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Brink of Speed

Brink of Speed

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@BrinkofSpeed
@BrinkofSpeed 12 күн бұрын
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@Brooks22n
@Brooks22n 11 күн бұрын
Not if your on list @ Criswell Chevrolet etc, NO $ Markup
@michaelsavo-mg2pc
@michaelsavo-mg2pc 10 күн бұрын
I can buy any car I want will never buy this car until it hits the street to really see what it's all about don't buy the hipe they are pushing this car more than it is don't over pay if you like it you can have it let all the idiots over pay and then you can sweep in and buy it remember it's not a high quality car it will come down like it has been all through history
@Fat-bananas
@Fat-bananas 9 күн бұрын
@@michaelsavo-mg2pc I'm has yet to underperform with their sportscar offerings over the years, and C8 is not exception. Just as the Z06 has been shattering records, the ZR1 will offer greater performance for nearly anything under a half million dollars.
@richardmiller6422
@richardmiller6422 5 күн бұрын
HACK
@tier1detailcompany
@tier1detailcompany 12 күн бұрын
Then comes the $150k markup
@cleverusernamecl5532
@cleverusernamecl5532 11 күн бұрын
Eventually it will under msrp just like the z06.
@leisurexs2844
@leisurexs2844 11 күн бұрын
Yup, way under. It’s still just a vette
@davidruff4826
@davidruff4826 9 күн бұрын
@@cleverusernamecl5532 Yep, when the Zora is announced or the C8. Those with deep pockets will move on to that and this one will get the discount treatment.
@robert2922
@robert2922 12 күн бұрын
The Corvette has finally and now completely left high earner blue collar market.Wow!
@Forever.Remain.Nameless
@Forever.Remain.Nameless 12 күн бұрын
Base C8 is $70k, ZR1 was never for the average joe.....
@regsmith7604
@regsmith7604 11 күн бұрын
Exactly
@sly7891
@sly7891 12 күн бұрын
My guesstimate was 175k, Rick is absolutely right and I hope GM listens.
@frankkeel8410
@frankkeel8410 8 күн бұрын
I love Corvettes but the dealers are so in adequate to provide any decent service. Are they training staff for the ZR 1 services now! What is Corporate doing to provide a steady flow of parts?
@rlstrad2059
@rlstrad2059 12 күн бұрын
For what this brings performance-wise, a killer deal.
@fjalics
@fjalics 12 күн бұрын
The quarter mile time is good for a gas car. Half mile, U drags, and lap times will be interesting.
@timmyboy3459
@timmyboy3459 10 күн бұрын
The best thing about this car is that the preowned z06 market will fall and I’ll finally be able to afford one…. :)
@c8miamicarclub
@c8miamicarclub 10 күн бұрын
Called several dealers 100k mark up with a 50k deposit. Not worth 275k with a depreciation of 100k once you drive it off the lot.
@MrMustangrick
@MrMustangrick 5 күн бұрын
Yep, another dealer rip off!
@raymondhumphrey2749
@raymondhumphrey2749 12 күн бұрын
185.000 start... Nice,But my 2025 ZO6 is just fine.👍 Not a bad Price.🙏
@norwegianblue2017
@norwegianblue2017 12 күн бұрын
If I won this, I would sell it at a premium immediately and then go buy a Z06 for under MSRP.
@A_to_Zappa
@A_to_Zappa 12 күн бұрын
I just grabbed a C8 and I really like the split back window...
@The-Cadillac-Lawyer-ZL1
@The-Cadillac-Lawyer-ZL1 7 күн бұрын
I can't wait for the Corvette SUV. GM better put a supercharged or TT V8 in that boy. I would an NA V8 Corvette SUV as well.
@WildCPA
@WildCPA 12 күн бұрын
I guessed $175K last night on Octane Hour, it came in at $174,995, I was within $5! 😁
@livinglife3230
@livinglife3230 11 күн бұрын
🍪🍪🍪
@greatwhitenorthcorvette8133
@greatwhitenorthcorvette8133 12 күн бұрын
I’m waiting for the Zora!
