(267) The Fesarius and the First Federation (More Advanced Than Anyone in the Galaxy)

In today's episode of Truth OR Myth Beta, we're taking a look at the Fesarius and the First federation, as first seen in the Star Trek: The Original Series episode The Corbomite Manuever! I hope you enjoy!
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[@STho205]

One of those too powerful to keep around civilizations that magically got forgotten after credits roll. Talosians, Metrons, First Federeration, Shore Leave builders, the Guardian of Time, ...and that was just season 1.

[@STho205]

Sometimes they hung a lantern on it like Arena, Charlie X, The Menagerie Sometimes they left it open and hanging. Imagine what Mudd or the Klingons would do with The Guardian.

[@kevin9218]

They actually did bring back a reference to the first federation in deep space 9. Quark serves tranya at one point, which is the drink that the FF captain offers Kirk.

[@mekkler]

Asking the First Federation to join the UFP is the pinnacle of hubris. Like asking the UFP to join my table-top gaming group. The reason they're taking so long is because they are still laughing.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Lol, you asked them didn't you?

[@charlestaylor253]

They're a diminutive, good-natured race that loves their Tranya...😉

[@winterbas8927]

​@@TriAngulumAudioStudios He must have asked them! The bitterness is tangible 😮

[@paradoxstate5018]

@@winterbas8927 dang I was going to ask them to join my D'n'D game ;)

[@xzardas541]

They are still laughing thier spaceballs off.

[@davitto01]

"Ah crap, we have written this uber powerful peaceful race. How do we stop them from joining the Federation and making them too powerful?....bureaucracy!"

[@KronosGodwisen]

The First Federation is wily. UFP races probably weren't contacted because we might seem like simpletons to them. That doesn't mean they weren't watching us. They were also no doubt also aware of the ascended races in the galaxy. They are mentally a half step above us. We're like their wacky neighbor. The whole thing had to be a set up. They abducted a Starfleet officer to study and made it look like it was his own idea. That we entered their space was probably an event of their own choosing as a way of making first contact. Perhaps the Enterprise was chosen because it interested them. It's such a great Star Trek episode because Kirk is put in a no win situation and still finds a way to win. Quite amusing. I don't we can engage them in such a straight forward way as getting them into a treaty. It might be a little too simple minded to them.

[@marcmanalli]

We had a model of this ship back in the 70's. There were no other Star Trek models or toys displayed and only a couple of us kids were fans of the show in the household. It hung right above the breakfast table in the kitchen and you could light it up with a swtch on the wall.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

🙄

[@marcmanalli]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios True story! 😂

[@davedsilva]

@@marcmanalliWe had one 😂

[@frostbyte1134]

😂

[@VinnieCruz-jt7zm]

When and where can I get this if possible😮❤

[@scifiguy810]

The First Federation absolutely left the Federation on Read with that response. 🤣

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL

[@Slartibartifast]

I want the whole Voyager story!!!! And even after all these years, it's still funny to see Balock and not think, you are Ron Howard's brother! LOL Clint Howard is awesome.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Indeed he is!

[@Sigurther]

I knew he looked familiar!

[@FarSeeker8]

Too bad they dubbed his voice. However, is there actually a Voyager episode as described, or is that a book/fan fiction?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Its in the Short Stories Novel Strange Mew Worlds, with the story being called Ambassador At Large!

[@jasonaich8071]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Ohhh that sounds interesting! I was wondering if you based the Voyager encounter on an existing story or just made it up… Will have to track it down!

[@cross3052]

Basic geometric shapes would make quite good starship designs. Especially spheres as they have a lot of internal volume and are very durable for whatever size they are.

[@georgesulea]

THAT'S A-SPICEY SPACE MEAT BALL!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Lol Itsa Me, MARIO

[@DMSProduktions]

MMMmmm meaaatt baaaalllll aaarrrgghhh...

[@whirledpeaz5758]

Makes me wonder how much more advanced the First Federation has become in the 32nd century.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Makes me wonder if they even ARE still developing technology by then, or have they reached the pinnacle of technological development?

[@noahbody9875]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I just hope they didn't build their own version of the Great Machine.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

"...No, not the one!"

[@MagnanimousEntropy]

If i recall the story involving Voyager correctly, then it was apparent that the First Federations technology was superior to that of the Borg, as they were unable to assimilate them.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

That IS correct!

