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[@helenkamenos8563]

Genesis 1:30 "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so."

[@alfonzie7377]

Absolutely suggests no predator-prey situation. Thank you for quoting. Verse 31 is relevant to about what he created being very good as opposed to just good

[@emilymorales5887]

I enjoy Hugh Ross’s idea that dinosaur remains are part of God’s provision (fossil fuels), lime deposits similarly; Christians should read in these ancient remains the engineering handiwork of an amazing Creator. Young earth creationism provides nothing but logical dead ends. Thinking atheists will never respond to the extraordinary claims of YEC. Thank you RTB.

[@keithrobinson2941]

I am reading a good book that expands on this: "God's Time-Records in Ancient Sediments" by Dan Wonderly. It was published in 1977 but you may be able to find a copy at a used book store.

[@thereisnopandemic]

Emily Morales Atheist won’t respond to Christianity whether it’s Old Earth creation or young because atheist just like the rest of non believers are Fallen, unless God chooses to grant them repentance they will never accept the faith.

[@1969cmp]

Have you given six day creation a fair go? I suggest reading Evolutions Achilles Heels and perhaps The Greatest Hoax on Earth by Jonathan Safarti. The book counters Dawkins, Greatest Show on Earth. Cheers.

[@carlandre8610]

Death was around long before Adam and Eve. Adam was originally created outside the garden. He was brought into the Garden and told not to activate death. Death had no power with humans but was there.

[@d.zyned2thrive584]

For those who believe all animals ate plants ( I used to as well), I highly recommend researching animal and human anatomy. There are many big differences between herbivores and carnivores. To suggest they underwent such rapid evolution as to be able to eat and digest animal flesh even makes evolutionary biologists raise their eye brows. In fact it was learning anatomy that initially caused me to question the young earth narrative.

[@Familyman39]

I have a dog that it’s dog food, and have watched dogs eat grass. I have also watched black bears eat walnuts, and grizzlies eat mushrooms. We use to raise chickens and they loved eating meat! S

[@beowulf.reborn]

"... I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies." ~ Romans 8:18-23 "The last enemy to be destroyed is death." ~ 1 Corinthians 15:26 "Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire." ~ Revelation 20:14 "He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away." ~ Revelation 21:4

[@krechenklein4453]

The Romans 8 passage just says that God subjected it. It doesn't say the reason. In fact, Paul mentions the whole creation. That means the stars and planets as well. In that case, it's not due to sin.

[@Jomartproducts]

Dr. Ross has said that God designed animals to kill quickly, meaning that animal death isn't really cruel like we may think. That idea can be debunked in less than a minute by doing a search here of animals eating other animals while they are still alive. Dr. Ross would have us believe that God created them that way. I challenge Dr. Ross or anyone else to find one of these disturbing videos, watch it completely, and confidently say that God created animals that way.

[@jdubski5690]

The man is blessed with wisdom from god

[@JeremyWS]

Great video, keep up the good work. God bless you.

[@JustFun-iz9rf]

I see that you prove death already existed before Adam and Eve. This is why they feared death but God was speaking of the second death not physical. The animal sacrifice was given to forgive every day sin this why they had to sacrifice every time they sinned. I think people have a problem which death God was speaking of to Adam and Eve.

[@cathyh.8561]

Thanks for this explanation....

[@BrianJuntunen]

Adam wasn't created with eternal life either which is why he would have to partake of the tree of life to bring that in, but he chose to eat of a very different tree which set his death in stone and confirmed God's word about spiritual death which happened in the day he ate thereof.

[@savage.indios]

Genesis 3:7 and the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. (KJV)

[@aaronowen4425]

When ever someone is trying to argue there was death before the fall they never look at Romans 8:14 - 23 which I believe makes it pretty clear that death entered in by the fall. By pure context you can tell when it speaks of the creatures its separating Man from creature. - my explanation to how I understand the verses is after each verse in the (---). the verses are KJV 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. (showing that the son's of God is referring to the redeemed) 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. (again showing that it is talking about the redeemed) 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: (and yet again showing that the "sons of God" are the redeemed) 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (showing that once we are part of the redeemed that by His sacrifice we will be brought out of the curse) 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (again showing the miraculous work of Jesus and how it will redeem those who accept His sacrifice) 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. (first mention of something OTHER than the redeemed. By context we know that the "sons of God" are the redeemed. It can't be referring to the lost because there is only one way of redemption and that is through Jesus so thus they would then become "sons of God" as well. So creature by default has to be talking about the other living creatures on earth other than man kind to make sense) 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, (going back to Genesis where Adam being placed under the curse caused ALL of creation to ride his coat tails into the fall - the animals didn't break God's law they did not eat of the fruit of knowledge but they were brought under the subjection of the curse because of what Adam did) 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. (by the first Adam falling and bringing the curse upon the earth all living things fell under the curse - death being one of the consequences. By the second Adam - JESUES and what He did on Calvary creation will be rescued from the curse "for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish..." I know that world mainly means man kind but if He removes the curse from the earth when it is remade then that verse fits both. Also this verse cements the fact that creature is NOT talking about man because if it was then this verse would make no sense because the creature would not be refereed to as "creature itself ALSO shall be delivered" because once a person becomes redeemed they become a son of God so there would be no separation in that verse between the creature and sons of God) 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. (again showing that the WHOLE creation was brought under the curse because of what Adam did) 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. (I think by reason these verses imply VERY strongly that Adam brought the curse over ALL of creation and by reason if one of the main results of the curse is DEATH than it is logical to conclude that Animal life received death as part of the curse - these verses basically spell that out - and there was no death before the curse - the earth was not only good but VERY GOOD - no curse no death no suffering - all that came in by Adam's disobeying God )

