehicles.
@mrvatikaki
@mrvatikaki Ай бұрын
Yea, you will never see any recall from a chinese manufacturer. Their sh!t will just break down without warning.
@-PORK-CHOP-
@-PORK-CHOP- Ай бұрын
The power should be there all the time, LifePo4 battery technology keep their full output to around 90% - 95%, You can't compare the Shark to Raptor they are completely different vehicle, just like you can't compare entry Hilux to Raptor
@TerryHickey-xt4mf
@TerryHickey-xt4mf Ай бұрын
agree, they are for 2 different type of customers, it is the acceleration figure that gets people going.
@bernieadam1985
@bernieadam1985 18 күн бұрын
The Shark sounds great on paper, but we don't drive on paper. The warranty terms are stupid, you can't park it in dark humid environments, you can't take it through water crossings, you can't have the vehicle charging on a hot day - parts are not readily available, you have to rely on Kmart to repair and service it. A rotating screen is pointless, the interior is ostentatious and hollow. They've ripped off Giugaro as best as they can with it - that said. The potential benefits of the vehicle are way too hard to ignore. If it has the range and the drivability, if it fits the purpose it was designed for then they're setting a standard that the others won't be able to follow.
@lancer1993
@lancer1993 Ай бұрын
The Sharks weight is actually less than I though it would be, my NW Pajero in 2500kg, now it does had some drawers in the back but tops that only adds maybe 100kg The reason I'm comparing my Pajero to the Shark is the suspension, both are full independent setup. Oh and I have a 3000kg tow limit.
@kentaylor2950
@kentaylor2950 Ай бұрын
I really want to see how it goes with a flat battery. I understand the engine only powers the battery and has no connection to the actual drivetrain. If loaded up with a family of 4 off camping with all your gear, how hard will the engine be working to keep that battery over the 20ish percent charge?
@whomcares3438
@whomcares3438 Ай бұрын
Great assessment mate. Difficult to compare Raptor dedicated to off road work to BYD that is designed as a family Ute for the school run crowd
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
Thanks. Yeah, was simply highlighting some of the differences as some have compared it to the Raptor.
@jasonralls7279
@jasonralls7279 Ай бұрын
Love the comparison. Whether is fair or not, it’s good to do the math. Even if it’s to identify that BYD has become a real player and set the standard for the new ford ranger (besides tow capacity)
@kennethprocak5176
@kennethprocak5176 Ай бұрын
I see heaps of raptors with mum doing the school run. Don’t see raptors towing a trailer as a work truck.
@351tgv
@351tgv Ай бұрын
I'm a big believer in "accessible power" over peak power. You are hardly ever at peak power in day to day driving in metro conditions, sure if your passing a B-Double (re: 28 meter long semi --trailer) at highway speed or towing up a hill with trailer (no matter what you are towing) but remember you are them limited by speed, but the majority of driving you don't need more than 3,000rpm and that is where accessible power is made re: peak torque. What is more important is torque (and always has been) and while electric has instant torque that torque still has to be distributed via gearing and tyres just the same as liquid fuel vehicles. The Shark will initially do well in terms of sales but no way to sustain the early adopters, I see many people buying to try it out then off load it (which is always the case with electric cars), Ford and Toyota have more than enough in reserve to see off the Shark which will then be fighting the like of Isuzu and Mitshibishi or worse the other China players in the market in lets say 6 months from now which is how BYD sales have gone over the last few years.
@nisarnaibi
@nisarnaibi Ай бұрын
You didn't camper the price with Ford Rapter !?
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
Yes I knew that would be a controversial topic so I purposely steered clear of comparing the price. I wanted to concentrate on the products and specs; what the customer is actually going to use. If I compare prices I would have to factor in resale value as well. But yes, of course the price is very attractive with the BYD, and the Raptor (like most utes) is overpriced in my opinion.
@kolviczd6885
@kolviczd6885 Ай бұрын
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia Is BYD shark resale value really that bad before they even sold new ones!! Just curious!
@JettoGospel
@JettoGospel Ай бұрын
Raptor is ard $30 grand more expensive than a shark. If the shark gets an upgrade of 30 grand suspension it will probably do a higher jump and land safely. what other concerns are there, you probably have leftover money when you upgrand it with the best suspension amd upgrade the rest of the issues.
@gort3969
@gort3969 Ай бұрын
Only advantage weight has is when it comes to safety. It should come out on top in a crash situation against most things on the road.
