Chinese Dirt Bike vs Japanese Dirt Bike

How will a Chinese made Motocross bike compare against a fully fledged race machine? In this video we pitch the Slam SMX250 four stroke head to head against the Yamaha YZ125 2 stroke to see if a super cheap £1,800 ($2,200) dirt bike can possibly compete with one of the best 125cc MX machines in the game...
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[@joekochanski2083]

The Chinese bike did well. But where I'm at in the middle of USA, There are so many used Japanese bikes (125/250 2 strokes) for under 2k that going for a clean old bike is definitely the best bet out here. And you don't lose money when you sell it.

[@MarcSherwood]

Up here in British Columbia you can't find a parts bike (90's up two stroke) for $2000. For a decent early 2000's 250, you would be looking at $3500+. And when you buy it and look closer you realize that every bolt is a random hardware store fastner, and things are missing. Once when doing a top end job on a KX125, I found that the entire power valve system was just missing.

[@xkrazykorbin4684]

Where the hell ya getting em that cheap?

[@SRVHYK]

​@@MarcSherwood old abused bikes going for more than 3k were i live😢

[@jmabs5096]

Not to mention parts avability.... Good luck finding anything for the China bike

[@SRVHYK]

@jmabs5096 atleast were i live there's a large community for old 2 strokes

[@slambikes]

We loved watching this!! Had us on the edge of our seats! We are keen for you to keep putting the SLAM SMX 250 through its paces! Stay in touch!

[@BM205]

This was great! My son recently got his first full size bike and we did consider these. We found a 15 YZ250 that has had an amazing life and was very well taken care of and it was built almost exactly the way we wanted it. He's very very happy with it so far(about 40 hours)

[@AmeeGoMurdøçk]

how much you spend on 2nd hand Yz250, im lookin' for it

[@BM205]

@@AmeeGoMurdøçk we got it in Alabama he wanted 3800 and we got it for 3600 and he threw in some more parts and a helmet.

[@kopinhruk6398]

these Chinese engines are surprisingly reliable because they’re not heavily tuned. My younger sister's engine has already run for 400 hours, and the compression and everything else are still in perfect condition. By the way cause your races feature different classes of equipment, they're incredibly exciting to watch-some of the most thrilling races out there!!

[@tammyforbes2101]

Let us know when get to 10k hours then you can say you had a good engine!

[@MrCR500AF]

pretty much copies of older XR engines

[@pauliewalnuts240]

​@@MrCR500AFBeing xr clones is a good thing imo. but poor casting, low quality materials, and bad quality control can turn a reliable engine design into an unreliable engine. Chinese things rarely last long in my experience. If you can't get parts to repair it, it's scrap.

[@kopinhruk6398]

@@MrCR500AF Engine that was in video is some mix of Kawasaki Super Sherpa's engine and Honda CRF 230F. And it produces only 21hp!

[@slambikes]

@@pauliewalnuts240 We have a full stock of parts available in our UK Warehouse, available for next day delivery

[@motomallen]

Dammit, I was cheering Sean on even though he was piloting a chinesium cheapy. Fair play to the Slam SMX, what a fantastic value entry bike into motocross. I wonder how it would have done if mods were done to it up to the value of the YZ? Keep on keeping on Max, best motocross channel on any platform to date.

[@999lazer]

Thanks for the kind words my friend :-) We might do a second video with the Slam after doing some mods and upgrades, maybe at a real race?

[@stevenbusk539]

Would like to see a re match with say £1000 spent on the Slam. If the suspension was improved or replaced, and some basic tuning like a pipe, filter and jetting kit. A good rider should be miles faster on a YZ or other 125, but seeing a really good rider on a basic beginner bike and getting out everything it's got to give is also great fun to watch and also surprising too.

[@motomallen]

@@999lazer Another rather decent import is the GPX MOTO TSE250R Chinese 2 stroke, a hybrid DT 220 engined machine that actually kicks a bit of arse.

[@vincentmendoza3629]

@@motomallen its a dt 230 engine

[@kevinmee3501]

Great video Max, that Chinese bike did better than I expected, but probably down to Sean's riding how well it went. Nice one again Max.

[@MarcSherwood]

This SMX250 seems like a great choice for someone who is new to riding, or hits a few races per year for fun. I never can hold back the giggle when I go to a local race, and the 125cc and smaller classes have gates full of kids with more money in TI bolts than the cost of the SMX :-)

[@slambikes]

Totally agree!