[@QuinnMallory-od1hw]

I don't remember any such episode, was it a book?

[@VinnieCruz-jt7zm]

There is a book where Voyager meets the sphere 😊

[@MagnanimousEntropy]

@@QuinnMallory-od1hw Yes, it was a collection of anthology stories.

[@larqven0192]

By the Federation's and Starfleet's own rules revolving around the Prime Directive--the Federation isn't ready to join THEM! Certainly the same goes for sharing technology, It's like the snooty advanced aliens from VOYAGER who theoretically could have transported Voyager halfway across the galaxy. Similar rules caused them to treat tech sharing with Voyager like Starfleet treats less advanced races. The First Federation are like the Metrons in that someday the Federation will be worth dealing with, but not yet. The First Federation being highly advanced, but not yet godlike, still mortal enough to at least deign to talk to the primitives, maybe trade some low end items--but join with them? THAT being said, on the other hand, there is also a powerful sense of 'hollowness' to both the Fesarius and the First Federation. I do see them as a contracted, 'Fallen Empire' sort of interstellar civilization. I don't see the Fesarius as this magnificent and grand starship; to me the 'Fesarius', the TRUE Fesarius WAS the comparatively tiny craft Balock made his revelation known. When Balock took Kirk and company on the tour, he was showing them THE ship. What was the rest of the great big golf ball? To me, it was a shell designed to impress and frighten. Sure, it was probably powered and had devices, weapons and shields and stuff, but really, it was 90% a fraud. EVERYTHING that Balock before his big reveal might be a fabrication. So even the First Federation's existence and nature is unknown. The First Federation might well just be a small collection of star systems inhabited by a decadent civ in long decline. Advanced to be sure, but not as advanced as they'd lead outsiders to believe, in systems that are resource strapped and everything is recycled. They might well have weapons to defend themselves, but their first line of defense is a 'scarecrow' giant ship. So, I sort of suspect that by 32nd C Starfleet standards, the Fesarius is like a parade float; a little, simple vehicle with a lot of dressing.

[@KevinSchwinkendorf]

So, what you're saying is, the Fesarius itself might just be a big ball of corbomite?

[@JonnyHolms]

This was excellent 👏,.really enjoyed this and all of the information that I didn't even know about...

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you so much! So glad you enjoyed it Jonny!

[@Exaris79]

In the ShatnerVerse Dark Victory novel, Kirk knows the location of the Fesarius home shipyard inside an asteroid near the Federation space. It was large enough to house over dozen Fesarius class ships inside it and there were already some built when the Ent-E went there. After the end of the novel, Starfleet took possession of the shipyard. Since the First Federation already has a lot of them&doesn't require a lot of resources to make more, they can spare one for Kirk.

[@MinasTsambanis]

It reminds me of a Dyson Sphere! Plus the Fesarius sounds like a good adversary against the Borg.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Far, FAR smaller than a Dyson Sphere! Also, the Borg are no match for them!

[@Willpower-74205]

The Fesarius makes me think of Christmas decorations for some reason.... 🖖😁👍

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Lol lol lol I wonder why... 🤔 lol

[@raywood8187]

Cool idea! Little starships and space stations decorating the tree.

[@kellysavage7073]

when i was a kid I told my mom and dad it looked like a big christmas ball that escaped from its tree and just was found by the enterprise.

[@PatrickMcGowan-ch4ho]

Just think of a Fesarian crewman on a Federation starship, it'd be like exploring the universe using stone tools and bearskins.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

I feel so bad for the federation with the first, an example of waiting for someone til you have a mile long beard

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I know right? Imagine exploring the Galaxy long before there was anything interesting to see!

[@SuperGamefreak18]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios yeah it’s easy to forget that not even the iconians I think existed when they were a young government

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

They might have, I haven't done a ton of research to confirm that, with dates being in flux over most of Beta Canon... But Id venture to say, the First Federation was definitely the first out there...

[@SuperGamefreak18]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios not wrong there and well that was so long ago in lore as well few are around to know about those times

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Maybe one day, Starfleet will gain access to all that Early Galactic History...

[@xzardas541]

That invitation was like getting federation offer from primitives that just entered space era in stellaris.

