2025 SML 450 MX Shootout

[@WFORiffs]

For anybody that thinks this video is too short and doesn’t discuss the other bikes enough then go watch the hour long riders tell all video Swapmoto just put out. They go more in depth than any other shootout.

[@Jake_Castro55]

SHOOT OUT SZN! I swear these never get old!

[@nathandowns369]

Man that Honda looks great. So nice

[@Albertalorian]

450's and Pat Foster! Love it!

[@MotoMemeMedia]

Thank you for not posting 450 shootout....vlogs...like a certain magazine😁

[@MX-CO]

For Value the Kawasaki's are hard to beat they seem to always have the biggest discounts, often close in price to the Suzuki's after discounts

[@nathanmistler1186]

IDK, I've never seen a Kawi listed for $6k in my area.

[@MX-CO]

@nathanmistler1186 I have, not when a new model year first hits, but they will typically have big discoints by fall. Some areas are just greedy, but there have been 2024's listed for $5995 in some states

[@BLINC606]

The new Kawi is weak tho

[@kawicepticon8866]

any word of the 2025 KX SR in the making?

[@toddrobison8929]

Yeah it's supposed to be available right meow

[@toddrobison8929]

Im loving my 24 yz. I think i will get it feeling even better after getting suspension done. My only complaint is for me being short, its pretty tall. Any tips setup wise a vet c guy can do to make this thing feel even id love the advice. Thanks

[@JamesLottering]

Swap Moto live proudly sponsored by Yamaha 😂

[@Mile.HighMoto]

@@JamesLottering for real. Every test rider said the exact same thing. I feel like I got more feel for the bike than half those guys

[@Dusty65]

@@Mile.HighMoto Problem is, ALL the other reviews agree with SwapMoto.

[@motozz8258]

Good to hear , Enduro 4ts would fair similarly stock for sure . Fast traditional Enduro Gp style

[@Mile.HighMoto]

I want to see lap times from all riders on all the bikes !

[@swapmotolive.]

We’ve done lap times several times in the past. Ultimately, they are largely irrelevant. Deteriorating track conditions and rider fatigue play too large a role in the times. Unless you’re a top-level pro it’s pretty hard to stay consistent all day long.

[@dekancaine5076]

Yea but that’s part of it. Same can be said about testing. U get one bike beginning of the day and the one last part of the day. Never gonna be equal. Plus some guys ride diff styles or whatever. So it’s all took with a grain of salt. I wish they do test on race days and actually race them as a test. West coast test are gonna help guy on by the east or whatever. It’s always a hard pack gh test typically and never have I got to race a track that was hard packed like that.

[@Mile.HighMoto]

I still think it would be cool to see. Amateur or pro good lap times win races. It would be cool to see what the “test riders” are saying and feeling compared to how fast the bike is actually going around the track. You guys aren’t doing lap times while testing? Every rider picked Yamaha. Still would be good to see lap times because just because yall say the Yamaha is amazing but what are the lap times against the other bikes

[@Mile.HighMoto]

@@denniswilder3014 they rent out the track, only 5 guys ride it all day. I don’t think it’s getting THAT rough unless youre the C rider. I can understand rider fatigue but you don’t have to ride 30 min Moto on each bike to feel the difference. I can feel the difference 30 seconds in

[@rfair123]

Now build each of the top 3 to club level bike (5k budget) and re-test. I'm betting the Honda gets more votes? I expect to see the follow up video next week. Thanks

[@herbcanter2114]

"I expect to see a follow up next week he says " LOL. You should be grateful for all the work Swapmoto put into these tests .

[@rfair123]

@@herbcanter2114 LOL, That was said in jest..... And you know what they say about ASSumptions :)

[@herbcanter2114]

@@rfair123 In jest my ass , you were dead serious lol.

