2027 UK Carrier Group vs 2027 Chinese Carrier Group (Naval Battle 133) | DCS

[@renaissancenovice7202]

honestly I'd like to see some more Philippines/China scenarios, given what's been going on there recently.

[@grimreapers]

Did this but would like to re-visit at some point: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWfCXqaioLCjopY

[@renaissancenovice7202]

@@grimreapers yep, I've seen that one but I need more❤️

[@mphelps1013]

@@renaissancenovice7202 Like BabyCap! More!

[@Jeffrey.1978]

@@renaissancenovice7202 - as Cap's son would say, "More, more, more!"

[@TheStormpilgrim]

I don't think DCS has axes and water cannon. I suppose CH could do a "modern medieval" mod.

[@LEH-fl8ws]

Squadron Leader Davis's arc was insane!

[@grimreapers]

It was a nice arc.

[@vertigoalopolus]

In this episode, we watch as Cap literally loses his mind and reverts to word salad

[@grimreapers]

lol

[@HoangNgocThanh-qy8cq]

@@grimreapers you are very bias again china navy : a/ in reality J-35 can carry 4x PL-15 and 2x PL-10 , you alway giving J-35 only 2x PL-15 every single time . b/ because longer range china can armed 2 or even 4 type 052D/055 with all anti-ship missile hyper/super sonic to drown entire enemy fleet then return to base . c/ DCS lack time on target setting > china get heavy nerf here . last : china only have one single type 003 as strongest CV so they never gonna send just 2x 055 and 4x 052d equal as US or UK . they will send atleast 4x 055 and 8x 052d or even more . > you also refuse and never let that happen

[@epectitus4873]

​​@@HoangNgocThanh-qy8cqif we use your logic, then we nerf chinese pilot skill, assume only half gen 5 aircraft are operational and UK and US get all their carriers, not just one.

[@phoenixrising4073]

​@@HoangNgocThanh-qy8cqno one cares about China. 😙

[@PerfidiousPuffin]

@@HoangNgocThanh-qy8cq Everyone hates china navy pal. No one likes arrogant bullies with 9 dash lines 😂

[@eaches]

"Apologies, having problems with my voice ". *gets excited and narrates like a madman* As always, love your enthusiasm, Cap! And GO DAVIS!

[@dexlab7539]

Davis died…but Baby Davis pilot is coming soon 😂

[@harryspeakup8452]

Abso-bloomin-lutely CLASSIC, EPIC, FROTHING Cap commentary, must be the best ever. The sports / war commentary equivalent of Donald O'Connor doing Make 'Em Laugh in one take in Singing In The Rain. Most enjoyable, and v good to hear Cap running back on 200% power

[@ooelectronoo]

Keep up the good work Cap. I have never been this early on a grim reapers video. He'll never been this early on any channel I am subscribed to.

[@vonsmutt4254]

I guess the next step in modern Naval Warfare is to build a freighter style ship that is basically a missile truck for the water

[@tacticalswitch6153]

it isn't

[@alexcrawford6162]

Well, there’s a concept that is gaining a degree of traction called an arsenal ship. It’s basically a massive VLS with a hull around it, few dozen crew at most and not much else. Targeting information would be supplied by other vessels. The idea being that it would carry hundreds of missiles to defeat missile attacks and overwhelm enemy missile defences. The downside of the ship is that it is basically incapable of doing anything else.

[@hmr9096]

@@alexcrawford6162 Alex Hollings made a video on this concept, would recommend watching it. The concept falls short when you consider the risk of having hundreds of millions of dollars worth of VLS stored missiles on a ship that lacks the support elements onboard to support itself.

[@regarded9702]

​@@alexcrawford6162arsenal ships periodically pop up in these conversations and have done since the 80s. They have never been built for good reason. They are a good idea only on paper.

[@zaneroskoph7460]

The US has those. Four Ohio-class subs with the nuclear missile tubes replaced with 157 VLS tubes, usually filled with Tomahawks. These are to be replaced with ten Block V Virginia-class subs with 40 each as they retire the Ohios. And recall that the newest Tomahawk has anti-ship capabilities.

[@petesmith8000]

Technically the UK destroyed ALL of the Chinese aircraft as they now can't land... This should also be added to the cost when a carrier is destroyed..