@whomcares3438
@whomcares3438 Ай бұрын
Yes and know. Depending on the circumstances more weight will be detrimental in certain circumstances. More weight can and frequently does cause self destruction in a collision. Easier for a lighter car with strong chassis/crash cell to survive a collision.
@gort3969
@gort3969 Ай бұрын
@whomcares3438 I was only talking about accidents as in collisions with other vehicles which will in most cases are lighter
@whomcares3438
@whomcares3438 Ай бұрын
@ yeap I get it. I imagine this BYD has a great safety rating and the weight with it. I imagine it would obliterate a Toyota Yaris in a head on. However, Most vehicles these days has ‘crash cells’ and up until recently large dual cab Utes were light vehicles and were exempt from mandatory safety standards. You could literally crash a land cruiser dual cab into a 10 year old Volvo . The Toyota would self destruct, as in body come away from the chassis. The weight works against it in a collision. Occupants suffer badly. The Volvo wagon? You could still open the doors and get out. So many variables in these scenarios.
@bboystretch7788
@bboystretch7788 Ай бұрын
The worst (aggressive) drivers on the road are ute/dual cab drivers. With that much power it’s gonna be madness.
@gort3969
@gort3969 Ай бұрын
@@bboystretch7788 the hilux and ranger boys finally get something they can race and cause all kinds of problems with😄
@josephhalwagy6435
@josephhalwagy6435 Ай бұрын
Mate, On rough outback terrains as shown in the video requiring full battery juice for both motors, the 29KWH battery would be drained in no fucken time . Am I missing anything??
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@josephhalwagy6435 I am not entirely sure if it reverts to 2WD when the battery is drained. Something I would love to test. I think, like most hybrids, there is always some reserve battery. It’s probably like some hybrids which use an electric motor for reverse gear. But when the battery is almost flat the engine starts and provides energy to the battery/motor to continue using reverse gear.
@robtaylor893
@robtaylor893 Ай бұрын
The petrol engine is a generator… ffs where have you people been hiding… stop sniffing diesel and get with the programme… dinosaur juice is finished
@zimuli3549
@zimuli3549 Ай бұрын
As long as you have gas in the tank, this car has no shortage of power. It's different from traditional Toyota hybrid technology. The advantage of BYD's PHEV technology is that even if you never recharge the car, it is still the most fuel-efficient and powerful vehicle in this class. Toyota has already used BYD's technology to produce the BZ3X, and many reports say Toyota will also use BYD's PHEV technology.
@OllieVK
@OllieVK Ай бұрын
yep, that's not how it works.
@stephenstephen5753
@stephenstephen5753 Ай бұрын
Yeah. You have no idea how this works. To those 'mathing' the ICE generator output to the combined output of the electric motors and assuming the battery will go flat: you don't understand how little of the time a car uses its maximum power output. And can we presume the Chinese engineers, who lead the world in BEV/PHEV development, have thought of, and engineered their way around, any of the myriad issues that random guys on the internet, with no knowledge of how this system even works, are wildly speculating about?
@rocknral
@rocknral Ай бұрын
Just saying, when you put up spec sheets, make sure they are legible. Even pausing and zooming in, you can't read the thing.
@cameronmartin931
@cameronmartin931 Ай бұрын
With lithium batteries, they deliver almost the same voltage and current from 100% charge to almost flat. They don't get noticeably slowly worse like lead acid batteries.
@martinwajda
@martinwajda 22 күн бұрын
If you want to improve the off-road capability of the BYD you could just upgrade the suspension/ lift kit and put on some decent off-road or even all terrain tyres.
@ferraltech
@ferraltech Ай бұрын
Mate, do some research and have another go. Did you even try to learn what DMO is or did you just look at the spec sheet?
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@ferraltech The DMO is simply the platform. What part of it do you want me to ‘do some research and have another go’ at?
@robtaylor893
@robtaylor893 Ай бұрын
Fuel economy… shark wins… price…. Shark wins….. servicing costs … shark wins…. Emissions…. Shark wins…. Not every Ranger does “jumps”…. Most drive to the shops and back It’s also the first model…. BYD promises 3500 towing, greater range…. Cheaper options Reviewer must have Ranger tattooed on his arse
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@robtaylor893 Personally, I dislike all utes. They have rudimentary/uncomfortable suspension, poor handling and braking, often lacklustre performance and economy, and they are terrible for general shopping duties - shit just rolls around in the back. I honestly don't see the appeal for normal families. A wagon or SUV is much more suitable in my opinion. UNLESS you actually need to carry stuff in the back. So, no, I do not have Ranger tattooed on my arse. I don't think I would ever buy a ute as I have no need for one. As for your comments regarding 'servicing costs', these aren't even on the roads in Australia yet how can you possibly prove long-term servicing costs? 'BYD promises 3500kg towing and greater range' - already? So that means pushing resale further downward. Constant updates and new models are not a good thing. We are already a throw-away society. Having 2700kg items being thrown away is not "emissions - Shark wins" in my opinion.
