212 - Who is Victim Number 5?

[@rhondamcewananderson3968]

I'm a long time fan, always impressed with your show ❤️

[@Nunyabidnuz]

Late 80s early 90s i lived in st.louis, it was bad, so many mothers of small kids on crack......stlouis changed....along with family unit, there were a couple serial killers too....i refuse to return even for a visit anymore......

[@onyxxxyno]

The police lost their records, but what about the cops who investigated? Wouldn't they remember something, or have notes?

[@anneloving8405]

I've noticed with a lot of these offenders is that early in their "careers"they got a ridiculously short sentence for a crime (usually violent)they committed...I'm sure it probably made them feel untouchable by LE

[@sarah_loves_mittens]

Thank you for this upload. I've been reading the riverfront times article covering this story but it seems like every time I sit down so open it back up something happens and I have to put it on the back burner. But when I'm done watching your video I'm going to make sure I have time to finish reading it because I feel when you cover St Louis cases your videos and the Riverfront times articles complement each other well. Imo, neither of you have any kind of bias or agenda other than stating the facts and seeking Justice. Given the atmosphere and culture of current mass media your content is a breath of fresh air, per se. Once again, this St. Louisian thanks you for this video!!!🙏💛

[@NeurodivergentMamaBear]

I’ve been really enjoying your podcast style. Thanks for a story I hadn’t heard yet. Do you take submissions? I’m trying to help a friend from high school get more eyes on her missing dad’s case.

[@NeurodivergentMamaBear]

Ope. Just heard your contact information in the podcast. Should’ve been patient. 😆

[@RepentfollowJesus]

Lordan Arts does.

[@NeurodivergentMamaBear]

@@RepentfollowJesus Thank you so much!

[@neuralmute]

@@NeurodivergentMamaBear I second the recommendation for Lordan Arts. John Lordan gets really involved with the families of missing people and victims of crime, and he's helped out a lot of people. I hope he can help you too!

[@NeurodivergentMamaBear]

@@neuralmute thanks! I just subscribed!

[@redmouse1967]

#5 could be a runaway or someone passing through and not from the area. If someone found and took the barrel and later discovered the body, they may have buried it thinking they would be implicated.

[@Papasmokes875]

Im new to this podcast and totally addicted. 😊

[@JuliePerez-dy2iy]

Me too

[@bri6064]

“What if she and the barrel were mistaken for trash and got picked up by a garbage truck?” was one of my first thoughts when hearing about the confusion surrounding the victim’s case. I hope for justice’s sake that’s not the case, though; if she got dumped in a landfill that long ago, the chances of recovery are slim to none…

[@elizabethmcglothlin5406]

Agreed, since two victims were in trash barrels.

[@laurabuehler]

I WORKED ON CHEROKEE STREET IN THE EARLY 90'S! I wonder if the 2 suspects that were not involved with these killings are also suspects as the I-70 Killer? The two sets of serial killing are roughly during the same time frame. I'm thinking that the truck driver could be the I-70 Killer. Oddly enough, I was the manager of a shoe store around that time-frame...on Cherokee Street. I vaguely remember hearing about a serial killer targeting sex workers at the time, and I was well aware of the reputation of Cherokee Street, although I never heard it called, "The Stroll." I don't think the serial killer was known locally as "The Package Killer," but it may just be that I wasn't focused on that sort of thing back then. Honestly, looking back, I should have been more careful when I was working in the neighborhood. I thought that since I wasn't a sex worker I didn't have anything to worry about. The truth is that the area was very dangerous with robberies, thefts and so forth. I did have my car broken into & some kids had tried unsuccessfully to steal my radio, but that was the worst thing that happened to me while working in that location. Luckily I was only at that store for about 9-10 months before I got promoted to a better location.