[@CJM527]

Thanks for spoiling

[@Hurricayne92]

TBF that all really depends on where the battle happens. Realistically i dont think these navies are likely to clash like this considering the UK fleet is Atlantic and the Chinese fleet is Pacific.

[@paulbillson1922]

Spoiler alert next time you give the ending away 😂

[@EnglishScripter]

I would like to announce the spoiler alert.

[@alejandrocantu4652]

Technical speaking, the UK couldn't have sunk any Chinese ships without America made A35B (sealth made in the USA)

[@TimvanderVelden-dp3fs]

That spear 3+5 combo really does work amazingly well. Small, cheap missile depleting defences, only for the supersonic big boi to finish the job. Could you test out that strat against the Americans?

[@grimreapers]

Yup that's next battle!

[@sampanyofella5832]

@@grimreapers WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! My god I LOVED this video so much.

[@HoangNgocThanh-qy8cq]

@@grimreapers you are very bias again china navy : a/ in reality J-35 can carry 4x PL-15 and 2x PL-10 , you alway giving J-35 only 2x PL-15 every single time . b/ because longer range china can armed 2 or even 4 type 052D/055 with all anti-ship missile hyper/super sonic to drown entire enemy fleet then return to base . c/ DCS lack time on target setting > china get heavy nerf here . last : china only have one single type 003 as strongest CV so they never gonna send just 2x 055 and 4x 052d equal as US or UK . they will send atleast 4x 055 and 8x 052d or even more . > you also refuse and never let that happen

[@phoenixrising4073]

​@@HoangNgocThanh-qy8cqno one cares about Chai nuh. 😙

[@Fakename-ub8pw]

@@HoangNgocThanh-qy8cq Cap always gives both sides 1 carrier and 6 escort ships for a fair fight, and even if China does get their 4x 055 and 8x 052d escorts, US should get 2 carriers and 12 Arleigh Burke Flight III to equal the numbers out. And of course, China can load their ships with only anti-ship missiles, but the same strategy can be used by the US. US ships can also fire nothing but only long-range Tomahawk Block V missiles and overwhelm the Chinese defense. And don't forget, the Tomahawks even outrange the YJ21. All ships on both sides are going to be lost.

[@Utubesuperstar]

41:43 cap going full stereotype made me spit out my coffee grievously wounding a small child 😂

[@angusmason9958]

Those Brit laser cannons can't come quickly enough eh?

[@grimreapers]

Yarp

[@Alucard-gt1zf]

​@@grimreapersnarp?

[@rofkr]

Lets take a moment of silence for all the fish that lost their lives during this great battle

[@grimreapers]

Sorry about that.

[@dexlab7539]

I think those fish that died had MANPADS 😂

[@trottheblackdog]

Welcome to DCS, the newest naval warfare simulator

[@grimreapers]

lol

[@corvanphoenix]

As a flat earther, I only watch DCS naval simulations. They're clearly the most accurate! 😂

[@dragondude6984]

🤣

[@dexlab7539]

I absolutely LOVE the Naval Sims 😊😊😊

[@SuperAd1980]

YAY, more carrier battoles! GO team UK

[@willwozniak2826]

OUTSTANDING BATTLE...👉🏻

[@Axispaw1]

Great video once again! (SPOLIERS BELOW) IRL, however, I'm certain it would be an even bigger victory for the UK for the following reasons: 1. In relative terms, China's development of military technology is a recent endeavour. I'm skeptical that their military tech can rival that of Western nations, which have spent decades, if not centuries, perfecting their systems. 2. Over the past 80 years, China has had limited engagement in armed conflicts, whereas the UK possesses centuries of extensive wartime experience, having been almost continually involved in various military operations against a wide number of opponents. 3. There is no way the RN would be firing a 4-1 ratio against incoming missiles. Current procedure is 2-1. 4. The F-35s would never target missiles, only other aircraft. 5. Since all of China's missiles have been depleted, the RN would close the distance and use NSM which would have sunk at least another one or two of the Chinese vessels. 6. The Royal Navy also has Wildcat + Martlet. These missiles have a small AAM/SAM capability which I'm sure would have helped against the incoming Chinese missiles. I'd love to see a British, French, and Italian carrier group go up against a Russian and Chinese one FYI.