@marcelfotomoto
@marcelfotomoto Ай бұрын
​@@drivingenthusiastaustralia Exactly. 100%
@kennethprocak5176
@kennethprocak5176 Ай бұрын
I’ve seen Mercedes SUV stuck in an auto car wash because the wide wheels jammed it in between the car wash wheel guides.
@RedDog-e7v
@RedDog-e7v Ай бұрын
That’s a lie
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
Lol
@stuartmarshall7099
@stuartmarshall7099 Ай бұрын
Apparently vehicle to load standards announced over the weekend. Means you can run your house of the shark during a blackout
@billbiddy9083
@billbiddy9083 Ай бұрын
There is a nz vid with a load on the back. He said it drove better on the suspension with the load. Cause it had a bit of bumpiness empty.
@FutureSystem738
@FutureSystem738 Ай бұрын
Straight Hybrids (no plug) are simply stupid. PLUG in hybrids with decent size battery and decent electric range are a great idea as most people can run it around town on pure electric.
@Bruce-e6n
@Bruce-e6n Ай бұрын
power will not change when the battery goes flat
@shazbot2357
@shazbot2357 Ай бұрын
Humvee has independent front and rear suspension with coil springs. It does ok offroad.... 🧐
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@shazbot2357 It has portal hubs with gearing - very different to this 👍
@biastv1234
@biastv1234 Ай бұрын
Do we really need 2.7 tonne four wheel drive utes that do 0 to 100 in 5.XX seconds? The VK “ Blue Meany “ commodore took 7 seconds and it was fast enough.
@steven1898
@steven1898 Ай бұрын
yes, yes we do.
@vitorharalambus6537
@vitorharalambus6537 Ай бұрын
Hilllll yissss we do, this was made for people like me 💪
@stuartmarshall7099
@stuartmarshall7099 Ай бұрын
Misleading thumbnail. 😢
@PeterPehi
@PeterPehi Ай бұрын
GOOD. WORK. BRETT. B Y D. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
@sengream9197
@sengream9197 Ай бұрын
Please do a fuel consumption test, my guess is the Raptor would win every time to the servo. Holy CRAPTOR Raptor
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@sengream9197 Lol definitely. The Raptor loves a drink.
@espaudio
@espaudio Ай бұрын
265/65 R18 is 10.7” wide according to my Tyre conversion app?
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@espaudio I was talking about the rim size in reference to 8.0in. That’s pretty narrow for this size/weight vehicle.
@espaudio
@espaudio Ай бұрын
@ roger. Cheers
@kennethprocak5176
@kennethprocak5176 Ай бұрын
What’s with tyre size? The INIOS weight is 2800kg, and the defenders aren’t much lighter, they don’t have ridiculous wide tyres unless you order them with them. Discovery 4 are heavy and the tyres are not large.
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@kennethprocak5176 Yes but they don’t offer the performance of 0-100 in 5.7s. A vehicle that can accelerate to such speeds so quickly, I think, deserves only the best tyres.
@JH-hx9kg
@JH-hx9kg Ай бұрын
Am between the BYD Shark and the LDV T60 MAX+, This will be an interesting comparison as not sure the BYD is worth the extra spend or if the potential fuel savings would even be a reality with all the added battery weight. Ok the LDV does not have this performance but ultimately a lot less to go wrong in the bush.
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@JH-hx9kg I would go with the Musso if value is your top priority. The LDV is cheap but a bit crude in my opinion. The BYD costs 50% more but if you can stretch it does have some very cool tech and capabilities. Resale value (if that matters to you) is probably going to be pretty low in all three, especially if BYD rolls out updates and revised models every 1-2 years (as per usual with EVs) - I’ve heard there’s already talk of a 2.0T engine in the works Hope that helps.
@allanchapman6250
@allanchapman6250 Ай бұрын
What I can gather from what you’re saying is that you don’t understand how the Shark drive change works at all !!!!!!!!!😮😮😮
@BigCarKilla
@BigCarKilla Ай бұрын
4:40 - no different to heat soak on the Ranger, or a very cold day vs a very hot day in a Raptor. Nothing is consistent.
