22 Creedmoor: Stiller Predator Build (End-to-End) & Mystery Solved

[@tlt1234]

Just did the paperwork on a Defiance Action/Proof barreled (1:7) combo. Gotta decide on a stock, bottom metal and trigger to finish it.

[@claytonlillywhite9072]

I love Pete! Seems like a great guy. Looks like a great meet up👍🏻

[@bobfugazy4916]

Beautiful work Gavin. I really want a 22 Creedmoor but it's just one more gun to look after. I call it a "lead laser". It's perfection. Peter is terrific, is 2 mile shoot was really nice to watch. Keep going!

[@brucegillespie654]

Stiller make beautiful running actions . I only have two guns that I regret not buying off a friend his .260 Ackley in a stiller action. The other was a beautiful switch barrel on a Bat action benchrest gun . Love the builds you do and to hang with Peter what can be said. Thanks to you both for all you share !

[@txpredatorhunting]

Keep it clean especially running can, carbon ring pretty real on 22 creed. 4350 is easy button on powder . 75 eldm performs very well in the 1:8 . 75 is magic spot on 1:8 We tested both Hornady offerings in several 22 creeds , several twist rates and much faster. Poor results.

[@vettepicking]

I think if anyone were to pay $1k for a custom action it should have integrated scope rail and recoil lug ......just makes them more accurate. Or just get a oem rem700 for cheaper

[@gconnoyer]

What if you want to swap base height or cant?

[@vettepicking]

@@gconnoyer who cares . Base height doesnt make a rifle shoot better/worse, but a loose screw in a pic rail will.....

[@jtatro]

​@@gconnoyer Then swap the rings for height. I can't imagine anyone buying a $1k+ stripped action, and not mounting a scope that can accommodate a 10/20 MOA rail.

[@Deerslayer1912]

You’re gonna spend the difference truing your 700 and threading the bolt handle then you’ll still have an action with out of square base mounting holes

[@gconnoyer]

@@vettepicking that sounds like user error not being able to torque a fastener correctly or use loctite.

[@SpeedBump613]

Reach out to Jamie Dodson at Wolf Precision for some advice on 22CM load data. He builds customs using Bat actions and pretty sure all of his school rifles are 22CMs. Super accurate and well over 2500 rd barrel life, if I remember our correctly.

[@marku123]

He is going to be building one for me

[@DanL243]

H4350 and Reloder 16 have done well for me with 75eldm and 69gr TMK in 1-8 twist. Mine are also chambered with a Manson reamer. Really looking forward to seeing your load development and the lightweight build.

[@andrewmckee1156]

I’m building a 22 creedmoor with Defiance classic action, Shilen SS select match 24 inch - bull barrel 1 - 7.5 twist, Triggertech special, Hawking M5 DBM, new AG Composite fiberglass stock, Nightforce optics, Area 419 match scope rings. Load development will be 69 - 85.5 grain projectiles to see what it likes. Just waiting for it to not be 100 degrees in Texas. Summer can’t come to an end fast enough.

[@dennismassey2128]

I ordered a Shilen barrel and it came with a 6.75 twist to shoot heavier bullets. You might want to explore that.

[@codypavao6358]

What twist rate would you do for a 16” barrel? I have a 1:9twist 18” barrel and it shoots 65gr SBT i want to do another build but short barrel. Thanks for any info you kick ass!

[@nicg9599]

Almost took out Pete's elbow with that high 5.

[@musicmanace0]

awesome builds & great information. Ever think of doing a series on QuickLoad software.

[@Archfile375]

Yeah, that B&N trigger is another world, the Jewell benchrest and TT top end triggers etc are all great, but that B&N is like nothing else.

[@trevorteague8430]

I like the 69gr TMK in my 223 wylde build with 1:8 twist. Stacks in the same hole at 100 yards and is truly devastating on chucks, jackrabbits, svss coyotes.

[@joeytheratbastard1873]

I have a Wolf Precision rifle with a Bat Tactical Elite action on a Krieger 24” 7.5 tw barrel and shot 73 gn Eld M at 3250 and 88 Eld M’ at 3050 and never had a problem. Both bullets shot lights out in have gotten 13.6 SD’s with a 52 shots with the 73’s. Got 1451 rounds down it. I do coat my bullets with Tubbs H2N. Makes the barrel easier to clean as well. Will be working on a load for the 62 gn VT next.

[@marku123]

Im having wolf Precision build mine

[@joeytheratbastard1873]

Jaimie builds an outstanding gun, and the ACE is the best way to go if you reload.