[@rfair123]

@@herbcanter2114 erb, I really hope you're trying to be funny. If not, go back and re-read what I wrote again. I can go back and add a smiley face at the end of that sentence if that would make you feel better, but I'm 100% positive the boys at SM know I was kidding. ( I do think my modded test is a great idea and what people really want to see though)

[@dejaynordrum4573]

i love watching cali tracks!… everytime

[@sierra8143]

we watch theses to hear a lil about all the bikes instead it was just a yamaha add

[@Dusty65]

Hell yeah! Ride it...y'know it's also the most dependable bullet-proof race bike out there!!! Too bad it's still dark blue though, Yamaha needs to go back to the Japanese factory Grabber blue color. All the other manufacturers have vivid bright colors, time to make it look LIGHT(blue) not heavy.

[@swaldrop242]

What you heard was a short summary of what their favorite bike was. Sorry that the bike you own didn't make the cut

[@SupervisorJimLahey]

@@Dusty65are you talking about the colour the old IT’s were?

[@ThatsAyz125]

@@Dusty65 they have the best color bike

[@Dusty65]

@@SupervisorJimLahey kind of, the actual Japanese Factory bikes used to be even more bright/light blue. Basically the color the new Beta's are using.

[@matthewtoes6433]

Could swampmoto do a review of the YZ 450 with a full GYTR KIT The high compression piston and the ported head AKRAPOVIC EXHAUST that's gotta be as close as your gonna get to a full factory version they run in MXGP

[@rfair123]

I have a YZ250f built exactly as you described, with a vortex tuner, running on VP U4, it's next lvl for sure. There are a lot of other things you can do the get closer to mxgp though.

[@xxlolxx3906]

@@rfair123do you know anything not way too expansive that gives power for a bike ? A 23 yz450f

[@yz-pc9xi]

Nice!

[@chongorlz9716]

When you do the 250 shootout will it include the triumph?

[@swapmotolive.]

yep!

[@roostfezza7563]

The reason I watch a shootout is to hear how the bikes compare to one another. Swapmoto decided to do a "roundtable" video, which does that. This video is a summary of the winner only. Go to the 2025 roundtable video if you want the normal shootout info. Might stop the disappointment of this vid.

[@wroomfn2414]

alex’ve put on a little bit of weight)))

[@Kawiboy]

He Sure Did 😂✌️

[@rvmx513]

Kawi looks great

[@gw4717]

No way that new Husqvarna is so good

[@jeremiesparrer5650]

Why wasn’t the beta included?

[@CodySimoncelli-of7xx]

He explained in the first minute of the video 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@rfair123]

he explained that in the video, it's a total pos so not included.

[@toddrobison8929]

It wasn't available

[@RogerT-kt3zd]

Ahhh same old Swapmoto shootout video, some things never change. How serious can you actually take one of their shootout videos when for YEARS they have been starting ever single video off with a Yamaha advert… Like yeah i wonder which bike will win the shootout this year. 🙄 It’s embarrassing, No one taking any of these shootout videos serious.

[@swapmotolive.]

Yamaha advertisement??

[@RogerT-kt3zd]

@@swapmotolive. Stop the cap immediately bro, quit playing. You’ve been doing it for years

[@Dusty65]

@@RogerT-kt3zd problem for your analogy is- EVERY single publication agree's!!! It actually is the best of the best. Best motor, best suspension & now(finally) the best all around handling. The only reason it might not be the best looking(by some) is because their still using that dark blue plastic. Yamaha really needs to change that color to the vivid bright/light blue to make it stand out more. For example, Kawasaki, Honda, Suzuki, KTM, ect...

[@evsnetwork]

I didn’t get a Yamaha advert at the start so possibly just the algorithm throwing that your way? That said, I think they should rename the video title to add “winner” given so much time was spent talking about the Yamaha being the clear winner. Lastly, I’m not surprised by the result, Yamaha have put a lot of effort into their YZF line. I bought their 2023 250 and it was unbelievable how good it was, I was immediately comfortable on it. I like and own or have owned all the major brands.

[@KoryRude]

GREAT😊

[@neilr4867]

Two of those bikes won't exist next year. KTM is cutting costs.

[@RogerT-kt3zd]

@@bartdebuonoThe fact that either of you think KTM is in “trouble” is absolutely hilarious 😭 You guys are straight up clueless.

[@bartdebuono]

@@RogerT-kt3zd - I’d dig in before jabbing. See ya 🤡

[@jake981]

Don't tell me the YZ is so good! My KTM forks are being converted to KYB at AEO right now! LOL. I'd be interested to see how the KTM group stands out if they had spring forks but it seems like a lot of the testers here are enjoying a more powerful engine.

