27- Introducing The Vector

[@vitabutroli2218]

Totally confused. I understood the opposition and drawing a vector at setup from club head to trail foot. Pointing a rifle analogy was helpful. What happens to the vector in the backswing and the wrists hinge? What does it mean to "keep the vector"? Are you still trying to feel like keeping the club head as far away from your trail foot as possible like your pulling a rubber band? How about the downswing? Are you still supposed to feel like the apex and base are pulled apart as far as possible? Can you draw some lines so we can see how the vector is kept at different points of the swing? Is there anything here besides the setup that can be practically implemented?

[@arisandrews5672]

I think the Olympic hammer throw is the best demonstration of the vector Martin is talking about , Am I close ?

[@OfCourseICan]

I knew Martin's swing was beyond peer but have always found it difficult to get on the orbit in a fluent way! Like "The Kyballion" that I have read at least 6 times, I have watched this multiple times and this profound stuff. Thank You Sir.

[@davidrabian1281]

"Opposition" was EVERYTHING I needed to complete my swing "puzzle". I couldn't believe it, it really is THAT EASY. So damned simple! THANK YOU Martin and John. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[@briantimlin2650]

I’ve some questions on setup Martin. I’m taking your advise to see the shot, then step in and build the vector apex to base. This is what happened for me: I wanted to get in closer to the ball than before, kinda John Rahm esque. Is that normal for your students? I also felt the energy wanting to pull my arms more in connection with my body and maybe more together also. Is that what you find too? The other thing was the shot shape and trajectory. Do you just automatically step into that by seeing it and setting up the vector to what you saw? I was a little hit and miss with that but maybe it’s just practise. I did half the time hit the shot I saw and without changing my action I don’t think. It was more from the setup. One last thing I noticed was I don’t have to get aggressive with it. At the start I was even swinging Rahmesque and that’s not really my swing. I more in between tempo wise and also with plane. So when I setup the directions, drag and alignment in a more calm way I was ready to swing at a more medium tempo.

[@MartinAyersGolf]

You’re speaking to two distinct things in your questions. Really good questions btw… First is the locating for flush (which could be in any direction). Then you move around the ball and adapt your structure (to give you the specific vector) to the specific shot without giving up your flush location.

[@briantimlin2650]

@@MartinAyersGolf thanks Martin. I’ll work with it from that basis.

[@12piecebucket]

I have a question on the vector…I understand the line from end to end and back from apex to feet and back slinky deal…but is the orientation of the vector also in relation to the target/targeting along the ground or target line too?

[@jmm4081]

What is the vector??? How is that one direction?? The club goes in a loop

[@JerryCappuccino]

Martin- I get what you’re saying but how do you create the force that makes the vector. What muscles are you using in setup. Thanks much appreciated.

[@MartinAyersGolf]

The vector is the aligned structure from base to apex. You create the vector by using the drag concept, from end to end. One end at a time in sequence. The specifics of that are best found by the player achieving their version of the above. I will be going into greater detail on this channel in the future, but for now I just want to talk about “what” the swing is and what to do to create it. “How” you do that is ultimately always up to the individual. One thing I can say that at least gives you some direction is that it’s all of you, all the way. Everything from top to toe should be part of creating the long line of drag.

[@yeshuahosanna]

Merry Christmas guys!! I've watched, enjoyed and seemingly understood the opposition, alignment and vectors but I'm having many issues with my club face. I've hit some good shots but many of my attempts have been what seem to be an open club face causing a horrible shank-like feel.... should I be manipulating the club face on the downward side of the swing?

[@yeshuahosanna]

Maybe I just need to create opposition on the downward ("transition") side of the swing as well... yes, that keeping of apex far away from the base with opposition at the top seems to be the trick! Just needed to re-watch and understand the steering wheel demonstration! Cheers!!

[@MartinAyersGolf]

Just maintain the drag pressure you have at the start as you discovered. :)

[@heronpete]

What works for me Ralph is visualising a baseball pitching machine with the 2 wheels going in opposite directions and letting them spin freely with no interference and the ball spits out like a rocket. The interference is what causes the slices and shanks. 'when the club is behind you its safe'

[@garre71]

Vector. What does that mean? Tried to translate it to Swedish and there was several meanings. Do you have another word for that?

[@MartinAyersGolf]

A "Vector" has two properties, magnitude and direction. I chose that term because one of the fundamentals is already "One Direction" of motion (the orbit of the club around you). So the vector is the amount of, and direction of the drag between base and apex relative to you, technically.

[@garre71]

​​@@MartinAyersGolf Thanks! Not sure but is it like the amount of resistence/opposition in that direction you want to hit? I have another question. If you would stand on a weight shift board like that one that zen golf uses. What would that look like with your swing?

[@Goobiverse]

Happy new year Martin! I understood vector which suggests that it’s the force / stretch / and all of the alignment that anchors the swing construct. Am I right? However, the video didn’t ring a bell how I should create it every single time and then let direction of the club head (apex) take over. Sorry, I hope I make some sense

[@Goobiverse]

And I say this because I don’t see you folded over in opposition at address. It’s probably dynamic as you start the swing but couldn’t spot it at address or your swing

[@MartinAyersGolf]

It's just disguised at address. The reason I call it a hidden fundamental. I am truly maxing out the opposition in rotation. It's somewhat shocking to me how it's only visible if you are looking for it.

