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The Chinese Communist Party may not seem all that good at propaganda, but that doesn't mean it's stupid when it comes to pushing the West's buttons. In this episode of China Unscripted, we look at China's information warfare, what it's doing in space and why the South China Sea matters when it comes to understanding China's ambitions. Joining us in this episode is Michael Listner, the founder of Space Law & Policy Solutions. His company consults with the governments and policymakers on issues related to outer space security.
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[@ChinaUnscripted]

Check out Michael Listner’s KZbin channel: Space Thoughts www.youtube.com/@spacethoughts7819 And his webpage www.spacelawsolutions.com

[@BoycottChinaa]

Brilliant Pebbles was insane tech, video is on youtube of it in action

[@controllerplayer1720]

i think the moon landing did not happen back in 1969 because it was filmed on a studio.. it was produced by the former nazi werner vön braun, co-produced by walt disney and directed by stanley kubrick.. most of the images of mars back in 1990's until 2000's were taken on other places here on Earth like in Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, Death Valley California, Canada, Peru, Yemen, Negev Desert, Algeria, Morocco and in the middle of Sahara Desert then later they created it by means of a CGI..

[@becausereasons8981]

"So... It's impossible to be a space pirate. Currently." Damn...my life long dream is crushed.

[@saviorvx1883]

for the time being, but if you are young and in your 20s or 30s, you will still see the day by 60. However, the world will not catch up until much later, to mysteriously get clapped by pirates who totally "wasnt trained by the Space I.A ", and repeat history , fight ppl we propped up and act dumb tto problems that theres a "space bin laden" to scaree ppl into in\/ading a planet minding there business for fuel :D i heard the new 9th/10th planet is callled space-iraq and filleed with a \/iolent ppl who wear a breathing mask/towel and talk weeird

[@alexincobra7379]

In Star Trek comparison: NASA is like the United Federation of Planets and China is like the Romulans, always trying to conquer worlds and use subterfuge to to hide information while spying on other factions.

[@mrbuttons1243]

Or the CCP is like the Ferengi. Very shady, always scheming, can't trust 'em.

[@alexincobra7379]

At least the Ferengy shadiness would because they sell you out to someone else malign to you. The Chinese government is the facting trying to actively destroy the US, by any means necessary. The Romulans were that way with Federation

[@jont2576]

really thats the cleverest allegory u can think of? if u ask me the Chinese are more of the ferengi, unlike the United states devil in disguise, on a rampage of death and destruction across the world since 1945 to cement her hegemony, and her insidious rhetoric and propaganda and narratives......over 18 wars and genocidal bombing campaigns.....and over 20 million killed in her wars......iraq,afganistan.....laos,cambodia.....vietnam,korea......syria,libya.....yemen....congo,lebanon,mogadishu, benghazi.......yugoslavia,bosnia......and many more i forgot...... half the region and countries in middle east destroyed..... i dunno about u but i doubt china has ever come remotely close to that kind of death and destruction.......always trying to conquer worlds lmao..... china has not fought any major wars except for korean war in 1960 and vietnam in 1979 both was to secure her borders.....and wwii when she was invaded and occupied by the Japanese. how many major wars has USA been in since wwii with casualties between 100,000 and 3.5 million? u can clearly tell the intelligence and the education level of the average american populace....if they didnt pouch the best minds and scientists from all across the world......u think that bunch of christian settlers in southern america and the average intellect of those original colonialists that founded america. and lets not forget all the other non war but still depraved things she did.....i wont bother to elaborate this time, at least the chinese are pacifist and non warmongering.....u cant claim they are a completely benevolent and altruistic race but neutral at least they are major hypocrites that went on a rampage destroying asia,middle east, africa and eastern europe and still have the audacity and the cognitive dissonacne to believe they are a force of good lmao..... if it wasnt for USA, 80 percent of the wars since wwii would never have happened and the rest of the world would have progressed and developed earlier by decades by now.

[@hififlipper]

Yey! Another full lenght interview! Love that format!

[@jordanmarshall56]

I appreciate you guys keep up the good work!

[@kittybrowneye3163]

You mean the blatant propaganda? Lol 😂 the us does the exact samething to Russia. Warsaw packed, Minsk accords 1, Minsk accords 2. Not one inch to the east. You guys are hilarious

[@user-yx9ns1sc9l]

​@@kittybrowneye3163if you want to talk about hilarious nonsense, look o further than your chinese propaganda nonsense... eh, wu mao?