[@alexfraser2508]

If it weren’t Chinese okay but it is so no

[@MarcSherwood]

@@alexfraser2508 a few decades ago, I'd agree that Chinese manufacturing was not good, but take a moment to look around you now. Almost everything you see is Chinese made, and can be of great quality. What would make you think the most populous country would be incapable of quality?

[@allysonsquires8421]

From first watching this to how good you guys are on camera is night and day. Keep up the content!

[@chox2001]

Great little bike if it brings more riders to the sport then I’m up for that. I wish there was a brand new bike for little money when I was racing.

[@slambikes]

We totally agree! We aim to provide an affordable option for people to have a go at the sport without breaking the bank

[@chrisstephens6194]

Bought my son a 2009 rmz 250 for 1800 quid. Been faultless.

[@benhagerty817]

We have a dedicated championship for these at Lincolnshire Enduro Club. They do quite well!

[@stevo184]

It wasn't terrible, I wonder what it would be like by throwing some dollars at it to improve it with suspension and power upgrades. It seemed like it was bogging down pretty bad on the low speed turns.

[@999lazer]

That might just be a future video, maybe we should take one racing? Thanks for watching as always dude!

[@slambikes]

@@999lazer Watch this space!

[@remsangachhakchhuak1738]

Do it please ​@@999lazer

[@teamgonzo9289]

You "blokes" are having way too much fun doing this!!! 👍🇱🇷 And I had a great time watching. Always love what you have in store. This one is top shelf!!! ✌️😎👍

[@svenomick5857]

Let’s be Honest that China bike would be a lot of fun for the average Punter, but for Me it would be the YZ great Video.

[@SCORPION5O]

ive seen the chinese are now doing 2 strokes now too. that would be worth a test!

[@siraff4461]

I haven't seen them. Very interested.

[@jarredschatz7544]

@@siraff4461kayo makes a 250 2 stroke

[@ziutekpoliski7886]

there's even a 300 2 stroke

[@jarredschatz7544]

@@ziutekpoliski7886 really? Didn’t know that. I know gpx makes a 300

[@ziutekpoliski7886]

@@jarredschatz7544 300 4t is now common. even there are some 450.

[@Maplicito]

I've had a few Chinese 4 stroke dirt bikes that I got used... I know one was a 2003 and one was I believe a 2009... I'm not sure about the other. Anyhow, I think these bikes are decent as long as you're honest with yourself about what they are. They make a reasonable, cheap, trail bike. They're great as a buddy bike... I don't have mine anymore, but if I had a friend who wasn't much of a rider, I would put him on one of those far before I would put him on my YZ490, IT465, RMX250, or KDX200. If the Chinese bike got wrecked, it would suck, but it wouldn't be nearly as much of a loss as the other bikes - nor is it likely to hurt the person nearly as badly as the other bikes can.

[@LTLT900]

I had an IT465 back in the 80s. What a fun bike it was too on the road.

[@Maplicito]

@@LTLT900 definitely a fun bike! I went from my late teens to my late thirties without doing any riding, and my IT465 and a KTM 525SX were the first bikes I bought when I decided to get back into bikes. My first real ride, I dumped the IT because I was getting too cocky with my wheelies... it was still running, so I went to pick it up. Having gone 15+ years without riding, my clutch instincts were way too rusty, and I grabbed the bike by the throttle, without grabbing and engaging the clutch first. You should have seen that bike spin me around in a 360 as it roared around me! I've had a lot of fun with it since, but I need to put on a new gas tank - the old one finally cracked from being old and brittle. I have the new tank, I just need to get around to putting it on.

[@michaelledoux5261]

Years ago (70's) I bought a Hodaka 125 and entered a race in Casper Wyoming. I got a decent start and was pulling a hill in 5th gear--wow I felt like I was flying until a 125 Honda blew past me like I had the brakes on. The Hodaka was only $650.00 brand new. I guess you get what you pay for. The other thing that happened was I twisted the throttle so hard the thing would stick wide open--no fun coming to a corner.

[@999lazer]

That doesn't sound fun whatsoever! You're exactly right, you get what you pay for. This bike certainly is a top end race bike, but if it can help get new people involved in the sport i think it's pretty cool. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment Michael

[@michaelledoux5261]

@@999lazer Yes sir cheap fun.

[@ddrowdy2]

Those Hodaka's were pretty good bikes until the day they unloaded the Elsinore's off the boat. The world of MX changed that day, those things were fast.

[@randoawesomemix9501]

Did you know Randy Cornell?

[@PABYLO]

I too raced in Casper in ~ ‘74!