[@stevesmith756]

Had JBI install the WP spring kit in mine. Best bike I’ve ever ridden after JB set it up

[@jake981]

@@stevesmith756 I've ridden a couple of my buddies JBI set up's and they're very impressive! He charges pretty cheap too which is even better!

[@stevesmith756]

@@jake981 he’s such a good dude. Always riding the local tracks and helps me set my bike up at anytime

[@yukonjon5964]

KTM has been so stubborn twice now in trying to flog a bad suspension idea. first it was doing away with linkage and taking two decades to prove it might work. next they cant be convinced that we don't want air forks. think how big KTM would be in market share without those two blunders!

[@RogerT-kt3zd]

@@yukonjon5964What nonsense are you even talking about, theres no way you believe what you just said 🫵🤣 KTM sell more bikes than all japanese manufacturers combined, they dominate the offroad market on every level from amateurs to pro… Japanese bikes have been playing catchup to KTM for over a decade now, look at all the parts that japanese bikes now have all thanks to KTM for pushing the industry to where it is today, KTM is the king of offroad & its not even debatable, best bikes off the showroom floor uncontested. 🍊🥇🏆💯

[@johnnysmith9916]

Yamahas?

[@mxcostadelsol3651]

Pat Foster trying to sound different than for the last 10 years

[@AlphaOffroad859]

I watch and enjoy all these videos. However it’s always the same thing. Needs to be more ridged or less ridged. It’s Never perfect lol. Then when the 2026 comes out all you hear about is the mass amount of improvements than the previous models.

[@peterb121]

The test could be better , all the bikes are great , however I will buy the Honda hands down , even if you guys bagged the Honda I will still buy it because I know it's good .

[@swapmotolive.]

The Honda is awesome!

[@shadowkick2852]

Where's Suzuki?!

[@stevesmith756]

He explained that in the video. Did you watch it?

[@rfair123]

Watch the test from 10 years ago.

[@channel1_channel]

It is a good question. Suzuki barely update their bikes (at best). I've been told Suzuki concentrates on selling commuter bikes in places like India.

[@toddrobison8929]

Did you watch the video?

[@James-xb8dd]

Only MXA does real testing, all others are a joke 😅

[@toddrobison8929]

Why? Because they picked ktm? I think vital is one of the best for shootouts

[@christophervillarreal8565]

@@toddrobison8929 its because their riders are all skill level vs just professional testers who ride more than anyone ever will and race every week make them a fraction of the realistic representation of the population of riders where MXA uses every level. The fact these inbreds are declaring the winner the most powerful bike with the least reliability is telling especially when 99% of the market doesn’t need the most powerful bike with the most snap…. Most riders need controllable smooth linear power and only pros and high level racers making up the smallest percentage of the moto population would need or want that kind of a bike and for the money the average consumer is spending what they need information on is the most reliable bike not the most powerful and snappiest…. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Benders25]

Where's the beta

[@toddrobison8929]

Did you watch the video?

[@levihealey7479]

Yamaha really pulled there wallet out this year 😂😂

[@RadioReprised]

These are Race Bikes....which one gets around the Track the fastest is a relevant question never answered by comments about how a bike ''FEELS'' to a Rider. Find a Rider who best represents ''Joe Average'' and try and make the conditions as equal as possible for Lap Times. Have Three Riders and average their times...but find a way like they did in the old tests.

[@herbcanter2114]

What about all the people who are much better than average ? If you want a bike for Joe Average buy a Suzuki or Kawasaki .

[@RadioReprised]

@@herbcanter2114 That's why I said three riders of different speed and average...it still matters which bike is quickest around a Track.

[@tcmx712]

​@herbcanter2114 because people who are above average will modify their bikes anyway so these tests are 100% for the average rider

[@sierra8143]

worst shootout i’ve ever watched hands down

[@Rambz1]

agreed.

[@rfair123]

How many have you watched? What didn't you like? Hurt your feelings that everyone liked the Yam?