@BW-nd5uc
@BW-nd5uc 14 күн бұрын
I've driven a Ford 2l bi-turbo for 4 years now and I only ever get less than 11l per 100km on the highway. It is NOT such an efficient engine as you would think...
@Hellofarush
@Hellofarush Ай бұрын
Why oh why are people trying to compare anything to a Raptor. Wildtrak or sports, but please stop with the V Raptor. No manufacturer is going to even try to compete with a purpose made car. Rnd would be insane for the limited amount of sales.
@351tgv
@351tgv Ай бұрын
maybe so however there are off the shelf after-market suspension options also tyre options as well as enhancements that can be easily made, of course what that ads to price is another concern.
@raysalter6456
@raysalter6456 Ай бұрын
Will be interesting how reliable and longevity they are 😊 parts availability this byd shark does look interesting 😊
@newfangledsoftware6185
@newfangledsoftware6185 12 күн бұрын
Weird comparison considering the price difference.
@jimmyp1433
@jimmyp1433 Ай бұрын
Why do people get so defensive about the Shark?
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@jimmyp1433 Good question. I find it’s similar with any of these new brands. Maybe fans have committed early and they don’t want to hear anything but absolute praise and support? It’s not the same with most existing brands; if someone slightly criticises a Toyota or Ford, BMW or whatever, nobody (Including their fans) seems to care. It’s interesting.
@TerryHickey-xt4mf
@TerryHickey-xt4mf Ай бұрын
I think they just want to give it a 'fair go' as I will, and test drive one to see how it compares to my wildtrak x.
@kolviczd6885
@kolviczd6885 Ай бұрын
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia Most Chinese products are branded as cheap and crappy before people even touch them. And with that preconceived mindset, people tend to focus more on how bad the product is.. instead of what it has to offer! BYD is one very few brand from China that is getting some positive or I would say neutral feedback so far. So I think people just want to give it a 'fair go' as it will push the legacy automakers to lower their overprice cars and stop robbing people.
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@kolviczd6885 What part of what I said was ‘unfair’?
@benwarnock
@benwarnock Ай бұрын
A lot of Chinese bots imo
@Mr.Cyberdude
@Mr.Cyberdude Ай бұрын
The real test will be when someone takes it up the high country to somewhere like Billy Goats Bluff from East to West as the hill climbing rating on paper is only 31 Degrees and it's not stated if that's unloaded or loaded or if that's a rating related to towing a trailer on a road weighing 2500kg. Does anyone have the details on the hill climb rating? It was touched on here kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGaogHZ6m7OVkMksi=uw3M1u9w0gZhP9sR&t=237 but details are missing.
@sr20trx
@sr20trx Ай бұрын
Just FYI, The performance never drops off as the motor is a generator and never lets the battery drop below a certain percentage. Also comparing it to a Raptor like a lot of people seem to do, i am assuming as it runs an identical 0-100 time is like comparing my Tesla Model 3 to a Porsche 911....its not a Raptor competitor. I hate the idea of Phevs but do like the Shark, although from what ive seen on a Kiwi EV youtube channel its off road performance looks abysmal, and if you lift up the rear seat base it looks as dodgy af with just ill fitting velco'd carpet patches over orange wired inverters and what not...
@stephendonaghey1261
@stephendonaghey1261 Ай бұрын
I was looking at a ranger but as i go camping , I ordered a Shark through work on a novated lease. amazing tax savings on a hybird.
@kromey111
@kromey111 Ай бұрын
Oh boy patrol landcruiser Silverado come with 265 tyres
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
They don't weigh 2700kg and/or they don't do 0-100 in 5.7s. Edit: Standard Silverado LTZ comes with 275s.
@kromey111
@kromey111 Ай бұрын
@ haven’t seen a shark do 5.7 yet. Yep y62 patrol is 2800kg. Around 6 seconds
@kromey111
@kromey111 Ай бұрын
@ you seen a shark do 5.7 ?
@drivingenthusiastaustralia
@drivingenthusiastaustralia Ай бұрын
@@kromey111 I have never achieved 6.0s in Y62. I’ve tested 7 of them over the years; best result was 7.04s.
@kromey111
@kromey111 Ай бұрын
@ yeah dunno what so called 5.7 has to do with tyre width though. How often ya gunna do that ?