[@MegaProchef]

I love Orktober so much, what a great series

[@tihoprskalo7719]

I can't say if KZbin recommended me this, I think it did for sure❣ 🖖🏻

[@AWriterWandering]

Something tells me they really like disco

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Hmmmm... I don't see why... lol

[@kineuhansen8629]

nice joke

[@davidleblanc5271]

The Fesarius reminds me of a huge golf ball- Fore

[@raywood8187]

Cheers, have a cup of Tranya with me!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Already poured! Lol

[@mjpbase1]

I'm thinking that was Tang (IRL as was the style of the time for astronauts).

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Actually, The tranya that Balok served the crew was, in fact, grapefruit juice, which young Clint Howard absolutely hated.

[@mjpbase1]

@TriAngulumAudioStudios Neat to know. Thanks.

[@lantastic1]

Clint Howard should have a guest starring role on an upcoming episode reconnecting the UFP with the FF.

[@twitchew]

after he and baily have broken up...

[@Cauin450]

Christmas came early! Thank you.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

You're very welcome!

[@Cauin450]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Reminds me of that old Persian belief that you should argue every issue twice; once while sober and once while drunk. That might be the reason why it's taking so long...sobering up from a Tranya binge!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Lol indeed... Mmmmmmm Tranya... lol

[@darrinwebber4077]

Just one of so many of TSO's many plots that were never followed up by later shows and or films.

[@phoenixmerrick]

Reminds me of another iconic Star Trek ship. A large decentralized warp design with overly powered tractor beam tech and a difficultly of taking a beauty shot. A borg cube.

[@walterblanc9708]

Yes! Would have given a Borg cube a good pasting.

[@hunterpdx7061]

I've always wondered whatever happened to the First Federation. I had assumed they were one of those TOS era hyper-advanced races we see only once and never talk about again, like the Metrons. It reminds me a lot Babylon 5 and their "Elder Races". Had their presence persisted, maybe they could have become like the Vorlons of the Federation? I imagine that, if they had said "Yes", it would have just been to keep and eye on us and/or influence us. Maybe I should read that story. Balok, tho. 😕Trying to reconcile Balok with anything just sort of sucks 😄

[@michaelchadwick8261]

"That's no moon." . . . 🤣

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Lol

[@HMSVanguard46]

Excellent my friend :)

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Many thanks!! (as always!) :)

[@jaredcolon4535]

Now I want to see it fight against the Borg

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

The Borg are not match for the First Federation!

[@RedneckSpaceman]

"This is Tranya!!"... Kirk: "We have a similar drink on Earth!! We call it Tang!!"😁

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I don't think tang has Alcohol... LOL

[@bryanabbott6169]

I don't know if the First Federation was mentioned during the Dominion War arc in DS9 (during the run of the show or in Beta cannon), but I can see the Dominion initially thinking they could bully the First Federation into submission if they didn't sign their non-aggression pact treaty that was offered to non-Federation governments. After all, look how small the First Federation was in comparison to the Dominion, the UFP, as well as the Klingon and Romulan Empires. Surely that means they are only able to handle a few planets.... 😉

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

The First Federation was not involved at all in the Dominion War... It was also too far away to be of any concern to the Dominion!

[@bryanabbott6169]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Either that, or the Dominion got bored waiting for the First Federation's reply to the treaty. 😴😆

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Lol no, it was as I stated above lol 🤣🤣

[@arrjay2410]

I would imagine that things like this would happen many times to the Federation. Ask a peoples to join and get met by either stony silence, or a 'we'll get back to you, on that.'

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Far less actually, than you would think!

[@mjpbase1]

Deep beta cannon but I remember a story that the Fasauris was an asteroid mining/towing ship, hence its overpowered tractor. Read decades ago. Reference?

[@Area51byDaveReale]

I think the UFP is being ghosted.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Lol, you dont say! Lol

[@dominik8005]

love this video

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you so much Dom :)

[@dominik8005]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios No Problem

[@almirria6753]

I really enjoyed this vid. Please do more of the orignail series ships

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Dont worry! More are coming!

[@Deson_Bowenford]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I for one would love to see you do some of the ones from the animated series. Mainly the ones from "Sharper than a serpent's tooth" and "Beyond the farthest star." Those were some fascinating designs.

[@kineuhansen8629]

man imagine if they are as advances as they claime they are just imagine what they could do to the borg or tholians

[@XHunter442]

Ty for the video and llap!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

You are very welcome! Pall!

