22 Rmax vs Pioneer 1000?! Drag race, Observations, Specs

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[@MarshallMims]

Very fair and accurate. As the owner of the RMAX in the video, After driving your pioneer, I text my dealer and told him to put my name on the first pioneer 1000-5 base he gets his hands on and I'm trading the rmax.

[@MassiveOverkill]

I suggest you throw some front/rear windshields on that Honda and see how the noise/heat is then. EVERY SxS is quieter and cooler when they don't have windshields.

[@MarshallMims]

@@MassiveOverkill been there done that. I had full windshields front and rear in my Polaris General as well, and it was much quieter in the cab than the Yamaha. Honda still quieter by a margin. And the updated heat shielding on the 22 pioneer means it doesn't generate heat in the cab like the old ones did either. You should try it! I'll say it like I said in another post today where someone's trying to start crap... These things are not one size fits all. Got to find what's right for you and unfortunately I don't think this is the one for me. Thanks for your input though!

[@MassiveOverkill]

@@MarshallMims I don't really need to try it as I've seen them first hand and have the testimony of MANY former Pioneer owners who've switched to the RMAX platform. You're one of the very small minority who actually like the Pioneer better than the RMAX, but you do you ;)

[@RedWhiteRoxor]

As soon as I saw the thumbnail I figured it was you

[@MarshallMims]

@@RedWhiteRoxor haha you never know where i'll show up

[@jxyzbyyy8567]

I'm a Yamaha guy but considering the price difference, I'm leaning towards the Honda. I also like the bench in the Honda and open space seating.

[@jimh.412]

Me 2. I have a Wolverine X2, I bought it brand new (2 years ago) and haven't had any problems besides a ticking sound over 30 mph but I am disappointed in the power and now that Yamaha raised all their prices by like $3-4,000 on the new models I am thinking about the Pioneer 1000. I like the bench seat too. They are much easier to get in and out of.

[@markflaugh2293]

You can fix the bed rattle for a few cents and probably with stuff laying around your shop. A piece of rubber fuel line cut down the middle and 2 small zip ties on each one on the metal latch completely fixes it.

[@jackk8422]

Thanks for posting this. Was stuck between the rmax and pioneer. We have a local honda dealer but no yamaha. Price difference and the actual utility of the honda was my deciding factor.

[@Ghazlett24]

I love my Rmax, but if Honda had better suspension and seats I would have purchased a Pioneer Trail. Love the transmission and turf mode in the Honda but for my riding style I need the Rmax suspension.

[@brianlb78]

I think a lot of people would if Honda did that. That's really what separates them one is going to be more comfortable ride and one is going to be better for random farm/ranch stuff. Although I don't really pay much attention to payload capacity it's not like you're going to load a Pioneer with 1000lbs or a Rmax with 600, if you have that much weight you're putting it in a skid steer or tractor bucker or something 9 out of 10 times.

[@dbs311]

I rode in my friends Rmax Limited and now I hate my Pioneer. I have spent the last 3 years trying to hunt down each and every squeak and rattle which it had from day 1. I have spent the last 3 years trying to find ANYTHING that will make the Pioneer ride better. I'm still working on both, to this day. One damn minute spent in the Rmax and I realized.......THIS is what I've been trying to turn my Pioneer into.

[@stevejones6802]

​@dbs311 nah ALL utvs rattle

[@dbs311]

@@stevejones6802 Yeah, I get that......but out of all the utvs I've owned, nothing has been as bad as my Pioneer, from day 1 of ownership. When I took it to a local park to break it in all I thought the entire day was "Man this isn't fun to drive." Even my old 2016 RZR 1000 with 2500 miles on it didn't rattle and clunk as much as my brand new Honda Pioneer.

[@stevejones6802]

@@dbs311 interesting.. youre the only one i've heard complain about it

[@jessesowards9555]

I own an rmax4 and ride with and have driven 3 talonx4 and i have no problem keeping up or going the same places. With the talons being more of a pure sport I expected to but no problem yet. Last ride was mostly blacktop a little over 100 miles 45 to 55mph for most of it and no issues. Hondas transmission is nice and of course it is quieter but one of those talons has already been in the shop with low gear out and in the shop currently for the last 3 weeks for clutch issues. If my belt goes out I can change it myself I would be screwed with a honda transmission without a warranty. I like the talons and Honda in general and wouldn't care to buy one if something happens to my rmax but have had nothing but good luck with mine with almost 3000 miles on it. Ps the jerkiness goes away in sport mode once you get use to the throttle trail and crawl mode decreases throttle response so it's gonna feel sluggish.

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

22 talon fixes low gear

[@jamesc6137]

I would think upgrading the suspension and maybe even adding long travel a arms to all corners would make the pioneer almost perfect.

[@whiterhinooutdoors4572]

Love the specs love the video surprised actually almost bought the R max

[@jamesc6137]

And would be nice to be able to bolt on the Honda approved turbo kit for the talon on the pioneer.