@marcusblackmon1080
@marcusblackmon1080 12 күн бұрын
oh brother
@JohnnyLightningV10
@JohnnyLightningV10 12 күн бұрын
1200 plus HP with 225k price I am down
@idiculasamuel127
@idiculasamuel127 11 күн бұрын
Base stingray under 70k Z06 115k and ZR1 175k. All have the same interior. Only few people will even know the difference. 2.8 vs 2.3. Other than bragging rights nothing else. Remember you still have to go to base level Chevy dealership drink stale coffee, no loaner and sit in stinky rooms with folks are waiting on their 30k cars for service. You buy a 200k car you need to have an all around 200k experience. Do note I own a stingray and even my Kia dealer treats me better than Chevy dealer. People who want to spend 200k is buying the Italian or German car trust me. Stingray with the improved interior got me as customer as I see value in it, but I still hate the dealership experience as they just don’t know what it takes to service a premium car.
@TheVinceZampella
@TheVinceZampella 12 күн бұрын
how are you disappointed… it’s priced like a highly optioned out Z06 + 10K, similar to the Z06 being like 10K over a highly optioned stingray. Seems like a crazy bargain to me
@cabuboyvisitacion1298
@cabuboyvisitacion1298 12 күн бұрын
Because when it hits the cheatership I mean the dealership they’re going to mark it up to around 300k+ 😂😂😂
@TheVinceZampella
@TheVinceZampella 12 күн бұрын
@ so don’t buy from dealers that do ADMs. Ciocca, Hendricks (maybe??) won’t charge an ADM. just be patient, you don’t need to have it right away
@cleverusernamecl5532
@cleverusernamecl5532 11 күн бұрын
@@TheVinceZampella He is not going to buy one at any price.
@markoon139
@markoon139 11 күн бұрын
Ya I don't understand the complaints. It also comes standard with carbon brakes and some other things that would be options on a Z06. This is a killer deal
@Fat-bananas
@Fat-bananas 10 күн бұрын
@@TheVinceZampella we've literally been saying this to the complainers since the C8 has been out, and people still don't listen.
@stefantakacs
@stefantakacs 11 күн бұрын
Will there be a Zora version after?
@Jimmy-corvette-z6o
@Jimmy-corvette-z6o 12 күн бұрын
The Vett is definitely not the average American affordable sports car anymore! Sweet ride though
@davehartpence5037
@davehartpence5037 11 күн бұрын
Sure it is just not the top tier one.
@Jimmy-corvette-z6o
@Jimmy-corvette-z6o 11 күн бұрын
@ maybe cause im Canadian ! 1LT stingray 90k 🙂
@OneAndOnlyKJx
@OneAndOnlyKJx 11 күн бұрын
@@Jimmy-corvette-z6o Our Canadian $ kills us.
@bossanova7462
@bossanova7462 12 күн бұрын
This is great news for anyone looking to buy a slightly used C8 Z06. They are already closing in on below 100k and will keep on dropping. The C8 honey moon is over and hold out for great deals.
@Acdetomaso
@Acdetomaso 12 күн бұрын
I ain’t never seen c8 z06 near 100k
@namestas1591
@namestas1591 11 күн бұрын
@@AcdetomasoAutotrader has several close to it. Definitely bound to be more shortly as news gets out and Z06 owners look to move their cars for the ZR1
@livinglife3230
@livinglife3230 11 күн бұрын
@@AcdetomasoI have, 105 to be exact on Autotrader
@livinglife3230
@livinglife3230 11 күн бұрын
Exactly why I’m waiting to upgrade to the z06, once the zr1 are out on the market 🤞🏽
@stefantakacs
@stefantakacs 11 күн бұрын
Great, wondering if it can really achieve that 0-60 number. So much power.
@frankkeel8410
@frankkeel8410 8 күн бұрын
Who and what is the cost of insurance for this 3LZ ZR1?
@trebm3
@trebm3 12 күн бұрын
Good luck getting a price near msrp. I’m guessing $50k dealer markup minimum
@cabuboyvisitacion1298
@cabuboyvisitacion1298 12 күн бұрын
Nah more like 100k mark up.
@digitallio
@digitallio 11 күн бұрын
yep … no surprise … those who can will buy … rest may be lucky enough to see it drive by 😂
@aaronvector4750
@aaronvector4750 12 күн бұрын
With a High optioned Z06 costing as much as 186k, 175k base for Bugatti Veyron performance is an absolute steal!