[@josesolty]

Hi. Can you cover of what became of the xindi during the tmp era and beyond?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Maybe 1 day!

[@raenfox]

I had always assumed the First Federation was just something Baeloc made up as part of his test.

[@PhilDrury]

I was wondering when you'd do this one. I wonder if lt Bailey was taking loads of photographs during their exploration.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Lol I doubt it! Lol

[@PhilDrury]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Probably not, but with the character having the same name as the photographer, I had to say it.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL I understand! LOL

[@twitchew]

lt. Bailey and Commander Balok - memory Alpha historians will describe them as "roommates".

[@eldergroan]

i thought it was called the "Tresaurious." Subtitles on the dvd's must have cleared that up, where mere audio from the tv could not.

[@TrentonBennett]

Great job on this. I could see why the First Federation wouldn't join Starfleet as a member world. They missed a great opportunity especially by the 24th Century. I could only imagine how they would have tipped the war in Starfleet's favor against The Dominion. That is a nice story arc about Lieutenant Kevin Bailey being rescued by Voyager.

[@PaulHFleming]

Would you give us more background upon the Thoian Assembly. The nature of the energy Webs as seen in Star Trek -TOS

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Yes, in the future, I certainly will be :)

[@kiraking87]

what about the Intrepid-class starship? i just look and you have not done one it on.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

There are many ships I havent done yet, thousands in fact, please be patient... This is not my job, this is my hobby, and I will eventually get to ALL ships!

[@braderickson9996]

Someone, check me on this. I think this is the first time anyone has done anything on the Fesarius. The real bonus, is the story on the First Federation. Also, don't give me that stardust stuff. Until superseded, what you write is canon. You are tuned into Trek, in such a way, is downright amazing. (By the way, Star Trek The Motion Picture, is the best Trek movie)

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well thank you so much for all the support...

[@VinnieCruz-jt7zm]

And is Trerlene part of Q or early version of the Q

[@James-hs3tu]

THEY should make a few EPISODES. IN SNW. INTERESTING.

[@zerrodefex]

2KM in diameter and only room for 7000 people? Either the crew quarters each the size of a mansion or much of the ship was cargo space.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Or a combination of the above, along with ALL the other necessary amenities required for a population of 7000...

[@twitchew]

look , they need a lot of room to spread out , all the special robes and headbands alone would take up vast warehouses

[@davidjakiela9553]

Looks about the same size as a death Star

[@Isteak80]

Wow and here I thought the Ents took a long time to decide anything.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

The Ents?

[@CtrlOptDel]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudiosThe tree people from The Lord of the Rings.

[@CtrlOptDel]

I was trying to think of an “Ent-erprise” pun 😂

[@daviddyster4145]

I sure would love to see the first federation reintroduced into this new era of trek.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

You never know!

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

Hey make a video of the starship that was piloted by a certain feathered serpent :P

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I would love too! Do you have a 4k 3d Model of it? :P

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

​@TriAngulumAudioStudios unfortunately no 😒 I think a person on Deviant Art had a 3d model, other than that I've never seen anyone else have one. Hey it might be a good project for you to work on, given it's rarity.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Except Im not a 3d Modeler... I can kitbash model together no problem, but creating a model, it's far beyond my skills... So if no model exists, I cant do it!

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios nuts. Perhaps in the future someone might present one. Hopefully someone reading the comments

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Keep your fingers crossed! :)

[@sighsgkj]

hopefully they weren't done in by the big dilithium boom?

[@JohnFinzel]

I'm sorry but you would think that if Janeway and her crew had met up with the Fesarius that that would be a pretty good episode to put on tv.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Why? Just because you said so? Tge missed opportunities (due to expense issues or simply not thought of) is EXACTLY what Novels are for!

[@JohnFinzel]

@TriAngulumAudioStudios fair enough!

[@shaggycan]

"There's another ship coming in! ... It's the Fesarius" Star Trek V should have been about The First Federation merging with the Federation. Could have brought back Bailey.

[@ZeroDarkness-]

I wonder if First Federation and Sphere Builder or even the race that created Borg is somehow related in some way

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No they are not related at all!