[@hongqinyuan7534]

As long as the British are happy, China has fifty destroyers. 39 Aegis ships. The ratio between Chinese and British destroyers is 50:6. And the 055 can be equipped with 472 missiles.

[@TheStormpilgrim]

"How does China build so much gear?" Never been to Walmart?

[@03056932]

Virtually every high end device you own is made there

[@trenthyatt247]

we need a "WORDS ARE HARD" tshirt Cap

[@Milleniumlance]

And WOW guy t-shirt

[@grimreapers]

lol

[@mphelps1013]

Wrods R Hadr

[@TheStormpilgrim]

I want "Because...reasons."

[@danhodson7187]

and a "Jezuzz Craaaast!"

[@Bawbag68]

Superb Cap. You're just the right blend of nutter and geek! And effing hilarious 😂

[@FleetDefenderRA5]

Apart from the tongue ties... I think we found the next Dan Kelly [one the all time great game announcers]. Please take that as a complement. It is a shame that you had to compensate for computer logic. But it was a VERY good sim. Enjoyed much! Thank you!

[@OG_Mac79]

@Cap I would not call it a draw, the CV survived, so re-arm and re-attack. The NSM also didnt get fired due to range, and with the Chinese out of sams essentially it becomes a turkey shoot since the enemy carrier went down they cant re-arm and attack again. So it would be a clear win for UK.

[@hughmungus2760]

if this were modelled more strategically the chinese would never close to get fired at by spear 5s and just launch their AShM volley and sail the other way. The british would never catch up to return fire.

[@joshuasenior4370]

⁠@@hughmungus2760but also the UK wouldn’t be firing 4-5 SAMs at each anti ship missile. The amount they were firing was ridiculous. I could maybe see them doing it against the hypersonics since they are such a huge threat, but all the other missiles are what Aster and sea ceptor were designed to fight and are extremely good against. They wouldn’t be spamming the same way. Also the F-35s would be targeting the chinese jets rather than the AshMs

[@Dragonman1OOO]

@@joshuasenior4370 "but also the UK wouldn’t be firing 4-5 SAMs at each anti ship missile. " Same with the Chinese!

[@HoangNgocThanh-qy8cq]

@@joshuasenior4370 a/ in reality J-35 can carry 4x PL-15 and 2x PL-10 , this channel alway bias giving J-35 only 2x PL-15 every single time . b/ china can armed 2 or even 4 type 052D/055 with all anti-ship missile hyper/super sonic . c/ DCS lack time on target setting > china get heavy nerf here . last : china only have one single type 003 as strongest CV so they never gonna send just 2x 055 and 4x 052d equal as US or UK . they will send atleast 4x 055 and 8x 052d or even more . > this channel host also refuse to let that happen

[@mrlodwick]

Thank you crew!

[@Wyomingchief]

100% a UK Victory considering with the Chinese carrier gone, all those aircraft are now ditching in the sea. Whereas the British still have two full squadrons that can now take out the rest of the Chinese ships at their Leisure with their choice of weapons pretty much. Considering that the Chinese have no Sam's left😂

[@smacman68]

The carrier is the prize, those are the Kings on the chessboard. So a huge win for the Limeys.

[@jimmaccauley]

Fun commentary. The f35s could land, refuel and rearm then carry out a second anti-shipping attack unless the chinese fleet could move to SAM cover.... not sure it's a draw?

[@grimreapers]

Fair comment.

[@dexlab7539]

CAP - Absolutely BRILLIANT commentary!! One of your BEST, well done sir!!

[@宇宙大元帅金正恩同志]

great, that's definitely what will happen.

[@Pimps-R-us]

Great video as always Cap, love the naval series. Just for future battles, the Chinese J-35 does NOT have a cannon or a pod for it ( yet ) .