[@jessewoody5772]

The changes made to the Pioneer 1000 for 2022 make it far more capable than the previous generation. I am looking forward to your suspension mods as it does ride like a small dump truck

[@kingrider75]

Agreed. Recently sold a 2016 pioneer after 6 trouble free years and purchased a 3 seater 22 model and it feels like a completely different machine.

[@jessewoody5772]

@@kingrider75 Happy New Year enjoying your new Pioneer. Mine is a gray 3 seat deluxe. Very stout, and ripe for mods......

[@ve3xtr]

I just sold my 2015 Pioneer 700-4 and bought a 2023 Wolverine 850 X2. Things I didn't like about the Pioneer, the riding position, the bench seats and lack of power. The seats were my #1 complaint. Non adjustable upward position seating. Not comfortable for long rides. Can't really comment on the Wolverine because it's winter up here and I haven't had a chance to ride it.

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

The 850s are nice i had one. Suspenion and power cant compare to the rmax though. Huge upgrade from a p700

[@concealit4800]

Good observation on the weights but if u want to pull bigger tires lighter weights is better

[@jonathankenton7182]

I love my pioneer 1000-5 forest edition.

[@paul_t_kendall]

Great review. Thanks!

[@CAROLINARUTCUTTERZ]

I have to disagree about the transmission me and my buddy both got our sxs at the same time I got a 18 x4 and he got a 18 p1k and his clutches have already went out twice and my belt is still stock we drive the same holes. Gear transmission just don’t hold up long term like a belt

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

This is the textbook, I love so much. Comments on a video about 2022's based on stuff from 2018

[@CAROLINARUTCUTTERZ]

@@MudPuppyOffroad not saying the 22 ain’t better or worst just that at this moment clutch sxs have been the most unreliable I hope they fixed it but it took them almost 6 years just to update it and I don’t trust Honda other then there four wheelers. Time will tell hopefully it is fix

[@kingrider75]

From a guy who 0ut 20,000 plus miles on a 16 pioneer 1000 and now the proud owner of a 22 model I’ll take my chances😂 The belt drives aren’t bad machines but I’ve changed one to many of em and rebuilt more than one wet clutch so I’ll stick with a tranny ​@@CAROLINARUTCUTTERZ

[@jamiehughes7761]

Great video! Im stuck between a base rmax4 and a trail pioneer 1000-5. Loved how the honda drives on the road and holding the rpms lower. The yamaha was so loud driving slow. Im a yamaha guy but wish it was not so loud and had a rear locker. I cant decided?

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

I got the pioneer. No belt is so much fun

[@EddieVeith-ud6dv]

Rmax 1000 2024 awesome, love it.

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

They really are great machines I don't have one for two reasons though. Way too hard to snorkel properly. And they're extremely noisy for a full day of riding I get a headache

[@beyourself4450]

If only honda would put more time in ergonomics

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

They're just trying to keep it cheap

[@jonathankenton7182]

I’m a big guy 6’2” and I agree. Still love my pioneer.

[@coltonsullivan3659]

Would you recommend a Teryx 800, maverick, general, or another similar sxs?

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

I mean they're all belt drives so the Honda's going to be more fun! out of all the Belt drives the rmax is the best

[@samtipikin]

Take them both mountain climbing you will start to hate the pioneer when u need some power stupid thing shifts if u keep in Manuel it OK. Gears 123 need to be lowered by 50%

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

2022 climbs great in auto. But having the manual mode is great... rmax does not have a manual mode

[@The_MadPatter]

Have you thought about testing a Kawasaki KRX?

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Ive driven a few. Not my style too big.

[@mariost-jacques7490]

i guess you are a honda boy😛

[@bmiller1325]

I have had my Rmax since 21 all of my buddies run RZRS I go every where they do and have room for a full size cooler and tools and a folding chair haters always going to hate

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Rmax is a great buggy, certainly better than those Polarises! I just think it needs to be quieter the clutching is way too aggressive

[@mikebeatty7522]

I love my R maxx I have 2022 le an you can't drive

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Yeah you're right I'm not really good at this kind of stuff LOL

[@ProjectAjax]

interesting viewpoint comparing them stock. but once on portals, for mudding... wheelbase, wheel speed, hp, lower gearing, travel #s... SEATS....Rmax is worth the cash

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Have you snorkeled one yet? Wait till you try to do that it's impossible to do right LOL even if you do get it sealed up there's so many pipes and fittings they constantly come loose. Objectively worse for deep stuff

[@ProjectAjax]

@@MudPuppyOffroad might be true there. cvt can be sealed though. my Defender is 100% sealed with 3 pipes. stock clutches and stock belt still. never had water in beltbox and I've been over my half windshield. it's possible although it's alot more straightforward than an Rmax 100%

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

@@ProjectAjax your Defender is 1,000 times more easy to snorkel than this no comparison your engine is Not underneath the front seats. Additionally you don't have two 3-in belt intake pipes and a 4-in belt exhaust. It is literally impossible to snorkel this machine without losing significant belt flow

[@ProjectAjax]

@@MudPuppyOffroad yikes. I've snorkeled a teryx. it's probably as bad as that or worse. those kits have laughable 1.5" pvc tubing belt smokers.