[@BoisegangGaming]

6:58 lmao what are those outfits

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Best Alien Outfits EVER, that's what! Lol

[@scifiguy26]

Fun fact the Fesarius model in the original effects was made out of ping pong balls

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Actually, you are incorrect... "the model was a big ball endowed with "a pair of dimmers to make the model ship pulsate with power. The model was covered with sliced ping-pong balls."

[@scifiguy26]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios you're right I meant ping pong I read it so long ago I forgot thanks for the correction 👍

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No problem, I thinks it's always better to have a fact that is actually a fact ;) :P And thank you for editing your original comment to omit the golf balls :P

[@Orodreth888]

Ah I wondered what this was about when encountering the system in Star Trek Online. In a philosophical approach, people raise the question of what still drives a federation that has achieved, experienced and seen perhaps everything there is to experience. Could you have achieved immortality with your knowledge and what would you have been doing all this time? At some point, a consciousness has experienced everything, even if the body is still mortal. I assume that they have found a way to let their minds grow with the progress of technology, instead of technology leaving the mind behind. There are some interesting thought experiments that "accompany" humans as the universe progresses. A universe that eventually dies, so that there is no more energy left that can be utilised for continued digital existence of thought itself - aka being alife. These people do not have significantly more developed consciousnesses than we do and therefore aware of the end try to delay it as much as possible until it eventually ends. So it is a rather sad story. However I imagine with a endless increase in processing power consciousness at some point becomes something different. This went way deeper than I planed. But still... the hell are they doing all day not leaving home at all?

[@johnassal5838]

So did the Dominion War come anywhere near the border of the First Federation?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No, they were nowhere near and not involved in the Dominion War!

[@phils4634]

If this extended civilisation had mastered FTL long before we had mastered bipedal locomotion, then it is reasonable to imagine that they would have explored other galaxies, possibly many (as in thousands, maybe millions) by the time humanity had even started developing the very earliest FTL capability. This would also apply to rapid information transfer, so although we are told that their "debating process" is slow owing to the need to include all their people (on presumably an equal right to be heard platform), this is unlikely to be the case, since they could (and no doubt would) have the means to debate inclusively, yet amazingly quickly. The reality is that, as an almost certainly pan-Galactic association, the UFP would provide very little interest to them. They are so very far ahead of us that the gap is for all intents and purposes insuperable. A gap that is tens of orders of magnitude greater than that between the local gardening club, and the United Nations!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well no, you are incorrect on all fronts! Just because you can do a thing (Travel FTL) doesnt mean you Have to do that thing! And they didnt! After the disappointing exploration of the Galaxy, the First Federation merely turned inward, shut their borders and worked on bettering themselves... And as the video already said, they indeed had a slow debating process being a direct democracy!

[@phils4634]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Well, I don't follow Star Trek at all, so the associated lore is meaningless. In a "real" reality, I certainly expect my suggestions to be correct, and such a civilisation to eventually be pan-Galactic. In effect a Kardashev Level 4 (or maybe even 5) civilisation. It might also eventuate that such a civilisation may no longer be corporeal in any sense, and may have more in common with the Cosmic AC in Asimov's "The Last Question".

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Nah not really... Again, just because someone can do a thing, does not mean they should or will do that thing! Xenophobia is a thing too you know... And leaving a comment on a Star Trek video, without understanding the lore or context is strange to say the least... Anyhow Im closing this thread off here as you're just running around in circles now! Take care! (THREAD CLOSED- No further comments will appear to prevent a circular argument)

[@t3h51d3w1nd3r]

The Krenim temporal war ship was wandering the delta quadrant at the same time as Kirk maybe before, they said they’d been going for over 200yrs so would that ship not be most advanced at the time?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No? Why would it be? When the First Federation's ship were wandering the Galaxy Many Millennia before the Krenim even had space flight?

[@t3h51d3w1nd3r]

⁠@@TriAngulumAudioStudiosThey might’ve been around longer but they’ve plateaued technologically, a temporal warp ship is more advanced than a warp ship. It might be fast but so what, we see it throw around a Connie but throwing around a 200 yrs newer ship is more impressive and Voyager couldn’t stand up to the krenim ship which again was from Kirk’s era or before, they only defeated them cause the crew sabotaged the ship. Maybe the fesarius has temporal shields but we never see it.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Uh no, because you're making a huge assumption that the First Federation never developed that technology? What makes you think that? Just because people have a Nuclear Bomb, doesn't mean they use it! That's the HUGE flaw in your logic! The First Federation had long ago discovered the dangers of such technology and in an enlightened way, decided no longer to use it... Thus, they were STILL far more advanced than the Krenim!