[@buckwasp]

Did you end up trying the 62’s? If so, what powder did you find best?

[@joeytheratbastard1873]

@@buckwasp found 2, 44.5 gns staball 6.5 at 3636 fps shot .383 at 100 with a 12.6 SD. 42.7 gns H 4350 at 3532 fps shot .414 at 100 with a 6.8 SD. Both were shot using Alpha brass and CCI 450’s small rifle primer magnum. Can’t wait to try them on prairie dogs next summer.

[@tobiastorsi]

Which Platform is intsalled on the Rail when you Shoot from the Frontrest? i.e. Minute 17:46. Thanks!!

[@mattrenfroe1985]

Dang almost makes me wanna move to Colorado after I finish at SDI

[@eskimoreloader]

Beautiful set up

[@jeffreywefel7102]

This is Jeff from Wisconsin. with h4350 and 8 twist I using 75 gr eld-m I am just at 3400 I hand a load at 3350 but had to change lot on the powder would not shoot at 3350 had to go to 3400 to get it to shoot and that is under 1/2 moa at 200 y.

[@JwRainmaker]

I would say when it comes to choosing an action for a build the only one's worth considering are those with integral recoil lug and integral scope rail. Bolt raceways cut by EDM. Bolts machined as one piece. Gavin I'd love to see you get away from using a print in your builds. Having an action with bolt, barrel, reamer, and HS gauges is all you need to start machining. Take the action with disassembled bolt in it and measure your lengths by using calipers or a mike. Measure from front face of action to front of bolt lug for your length. For diameter use calipers on inside of front of action right up to where the threads begin and that will be your max diameter. If not, an integral recoil lug action add thickness of lug to length measurement. Also, it helps to know the TPI of the action. You do great machining work, and I can tell you have a process that suits you, so I don't expect to see you get away from prints. I did not mention the bolt counter bore. Me personally, I only like counter bore bolts. If using a cone breech bolt cut angle of bolt nose lugs until there is no contact. Counter bore, measure from bolt face to front face of bolt lug for depth most likely .150. Diameter measure with calipers outside sides of bolt lugs. Most likely .700. I cut .703. Reaming chamber, know how far the reamer traveled in bore when cutting and proceed with cutting until go gauge closes and go gauge with tape on rear dose not close. Measure tape to know headspace of chamber just cut. Awesome work you do Gavin, very cool shop and machines.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Look at the first item in my chambering checklist in this video :)

[@JwRainmaker]

@@Ultimatereloader will do.

[@brianmccormack84]

Have a 22 creedmoor with a 1 and 8 twist Burger 80 grain vld shoot excellent as well as a 55 grain Hornady V-Max it is a prefix from preferred barrel planks shoulder prefit

[@roberthorrar5939]

The sweet spot seems to be the 80.5 gr. With a 1-8 twist. With a 1-7 twist keeping the RPM’s under 300.000 will keep the jackets on 88-90 gr bullets. This cartridge was not designed for the heavy bullets like the .224 Valkyrie. This Creedmoor is a barrel burner like its cousin🎉 the 6 mm Creedmoor.

[@draconian6692]

Hornady fked up not designing this for the 95 grain berger's

[@jamesbarrett223]

The Berger 85.5 grain calls for a 1-8 twist rate might try that. I hope it works my 22 Creed has been in the works for about 5 months with a Coupe De Grace action.

[@carlosbouzo]

Enquanto isso espero ansiosamente pelo Mossberg Patriot...

[@Dave-cf2ng]

I went with the 1-7 to shoot the 85.5 Berger. I try and stay away from the eldm and x because the 1-7 twist blows them up.

[@G5Hohn]

Is this your experience or you just parroting online reading?

[@Dave-cf2ng]

@@G5Hohn I lost many of the 88s while forming brass. I am shooting a 26”. Carbon6, I am using RL26 with the 85.5 going 3350. Alpha OCD brass is holding up well, to the abuse.

[@Dave-cf2ng]

@@G5Hohn hornaday doesn’t recommend pushing them that fast in a 1-7 twist.

[@G5Hohn]

@@Dave-cf2ng My hornady (not hornaday) book shows a maximum speed for the 88 ELD of 3700 fps in the main bullet listing and the only reference to twist is recommending a MINIMUM 8 twist for 75/80 in the 22-250. Where did you see hornady caution about overspeeding the ELDM?

[@Dave-cf2ng]

@@G5Hohn called them

[@RabbitSlayer48]

Electric and gas here in las vegas have both gone crazy too.