[@chrisk_nfl4120]

Couple of things: Outstanding battle, these new carrier battle series are fab. Would love a one including Japan and it's "new" carriers. Also would consider that a 3-3 Type 45 -- Type 26 would be a little more suited to this fight. It seemed Britain could've used a little more Sea Ceptors and less Aster 30s Also remember, the British Type 45s still have their NSMs, which would probably do even more damage. I'd also say some of those British anti-shippers could've been made into CAP. 1 squadron of CAP feels too few, simply because they don't have as many SAMs as the Chinese do

[@markredacted8547]

I was rewatching Kortana Vietnam SAM hell when you attempted A4 strikes. I think a war game designed around Vietnam all A4's F4's etc vs Vietnam AI and crazy SAM and AA batteries. Watching those videos is a great reminder of just how difficult Vietnam era combat was, but it is also open to some absolutely crazy wargames and fun akin to DDAY ones you done ages ago. I don't really have an idea I just love watching the old school analog fights and thought if you ever run out of ideas this would be uber-chaotic 😁 Much love Cap and GR

[@grimreapers]

Wilco.

[@jordanhooper1527]

That was an excellent battle! Very evenly matched in the end

[@tobias7483]

Could you do a Naval battle between Germany, Sweden, Finnland vs Russia?

[@sampurnell463]

you've also forgotton about 1 thing. We only have 3 T45s available at one time.... You could sub in a couple extra T23s as they have some AA capability too. But this goes to show how ill equipped we are VS china. However, I totally realise that we would also be boosted by the USA and japan and S Korea too, so our own lack of AA isnt as bad but even so. why we can't have more dakka is beyond me. More money spent short term = more money saved long term, still a lesson the MOD refuses to learn

[@mazzmo77]

I could watch these all day long,wich I actually probably do😊😮

[@sir-swims-a-lot]

I love the way our man gets progressively more unhinged as the battle progresses 😂

[@howiehowdy]

It's such a UK thing to create a swarm style missile and then only produce like two hundred of them in total, with like 20 on the carrier lol.

[@clangerbasher]

You can see why EW is so important IRL.

[@Dimitris_Datseris]

46:53 I guess electronic warfare is in the simulator 😂

[@clangerbasher]

@@Dimitris_Datseris 😄

[@grimreapers]

I'd love to know more about EW and how it would affect a battle like this.

[@clangerbasher]

@@grimreapers Well EW is the corner of the RN's defence supposedly. Everything kinetic is last ditch and just in case. And that scares the willies out of me.

[@Wyomingchief]

​​@grimreapers Cap the British absolutely won this battle. Because with the Chinese carrier gone, those aircraft are all gone also. Whereas the British still have two squadrons of aircraft that could land rearm and take out the remaining Chinese ships at their leisure

[@chrisvinicombe9947]

Pwoooor that was close. Quality battle ❤

[@tjh8402]

Second thought is that if you had an admiral, once the Sams are depleted, have that carrier get behind all of the escorts so that any incoming missiles face a wall CWIS.

[@toyrunner87]

This really makes you wonder if stealth and naval aviation are a good match. You gave up speed, range and weapon capacity and you still lost a ton of them.

[@grimreapers]

Well remember that in real life, the stealths wouldn;t run in to die in dogfights, they would fire missiles then retreat.

[@jorehir]

Amazing battle! I wasn't expecting the Brits to hold their own against the Chinese

[@user-uc7kg4wp7c]

The Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier has no AWACS and electronic warfare aircraft. In fact, this situation is impossible. And the interception rate of subsonic missiles is the same as that of hypersonic missiles? There is another mistake in your simulation. You used a lot of "future weapons", but the Chinese side is static. Moreover, the F35B has insufficient range, far less than the J35. If it is in actual combat, the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier has no chance

[@jorehir]

​@@user-uc7kg4wp7c On the QE, networking F-35 would act as AWACS and EW aircraft. Not necessarily as good as dedicated platforms, but they do enjoy unparalleled technology. Fuel and combat range were simulated. Even the F-35B has plenty of range for the scenario in this simulation. Yes, the choice of futuristic weapons was wonky, but not too much. And the Chinese already have ballistic and supersonic weapons, so any near-future development won't have a big impact. The only real unfairness is that the Chinese could field a much larger fleet to escort the carrier.

[@LEH-fl8ws]

@@user-uc7kg4wp7c Also the likely high failure rate of the Chinese hypersonic missiles is not simulated. Problems on both sides.