[@sjTHEfirst]

Was it bigger than the Death Star, how many of the class existed, and most importantly how many bowling alleys were onboard?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I do not know what this "Death Star" you mention is... And the First Federation never had bowling! That was a human invention!

[@CannonRanger1]

Lose/kill your navigator and best friend who turned into a mad god. Get a new navigator. Beam on board the ship that threatened to kill you. Drink some weird liquid that Opie's younger brother gives you. Abandon your new navigator there because why not. I wonder if Chekov new what he was getting himself into?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Huh? What does any of that have to do with the Fesarius or the First Federation?

[@CannonRanger1]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios don't get me wrong. The Fesarius is an incredible ship and you did a magnificent job! Kirk just had a bad run of navigators in the beginning.

[@kirishima638]

Do the Gorn next!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

The Gorn ARE coming, but not for a while yet!

[@user-be2dt8eg2x]

They're more advanced than anybody still using matter spaceships. The Metrons and Organians would probably be on another level over the FF. And Sargon too.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Sargon No, Metrons and Organians do not count, as they are energy beings now, no longer using technology! So apples to oranges...

[@Orgruk]

When I saw it, I was thinking Balok was the last of his species, though that's never explicitly stated. Like the last guardian of the Tkon Empire in TNG.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

You know what they say about assumptions! Especially when there is not even a hint of what you thought to be true in the episode or otherwise...

[@JohnFinzel]

Still I like these stories mainly due to the fact that so far you have maintained a non political point of view as far as the franchise is concerned. Keep up the good work.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well politics is not what this channel is here for!

[@JohnFinzel]

@TriAngulumAudioStudios and I thank You and God for that.

[@Renwoxing13]

By the time they decide to join the federation, most of all their important technologies would have been independently invented by the United Federation of Planets ! We would get a few interesting and unique techs, but likely most of the important stuff would be on the verge of being brokethrough or already discovered ! So basically, I don't think we would get much use from them if they joined. Seems like they would become nothing more than a protectorate. A place we are forced to defend without them helping us when we need it ? Unless by joining the Federation you automatically sign up to provide ships for the UFP ? I know there would at least be resource sharing by all members to get the ships built, but does the membership include using your own ships in defend of the UFP ? [Even my reaource 'take' is an assumption... time for some interesting reading ! ]

[@Sketchschmidt]

you should do the uss gotham class !!!!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

The Gotham Class is a fan design, and generally speaking, I dont do other people's fan designs for various obvious, reasons !!!!

[@Sketchschmidt]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios ohhh ok ty sir

[@toddfraser3353]

I could see the Borg being an offshoot or a rebel group of the First Federation. Too impatient with the cultures more extream view of individuality, they decided to create a new culture just as extream but with only one mind.

[@charlestaylor253]

Nah. Too short to make decent Drones... 😉

[@calebwyman5510]

What I would like you to do is make a video about the old new warp scale. I look up on KZbin and they have nothing about it. Just something about making a goddamn quilt.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Uh I already have, many times, starting ALONG time ago, if you had actually bothered to check rather than complain! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmK1l2Rnrcl2oZI and kzbin.info/www/bejne/fITSeal-oa2HmLc and kzbin.info/www/bejne/hp6pqmlsjMtpo9E and kzbin.info/www/bejne/l52ri4lrrsqYrac all cover it... So next time, actually check before whining... It will ensure you don't look so foolish next time!

[@calebwyman5510]

@ that’s great why don’t you make the video?

[@calebwyman5510]

@ if you want if you want, I can make a video in about 10 seconds but no one watches my fucking KZbin channel

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Maybe no one watches you, because of how you are? Just a thought... And as I already commented, I already HAVE made many videos on the topic and listed 4 of them, if you had actually bothered to look!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

And this thread is CLOSED! To allow you time to process your further mistakes...

[@walterlyzohub8112]

I just thought now their worlds have a relatively low population density. This might make them not being in a hurry and saw a lot of what happened to UFP.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Where did you get the idea their worlds have a low population density? They dont...