[@Faith-pg1vv]

great episode. Michael Listner was very articulate and extremely interesting. I appreciated his frankness, knowledge, and well-informed view of China. Props and God bless!

[@rrfification]

Great discussion! Thanks for the information, Michael.

[@australianwoman9696]

The problem with china & space is they view people as an expendable resource & they have millions to use up. Also they reward those who succeed very well.

[@aeophylus]

I wonder whether you regard the US viewing people as an expandable resource as well in view of the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians who has perished in the proxy war they have with Russia and the tens of thousands of Palestinians dead in Gaza.

[@australianwoman9696]

​​@@aeophylusYes all nations view their people as an expendable resource, the difference is in the west we have certain protections such as life & liberty. ( A single world governance will erode or remove such protections. ) I am against all forms of war, every life is precious. I am a conscientious objector.

[@TrickOrRetreat]

Space X new goal is a new starship every 72 hours.

[@user-yx9ns1sc9l]

@aeophylos ...​So what you are saying is Americans should let the evil chinese do whatever evil they are doing, and not retaliate???

[@peterclarke3020]

@@TrickOrRetreatSpaceX would be some way off of that right now - although they might feasibly ramp up to that at some point.

[@shannonnewman3091]

Thanks!

[@Gabby-bot]

The biggest mistake of all would be to ignore 'Deep Thoughts While Gaming'. For the record, I have seen 'Gravity' And 'The Martian', in the latter of which they made a huge mistake. I'm getting a trifle weary of making comments for which I get no feedback or acknoledgenent, so the clock is tickinng on this form of participation Maybe i need to publish, or throw superchats around like candy. Just a farmer, after all. That said, thanks so much for The insightfull and thought provoking video. Love and greetings from Norway.

[@owenwilson25]

A few years back there was a Chinese news release (which seems to have been yanked) about a new ocean observing satellite calibrating China's ability to detect and track submarines by their moving water displacement. Has there been any further news on that technology?

[@anthonyfenton1644]

Problem is, we DON"T know how we think, so how can they?

[@peterclarke3020]

The west really does need much better leaders.

[@khunterg55]

Michael Listner has a point. The Japanese war machine of WWII, and Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto figured the American people would be stunned stupid and sue for peace with the destruction of the Pacific fleet. It was the appearance of American political will not to fight had a lot to do with being attacked in the first place. Today it's tick tock, back then it was the radio that bent people's minds.

[@ronniecheong2146]

China builds bridges of friendship n create prosperity the warmongering united snakes of america builds military n naval bases create wars n destruction take your pick

[@Xaforn]

Makes me think of the prelude to prequel stories of mecha anime.

[@moderatethinker9223]

I want to go to Japan or something for good long 90 days without a Visa at least one or two times before it's too late. Maybe the UK too. Tired of the shit I have, wanna see someone else's

[@nomercynodragonforyou9688]

Love how he broke it all down

[@Unsensitive]

Dual use. Kinda like China and their "weather" balloons flying across the US and other countries..

[@Foche_T._Schitt]

15:15 when has our government been held accountable?

[@thomasmooney5653]

None of them are.

[@cjsamtab7]

The geopolitical tension of CCP/PLA, NKOR, and then some, is like a diarrhoea waiting to happen.

[@tomsewell2462]

If their nukes are anything like my Ariel Rider Grizzly E-Fatbike, then we ain't got nothing to worry about, They break rite out of the box.

[@user-unfound33]

That KZbin channel sounds good 👍

[@YoFreshWiggy]

Space Pirates? In the vast cold void of space, where no one can hear you Arrr!

[@kmich7660]

USA unscripted: Only on China? Mate, it's on the whole world.😊

[@richardchiriboga4424]

End of an Empire

[@BRUCE_the_MOOSE_]

You could compare the first stages of the module landing on the moon as the same as how the CCP claimed the islands and sholes in the South China Sea region. They started with survey stones and flags. Then simple crude structures, then more elaborate buildings, then more buildings with infrastructure, then military installations.

[@crismonreytolentino998]

watching form PH =)

[@cdracing]

WE LOVE GRUESOME 11:00

[@WW3_Historian]

I'm surprised the Lagrange Points weren't talked about. They're IMHO the next contested areas of space.

[@georgecarlin2097]

What practical application do they have

[@WW3_Historian]

@georgecarlin2097 Ask the people who decided to put the JWST in one. It's a stable position that doesn't require fuel to maintain.