@ky7518
@ky7518 12 күн бұрын
Agreed 👍
@digitallio
@digitallio 11 күн бұрын
no one is considering a base veyron 😂😂😂
@dakotaautosales9673
@dakotaautosales9673 11 күн бұрын
@digitalio No one is talking about buying a Bugatti Veyron😂 They are merely talking about the performance of one🤡😂😂
@Lil_Juvieee
@Lil_Juvieee 12 күн бұрын
I’m interested to see what the 3LZ Zora model pricing would be since the 3LZ ZR1 looks to be around 200k. $250k-275k for a 3LZ 1200 hp hybrid awd corvette?? 🤔
@A_to_Zappa
@A_to_Zappa 12 күн бұрын
$180K Chevy said... $325K Mustang GTD...
@MrMustangrick
@MrMustangrick 5 күн бұрын
That Mustang is way overpriced for what you get.
@qwahzelee6424
@qwahzelee6424 12 күн бұрын
When does the zr1 embargo end?
@ManfredEWhite
@ManfredEWhite 12 күн бұрын
Great price. Nice video.
@kerry_glock
@kerry_glock 11 күн бұрын
Great News Finally!!! Been anxiously awaiting the Pricing Information. Is there a Printable Pricing List Available? If I can receive an allocation, I’m In! I would like to keep a build around $200,000 Yes, need to get the GM Build Site up ASAP.
@mr.dodosoft6952
@mr.dodosoft6952 12 күн бұрын
Now all I'm worried about is dealer markups.. but I'd seriously consider buying one
@brucelaird3978
@brucelaird3978 12 күн бұрын
Plus $$$$$$ dealer markups. I would bet landing one will be $250,000.
@TheVinceZampella
@TheVinceZampella 12 күн бұрын
just wait, it’s GM. they will make them for as long as they can make money off em. no one needs to fall for the hype, buy from dealers who don’t charge over MSRP - like Ciocca
@digitallio
@digitallio 11 күн бұрын
i’d say that 250 is about right .. even 300 … this should be for those who can and will buy
@MotoJB
@MotoJB 8 күн бұрын
100%.top specs will be 100k markup. One youtuber was quoted 300k for his allocation.
@caribbeanseas
@caribbeanseas 12 күн бұрын
If you’re disappointed now wait until they tak on the 150k markup
@patrickdunn8918
@patrickdunn8918 11 күн бұрын
I’m hanging onto my 2024 Stingray
@krissolson7043
@krissolson7043 11 күн бұрын
The only bad part is you have to buy it from a Chevy dealer.
@superfast30
@superfast30 11 күн бұрын
If I was in the market, I would order the slickest, lowest down force bare bones model and embrace its all out speed capabilities even though one would rarely be able to exploit them!
@c8z06vitoria
@c8z06vitoria 11 күн бұрын
Honestly, I still prefer my 2023 70th Anniversary Z06/07.🙂 Mike, sent you a question on your previous video, I know it has nothing to do with this video, question, did you lower your car with Paragon collars that has a 3/4 drop and second, what shop do you recommend here in the DFW area? Thanks
@gtamantube
@gtamantube 12 күн бұрын
how much does it cost; gm; how much you got?
@willy6271-q9u
@willy6271-q9u 12 күн бұрын
They'll be over 200grand once the dealers get there grubby hands on them..
@Buckeyes1974
@Buckeyes1974 12 күн бұрын
So 220k after the dealership gets em
@OneAndOnlyKJx
@OneAndOnlyKJx 12 күн бұрын
I was hoping it'd be around a $150,000 msrp. This has more than likely priced me out.
@vettesweetnos
@vettesweetnos 11 күн бұрын
It's not worth 70k more than a Z06 to me, 50k at most. I'm keeping my Z06 as it's 200k after taxes, ppf, and mods already. I'm picking up an m3 comp xdrive instead. 2 cars better than 1 for me
@MrMustangrick
@MrMustangrick 5 күн бұрын
So get the Z06 then. We drive on public roads, not racetracks.
@OneAndOnlyKJx
@OneAndOnlyKJx 5 күн бұрын
@MrMustangrick I already have the Z06. It's amazing, but who can say no to a ZTK package 1000hp machine?