[@sciguyjeff]

Personally, I thought the Fesarius as one ship. There were no more. The ship was overblown, sure, it had a strong tractor beam but... that was it. I think Balok and the Fesarius had the whole UFP tricked.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No, where did you get that idea? Do the Borg have 1 cube? Do the Voth have 1 city ship? Etc etc

[@spccolts]

The Fesarius has no weapons, it doesn't need them. It's computer core can easily overwhelm any ship it in counters and shut them down. So they can take control of a Klingon, Romulan with a push of a button.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Sorry, you are incorrect, it DOES have weapons, but simply not ones we know of understand!

[@macsnafu]

I really have to wonder how the First Federation would do against the Borg...

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

The Borg are no match for them!

[@eddieschwab864]

Is it just me or would it be bad for him to send a dreadnought fur friendly negotiations. It would make a lot more sense to send the Enterprise or another Constitution class starship with a diplomatic team. That to me is a recipe for disaster using a Dreadnought in much the same way as on Babylon 5 with the first Contact between Earth Alliance and the Minbari, due to a misunderstanding because they had their gun ports open. In my opinion United Federation of planets sending a Dreadnought to meet with first Federation would carry the same message.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Yes it's just you for several reasons! First, the Federation was no threat to the First Federation, so it wouldn't matter WHAT vessel class they sent. Second, this was second contact, not first, like the B5 Situation, with the First Federation already well informed about Starfleet and the UFP! Third (and Lastly) Starfleet wasn't sending a Dreadnought to intimidate or fight the First Federation, but rather to show them a more advanced Vessel design they had, trying to close the gap (unsuccessfully) Tech-wise, between them. So in the end, your logic is flawed for those very specific reasons!

[@src6339]

And yet in all of Bashir's projections, the intervention of any single alpha quadrent power could not turn back the tide of the dominion advance, which presumably inclueded the first federation 🤔

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No, the First Federation did not involve themselves in the Dominion War!

[@jefferydaniels6717]

The Fesarius was a mining ship in cannon iirc

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No it wasnt! And not sure where you got that idea!

[@erikerice9068]

Don't they remind you of the ancient trees trying to make a decision in Lord Of The Rings?🤔

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Im not familiar with the Lord of the Rings tbh...

[@congaspy2058]

A Fallen Empire if I've ever seen one

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Not at all! The First Federation has existed for longer than any other Galactic Power and has never lost a single member... So how can you even begin to attempt to say it's a fallen empire? That doesn't make sense!

[@attila535]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios In the game of Stellaris there are these fallen empires, who in the past had massive territories, but due to various circumstances have shrunk to a couple of systems and are super isolationist, unless provoked.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Right, but this is not that type of situation at all... The First Federation still has the same amount of territory they always had, and have never lost a member... So again, I dont see how they could even begin to be a fallen empire!

[@TheJKCrawford]

The Fesarius had a diameter of 2 km? Not bloody likely. The scale demonstrated in the episode would seem to indicate a diameter of more like 100 km.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thats its measurements, and Trek has ALWAYS been bad matching ship measurements on screen, So I wouldn't try standing on that particular ant hill! See Klingon Bird of Prey and USS Defiant for other examples!

[@deloreanrc]

Am I the only one thinking its entirely possible the First Federation has not advanced anymore than the 23rd century and thus by the time ships like the Wells class are being made in the 27th century; the Fesarius would actually be considered outdated to say nothing of 32nd century vessels if it even survived to that time period.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Pretty much yes, as canon is CLEAR that they are FAR more advanced than the Federation! The episode clearly demonstrates this...

[@fernandodepaulasouza9053]

It is possible that the metrons have power and technology comparable to first federation

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

That's an interesting question I will be exploring in the future ;)

[@heatheradams4221]

Maybe the Borg got them.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No, they didn't

[@ShionWinkler]

"More Advanced Than Anyone in the Galaxy" You mean besides the Q.. clearly.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No, I mean of those that are still corporeal lifeforms! Clearly.

[@equinsuocha8905]

You guys are giving the FF too much credit. One of their top commanders was thwarted by a bluff. They might be ancient, but they certainly aren’t that wise.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Balok never intended to destroy the Enterprise, the whole scenario was designed to allow the First Federation to determine if the information they had about Starfleet and the UFP was true or not, right down to faking the distress his little pilot vessel was in! So he wasn't thwarted by anything, but rather playing along!