[@RogerT-kt3zd]

@@rfair123Bro, they start every single video off with an advert from Yamaha, and have done for years… even in the shootout videos… Wonder what bike will win the shootout this year 🙄🧢 Its just not right reviewing bikes from other manufacturers when they start each video with a Yamaha advert, it’s super deceitful & disgraceful behaviour in all honesty

[@paulmcmullen914]

How can you compare suspension on a track with zero bumps? Other than landing off jumps and a few rollers what is there to know?

[@dabowzer]

What’s better?

[@colbyspence6079]

They all pick Kawis lol like last few times

[@michaelreid9172]

Where is the Stark? Seems like it is a legit contender for open class shootout.

[@sdb92]

Must be in the “Gay” bikes shootout…

[@motogolf1]

This was literally a Yamaha ad 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@murda2k]

Where is the Suzuki

[@shanemoto97]

10 year old bike, no need to test

[@stevesmith756]

He explained that in the video. 🙄

[@evodee3026]

discontinued forever

[@herbcanter2114]

@@evodee3026 Not discontinued but simply won't be updated or if it is updated it will just be an electric start .

[@Benders25]

Yamaha in the coning year only going to get better, duh you have the legend Et3 and cooper webb so

[@b64chalan55]

Suzuki what tf they waiting for ???

[@nathanmistler1186]

@@jpesicka492 If staying stock I can't agree anymore but if your gonna drop some cash into the bike its hard not to consider. Ya you gotta kick it still but man, when you can find them new for $6k. That savings really opens you up to doing a lot to the RM-Z that can really make it compete with these newer bikes even if you built one of the newer bikes.

[@stevesmith756]

@@nathanmistler1186they’re not that cheap for a 10 year old bike. They were dumping 24 KX450s for under 7k

[@nathanmistler1186]

@@stevesmith756 not in my area. My area is still at list prices. And based on all the negativity I hear about 23-25 kawis with the engine problems I'll take that 10yr old bike

[@stevesmith756]

@@nathanmistler1186 24 was the new model. Those are all rumors. In So Cal they were going for 6800. Still a much better bike than the RMZ

[@Dylan-180]

Blu cru

[@mareksozols]

for me its a pass when pilot says filler... ''to be honest''

[@DavidDavid-ft4ry]

No, buttery

[@Rambz1]

This was an awful review of all the bikes. Feels rushed and not much thought put in, and short in length. Very minimal comments on the other bikes and updated features. It is very disingenuous to all the other manufacturers. Like we get it Yamaha is good, but what did you like on the other bikes? Every comment is just Yamaha for the most part lol. At least have the riders rank the bikes on what they liked for each. Eric Mascho sounded like he was reading off a script, like doing an ad for Yamaha. 😂

[@swaldrop242]

I didn't read that this was a review of the bikes. I assumed it was a shootout. Maybe I missed something

[@Rambz1]

@@swaldrop242you know what I mean. There was literally no comments on other bikes? You’re telling me that not one thing stood out to you that would warrant a positive thing about all the other bikes.

[@swaldrop242]

@@Rambz1 if I was interested in hearing more detail about all of the bikes, I’d watch the video they released yesterday that has all of that information. I actually did watch it. Yesterday

[@Rambz1]

@@swaldrop242 Why would anyone be interested in learning more detail about the other bikes? They didnt even comment on them!

[@lennysgarage954]

@@swaldrop242 there's always that one person lol

[@dekancaine5076]

Out here on the east coast , I just don’t see the rave about the Yamaha. But everyone’s diff. Not rode a 25. But not enough change imo. But these guys r yamaha and Ktm fan boys.

[@Gearzmotorsports]

Feel like this is just a review of the yz450f lol not a shootout video. Terrible job reviewing all the bikes.

[@swaldrop242]

It's called a shootout. This determines what they feel is the best bike. It's not a review of the bikes

[@Rambz1]

This guy said the same thing on my comment 😂. He’s trying to defend a bad video

[@swapmotolive.]

We have in depth videos featuring every bike that follow in the coming days. Or if you want more detail check out the hour-long round table where we discuss every bike in great detail. Do a little looking around before you spout off. 😘

[@RogerT-kt3zd]

@@swapmotolive.Look at you piping up, the dishonesty you guys have been spreading for years doing these shootout videos when we all see your Yamaha adverts at the start of every video, no ones taking any of you guys serious.