@rab2826
@rab2826 11 күн бұрын
Hopefully with this engine it should be able to keep up with modern day traffic.
@jerometruitt2731
@jerometruitt2731 2 күн бұрын
Didnt the last ZR1 max out at 190? An extra 10-11K makes sense
@shoobidyboop8634
@shoobidyboop8634 12 күн бұрын
How awesome would that cutout car at 0:24 be in my living room? Ask someone where those cars end up.
@nishali3343
@nishali3343 11 күн бұрын
I guessed $175K using the base price of 2024 Z06 per HP multiply by the HP of the ZR1 ($164 x 1,064)
@DarylIsaacs-fm9cv
@DarylIsaacs-fm9cv 9 күн бұрын
I’ll stick with my 2025 ZO6 3LZ blackout carbon flash top to bottom convertible natural and black interior cost $125.000 👍
@patrickdunn8918
@patrickdunn8918 11 күн бұрын
It’s priced exactly where I thought it would be.
@TheDominic1612
@TheDominic1612 11 күн бұрын
the car is very beautiful
@wildsaddle6000
@wildsaddle6000 7 күн бұрын
Two big questions most of us must decide for ourselves. How long to wait to get one? If I do not get one by 2026 then it's not for me. And, how much am I willing to pay over sticker? For me, not much maybe $20K maximum. IMO.
@realswedenman
@realswedenman 11 күн бұрын
You got a Realy great car for that money!
@glenfoster9228
@glenfoster9228 11 күн бұрын
It's actually priced about what I thought it would be considering the specially designed turbos this car has....and there's 2 of them
@ivans6.2ss20
@ivans6.2ss20 8 күн бұрын
I had told myself that the cost of it was going to be around $180 to $2k
@alexchavez9083
@alexchavez9083 11 күн бұрын
I was thinking 300k gm always seems to amaze me with the corvette
@amill1563
@amill1563 12 күн бұрын
186k for a 3LZ sounds reasonable. I'll assume you are ordering one asap.
@kerry_glock
@kerry_glock 11 күн бұрын
The ZR1 is coming in at a Price close to my Guesstimate. I was hoping for somewhere around $160,000. Then, to Max Out under $200,000. Getting an Allocation will be the hard part. I would like to think my local Dealership has a chance at getting allocations, but how GM will pass them out needs to be explained. I’ve been told there is a formula and or process within the Sales District as to which Dealerships can receive their allocations. It’s based to an extent as to how many 3 LTs they sell within their Sales District. No matter how you cut it, it’s an Expensive Vehicle, but it’s a Bargain (😂) compared to the other Super Cars, especially if you can get it at MSRP. How many Customers are willing to drop $200,000 on a Car? Then I’m in an area (South Central Pennsylvania) where I will only drive this vehicle or any other Corvette 6 months out of the year.
@matt-g-recovers
@matt-g-recovers 11 күн бұрын
I don't think they are taking advantage on the convertible. It seems to me the trick* of hiding that top on this car takes a lot more effort. Probably took them a ton in R&D to get it right too, and they must try to recoup that. This price is amazing. I am very excited, it actually puts this car in the "maybe someday if I am smart enough with my money" category... exactly what a ZR1 should be.
@davidruff4826
@davidruff4826 9 күн бұрын
Its more than I was thinking at the $150K mark. It does make the Z06 that more of a bargain. It is less than most people we're telling me, that this would be a $200K car. I do wonder what the Zora will be priced at. I'm guessing that's the $200K car then.
@8lakk5unshine
@8lakk5unshine 12 күн бұрын
The price isn't bad considering the performance and the market. Remember, you can always get a Z06 and have a good performance shop slap a TT kit on and tune it instead.
@vertisjohnson219
@vertisjohnson219 12 күн бұрын
Will it be limited production, or will there be a 2026?
@alkonaut9985
@alkonaut9985 12 күн бұрын
Not limited… these will depreciate just as bad as the Z06s and E-Rays… I’m guessing the Zora is going to be a one-year limited run though.
@YodaZR1
@YodaZR1 12 күн бұрын
@@alkonaut9985I agree, I’m thinking C8 will run through model year 2028 with the Zora coming in that final year which coincides as the 75th anniversary. Then C9 comes in as a ‘29.