[@markhingst5368]

This was fun too watch. Now buy a 2nd hand 4 stroke 250cc japanese mx for the same money as the 'slam' and switch riders 😊

[@axelsk6225]

La disparidad de poder es significativa. Evaluaría la YZ contra la nueva Kove MX250, donde el enfrentamiento sería más equilibrado. Excelente video, saludos desde Argentina.

[@ryeyan8613]

Its not about the bike but the skill of the rider

[@lesterstrimel4703]

Ive been riding for 25+yrs i recently rode a Chinese 2 stroke 300cc dirt bike n i was pretty amazed how good it ran n the power was decent

[@alandashchuk454]

And yet another amazing video, well done Max and Shawn that was fantastic

[@999lazer]

Thanks Alan

[@SRVHYK]

@@999lazer get a koshine

[@quentinruggles5494]

I think it's part to the fact that if you're buying a Chinese bike you can't afford to go to the track. Plus they aren't making it to 20 hrs without some bad issue. Speaking as a 17 year motorcycle mechanic.

[@bogdan1887]

Bro you live my dream

[@BigDirtDawg]

20 hours? I don’t know about that. Chinese bikes have come along way

[@BigDirtDawg]

20 hours? I don’t know about that. Chinese bikes have come along way

[@МихаилК-з2ж]

Ты ошибаешься, механик, эти моторы работают без проблем и больше 1000 часов. На одной эндуро гонке был пробит картер на 172 двигателе, и пока масло вытекало гонщик ехал, в итоге он приехал на первое место! После вскрытия мотора оказалось что уничтожено только сцепление, которое заменили, заварили картер и мотоцикл снова поехал на гонку. Китайские моторы не имеют большой мощности, имеют большой вес, но при этом они очень живучие и надежные. Они не для профи, они для новичков и хобби, и они отлично показывают себя в младших классах на гонках. Кстати, в 2021 году на Red Bull Romaniacs в классе бронза первое место занял гонщик именно на китайском мотоцикле.

[@michaelmclennan6144]

I think he's probably talking about the whole bike. I recently had to repair a YCF, no proper service manual. That had an endemic problem with the clutch gear failing to the starter shaft. Basic design issues were present, low cost wire and switches and components is another issue. You buy a bike because of reliability and maybe good for the first 20 hours. Some Chinese manufacturing is more refined but got to do research.

[@RubyS.1]

We trail ride with a guy that has some kinda Chinese twin. Drivetrain has been solid but stuff like fork seals and rear shock have died. The rims had a hilarious amount of runout new. But he still has fun. Thanks this was interesting

[@philldownes8685]

on chinese stuff best to drain the forks straigh taway from new put in decen tquality oil the seasl wont go, its their ultra thin oil they put in the cheap bikes that destroys the seals... no idea what type of oil it is , but if you put that in any bike it wil leat the seals..

[@AaronMartinCOOLVIDEO]

You should have got a SSR 300 or a Kova 250.

[@999lazer]

I looked at trying to get hold of a Kove, but as far as i'm aware I don't think they've landed here in the UK yet

[@AaronMartinCOOLVIDEO]

@@999lazer Hopefully someday You can try one out.

[@markwilde2206]

How many laps do you think it's capable of going flat out

[@SRVHYK]

​@@999lazer get a koshine

[@SRVHYK]

They have an electric start 125 smoker

[@ianhepburn9398]

Excellent pure professionals Edge of your seat race

[@999lazer]

Thanks Ian

[@ianhepburn9398]

@999lazer no problem I like seeing hard work pay off! Well done boys! Can't wait to see the next test

[@daugbret]

Good video, the race was fun to watch. I can't speak on Slam specifically, but if they're anything like the Chinese dirtbikes I've worked with/owned, I highly recommend replacing any fastener you remove. The bolts and nuts are the cheapest part of the bikes, and have a tendency to turn brittle.

[@lena19191]

I’ve got 2 thumpstars , Australian Chinese bike brand . I’ve own the Japanese enduro models over the years and thought I’ll try a little 140 big wheel simply as a trail weekend ride . An equivalent model would be a KLX140 ( note klx is a much better bike ) . Met some riders and went for a quick blast through some tight sections track and it blew me away . I averaged middle in the group with my 140 . Until we go to open trails , then the better Japanese / euro bike took over and then I was placed at the back of the pack . Pros of better end ‘ Chinese bikes ….reasonable inexpensive, actually not cheap n nasty , can be relatively reliable with maintenance , plastics and some machined aluminium parts are of a high standard , welds on the bike are good . Cons …. The ergonomics isn’t right there atm but not far off , sure some bolts are rubbish , probably it will last 5 years but I’ve got confidence in the YX 140 motor to keep going , KTM riders won’t talk to you , but that’s just jealousy. ( if I was racing I would buy a KTM , please not hate mail ) Think of the Chinese bike as a vintage car , it goes well , just got to keep a spanner to it.