[@user-uc7kg4wp7c]

@@jorehir There is something wrong with what you said. The F35B can indeed play a mini A WACS online, but its detection range may not be comparable to that of a professional early warning aircraft. If this thing is so easy to use, the US Navy will not continue to purchase the E2D. In addition, after the F35B turns on the radar, it means that it is also a radiation source, which will sacrifice stealth. However, the Chinese J35 does not need to turn on the radar, and can launch PL15 in the dark to attack the F35B, and even the J15T can launch PL17...

[@user-uc7kg4wp7c]

@@LEH-fl8ws In fact, the Royal Navy is not equipped with BMD interceptor missiles, and is actually helpless against the YJ21, which has a range of more than 1,000 miles.

[@Anarchy_420]

Please!🙏 Long awaited 3rd rematch(from back in the day when ships would actually get close;) U.S. Carrier Fleet VS Russian Carrier Fleet! Kuznetsov Class Carrier, Air-Air MIG-29KR's with R-77M's, Anti-Ship SU-33M's with Kinzhal's, 5 Gorshkov's, 1 Kirov, and 1 Slava! VS Ford Class Carrier, Air-Air F/A-18F's with AIM-260's, F-35C's with Mako's, 2 Arleigh Burke's, 2 Constellation's, and 2 Ticonderoga's!👍

[@Anarchy_420]

Come on lol even gave Russia an extra ship and U.S. using F-18's Air-Air to even things up😅🙏

[@homebrandrules]

excellent efforts THANKYOU

[@kenhelmers2603]

Great battle - Good setup Cap!

[@MyPapapapa-qt8cb]

Weird thing China don't want to uses J35 as large volume, they uses only 18 of them😅

[@TaskForce1949]

id love to see the Americans try to defend against the Spear 3 spam. Would be interesting to see if it would overwhelm aegis

[@andrewmoore6577]

How do you set all of this up I'm trying to do it with my friend and I'm new and he's getting back into the game

[@grimreapers]

TBH it took me years to learn this stuff.

[@MWSin1]

"How many missiles should we fire?" "How many we got?"

[@xenaguy01]

"How many missiles should we fire?" "Yes."

[@Striker427]

UK: Ahhhhh I'm out! China: I guess I'll just print out more missiles I guess >:)

[@renaissancenovice7202]

I kind of expect to see a drone aircraft carrier. A humanless flattop that just looks like one of those cliff faces full of birds nests but in this case it's quad-copter drones with missiles/guns/lasers to screen against missiles/surface drones.

[@uncletiggermclaren7592]

UK needs to get some Batman prep time before the conflict.

[@joshuabowen5617]

I don’t know. The British missiles had the same problem as the Chinese

[@grimreapers]

Roger. DCS thing.

[@ohiobrian8993]

Tatically, USN or RN won't fire everything at the carrier. Many will be fired at defending DDs to make them defend themselves.

[@sageg58]

Kola is the best map for naval battles, would be cool to see some more utilizing the unique terrain

[@grimreapers]

Agreee BUT terrain tends to mess the DCS naval missiles up hence, try to keep it simple.

[@sageg58]

@@grimreapers fair enough, if it was able to work in DCS it would be cool to see the modern day ships hiding out in the fjords like back in WW2 to see how effective it it

[@keegd30]

Do the CIWS turrets on the Type 26 and QE not work? You seemed pretty certain that the CV would have been sunk if the missiles had targeted her (one more reason why QE needs her own short range missile system).

[@Lyndonberg_Gaming]

2:43 Cap been wondering if all the updates especially the ai one, if you group the ships in one naval group will they deconflict and work as one unit so they don’t waste defensive assets when taking on incoming air assets, stressing haven’t watched this vid yet at time of posting on set up end of uk

[@grimreapers]

They tend to fire less BUT it's VERY risky as they tend not to fire enough missiles then, and hypersonics get through easily. difficult balance to strike.

[@Lyndonberg_Gaming]

@@grimreapers ah I see the small dilemma that the deconfliction won’t integrate as irl

[@sulyokpeter3941]

Absolutely beautiful!!! :D It was a draw in theory. Both China and UK would lost its carrier... However... In real life, there is so many different things can happen. Ships can fire countermeasures, which obviously helps a lot. Ships can target more of the missiles and probably use less missiles for them, iam not sure vs the hypersonics, CSGs have at least 1 attack submarine, which can sink the carrier easily. Thats why ASW comes handy. So many things could happen + UK will have a laser weapons installed on their ships by 2027. Called "DragonFire". Iam not sure you can model that ingame. xD But that would be awesome. It can fire "unlimited" times and can take down missiles too, it has similar range to the CWIS maybe a bit more(classified btw but iam assuming, because MoD states it is for close range).