[@Goobiverse]

@@MartinAyersGolf Martin- can I contact you on your personal email and if you could share your address? I’d love to ask you a few questions

[@MartinAyersGolf]

read the description in any video. :)

[@jmm4081]

I don’t see a vector. I see lots of movement, but none of them still in “one direction”. I just don’t understand.

[@DIZGOLF]

This is exactly how I found the brakes to my one motion swing 🤯

[@09Youba]

N My understanding was that Martin is explaining the Project and JH would be interrupting the message to a simpler explanation for all levels of golfers.

[@rjm8735]

Makes sense & consistent with 'the best way to start your swing' video 4 years ago showing the likes of Snead starting from the feet. The only thing is to be cautious starting the sequence mantra with: 'apex to base' in case the hands would initiate. Presumably the pressure on feet get the body moving first setting up the drag.

[@abs828]

RJM, you seem to have a good handle on this. i am very interested but not very smart. could you explain to me what the vector is and what and where are the video series?

[@rjm8735]

I think the vector refers to the pressure points of the hands on the handle & at the soles of the feet with the ground at address. Pressure the hands slightly so the clubhead would be inclined to go towards the target & the feet so the body would go away from the target. There's no movement, just a little pressure. Then for me start the swing from the feet acting on the ground closely followed by the club & the only concern then is to maintain the pressures in the hands. The body is the engine & provides the energy but the hands are the governor & must be facilitated by the body to allow the club swing freely while keeping the pressures intact. The body should also remain contained through counteraction which is best promoted by the body waggle: club back, weight a bit more on left foot, then club forward with weight going a bit more to right foot. I could be all wrong about this but hopefully not far wrong. Whatever works for the full swing should work for chipping too I think & that's always a good checkpoint.

[@abs828]

@@rjm8735 thank you for taking the time to explain this to me. it sounds reasonable.

[@rjm8735]

I'm finding that this works great only sometimes my left hand is inclined to oppose the right, the opposition concept is easier to apply to the right hand but the left hand should pressure to rotate the shaft in the same direction as the right so effectively the left is going with the body while the right is opposing. I'm hoping that if I can get the left hand to pressure the shaft properly, I'll get more consistent. Sometimes the right wins & it goes straight but when the left wins going in the wrong direction, it goes right.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

What's incredible about this is that Martin has thought about this in such detail and can explain it in such detail that no one can understand. That's not a criticism or joke. Language and descriptions can become so precise the average person cannot understand. Essentially, Martin needs to dumb this down for the average person.

[@MartinAyersGolf]

I appreciate your feedback, but I disagree. People need to understand what to do in order to be able to do it...unless they are 10 years old and can turn their adult brain off. You wont understand what to do until you at least TRY the correct approach and then learn how to embody that. My instruction is an attempt to point people in the direction they should look. Dumbing that down would not point them in the correct direction.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

​@@MartinAyersGolf I totally agree. What I'm talking about is that when I was studying law I began to speak so clearly and precisely -- using words that ordinary people don't use -- and I discovered that I was speaking so clearly that they didn't understand what I was saying. I had to dumb down my vocabulary in order to get my point across. Martin is describing these methods and actions in such precision that it's nearly incomprehensible to the ordinary player. Every college class usually begins by learning vocabulary. Without the proper vocabulary the students will be lost. Martin is on a level far beyond the ordinary golfer.

[@MartinAyersGolf]

I agree that the proper vocabulary is needed (hence the intro to the Vector video). That said you can't learn the method without learning the vocabulary and you can't dumb down the vocabulary without changing the meaning.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

@@MartinAyersGolf Oh ... I must have missed that video. That's on me.

[@AroundTheHouse315]

@Overhand Golf you two need to meet and do a video! Overhand love the way you explain the golf swing and Martin too! It's so much better than the standard golf Channel BS!

[@mitchy7051]

Very cool video. Veey similar to the axiom swing. Good work.

[@lorenzundschmidt]

sorry but this is so confusing and i fear it will not help anyone maybe it would be better if JH is making the explanations here

[@MartinAyersGolf]

Don't be afraid mate, everything will be ok.

[@craigooten4888]

How would JH explain something he doesn't understand?

[@tditte4nu]

Start from the beginning. Episode 1. You need to hear it all in order.

[@abs828]

martin, when you set up and just before you took it back you said " I've got my vector here and I'm not going to give that up". what did you see or what were you looking at? is it physical or just and image or thought process?

[@MartinAyersGolf]

It's the Alignment (line, vector) from one end to the other and back....base to apex. You can feel the opposition, which by now you know is in fact the two aligned halves, folded over. You stabilize that line from your end as the clubhead (apex) moves it from the other.

[@simonleach3812]

This empty. There are no takeaways here.

[@MartinAyersGolf]

Correct, it’s a pressure toward the club, don’t “takeaway”.

[@simonleach3812]

I can give you a physics lesson if you like.

[@MartinAyersGolf]

@@simonleach3812 The floor is yours Einstein. Tell me where I’m wrong. Don’t forget why and how . Feel free to clown 🤡 yourself .

[@MartinAyersGolf]

It is you Simon, that is the empty vessel.🥱