[@5tr41ghtGuy]

I'm really surprised that the SMX250 stood up to Shawn's thrashing. It may not be fast, but at least it's tough.

[@999lazer]

that's what we thought, it was wide open all day and had quite a few hours on it beforehand too

[@slambikes]

@@999lazer We have given our demo bikes a tough life! The one he was racing has previously completed approx. 25 hours of enduro racing, approx 15-20 hours of mx practise, and a couple of days of oval beach races!

[@SRVHYK]

@@999lazer get a koshine

[@siraff4461]

@@slambikes Thats good to hear but on any brand new big brand bike that would be expected. Keep hammering them and the more they take the more impressive it gets. Sooner or later they will fail like anything else but when they do it gives a decent gauge of how tough long term they are. I have a feeling that looked after they may well last a very long time due to that under stressed design. Throwing people like Sean on them and just saying "go for it" certainly doesn't hurt your rep though. Top job.

[@ragnarironspear1791]

My money is of the Japanese

[@999lazer]

It's where the smart money is! ;-D Thanks for watching as always buddy

[@jeffwilliam7500]

A 20 year old flogged trushed Japanese bike or band new china.. good china any day

[@matisvanasse5905]

@@jeffwilliam7500Nah old clapped japanese and drop $500 in restoration and you're good to go.

[@SRVHYK]

​@999lazer try the 125 koshine they seem interesting ,they resemble a ktm

[@stkyfngrszmooth]

​@@999lazerYou picked the wrong Chinese bike. Everyone knows anything that's air-cooled is no faster than an eighties trail bike. Next time get the proper bike and go with something liquid-cooled.

[@justinsavs]

I bet all you'd really need is a carb change and it'd be pretty fast. Probably something like an FCR39 to get into those higher RPMs.

[@siraff4461]

Depends on engine architecture. It looks like something from an old XR or maybe a KL type thing and if so the carb won't be the big restriction - it will be the ports, valves, cam and timing. Those old, under stressed designs are great for longevity but they just can't breathe like a more modern design. The other problem is when you start messing with them they start building heat they were never designed to dissipate so you get strange things happen like bores going oval after a few hard uses and so on.

[@punishersoriano2895]

I catch alot of hate for my lil Chinese 125. But i love it. 1st bike i learned to ride. And i goes balls to the walls on that thing. Not only do i keep up with some of the bigger Japanese bikes but im able to out ride them. I use the full potential of that lil 125cc As the other guys are weak on throttle, im wide ass open. They hate that my bike cost half of what they paid and i out ride em. But i say as long as your having fun and creating good times doesnt matter what bike you have Gas up and ride👍🫵🏾

[@mikehudgens7007]

Excellent video and low price option for the entry level learning rider !!! I have ridden the Kayo MX 250 and also the SSR 300 china built bikes and both were better than I was expecting but coming off my Beta RX 300 and Ktm 450 and 250 2 stroke was not impressed but for a third of the cost and not forgetting the china bikes are entry level they are very good and more important very fun !!!! 999 what a very fun and interesting video you have put together for us - LOVE IT !!!!! Sean on the slam bike - braaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

[@joelatkinson2080]

You should test the Kove 250 Chinese bike. Great video!!!

[@999lazer]

I've been trying to get hold of a Kove since the start of the year, but I'm pretty sure they aren't imported into the UK...

[@SRVHYK]

@@999lazer get a koshine my friend

[@Nicko_92]

​@@999lazer what about the kove 450 mx bike they claim it makes 65hp and somewhere else I seen they claim it makes 71hp at 13,000rpm

[@GDe-gi1kz]

Love is top 10 dakkar rally

[@xcntryrcr42]

Great show, answered sine good answers!!

[@a1hamer]

For enyoing off road experience with a small purse this chinese bike is hard to beat . I 've been looking for second hand off road bikes around 2000€ you get nothing without throwing more money at it to get it decent. This is a new bike! Would be a blast to start a club or training sessions even for grass track

[@harrybosch5720]

Oooooo guys. Was that a solid win Max?? For sure the Yam will eat it a live. But what would have happened if Sean hadnt missed a gear! Good job it wasnt best out three. All good stuff, love these video's. Keep them comin.