[@mattnoble2100]

You want to play with a real mystery ship? You need to look up at Star Trek the animated series episode beyond the farthest star it may be the only vessel that comes anywhere close to the thesaurus Mass,

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Lol Ive been a Trek Fan for 50 years, have seen all the Episodes of all the series and all the movies more times than I csn count, so I dont need to look it up :) In future, you can just talk to me directly about the topic :)

[@traviswebb5094]

Your story couldn't help to make me think of the Ents.

[@NeverDoneEver]

I'm sorry you're stuck with Windows.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you, but Im not stuck with Windows, I choose windows as it's easier to include all the programs I need!

[@NeverDoneEver]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I was joking. My son uses Windows for the same reason. I don't need very specific programs so I get by with Linux.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

It's a necessary evil I guess LOL

[@jkleylein]

This was actually the first in a long series of missteps by Star Trek writers who still didn't know what they were working with. This was the first regular episode aired when the show was picked up and no one saw what the implications of such a technology would be for the show. It was a stupid-big ship. That's why it was memory-holed and never seen again.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Sorry, but you're incorrect on ALL fronts... First off, The Corbomite Maneuver was NOT the first regular episode aired after being picked up, that honor fell to The Mantrap, with Mudds Women, The Enemy Within, The Naked Time, Charlie X, What Are Little Girls Made Of and Dagger of the Mind and Miri ALL airing before this episode... So that's your first mistake. Second, The Corbomite Maneuver is a fan favorite episode, with the majority of fandom loving it... Making your "mistep" comment also just plain wrong! Lastly, it was never "memory-holed" as you said, but simply not something they decided to pick up on again as they didnt need too! The Original episode did it's job on its own and TV at the time didnt often revisit storylines that were all tied up nicely by the end of the episode... So all way round, your comments are jyst wrong, and all you have is a personal dislike for an episode that fandom as whole loves! Also in future, you might want to do better research before making statements of fact that arent actually true... (THREAD CLOSED- No further comments will appear to allow OP to reflect upon their mistakes)

[@philippschmidt80]

We should all just accept that the First Federation doesn't exist. It's clearly an early element that Star Trek introduced and then dropped, reusing the name for the Federation when it was decided that Kirk's Enterprise wasn't an earth ship but one operated by a multi species alliance.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Uh no! But first, why did you like your own comment? Pretty shady, attempting to make it look like it has support when it doesn't! Second, canon doesn't work that way! And as it's canon, it's you that needs to accept it exists, will always exist, snd move on! 🙄 And PS, your also wrong about your "Earth Ship" comment... The Enterprise, as stated in Canon, was under the operational Control of UESPA during its 5 year mission! Also since it was built at Earth, by humanity, it could definitely be considered an "Earth Ship" in the vernacular!

[@calebwyman5510]

Once again, I’m not a fan of the Voyager episode when they go war 10 I’m not I’ll talk about it but the people in this group like to attack me about it war 17 you just proved my point. Voyager sucks.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Once again, and Ill explain this to you for the last time, The Original Series Warp Scale is DIFFERENT to the one used in the TNG Era... After the failed Excelsior Transwarp Experiment, the federation had learned far more about Warp Travel that in the Early 24th Century they RE-WROTE the warp Scale, making every speed after Warp 1 a Different Velocity with warp 10 being Infinite warp. So You can dislike Voyager all you want but a) Your personal opinion is just that, a personal opinion that does not coincide with the majority and b) You've got nothing factually to back that opinion up! And finally, STOP with the nonsense, this is final warning... Explaining things to you when you're wrong is NOT an attack so playing the "victim" card just makes you look foolish! Also, if you're going to quote this channel in your comment, make sure you quote it correctly, as "all OLD Warp Scale of course" was clearly the line which explained the Warp 17 comment. If you attempt to bring this conversation up again (EVER) as it has now been explained to you repeatedly in various comments, than you will be banned and your comments erased. This channel is dedicated to a love of Trek, not a single fans obsession with trying to be right while play the victim! The End, got it? (THREAD CLOSED- No further comments will appear to allow the OP time to reflect upon their bad behaviour)

[@pillepolle3122]

lmao this is utter nonsense

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

lMao, the only thing that it utter nonsense here is your comment LOL LOL LOL