@Texas_Clay
@Texas_Clay 12 күн бұрын
Who won the bet between you and Darren?
@tellinustr8up
@tellinustr8up 9 күн бұрын
The issue is that these corvettes are all depreciating assets. Not worth it to pay these astronomical prices and have them depreciate significantly a year or 2 later
@maromyers964
@maromyers964 11 күн бұрын
Under 200k for 1000hp mid engine 233mph car is insane
@bobboy5508
@bobboy5508 9 күн бұрын
Can’t get another 1000hp car under 1 million though.
@wildsaddle6000
@wildsaddle6000 12 күн бұрын
I'm #20 on the list for a 2025 ZR1. How long do you think I have to wait? A guess is fine I'm not going to hold you to it. And I can't call the dealership as if I bother them I will wind up on the bottom of the list. Lol. I'm not paying more than $20K on a markup period. I would buy the Lamborghini Temerario at $400K as long as I pay sticker rather than paying $50K+ over sticker for a 2025 ZR1. Thanks.
@larrynewberry3500
@larrynewberry3500 12 күн бұрын
I figured 165 for base. The price is still a bargain for what you get.
@joegastaneta87
@joegastaneta87 11 күн бұрын
Hell no 200k tax tag dealer cost. 😢
@rcauthen324
@rcauthen324 12 күн бұрын
Dealers are going to ask at min. $225,000 with their markups.
@johnnevins7666
@johnnevins7666 9 күн бұрын
It’ll be well over $200k with the Aero and ZTK packages once the dealer jacks the price up with all their bullshit fees and costs meant to exploit the people with the money to actually buy one. Probably $210k
@mike23stingray
@mike23stingray 12 күн бұрын
It’s only 2 Bitcoins! Let’s go Darren! 😆
@ssoffshore5111
@ssoffshore5111 12 күн бұрын
Way higher than I would've guessed. I was thinking around $155k starting price. I'm pretty well off, but >$200k with a few basic options is just too much IMO, and that's not even factoring in the crazy mark-ups we all know will be happening!
@gregorywilson8640
@gregorywilson8640 12 күн бұрын
225k with The markup.
@THE_WOAT
@THE_WOAT 11 күн бұрын
So min 300K after markup, prolly 350K.
@greatwhitenorthcorvette8133
@greatwhitenorthcorvette8133 12 күн бұрын
I wasn’t far off at $17900
@brycecampbell4845
@brycecampbell4845 11 күн бұрын
GM has built 💩 for 50 years. But they come out with a high HP engine and they want prices of refined exotics. No thanks. I'd rather have a Porsche 911 GTS than this piece of 💩 . TUNE THE GTS AND BEAT the Vette every time. Not to mention the quality and refinement. "2.3 0-60"? 1 out of 500 runs. The 911 will do it on a regular basis. Because they are conservative on their #'s. Chevy is liberal on theirs. And they already are having trouble with the electronics in the ZO6 and base models. No way
@WillHal1000
@WillHal1000 11 күн бұрын
A LOOOOT of these are gonna sit at the dealerships for a long time.
@MotoJB
@MotoJB 8 күн бұрын
LOL, no they won't.
@MrMustangrick
@MrMustangrick 5 күн бұрын
There will not be many made….
@fonqstarr3636
@fonqstarr3636 12 күн бұрын
The top is carbon fiber
@dhope6181
@dhope6181 12 күн бұрын
So the new interior is gonna be next year or in 2026
@mattyarnall4902
@mattyarnall4902 12 күн бұрын
Trying to get that thumbs up before pissing people off with the price, lol.
@petercarey5074
@petercarey5074 11 күн бұрын
I fear Conti's request will fall on deaf ears. Plus, do you really think that you'll be able to purchase the ZR1 at sticker price? Hmmm, I don't think so. We'll see what dealers like MacMulkin and Ciocca do. Save the Wave 🙋‍♂
@audrece
@audrece 12 күн бұрын
Wow, I told my coworkers 175k! I can't believe I was that close!!!!!