[@tonymarshall9670]

I rode something like this year's ago. Mate bought one brand new second hand for $1200. It looked great could tell it was barely used. He thought he had the deal of the century. I warned him there's a reason someone rode it once and sold it straight away so cheap to get rid of it. Took it to the local tracks he rode it up and back on one flat straight dirt road barely any revs said it's good. Asked me to ride it. Well it was the worst balanced puss bucket I'd ever got on. Was so front heavy it felt worse than an old school twin spring road bike in the dirt. I rode it into some lose stones at low speed the front burrowed in so I gave it a bit to lighten the front end and drive it out and save myself. It burrowed in further with a slight lean and dumped me on the high side. Those lose stones were hardly noticeable on every other bike I rode that day. From CR 80, RM 125 with an old It 250 engine I stuffed in the cradle and a hand full of other assorted bikes we had. Even a couple cheap Chinese kids bikes we were toying around on. That cheap 250 he bought was absolutely dangerous. Soon as he got a little confident on it it threw him to and he quickly realized what I was saying to him. Every other rider that day had a go on it had similar experience's and it sat there cold the rest of the day. No one wanted any part of it. It was sold near new straight away. (to another unsuspecting novice who figured he'd got the deal of the century. ) It was an absolute death trap. He went got himself a brand new yz 125 that week. And never looked back. I can't remember the brand it was, it certainly looked the part. I could feel in the first 5 meters this thing was dangerous. Maybe these companies have put a bit more effort into weight distribution and suspension since 2010 but for me till I feel it in action it's still a big fat no. I'll stick to my yz250 2t. Least I know it soaks up the bumps, corners, weight distribution, suspension and power to drive you out of a sticky situation is on tap. I grew up riding old bikes, anything with 2 wheels and a motor was a dirt bike to us. I'd say I've ridden some of the worst handling bikes imaginable in the dirt (some were old 70s roadbikes and even posty bikes) but this thing was absolutely terrifying and unmanageable. I am hoping they get better because new bikes have ridiculous high prices for entry level and good second hand bikes are still fetching very high prices for a beginner.

[@Jrv3192]

Would love to see a review of the GPX tse 250 I think it's a Chinese copy off a KTM 250 exc 2stroke also sure there's a 300 version, great videk as always to Max keep up the great work definitely produce the best Motocross content on yt in my opinion 👌

[@999lazer]

Thanks so much for taking the time to watch and comment dude! :-) i think we could make some interesting videos with a GPX. I'll see if we can get our on hands on one for a day...

[@kyleray4952]

​@@999lazer the 300 is a much better clone engine then the 250.

[@greggory448]

You have the coolest videos. With the widest range of shootouts.

[@999lazer]

Thanks dude :-D So glad you are enjoying the channel!

[@riffjohnson22]

My income allows me to try one of these as I went and ordered a TrailMaster TM35 250 and surprisingly it was solid and amazingly built well. After a NIBBI carb swap, chain and new brake pads it held a line. My 2017 YZ250f and 2010 KTM 260sx blow every corner off the TM35, but they also cost 3x what The TM costs..if you want fun for $2000 brand new make no mistake the China bikes have reached a new level of quality..performance will need some mods, but it is a decent bike and only $2000

[@nigelliam153]

My father worked for a British bike company in the 50s. He said that when the Japanese bikes first came in they were like disposable bikes, flog them for the weekend then throw them away were there bikes were serviced and reused the following week. But it didn’t take long for the Japanese quality and reliability to improve to the point were they were dominating everything by the end of the decade.

[@jasonbaldwin6760]

I'm actually on my second Chinese bike, I have a Tao DB17 that I've ripped on so much and it still goes strong. Most recently acquired a Lifan KPX250 and it does everything I need it to do and has yet to cause me any issues. I cannot stress enough to do your research, because yes that cheap cheap bike is going to be exactly what you get, cheap in every sense of the word.

[@terrencefu4473]

I live in China and I bought a Hengjian HJ250, which was not bad at all considering the price. But, I had an engine bolt fall out, I some how sheered another engine bolt and bracket clean off, the fork seals were shot, the brakes were terrible, the chain broke twice, the battery was always dead and the foot pegs broke. There were a few other small problems I had which were cheap enough to fix but it was a bit annoying that after almost every time I rode there was something wrong. However for a seventh the price of any Japanese bike it was worth the money as it wasn’t necessarily built for MX. Would I buy another Chinese bike? No! Although they are improving the materials and technology is still way behind but they are getting better and better.