[@peterclarke3020]

We should not accept that as a claim. Only the current footprint of the lander is protected. (Non interference with other nations probes)

[@tonyrayallday]

This gave me a new perspective on space, and l realize that they really are sociopaths¡ Thanks. for the new POV.

[@GenX1964]

40:00 Like a diversion to allow China 🇨🇳 to walk in and take Hong Kong without firing a single shot??? Did it.

[@secretbassrigs]

apparently, the emperor of the Qing Dynasty was his own master race.

[@SamtheIrishexan]

Our entities aren't really separate, lol. Nasa and the military intelligence industrial complex are married. Eventually other private companies will join them like spaceX

[@sebastianwolfmayr]

i have a taiwanese-american friend with exactly the same way of talking, the same gestures, mannerisms and even a similar voice. he doesn't talk about space forces though, that's how i know it's not him. 😅

[@SquareTableDegenerates]

Not gonna lie, don't care for the headphones, they made the audio a bit stuffy too.

[@Picklemedia]

@59:59 China produces less CO2 per capita and they make all our stuff so...

[@pabf2745]

It's loke define a city weapon

[@matsallehsesat2001]

did you buy the old Breaking Points set?

[@bluefish7940]

That why China don’t let you guys on their space station. 😂😂😂

[@PaulMidler]

You ask why China went to the far side of the Moon. Listner didn’t hear question or he evaded.

[@bjgarris]

Ok

[@lomotil3370]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 🌐 China *excels in strategic patience, exploiting the West's errors.* 🔄 The *West's lack of understanding hampers an effective response to China's long-term strategy.* 🚀 Space *domain gains prominence; China's advancements pose challenges to Western nations.* 🌏 International *cooperation is crucial to addressing China's influence and safeguarding shared interests.* 📊 Dealing *with China's rise requires nuanced approaches due to economic interconnectedness.* 🛰️ Protecting *space assets is emphasized for national security in the face of evolving challenges.* 🎯 Recognizing *and rectifying the West's mistakes is essential in countering China's influence.* 💡 A *comprehensive strategy is needed to navigate the complexities of China's global impact.* Made with HARPA AI

[@alexbarnett8541]

Space court

[@boyeatsworld-vr9ci]

Wait... the warnin Ukraine IS actually our fault. Was he being ironic when he said it wasnt?

[@TheLegendInYou]

They study, but they dont understand.

[@regretabletangibility]

They'll have niches in which they'll excel in most likely

[@moderatethinker9223]

If people could colonize space or if it was worth it I don't think those sharing rules would hold up anyway, at most I think it would be used more as grounds to enforce the interests of some over others and it might be a revolutionary war that would finally give colonies independence from the home world nations it's under and I think all it amounted to was a good guy's story to say at the time. It's politics, saying it's for science is for politics but that all goes to military too, it's just to say something good for pr though.. people want it all but they want the story and someone violating the story first is the grounds that others would want to go and take shit over for the safety and security of all those fuzzy feelings and good words but I'm not saying it's anyone, just throwing extreme spectrum examples.. Something on average on average I would guess.

[@echo53226]

Sorry but I prefer Uncensored to Unscripted

[@BRUCE_the_MOOSE_]

Emperor Pooh has a grand vision for a new world order. And it looks suspiciously similar to the inside of a concentration camp.

[@cdracing]

Miss GRUESOME

[@moderatethinker9223]

Jesus said if you are not hot or cold i will spit you from my mouth.. Said do not resist the one who is evil.. If you're not going to do that though it implies not to just keep it somewhere in the middle, so if they slash we are going to hit force with force it needs to be the job being done right? I hate this world sucks so bad. But the Bible said what it said and i guess it goes that way whatever we talk about.

[@carlmorgan8452]

Bible says there will be wars in the heavens / this stuff here is making sense. The end is coming soon.

[@HavingCoffieWithMrSatan]

Mr Satan said reeeeeeee

[@cdracing]

Hi gruesome

[@teridacktaljones4553]

🐼

[@PatSen]

Ummm. Incoherent man.

[@glennmitchell9107]

Typical nerd talk, can't help not tripping over his own tongue.

[@ronniecheong2146]

Anti china propaganda very bias n arrogant

[@jasonbutt7199]

Somethings might happen 12 noon on 2/14 /24

[@kittybrowneye3163]

Lol 😂 the us does the exact samething to Russia. Warsaw packed, Minsk accords 1, Minsk accords 2. Not one inch to the east. You guys are hilarious