@sealoftheliving4998
@sealoftheliving4998 8 күн бұрын
Ford will soon build Ranger Raptor Orca. Orca will eat that Shark😂😂😂😂😂 Big question? Maintenance cost? How many years would the battery last? Cost of Battery and other parts? Availability of the Parts? How many years of Warranty?
@RedDog-e7v
@RedDog-e7v Ай бұрын
The cheap Chinese Utes will be perfect for when the concrete cowboy comes out of the inner city latte sipper to go on their annual camping trip to the local dam and bird watching trips, meanwhile the real men will continue to drive Japanese vehicles for work and play
@nickjoylanding2403
@nickjoylanding2403 Ай бұрын
The cheap Japanese utes are good for 'real' men with shallow pockets. Real men will continue to drive full size supercharged truck for work and play.
@RedDog-e7v
@RedDog-e7v Ай бұрын
@ found the Chinese 50 cent army, same stupid comments on every Chinese vehicle review
@RedDog-e7v
@RedDog-e7v Ай бұрын
@ Chinese 50 cent army. Trolling Chinese vehicle reviews for the CCP. How about go get a real job
@jimmyp1433
@jimmyp1433 Ай бұрын
Real men ride horses
@RedDog-e7v
@RedDog-e7v Ай бұрын
@@nickjoylanding2403 Chinese 50 cent army
@jasonellis5202
@jasonellis5202 12 күн бұрын
You compare a byd to raptor ? Not really apples and apples I don't think byd are claiming an ultimate offroader or the price tag of one. Ground clearance raptor272mm Shark 230mm, ranger 237mm ?? 7mm difference.if 90% of your driving is on the black 7mm is not going to be a show stopper Byd 80 to 100km electric. Not that great for that capacity battery ? Ok what similar vehicle ute gets better ? Oh and the rangers good for 45km. Oh and then there's the 25k plus price difference. Spin it how you like, people will vote with there cash. You should be a politician
@richardwalsh5570
@richardwalsh5570 Ай бұрын
Sorry, I dont feel like giving my hard earnt to China if I don't have too. No brainer I reckon. Anything but Chinese.
@boiscooka232
@boiscooka232 Ай бұрын
Don't buy CCP junk 😡 buy Ford or Democracy car with freedom of speech bundle 🤣
@No1careabU
@No1careabU Ай бұрын
Funny. Chinese people think so too. China sells 30 million vehicles a year. However, Ford has withdrawn from the Chinese market. It has no competitiveness at all in China. What's even more infuriating is that Chinese people do not boycott foreign products.
@888YangJi
@888YangJi Ай бұрын
coping much?
@onetwothreefour-s1n
@onetwothreefour-s1n Ай бұрын
Why?
@manimalworks7424
@manimalworks7424 Ай бұрын
Did you check what you used to type this comment? Where was it made? 😂
@rhoelg
@rhoelg Ай бұрын
so risky to be the first buyer of that junk, definitely good paper but..... needs to be proven first!
@Tammy-xf4kz
@Tammy-xf4kz Ай бұрын
Well. They Gotta start somewhere
@perpetualgrin5804
@perpetualgrin5804 Ай бұрын
How can junk be good on paper ?
@Johnno1979
@Johnno1979 Ай бұрын
BYD are the leading battery manufacture in the world. They have been making cars since 2005 and their fist PHEV was 2008. The 1.5L engine is well tested over seas and the Shark had 1.5 million km of testing in development. Given the price, the reviews to date and the 6 year car, 8 year battery warranty i have little concerns with ordering it.
@jasonralls7279
@jasonralls7279 Ай бұрын
BYD has only sold twice as many cars as Tesla this year,making it the biggest Selling EV company in the world. It must be because they sell cheap nasty cars that are pieces of crap. 😂😂😂😂. Fingers crossed I don’t eat my words in 6 months 😮
@julianchung9215
@julianchung9215 Ай бұрын
How can you call it junk if it has yet to be proven? Your probably peesuming all china made stuff are junk....
@Rocycle
@Rocycle Ай бұрын
Chinese electric toy car junk built with slave labour vs American twin turbo 4x4 beast Raptor 🤔
@pyrobob208
@pyrobob208 Ай бұрын
Would be very wary of buying one until there are a few on the road to see if they are reliable. Reports from China are that BYD's fall apart quickly.
@mitchelljack1590
@mitchelljack1590 Ай бұрын
There has been BYD's in Australia for years...
@lukemothug
@lukemothug Ай бұрын
Show us your source?
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