[@_WatsoBrii94_]

If and when you do another I would like you guys to swap and rerun em and let him catch you with a few sec lead 🔥🔥🔥 dope vlog tho 💪🏾💪🏾✊🏾 #TeamRideThatZuk

[@Big_Red_Wade]

if your in you 40s like me and want to do some bush trails im sure it would be a great little chicken chaser lol, but im still buying that WR450F 2022 for my 40th in August lol, You guys should look into the Australian MX450 by BRAAAP, parts are cast in China but assembled in Australia by a family business and they offer lifetime warranty too, im pretty sure they are crf450x from 2007 ish era

[@WarpMotor]

I have 1970's bikes, curious if anything of Chinese bikes will be around in 40-50 years😅

[@benburton8463]

Sean brave man hitting buttercup on that bike. Surprised sean didnt snap it in half. The table tops at that track are long!

[@999lazer]

Sean gave it everything as usual...lol

[@Carbon_restoration_mx]

Fair play to shaun for hitting the jumps on it, got to have some confidence in the build quality of the wheels and frame 👏🏽 the Chineseum items have gotten alot better over the past few years, and what fun for £1800! It looks like a massive stomp 😂

[@shaner.5]

If Sean hadn't missed that shift, I don't think he would have gotten by him, that was a fumble, but. It was still pretty close at the end. I think the roost would have kept him in loser place, 2nd. But that was a good race, nonetheless. Riding a new bike Is like nothing else you don't have to worry about so many little things. IF you actually do preventative maintenance on your bikes those motors will last so long, but cheap things get treated cheap.

[@lena19191]

100% agree , I’ve got 2 Chinese bikes . I’ve owned Japanese motocross and enduros . I brought the Chinese ones as a joke then realised “ hang on , sure they were inexpensive but cheap, no.” Sure I don’t thrash but just trail ride , 2 year since new still going strong .

[@slambikes]

We were gutted about that missed shift! But very glad it wasn't a bike issue!

[@haroldpetersen5584]

Two stroke vs 4 stroke that 2 stroke has more power by far and the price difference is off the charts! For novice rider with limited budget I'd take the 250 any day, it did surprisingly good!

[@GDe-gi1kz]

250 cc 2 stroke which brand

[@FreakNinja-FTW]

Thanks good race!

[@builtonabudget6160]

I bought one from Amazon and it's still goin strong after two years and for 1800 to me it's worth it

[@Kubotahonda5]

Poorer or Richer, definitely Japanese 💯 nothing can beats the Japanese dirt bikes 🎌🎌🎌🏍️

[@herdHistruth]

You cant compare two bikes with two different riders because of different riding skills between the two riders.

[@c4r5on88]

Now see what you can do to tune it and race it again. I.e change suspension. Carb and so on

[@999lazer]

Maybe we should do the upgrades and go to an actual race? Thanks for watching dude!

[@tonymarshall9670]

@@999lazer yeah I'd like to see that.

[@c4r5on88]

@999lazer that would be brilliant. Already looks like it certainly wouldn't come last so it would definitely be interesting

[@bobriley000444]

@@999lazer better off saving the money and put it towards a chinese model with full suspension water cooled and EFI, I think that's a better comparison, they even have 450's now

[@airdevil21]

I would still go for the Yamaha! But that Chinese slam bike did a lot better than I thought......... And for that price... Now iam wondering for how long it will keep running doing standard maintenance like air filter and oil 🤔

[@999lazer]

Oh for sure, I have the YZ every day of the week. But the Slam genuinely did surprise us! Maybe we should try and get hold of one for a long term test so we can found out the answer to that...

[@airdevil21]

@@999lazer A long term test would be great!

[@slambikes]

@@999lazer Noted! Stay in touch lets make it happen!

[@tatersgonnatate5650]

Max! We need to see you out on the track more man!

[@mattmanning9267]

Be interesting to see how well the Chinese bike holds up over a season of club racing. I think it’s plenty fast enough for a beginner.

[@999lazer]

agreed , that would be the real test for one

[@slambikes]

We've got a few SLAMS entered in the LEC Enduro Race series this season and they're holding up really well! We do appreciate that MX is another ball-game though!

[@lucascady4992]

That's like Racing an XR100 VS an CR or KX80?! One is made for trail's, the other is made for the track?! Obvious results! 👍

[@Rooonga]

You would be amazed at how much of a Japanese or Austrian bike is made in China. There are a few KTMs now that are fully built (but not assembled) in China and I’d bet the same is true for most Japanese too.