[@Gearzmotorsports]

@@swapmotolive. why is there a separate video discussing what should be discussed in this video?

[@bernardoberner4]

"Uh all media is bought by Yamaha" shut up you cry baby, swallow this blue pill, again😂 You can only say that if you have ridden all 25 models, which I 100% doubt anyone who comments such stuff has done

[@BadandBoochii]

Unfortunately Yamaha still that horrible dark blue

[@lachlanhorne8664]

Air forks suck kyb all the way

[@abdullaalmehairbi4692]

Yamaha 😂😂

[@MikeyP82sf]

Yamaha. This is the way.

[@RogerT-kt3zd]

Yamahas are garbage compared to KTM, they shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence together.

[@MikeyP82sf]

@@RogerT-kt3zd bahahaha! Triggered much? How many shootouts has KTM won recently??? Oh yeah, none. 🤣

[@MikeyP82sf]

@@RogerT-kt3zd have fun on your GayTM! 🤣

[@RogerT-kt3zd]

@@MikeyP82sf Hahaha shootouts like Vital Dirt rider & Swapmoto that are all sponsored by Yamaha & play adverts at the begging of every video including shootouts, you’re absolutely clueless & its so funny, KTM best bikes on the market its not even debatable 🍊💯 KTM Once again embarrassing the competition dominating another national at Ironman winning 3 out of 4 motos, winning the overall in both the 250 & 450 class with Tom Vialle & Chase Sexton, and Aaron Plessinger once again on the podium making it another 1-2 for RedBull KTM, Complete and utter domination for the best offroad manufacturer on the planet🥇🏆🍊💯 KTM Absolutely DOMINATES the AMA 450 Pro Motocross championship with Chase Sexton winning 7 out of 11 overalls and teammate Aaron Plessinger going 1-2 in 4 of the rounds & being on the podium together 6 times, beautiful to see. 🍊🥇🏆💯 There is simply no denying that KTM has the best 250f on the planet, sweeping both east & west coast championships & the futures, incredible. 💯🏆🍊 KTM is the KING of offroad. They have won the most supercross & motocross championships out of any manufacturer in the last 20 years. and have dominated enduro 25 years in a row. DOMINANT 🍊💯 KTM MX2 World Championships: 2003 2004 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2022 2023 🔥🍊💯 KTM MXGP World Championships: 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2017 2018 2021 2023 🔥🍊💯 KTM Supercross 450 Championships: 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2021 🔥🍊💯 KTM Has won an incredible 64 out of 81 Motos this year at loretta lynns. Pure DOMINATION. this once again proves that KTM is the best Motocross & Enduro manufacturer on the planet. KINGS 🔥👑🍊🧡💯

[@wadewest6770]

You guys really rushed this video.

[@herbcanter2114]

They completed the long version last week . kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIKZZaOkZbishac

[@mattsmith817]

Bought and paid for by Yahama!!! Junk review.

[@herbcanter2114]

What are you going to do when all the other shootouts pick the same bike ?

[@RogerT-kt3zd]

@@herbcanter21143 Magazine that do shootout videos all have Yamaha adverts at the beginning of all their videos, its scummy & deceitful to all the viewers, disgusting behaviour.

[@mattsmith817]

@@herbcanter2114 don’t get me wrong I’m not knocking the Yahama. I’m knocking the review. Didn’t you notice that all these so called test pilots only talked about the Yahama? This whole review looks like an add not a shootout.

[@loni321]

Wow,,5 out of 5,, well done Yamaha 🩵

[@christophervillarreal8565]

When are you guys going to do a 100 hour no maintenance shootout see which bike is the most reliable seeing as how that’s the most important thing to the average consumer dumping over 10k on these bikes. Sick of hearing the same old shit every time and not once talk about reliability on a long term basis. Always praising the Yamaha but the piece of shit fails before 50 hours whether it’s the 250 or the 450 from timing chains to pistons to transmissions absolute trash.

[@keirhamilton5397]

Swapyamaha live