@Delion420
@Delion420 11 күн бұрын
Pricing is more than reasonable based on the market
@envywhyenvy
@envywhyenvy 12 күн бұрын
Super price for all the performance you get. Nothing in the supercar class even comes close to the price. But I need premier service as well for a $200k car like Lamborghini and Ferrari
@Jimmy-corvette-z6o
@Jimmy-corvette-z6o 2 күн бұрын
250k for a Chevy for some reason does not feel right, but killer car. If you have the cash prob better value to go European!! Chevys going little crazy now lol
@alicemost5698
@alicemost5698 4 күн бұрын
starting price is 280k
@BrinkofSpeed
@BrinkofSpeed 4 күн бұрын
Nope
@BrinkofSpeed
@BrinkofSpeed 4 күн бұрын
Try $174,995.00
@alicemost5698
@alicemost5698 4 күн бұрын
@@BrinkofSpeed The dealer told me today that I can place an order on the 23rd, the base coupe starts at 280k
@BrinkofSpeed
@BrinkofSpeed 4 күн бұрын
@ Well they are 1000% wrong. If they are charging you $105,000 over sticker, then it would be $280,000. Base Coupe is $174,995
@alicemost5698
@alicemost5698 4 күн бұрын
@ I know is $174995, They said it will be limited, but no one knows, if you want to order it first, that's the price
@pravnav
@pravnav 12 күн бұрын
First 2 minutes of just pure nothing
@glennday7802
@glennday7802 12 күн бұрын
You're gonna feel silly only going 15MPH while riding a 1000+ HP car during the daily commute traffic jam.
@jbthetestgod
@jbthetestgod 11 күн бұрын
It kinda feels like that with the base model too 😂
@BizAutomation4U
@BizAutomation4U 12 күн бұрын
They should have included wet weight in that comparison grid, and HP / LB. Wouldn't look so great then.
@marcg1964
@marcg1964 12 күн бұрын
I was $5K off!
@Super8creations
@Super8creations 12 күн бұрын
You ready to put this in your garage Mike!
@azontoboynate
@azontoboynate 12 күн бұрын
I think it’s a great price. I currently have a c7 z06 and am considering putting in an order for the zr1.
@Luke-cb3ly
@Luke-cb3ly 12 күн бұрын
My guess was off by 15k lol
@regsmith7604
@regsmith7604 11 күн бұрын
Too expensive
@anthonyfunderburk7871
@anthonyfunderburk7871 11 күн бұрын
So GM thinks people will pay $250k for a corvette 😂😂😂😂not including dealer mark up to $300k
@jokerface4491
@jokerface4491 11 күн бұрын
You have many customers who pay $325,000 for a Ford Mustang GTD , which is more expensive than a Porsche 911 GT3 RS or a McLaren 750S 😂😂😂😂
@JimmyDeneus-e9k
@JimmyDeneus-e9k 12 күн бұрын
🤎🤎🤎
@howardchen3456
@howardchen3456 12 күн бұрын
About what I expected. Not bad if you can get it without the markup.
@Sergeantgrunt
@Sergeantgrunt 12 күн бұрын
I figured $150,000 with a $150,000 ADM! Looks like I'll be closer to $400K! Knowing the ZR1 prices you gotta figure that the Zora will be a minimum of $500K to start. I'm all for Corvette taking a chunk of the supercar world but this has always been the poor mans sports car. I'll keep my C6 and not even bother trying to get an E-Ray or higher level C8.
@carpathia3882
@carpathia3882 11 күн бұрын
First 1.5 minutes of the video is just marketing…. Consider me unsubscribed.
@leisurexs2844
@leisurexs2844 11 күн бұрын
Crazy, Chevy wants high end car money yet built like a Chevy. No way, that car will devaluate like it always has, still just a vette. Not comparable to any of the cars you mentioned. No one in the market for a gt3 is even thinking of a Chevy lol. They are nutts.
@a1taxiofny
@a1taxiofny 12 күн бұрын
I'm in. 🎉
@Acdetomaso
@Acdetomaso 12 күн бұрын
Damn what a bargain 😊
@JoshuaFLO86
@JoshuaFLO86 12 күн бұрын
Just buy a Z06 and slap some turbos on it
@thatguy3468
@thatguy3468 12 күн бұрын
If GM decides to build a limited number, regardless of MSRP you won’t be touching one for less than $250k If they mass produce them they will milk them till the ZORA.
@thomascardillo7099
@thomascardillo7099 12 күн бұрын
It's $10K less than I expected. I fully expected the starting price to be $185,000.
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