[@slambikes]

Both KTM and Yamaha are partnered with Chinese manufacturer - CFMOTO

[@colnando]

Yup, I got 3 Chinese bikes (all 125ccs) and all of them are running strong so far.

[@user-fe5bi7ul4t]

Why not have just 1 new Japanese 125cc?

[@GDe-gi1kz]

I have thump

[@motoxdudeNV-UT]

First and foremost: We're talking 2-Stroke vs. 4-Stroke in doble CC displacement... so what's even the point? It's truly not 2:1 power-wise between the two. Gotta say the Chinese bike was VERY IMPRESSIVE!

[@slambikes]

Thanks! :)

[@Justgaragenit]

Not gonna lie the Chinese bike did a lot better then I expected, especially for being air cooled with such less suspension. You should do a video after upgrading the wheels and suspension and run it back. I bet those wheels weigh a ton and rob a ton of power.

[@zantharzello2999]

I got a chinese serna rx250. I'm not motocross but I rip threw the mountains it great for Enduro Stay on top of oil,spark plug,airfilter and live life. You only got 1. Have fun

[@zantharzello2999]

And it's a 4 stroke. Still bad ass bike for the price 1600

[@999lazer]

Sounds like a fun time dude! Keep it ripping dude :-D

[@nickacelvn]

Im very impressed with the Chinese bike I certainly didn't expect it to do that well

[@alwyjahdhamy8094]

Absolutely the video was meant to impress japanese bikes than Chinese bikes. Just a question what if the person riding Chinese bike didn't have a slip in gear???

[@leedavidson7314]

The fun on them is beating proper mix bikes

[@999lazer]

Haha I'm sure there's been many confused riders being passed by Chinese machines... Thanks for watching Lee

[@jmabs5096]

I'd be concerned of when things break finding replacment parts. Jappy bikes have tons and tons of parts and aftermarket availability that make getting parts super simple

[@slambikes]

We have a full stock of parts available for next day delivery from our warehouse here in the UK 👍

[@marpag123]

It lasted a full day ,so at £1800 that's excellent value ! Who can argue at £1800 per day for a fun bike. Obviously I'll hold off my order until the £1800 bike has lasted 6 months or more, but don't let me stop you from ordering yours .

[@pembertontyres3164]

hi boys i was up at bills on thursday and think the are couple of bikes you havent tested .one of his latest 125 2 stoke maico plus the very last maico 550 works bike .food for thought.

[@Omers-bl3pi]

I wish you guys did more of a shakedown of the bike rather than just a race. Not discrediting you, but there are so many variables in a race. I want to see the shakedown

[@ZafiraSteve]

Missed a trick there. It should have been the "slam cam" Lol

[@999lazer]

Haha damn it that's brilliant!

[@Graplernapler]

I have a GPX pitbike (fse 140). It’s a great little bike, especially for the price. The only gripe is that I can’t get parts for it as easily as anything else.

[@robinbrowne5419]

Interesting. With the Yamaha costing about 4 times more at around $8,000 the Slam could be a great option for people who just want to have fun. 🙂👍

[@WarpMotor]

Should put it against the $1000 bike from video 3 weeks ago 👍

[@philbouffard715]

Kayo has a water cooled 4 stroke for motocriss, test one of tbose. Kayo has a presence in TBE US

[@michaelb.42112]

THIS is the question I was looking to be answered, and I like the comments like so many Japanese used bikes for cheap and you can sell them for what you paid is a good argument, but I like the little extra doodads Chinese bikes have like cool lights, start up lights, etc at least on CK Moto street bikes. Now, let's watch the video and see what the answer could be. EDIT : I always hear Marty McFly in my head talking to Doc, "The best stuff comes from Japan." Hmmm... time will tell.

[@anonymous-tn6ij]

On a motocross track that I could complete with my Corvette

[@glennwoods2462]

There's an avalanche of new Chinese cars and SUV's coming, so no surprise these are being made also....

[@999lazer]

Not a surprise at all, it was only a matter of time right? Thanks for watching Glenn!

[@Dirt_Bike_Dave]

Max you guys should check out a GPX brand bike....They are the best of the china made bikes by far.

[@johansomeone1948]

My first quad was a Cfmoto, and i had no problem with it. 😄

[@siraff4461]

Its not competetive because its built to a price. Getting within 10% or so is relatively easy. Getting that last bit gets harder and harder as you get closer to whats possible. Thats not to say its a bad thing. Most riders can't get within that last few % of what their bike can do anyway. Where it does fall flat is when you start racing. At that point every single advantage you can get you will take and truth is there is no reasonable way to get that thing to compete in any higher level competition. Of course though - as Sean said - its great for someone starting out who doesn't want the headache of buying someone else's problems on the second hand market. Its not going to take them to any championships anytime soon but how many beginners are vying for the lead at every meeting?