[@Lucysdad66]

Try the 80 grain sierra's they work really good in my 1 in 8 twist

[@sethperry1323]

16" lightweight 22 creed predator setup... with a aem5 or ocm5 suppressor 🎉🎉

[@jesseiancassidy]

I have a 22-250 with a 26" 1:8 twist I load the 62grain ELD-VT with 35 grains of varget. With a 384 thermal I am getting .6 of an inch spread. Havnt tried with glass yet.

[@hopewilliams6705]

22-250 is a hot rod

[@jesseiancassidy]

​@hopewilliams6705 right at 3500fps

[@stephencarran7650]

I'm having no problems stabilising 80gn ELD-Ms in a 1:8 twist .223 AI.

[@DanL243]

You may want to try handloading some 80eldm too. The factory Hornady loads just shoot like crap for a lot of people.

[@halfdollar86]

Did you bed this rifle? Do you normally bed your stocks?

[@chaddfry5345]

Will you be using the Hawkins Hunter mags on the 22 CM hunting build?

[@Ultimatereloader]

Not sure- but will be using them on the 280AI build coming up!

[@cody182005]

all my research let me to 1-8 as well. apparently 1-7s were having trouble with blow-up at full throttle creed velocity. some people were having luck but if the bore got fouled too much or a couple hundred rounds of wear and then it seemed problem was amplified. Im running 1-8 with 75 ELDs 4350 at 3350fps. Peterson srp brass with a magnum primer. down the road i may try the 80s and possibly the eld-vt. It’s not perfect but I’m running with it for the time being. after a lot of testing i can make come pretty 3 shot groups of under 1/2moa. but 5 shot groups one will always open it up to 0.8-1moa. might be a barrel temperature thing im starting to believe

[@Moraprecisionreloader]

Is the 22 creadmore the same as a 22/ 243 Winchester does it beats the 220 Swift? Sure like this boom stick set up ,nice job Gavin. This is probably your best built.

[@Ultimatereloader]

The 22 Creedmoor is different than 22/243- different shoulder angle, shallower side wall taper, shoulder is sharper angle, optimized for longer higher-bc bullets. Not sure about 220 Swift!

[@malcolmschuler91]

Who makes the arca front bag rider? I have been looking for a good one and have seen you use them with good results. Please let me know.

[@stephenkrampert3430]

Have a 223 AI build on an old Bridgeport, benchmark barrel eight twist shoots inch and a quarter at 300 fire forming factory ammo someday I hope to have you build a rifle for me. Beautiful work.

[@jeremyacton254]

With the scope mounted that low to the barrel, is the suppressor in your sight picture?

[@11greenwithenvy]

Do you run a phase converter in your shop or do you have 3 phase?

[@timothytrexler1896]

Where are y'all located I live in North Carolina I'd like to come by and check y'all out and meet you

[@williamsonnie9935]

There must be a typo, 88 ELDM with a velocity of 3300 fps from factory white box Hornady does not exist in the market yet. As far as the velocities with 88’s, 3300 isn’t feasible at that velocity unless you’re leaning on it. I’m guessing this was actually 80 grain ELDM @ 3300…

[@DStein-jn9ls]

I built a 22 Creed using the Aero Precision Solus action with a 1:8 twist. Shoots great!

[@OJAWESOMENESS96]

Doing this myself what barrel did you go with? And what ammo do you shoot?

[@DStein-jn9ls]

@@OJAWESOMENESS96 I used a Preferred Barrel Blanks 24” 1/8 twist. I used the alpha 0.120” reamer. Wish I had gone with an 18” barrel as this will be used for hunting. I load my own ammo and use H4350 and H4831SC. Peterson SRP brass. Hornady 80 and 88 gr ELD-M

[@reloadrefine]

@UltimateReloader Have you ever tried Jewell Triggers?

[@lbb05rgv]

I think the reason the factory 88s didnt shoot well is because they are Hornady. The 88s are proven to work well in a 22cm out of an 8 twist tube. Obviously, elevation plays a role too. What is your land diameter?

[@jeffallen3382]

I take it the Mossberg is no longer being worked on?

[@Ultimatereloader]

It’s in progress - traveling right now!

[@lowner34]

Gavin why not build a 20 BRA for the Rock chucks. 55 GR bullet. Running 3400 FPS.

[@Ultimatereloader]

So many choices………

[@jimg.4913]

Thinking Gavin is going to have to start an on site rock chuck breeding operation 🤔😊

[@Ultimatereloader]

They breed like crazy on their own 😂

[@stewartw7248]

The spec should have been 7.5 twist. Works the best for the largest selection of options.