[@jamesworkshop9325]

That was great but I'm pretty sure the sea ceptors (I don't know about the asters) are designed so that fewer are fired per anti-ship missile

[@马史狗]

It's so funny, it's just a game. The Chinese will launch the YJ-18 first and then the YJ21 and they will arrive at the same time. Only a fool would fire in order

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

I really wonder what dogfights will look like when planes that are capable of firing missiles backwards and sideways will be actually able to do that. Also, with the advent of missiles having multiple RCS style thrusters for added agility, could those be perhaps used differently, almost like those in the Expanse space battles? Of course there's atmosphere to content with, but a still. Theoretically, a missile could be dropped by a pursued fighter, turned around by rcs, then fire main thrusters to fly head-on at the pursuing aircraft without needing to bend.

[@mr.starks]

Brilliant showings!!

[@Davros-vi4qg]

6 minutes in, and thinking the UK is going to be decorating the Norwegian Sea with hulks 🥹

[@oliverodell3105]

Curious are the naval radars that good to pick up such a small sea skimming missile ? Or is it the AWACS support?

[@grimreapers]

In real life they are *probably* not this good. We are trying to simulate a massive AEGIS-type defence including ships+AWACS+5th gen planes.

[@smash79]

It's a bit sad when you're alone on videos :C

[@trenthyatt247]

uk would never fight china without US help. There our special friend!!!

[@willscarlet7625]

They are? 🤡

[@Hhhh22222-w]

No duh, this is a game, China invading the UK by sea is also pratically impossible lol

[@trenthyatt247]

@@Hhhh22222-w its a game. i had no idea. OMG. its almost like i was just making a quip. lol🙃

[@trenthyatt247]

@@willscarlet7625 well....

[@tamkin007]

When it's beneficial

[@olivere5497]

So... if the plane surrenders, is that a recognised rule of law?

[@grimreapers]

Sure

[@olivere5497]

@@grimreapers is it written down? 'Article 84c: if you are feeling chicken flash em' your fuel pipe!'

[@Kiyodio]

Its battles like this that make me think of the futility of a full blown war. We run out of missiles so quickly and of course we have a finite supply of these missiles. As far as im aware it takes a lot of time and effort to make missiles, planes and ships. So once we lose these things its either we get thrown back to cold war days or we're just left out in the open defenceless.. surely this is the only reason stopping any country from actually pushing the red button, the amount of economic loss that can be taken from simply losing a single ship is Ludacris..

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

There's always other assets. Battle is done, war continues. Cost are immense, but that didn't stop WW1 and WW2 from happening.

[@Kiyodio]

@@BoraHorzaGobuchul true..

[@jameshunter2993]

What a geek, not mentioned that a CAG may have 2 ssns carrying ASHP missiles heavyweight torpedos and advanced Intel capability.

[@mebrit6130]

If it's possible it would be fun to see a Japanese naval task group vs a Chinese or Russian task group.

[@Blurry-bro]

Call it a win for the Brits. DCS silliness is part of every battle.

[@Anarchy_420]

No I would not count this as a draw, as you say it's not scripted, and it's not your fault Chinese crap does what it does* lol The UK just barely wins!👍 Btw I believe the anti climactic batch was going for a dead ship ;)

[@dinosutra]

Do this Battle: "What if UK gives its retired Panavia Tornado to Ukraine ???"

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

Well, Argentina did cough up a few of super etendards... A veritable zoo of planes it will make for UA, a logistics and training nightmare "Here, take our old stuff we don't need anymore"

[@FleetDefenderRA5]

I think the big issue is the swing wing which might be a maintenance problem for the Ukrainians.

[@jugganaut33]

There are no retired tornados. The fleet was torn apart for spares until there were none to keep the fleet going. Tornado is dead. Scrapped. There’s no reviving it or making them air worthy for Ukraine. The last flight hours were used on ISIS

[@olivere5497]

You'd see antique shops in Dorset being turned upside down for spare parts. I was in one last week, they had parts of tornados bent into fancy office furniture

[@olivere5497]

​@@BoraHorzaGobuchulMIlais was too lazy to take them down the rubbish dump.