[@Ozarkprepper643]

Before you started I thought if you jumped it it would break bad weld. And when he missed a gear I thought, it did. Now how easy are the parts to obtain when needed? Purchase a $400 Chinese 200 engine for my high mile 200x It has been reliable so far. And with the better carb and supertrapp off the old 3 wheeler the performance is close (but not quite) to what it was decades ago. It's enough for when I'm in the mood to wheelie around. And the grandkids have a blast on the ranch. Although there are other toys as well. Do have a 1800 Valkyrie in the 43 Willys though. It's twice hp and torque. 🚜🤠🐂

[@SMOKEY-JAYS-DIESEL]

Lmao get a KOSHINE from China I guarantee you will have a different outcome. The KOSHINE XN125 all the way to the 320 2-stroke are badass machines!!

[@alexanderhasanov9141]

get ready to repair the gearbox😂, 100%

[@999lazer]

I will have to check them out. Thanks for watching Smokey!

[@SMOKEY-JAYS-DIESEL]

@@999lazer for sure brother you have some awesome content 🙏🔥

[@SBudde]

I love the way all of you compare the Chinese to Japanese when the Chinese haven't been in the game since the 70's-80's. Japanese have a huge advantage and that being said this is not fair comparison. Don't get me wrong, Im a Honda/Kawasaki freak for life. I have over 30 years experience with both 2stroke and 4stroke. I just think people should realize that the Chinese can and will take over.😢. Be safe and have fun!!!!

[@siraff4461]

You can't take over by copying someone elses homework so unless they start doing their own r&d - which brings with it the costs the other companies have to work with - then the best they can do is match someone else's bike a year or two later. Once the price advantage goes what are you left with?

[@deanofakesie8153]

I Have to say , you're a better rider than I thought you were 👍

[@999lazer]

thanks, I need to spend more time on the bikes and less behind the camera :)

[@TheShift1313]

It did better than i thought! What bike is a honda crf450x clone? Crm? Be cool if you got one. I think they were carb like an 07 honda clone for half the price

[@Paul-gu2lv]

A huge win for the Chinese to survive a whole lap!

[@999lazer]

Lol To be fair the Slam really did surprise us

[@slambikes]

We had no doubt!!

[@Paul-gu2lv]

@@999lazer me too. My 13 year old son just grew out of his Honda CRF 125 fb. He's not big enough for a full size bike besides 10k is a bit much to spend on a teen, but this actually seems like a good option. Just concerned about the longevity and reliability?

[@Noonenaught]

is it the same engine as the chinese 10ten 250? they claimed that was 250cc but was actually a 200

[@999lazer]

I'm not sure on that, I'm not familiar with the 10ten.... Thanks for watching though dude! :-D

[@lafemedhel]

Myth busters showed us how they could polish a turd and make it smooth and shiny. At the end of the day it was still just a turd.😂

[@dowithheart]

People don’t realize some Chinese bikes are 99% identical with KTM because they are using the same production process, and only 1/3 of the price 😂😂😂

[@vaenii5056]

Thanks to China my shoes nowadays last for one month! I hated it when they lasted for an entire year or even longer and it was hard to justify buying new shoes all the time. I hope the same happens for the dirt bike market as well.

[@soderlind81]

I liked the Chinese bike! Great sound and alot of fun, but as you said maybe not for the track in the long run.

[@504ka]

Please can you shoot the GPX200 or 250 enduro against a KDX220 and/or one of the Orange two strokes? The GPX 200 is a (KTM I think) frame with a 200cc Yamaha engine clone and the 250cc a KTM. I can provide a tired KDX for the shootout!

[@cuconatparfour665]

If you're a beginner trying to put your hands in an expensive hobby, Chinese dirt bikes are not the worst option to be honest. But if you have the money to buy some branded brands dirt bike is the best option

[@sixthguardian6914]

i have a chinese bike 11 years old. still running fine.

[@OhioEnduro]

Better carb, new pipe and some better air flow. They come a bit tame but bullet proof. Kayo is another chinese brand thats really reliable.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

I have a strong suspicion that if the Chinese bike breaks there will be no parts available for it in the USA.

[@Workerbee-zy5nx]

Good race.

[@Eric--zs6um]

Im a diehard 2 stroke fella. Fun race and lil interesting. Gd days can be had on 4 stroke i reckon.