[@sarah_loves_mittens]

I too have never heard it called the stroll other than in media like the Post-Dispatch. We always refer to that part of the South side as Cherokee st. Like, the south side by Cherokee. (Since you spent time on the Southside you know how it goes, there's like the Southside Cherokee, State Street, Bevo, Dogtown... Lol. But literally like the posters patches the only place I have read where they call it the stroll which is so weird to me because it's the same Louis Post-Dispatch you think they would use the same lingo as the locals do. Also the first time I heard about this package killer I was like woha what??? a serial killer in St Louis that I didn't know about?! Until I heard his name and then I was like when did he get named the package killer and who came up with that? Once again I chalk that up to mainstream media most likely the Post-Dispatch. There were a handful of active serial killers in the st. Louis and like Bi-State area around that time. Remember the brothers that traveled around Missouri for the civil war reenactments? I personally feel that they are responsible for the adoption and murder of many women in Missouri some of which have cases in the unsolved status and some of which our Jane Doe's or haven't even been reported missing because nobody was looking for them. I feel that there's some solved cases that should actually be linked to them as well. It was good to see a fellow st. Louisian in the comments. (Though I have to admit I transplanted to Jefferson County in the early 2000s but I grew up in South County, even went to high school my freshman year at vap back when it was at natural Bridge and grand.) You said that you were on Cherokee did you also stay in the South side like and are you currently still in the area?

[@laurabuehler]

I'm not familiar with the civil war reenactors. I'll have to Google them. I've only heard about the I-70 Killer and this one. It wouldn't surprise me if there were others. There's are probably some murders that were never recognized as being linked.

[@sarah_loves_mittens]

@@laurabuehler I will do my best to try to get their names. I was actually doing that when I got distracted him realize that two days ago trace evidence covered the case that happened like a mile and a half away from my house so I might simultaneously catching up with that but BRB let me try to find those names real quick before something shiny distract me LOL

[@sarah_loves_mittens]

@@laurabuehler Larry and Gary Hall.

[@laurabuehler]

@@sarah_loves_mittens those names sound vaguely familiar

[@cadillacdeville5828]

You do phenomenal work

[@kalebcropp1927]

I love this podcast

[@jdr9419]

I think he is sending police on a wild goose chase. He is laughing up his sadistic psychopathic sleeve about this.

[@jeffreyt76]

Please do a study on Dana Ireland who was murdered in Hawaii. There’s been recent new evidence and progress after 30 yrs cold. The case is so confusing, I know you’d be able to help clear it up.

[@RepentfollowJesus]

This gripes me. Hookers are human beings too. They should be looked into by police when missing too. They could straighten up their lives and help be a good part of society with some help.

[@RileyCullen1]

I know! This angers me as well. I call them ‘ladies of the night’ b/c it’s more respectful. Whenever the police/media say ‘sex worker’ or ‘addict’, etc. people stop caring or news stops, not looked into it as much. Unless there’s a serial killer, that’s when the friggin news will report on it. So sad.

[@redmouse1967]

You need to write a book

[@christinegatto7426]

I am so glad I never took any illegal drugs., never had to live this disgusting lifestyle. Can't read any more than 25 minutes of this.

[@Agencetourix]

Most people who do drugs, don't end up like this. That's like saying anyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic.

[@barbaranorman2579]

Check morges during that time frame local to the car wash for unclaimed Jane Does and then check local cemeteries for said Jane Does. It's a long shot but it's worth a shot

[@sarah_loves_mittens]

Unfortunately the Bi-State area in general including Missouri and Illinois are really bad about doing maintenance and just general upkeep regarding their cemeteries. There is a case of a missing woman that far from where I'm at now and they've pretty much put together that she was a Jane Doe found across the river in Illinois but when they went to exhume her grave they couldn't find her. They still can't find her and it's going on a handful of years now since they attempted to exhume her. This is not the first time something like that has happened. So unfortunately I don't think there'd be much luck with cemeteries. But definitely check out the doe project. It is a database of John and Jane Doe's throughout the United States and growing to be international and for Missouri I think it goes back I want to say to like at least the 1950s. That's what I think you'd have the best luck.

[@barbaranorman2579]

@Crazy Sarah in the trailerhood such a shame these cemeteries didn't keep proper records. The Doe network and Namus should definitely be checked, although I think Genetic Genealogy is the best way to go. I can't help wonder about the deliberate destruction of possible identifiers (teeth & hands) 👍

[@RepentfollowJesus]

He could just be messing with them. If there was a body in a barrel by a car wash someone would have noticed surely.

[@tessaducek5601]

Agree.

[@tessfabled4115]

Again, if the body was never found...