[@johnhodgson4216]

The final few missiles fired by the Chinese, well it's really hard to actually sink a ship, and while the ship was 'destroyed' watertight seals would have created a floating wreck. and those missile's radars would pick up the radar reflection and go for the broken ship or go for the carrier. It's just luck they went to the floating wreck. (I wonder if that's why DCS goes for 'sunk ships' There are pics of destroyers and cruisers with gaping holes from missile hits. the exception is the 'quick sink' glide bomb. which explodes below the keel of the ship , removing the supporting water and the ship just breaks apart and sinks. the US Navy test of the 'quick sink' shocked the observers of the testing on that glide bomb.

[@futureaerospace7229]

Video Idea: New Arleigh Burke Flight III against historical navel battles Since they now actually have proper anti-ship missiles, I'm curious to see how much better they do E.G 1xArleigh Burke III DDG at Midway

[@tgsgardenmaintenance4627]

In reality, the Chinese would have more ships, more missiles, and the RN would be throwing conkers due to budget cuts!😂

[@gunshipzeroone3546]

May I ask, please, in real life, does the type 45 destroyers carry extra missiles..

[@grimreapers]

Not as far as I know.

[@LEH-fl8ws]

In 2027, the T45 will carry 48 Aster-30s, and 24 CAMMs.

[@johnsilver9338]

Wonder if US can do the same thing of first using SDB II (StormBreaker) to expend Chinese SAM then follow up with MAKO or LRASM or even Tomahawk?

[@mgage-bi6me]

If the Chinese jets don't have at least 1 jet fail to mechanical issues, the sim can't be accurate!!!🤣🤣🤣

[@Just_A_Random_Desk]

underestimating the enemy is a mistake you can't make twice

[@grimreapers]

oof

[@AmirShafeek]

Never underestimate the Chinese and this is coming from an American. To underestimate your enemy is the first step to losing.

[@tanksoldier]

The Chinese turned a half built rusting Russian hulk into a reasonable facsimile of a functional light carrier. They went from 0 carriers to 3 in about 10 years. Do not underestimate them.

[@hughmungus2760]

@@tanksoldier China also cranked out a carrier sized LHD with catapults in the span of 2 years without anyone noticing until the deck was built.

[@Nealetony]

Additional idea if you need a pocket idea. Chinese vs Russian premise china decided that it wants to absorb outer Manchuria and a large swath of Siberia(the reclaim the extended siberia scenario)

[@Jeffrey.1978]

@grimreapers - @Cap "More, more, more!" 😄 Keep up the Naval battles! Since you already did a "How Many Chinese DF-26B Ballistic Missiles Could Beat A US Carrier Group? (WarGames 207) | DCS" video, can you do the same thing again, except this time do it with a 2027 UK Carrier Group??

[@grimreapers]

OK

[@trev8591]

Epic, Cap! BZ.

[@Stinger522]

I think the chinese could've won this if they had a few more ships which would give them a few more magazines to shoot missiles from.

[@Darkfuturist]

Cap England can't even beat Denmark.

[@grimreapers]

lol yes indeed...

[@matsv201]

​@@grimreapersim pretty sure England lossed the war of 800 somethint against denmark ;)

[@maofw309]

Why doesn’t China first launch the YJ-18 and then the YJ-21, because the YJ-21 is faster than the YJ-18, which would allow both missiles to attack simultaneously, making it more difficult to defend against.

[@tanksoldier]

Your UK vs Russia battle made me wonder if the UK can even sustain this kind of war. They don’t have replacement F35s of their own and I just don’t think the UK economy can sustain multiple $billion battles.

[@grimreapers]

This battle pretty much uses our entire fighting force. US could run this battle 20 times and still have plenty of air force.

[@EubanksDVDs]

funniest commentary ever :D

[@donromantiko8616]

Why are the F-35s not reloading in the carrier for 2nd and 3rd attacks?

[@advanceaustralia4861]

The game software can’t do rearm and refuel. So in effect the Chinese would have been smashed by 2nd round attacks from F35B.