[@ProjectAjax]

@@MudPuppyOffroad I wouldn't buy an rmax for probably that reason alone

[@benderman55]

Pretty biased review, these do not compare what so ever, suspension #s Quality of suspension, seats interior. As for belt driven, the Yamaha will outlast Honda clutches. Plus the Honda comes with dinky tires. If you can’t tell the difference between these machines you should not be doing the comparison.

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

I love when someone calls you biased and then shows how immensly biased they are immediately after. Watch the whole video... all of that is discussed at length... im sure youll learn somthing (:

[@EluderRacing]

wanted to see if you have ever ran your pioneer up against a older commander 1000 just wondering how they match up? also are there many options for a pioneer performance wise to get closer to that 100hp range like exhaust, tuner etc.... are all pioneers automatic like the talons?

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

I have literally never ridden with an old Commander because none of them work anymore. There are tunes that people claim make a huge difference. I have not played with that yet. Same engine transmission and gearing as a talon

[@duztyherronz71]

If your an avid trail rider and still want a work horse the rmax is by far your best bet to buy. Super fun and comfortable rig. But if your more into a worker rig and want to give up comfortability go towards the pioneer.

[@walter2670]

the honda 1000 has the worst bed bushings on the market. squeaks extremely bad. not impressed with mine as well. i hate this thing

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

The squeaks are annoying that you can easily fix them with a piece of fuel line. Not bad enough to hate the machine LOL. Still my favorite utility side-by-side currently produced

[@RC-wt7fr]

2:12 Pioneer FTW

[@traviscooper1684]

No comparison YAMAHA all the way the ultramatic transmission/belt tougher than that Honda driveshaft no comparison in two RMAX rides power looks etc hands down than junky pioneer

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

The Yamaha transmission is super reliable until you get water in it because it's impossible to snorkel properly. Not to mention it turns way too many RPMs with Factory tuning. Also there are a few real men left out there that like shifting gears

[@traviscooper1684]

@@MudPuppyOffroad u mean that slappy clunky loud junky sound the paddle shift does lol

[@traviscooper1684]

Honda been behind in side by side since the big Red 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Cool man thanks for your opinion but that's all it is. You're not backing it up with any logic or data. I owned a wolverine 850 I got rid of it because it was boring to drive without shifting gears and constantly got water in the belt system because you had to have so many snorkel pipes. I have yet to see a single 850 Wolverine or 1,000 go anywhere my Honda's do without having to stop and drain the belt which is terrible for the clutches

[@lexuslowlife3055]

Hey bud it’s me the “wish you where my wife’s boyfriend guy”. Hey my dad is looking at the pioneer 1000 you have but a 6 seater vs the talon 4 seater I have. Buttt his back isn’t 100% we ride the same trails you do and high speed trails when we’re intoxicated. I’m telling him that he’s gonna be disappointed on the the suspension travel and smoother ride that I assume the talon would have which would be way better for his back and way more enjoyable and capable at higher speeds. If what I’m saying is true can you reply with your professional torture testing opinion so I can screenshot for him please. Yours Truly Your side chick’s husband

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

My man! Tell your dad to go with the talon seats are much more supportive

[@lexuslowlife3055]

@@MudPuppyOffroad thanks brother.

[@haydenkrinke469]

Rmax has a rear sway bar 😢

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Not on the 2 seater

[@bruce9063]

The question is…. Can we get the Pioneer to pop a wheelie? Lol… I’ve seen one video with it on two back wheels but not sure how he did it

[@xmrcobb5885]

defender is a solid machine

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

They're okay unless you drive a Honda or a Yamaha right after

[@duanesnow424]

I drove a new defender limited and a 900 defender and an xmr defender. They all rattled and squeaked. I can’t imagine how many creaks they’ll have after col thousand miles! The rmax is too loud for my liking but feels solid. I haven’t tried a pioneer. But for 7000$ less, i may be swayed

[@jonathonpettit9418]

Opinions on a 2023 can am defender hd9?

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Very squeaky suspension and roll cage doesn't feel super high quality also don't like the cabin

[@zacharyledgerwood3075]

just the word sport adds 5k$ to any model now days. lol

[@mert_1]

My rmax2 kills rzr1k not sure what yall got going on as far as stability I run my suspension hard if rd riding since mine is street legal if set on soft it will have body roll but I feel a definite biased opinion like polaris guys not admitting they're shit or honda guys loving that wonky shifting just can't get into it but to each their own.

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Honestly the shifting is not wonky on the Talon or the 2022 Pioneer but even if it was you have the option to control your gear ratio which is something your rmax will never have. Sure the Belt Drive is user friendly but that's not what you want when you know what the fuck you're doing.

[@mert_1]

@@MudPuppyOffroad I was actually riding this past Saturday and there was a Honda Talon and he was saying that he did not like the way it shifted as he got his a** waxed by a rzr1000 And that same 1000 rzr I can put 2 lengths on him easy all day long. But my next side-by-side will be the Yxz1000 3 pedal. But I do agree cvt is user friendly and easy to operate but it takes the fun factor away.