[@renrut_7389]

Weren’t one of the bodies discovered after someone picked up the box it was in & realized after what was in it? Is it possible that happened w. The barrel of victim #5? Maybe someone wanted the barrel.. realized what was inside, & dumped the body elsewhere & it was never found. I mean.. it sounds gruesome & horrible to imagine someone going thru that just for a steel barrel, but I just thought I’d put it out there. Would the barrel have been worth anything @ a scrap yard? Maybe the person was already doing illegal things, addicted to drugs, or just desperate for the money? Just a thought that popped in my head. I hope whatever the case, they’re able to either prove he’s lying, or find victim #5 so she can get her identity back.

[@rhondasharpe9112]

Coming from Defense diary. Heard great things about you.

[@bluekitten1032]

How can Robin Mihan be born in 1991..should be 1971?

[@phoenixflowers5502]

I mean maybe the car wash owner found the body & didn’t want his business to get any bad publicity so moved the body elsewhere?

[@phoenixflowers5502]

I mean the police would probably also close down the car wash for the day looking for evidence which would cause them to lose a lot of business and money so I can see why they might want to move the body

[@andreaturnquist3345]

Thanks!

[@fundude4566]

Angela Hammond possibly?

[@sandypergram3656]

I thought this exact same thing. If he was hauling barrels around, then he had to have a truck or access to a truck.. I wonder if it was a green truck with some kind of a fish in the back window...

[@TheBlueThird]

St. Louis is over 200 miles from Clinton, MO. I'm kinda thinking maybe not.

[@LuisaD93]

Thanks! 😊

[@sarah_loves_mittens]

Steven, I'm sorry, but I have to correct you. Robyn was born in 1971, not 1991.

[@RepentfollowJesus]

Same thing happened with another serial killer in Texas.

[@phlegmatic3]

The really deep question ❓ is why the system gave him pass after pass..... REALLY NO EXCUSE BUT THERE WAS A REASON THEY ALWAYS SEEMED TO HESITATE....sex workers really were playing with fire back then. No cell phones. Is a life saver....they can now build clients and link up on the roof.

[@SL.D]

Wow! A bunch of new names on the 17$ patreon tier! That's amazing, Steven!

[@mrsbird2952]

Maybe the murder was attributed to another murderer?

[@GrAPeBombZ]

Do Craig frears case!! Get this story out there!

[@avnrulz8587]

10:20 1971, not 1991.

[@zekeekrkrkr__2320]

Hi Steven, could you do amy Bradley?

[@rockstarofredondo]

Didn’t he already?

[@RileyCullen1]

He has

[@zekeekrkrkr__2320]

@@RileyCullen1 Where

[@zekeekrkrkr__2320]

@@rockstarofredondo He did?! Can I have the link?

[@anneloving8405]

Look thru his videos it's there

[@jerrymarbury9365]

Messed up stuff that kinda disordered lifestyle is hell for the children and other family members.Its not a matter of providing for "the kids",it's a disaster for all concerned

[@teenmomAT14toRN]

Thx

[@chab1rd155]

The upper left photo looks like a little girl!!!

[@RepentfollowJesus]

I wish they would have crimecon in Texas once. In Dallas. Or even Texarkana so the 4 state region could easily get to it. Or maybe little Rock Arkansas so many states could drive over. Its a nice area. Its nicer and cheaper than Dallas.

[@RileyCullen1]

And Boston so us snow people can attend

[@susanh1292]

I'd like it to be somewhere that doesn't have such hot weather!

[@NatBKyiv]

Lazy police 🤬

[@mrs.hancock4124]

Oh spare me the race hustle. This is child’s play compared to the torture our older brothers put us through!

[@billphilips8522]

showing random pictures of people without any reference during the video, so that we are not sure who they are or who you are talking about, makes for a lousy video.

[@FirstLast-yq9wl]

😊

[@RawheadRex-co2gd]

This is kind of interesting. I’m surprised. You’re videos usually half suck but this one’s okay.

[@mpar777]

First!(Again) he he.

[@NeverendingSaga]

Now support the channel and watch.

[@phonewithoutquestion80]

There's a railroad track for you to sleep on.

[@LuisaD93]

Nobody really cares. Jus sayn 🤷‍♀️

[@BitcoinPitbull]

@@phonewithoutquestion80 omg, I loved this comment. I'm going to use it if that's OK. 🤣🤙

[@mrs.hancock4124]

Oh spare me the race hustle. This is child’s play compared to the torture our older brothers put us through!