[@jlarocque84]

The 80 grain bullets only require a 1-8 twist barrel

[@Planeiron]

I like all of them the heavy rifle is my fav, but I like heavy rifles I shoot off a bench, 6mm creed, 4 260's 260AI

[@mariocarretto6109]

I’m currently extremely interested in a 22creed as a dedicated thermal host for coyote hunting. I’d love to see what barrel length, twist and bullet combo you’d choose for night hunting when it can be a bit harder to judge wind on the fly.

[@66branch]

I'm on my second and just finishing my 3rd 22cm. 8T 20-24" pushing 70-75 thumps coyotes

[@daviddestefano7785]

Will you be going to petes neck of the woods to do some hunting with him in south africa?

[@Ultimatereloader]

See my series!

[@Ultimatereloader]

Here's the playlist: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGnFY3Vsgtisi7M&pp=gAQBiAQB

[@fattigla]

I'm scratching my head why Hornady would SAAMI spec a cartridge, then make ammo that won't work with it?

[@Forumrida38621]

I'm surprised you haven't built something with the new competition action from Bat, it's the hammerhead I absolutely love mine. I tell you what I will let you borrow mine to test it out if you can move me up the wait-list to chamber another barrel for me in 22bra. I have the barrel and reamer for it.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Ahhhh- but I HAVE :) see: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJyck2alds-mntE

[@Forumrida38621]

@@Ultimatereloader o shoot how did I miss that lol.. well the offer is still on the table if you wanna test out a 22bra lol

[@jonathanmitchell3733]

Hows Jim’s Ruger doing

[@anthonykhalil70]

80.5 bergers will work in 1:8

[@mikeherrmann5360]

Needs the older EVH White - Black stripe job

[@mikeherrmann5360]

At that speed the tips may have failed on the hornady bullets

[@farmerwayne1404]

Gavin, what's wrong with a real rem 700 action, if everyone clones them. Seems weird!!! Like everyone wants one, but nobody wants one.....

[@johannengelbrecht9531]

I would like the 6.5 however. Piet's rifles are always on fire..

[@DM-w5o]

Wonder if the barrel lasted long enough to get it zeroed?🥴

[@ericteipen]

I bought a Horizon Vandal in 22 Creedmoor. I love the gun BUT the process of getting it was less than ideal. NONEXHISTANT customer service, no calls returned, Hell, come to find out, my gun was finished and sat there for weeks before Horizon decided to ship it out.. I wasn't the only one to have problems. They did send me a box of ammo for my trouble along with multiple apologies and reassurance that those that caused the problems had been "Delt with"

[@Malcolm-f8q]

Running 1-7 twist myself 10 rounds in 1MOA circle 100m

[@ericteipen]

Horizon Guarantees .5 MOA with a 1 in 8 twist barrel using Hornady 80g ELDM. How come they can get them to be accurate and you can't? My gun is a one hole tack driver with my reloads. Been reloading since 1975. As far as barrel life it's no different than my 220 Swift it seems. You just can't be stupid and rack off 10-20 rounds one after another.

[@stephencarran7650]

He was shooting 88gn not 80gn. Yes 80's will stabilise in a 1:8 twist even though on the box it states a minimum 1:7 I can get .3-.4's with 80's in my .223 AI travelling at 2850 (20" bbl).

[@ericteipen]

@@stephencarran7650 Thank you. I see now. My mistake.

[@kenmcvie6350]

Get back to fixing the 308 !

[@Rayhan-vt7xt]

❤❤❤

[@chrisbomboy3206]

Use 80gr SMK's and don't look back.

[@peterhalencak]

wrong twist rate you need 1-7 6 groove

[@draconian6692]

1:7 is really the sweet spot. 1:8 should not be a thing. Saami fucked up

[@Ultimatereloader]

Our next build is going to feature 1:7 twist!

[@JonathanBowman-j5s]

Bummer to build a superfast .22 cal rifle and only be able to shoot 77gr bullets

[@dad2817]

Ok 10k later......

[@carlLackey-qk8sd]

Not great to here from a guy who has over 7k in my HNT26, Wombat action, and scope sitting at Horizon for the last 9 months.

[@jtmcfarland3512]

I hope didn’t shoot animals for only for fun.

[@WHITEBELT44]

Long time fan of the channel. Really disappointed to see you pushing stiller to your followers. They are the absolute worst action I’ve ever used. Accuracy is fine, durability sucks EVERY dick, and their customer service is worse. It’s the only action I’ve ever sold. For $200 more you can have an impact or several other quality actions in that price range. Stiller is garbage.

[@waynebrown2546]

62gr ELD-VT. --- money