[@furiousscotsman2916]

i would still call it a UK win as in real life there is no way the UK is firing a 4-1 ratio at EVERY incoming missile when doctrine calls for a 2-1 ratio.

[@joshuasenior4370]

And there is no way the A2A jets are targeting the Antiship missiles rather than the aircraft firing them.

[@a.french.guy4]

tbh honnest it feels more like a chinese victory because at the end they would have take the CV and as you said UK wasnt able to defend themselves anymore . so the result would have been 1 CV loose for the chinese but the UK would have lost 2 fregate and 1 CV . so we can say more point for china this time .

[@cameronmacaulay7942]

would love to see a full american carrier fleet vs a full chinese/russia/uk carrier fleet. like 11 carrier groups vs 3/1/2 (6) carrier groups with their respective fleet size and configuration.

[@cameronmacaulay7942]

also, a generational fleet fight, would be great to see ww2,1970/80/90, modern, 2030/40 versions of america/china/russia/britain all fighting it out, can do 48 videos on that if my maths is right (probably not)

[@kuangchen526]

Bro, the computer won't be able to handle that, it will just froze

[@svensvensson2724]

It's impossible for military leadership to be so daft as to waste their best offense against the opponents best defense. But it happened again in this game, just so UK can win.

[@joshuasenior4370]

I don’t know. Those hypersonics far outrange anything else. It would be silly not to press that advantage and engage the enemy as far out as you can

[@svensvensson2724]

@@joshuasenior4370 Letting your enemy shoot down your most potent weapons with ease would get a commander court martialed.

[@JohnHill-qo3hb]

Cap, you do get a bit excited, don't you...

[@grimreapers]

Maybeee...

[@chrisstopher2277]

Oh man I'm not sure if your Chinese audience will be happy. I'm a happy viewer and thats all that matters.

[@hughmungus2760]

everything worked sorta, no cheaty weapons that couldn't be intercepted and no game breaking bugs that threw the match.

[@grimreapers]

It's taken a few years but we've pretty much mastered the big bugs. Just a few small ones that creep in still.

[@Chris.Davies]

Knowing what we know about China, Tofu Dreg manufacturing, and Chinese war games, we can be confident that China will drastically underperform, and suffer multiple failures of various systems and processes throughout the entire engagement. And we also know Taiwan's F-16s can EASILY lock up the J-20 at long range, due to the recent Chinese war games off the Taiwanese coast.

[@bardslee]

are you sure it was tea you where drinking?

[@jamison884]

I'm commenting before the battle is even over, in an effort to show less bias. Yes, you're correct Cap, DCS is firing far too many UK SAMs for some reason. In one of the smaller YJ waves, I saw 6 incoming missiles and at minimum, 18 UK SAMs were fired all before the fire SAM engaged. I believe even the conservative SAM systems in modern militaries will only engage with two SAMs per incoming threat until seeing what the first intercept result is. That's just such a massive factor, as realistically you're guaranteeing between 100 to 150% of wasted SAMs per what appears to be an average PK of 1.5 missiles rather than 3.

[@jamison884]

Also, maybe I can try to do some research, but it feels like the near-future UK offensive options are really lacking. The overall UK force feels like it was designed to merely supplement allied forces rather than ever operate on its own. I guess this may be realistic, but I'm hoping it's not the truth.

[@tryannosaur]

@@jamison884SPEAR 5 is expected to be able to be air-launched as well so we might even see SPEAR 5 launched from F-35Bs. That would greatly improve the lethality of British F-35s.

[@hughmungus2760]

@@tryannosaur they're be Far too big to fit inside the F35 and Im not sure you'd be able to take off from a carrier without a catapult with them

[@grimreapers]

DCS firing is based on "threat". It fires missiles based on threat. Problem is, the threat code is hidden so we have no way to predict it.

[@henrygibson9613]

Could you make the spear 3s go for the Chinese escorts so any excess take out them and then Spear 5 the carrier?

[@grimreapers]

I can yes.

[@tangles01]

Those last Chinese missiles are no different to the final salvo of Spear 5's that hit the dead carrier

[@bofanwang8886]

Wanna see UK vs US. 🥹

[@RobbyQuarantined]

The video that broke CAP

[@grimreapers]

lol