[@krechenklein4453]

Hello! I am an old earth creationist and I will have to disagree with you on this. This is my interpretation. 20) “The creation (yes, the entire creation, not just man) waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it (God, at the very beginning of creation), 21) in hope that the entire creation will be lifted from it’s bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22) For we know that the entire creation groans in the pains of childbirth until now.” My interpretation is that he is simply making a comparison between the fact that the creation is looking forward to redemption, as well as man, and both will be fulfilled. It doesn’t follow that the creation’s corruption is from Adam’s sin. Notice that Paul mentions the entire creation. This would have to mean the entire realm of space and time which means that the creation is groaning from the beginning of time, not the beginning of sin. It is natural for things to die and decay. God subjected it this way in hope that the creation would be redeemed later, along with man. “As in the pains of childbirth” also seems to imply that just like the pains of childbirth have always been there, then so has the creation been groaning. Also, in Romans 5, why was Paul so careful to exclude the creation from the death of man, as a result of Adam’s sin? It seems like he would have mentioned the entire creation. Moreover, aren’t you assuming you know what very good means? If God created a planet where there is a food chain where animals feed on each other, wouldn’t that be very good? It would be if He created it that way. It came out the way that He wanted. How do you know that the animals were brought under the curse? The Bible doesn’t say this. It only says that the ground is cursed and that man will have to eat in toil, and will lose spiritual death (and eventually physical death). Your interpretation is a common one in the young earth creation camp. I am an old earth creationist and I see no incompatibility here.

[@aaronowen4425]

@@krechenklein4453 Looking at it from your point of view that man originally would not die but that everything else in creation was intended to die what would have happened if man had never fallen? The way I see it logically it would not work out for man to be eternal and creation to be finite (I will admit this is speculation because no one truly knows what God "would" have done but I believe you can see what most likely might have happened) To make my point have you ever heard the saying which would you pick if you had a choice - a million dollars or a penny a day doubled a day for 31 days? The penny a day looks like the bad choice but if you take it on day 31 you end up with something like 10.6 million dollars. If Adam and Eve had never fallen they would sill be in perfect condition today and they would still be having children. Also all of their children would be having children. Look at India and China that would be nothing compared to what the earth would be like if no humans died. So if man could not die then by default earth would have run out of room long ago so what options would man have? The only option I can see is migrating to surrounding planets (I mean after all if death does not exist for man then by default the other planets would be inhabitable for man) HOWEVER if plants and animals do die then they would be trapped on earth. Man would at a VERY fast and increasingly fast pace fill up the earth, then the other planets and so forth,but plants and animals being in a state of dying would become increasingly fewer in percentages to man to the point of basically not existing. If earth with man and animals were represented as being a period at the end of a sentence, in time, man would be the period plus a letter. Then man would be the period and a word then the period and a paragraph then a period and a book then a period and every book on earth while plants and animals would only be within the period - their numbers would be so out numbered by man that they might as well not exist. BUT if none were to die then man plants and animals would stay pretty much on an even path and all of creation would be able to spread out together and Eden would have spread out most likely through out the Earth and probably the solar system and universe. This of course is speculation but I honestly cant see how it could have been any other way with the information we know right now. So I say all that to say to me it looks that the original plan was for there to be no death period because if any part of creation had death and man did not there is no way balance could have been maintained.

[@robnedloh9686]

@ 1:12 there is no passage that says " the lion shall lay with the lamb". Read Isaiah 11;6 to know the truth.

[@stefansmith920]

Except if you believe it's a sin to eat animals. Then it is where we have this issue

[@savage.indios]

Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them. (KJV)

[@gustavoeliasmorales77]

Yeah no animals died in eden

[@1969cmp]

Millions of years is not needed to create coal. Cheers, ex-atheist.

[@1969cmp]

@THE BHSP ...what is RTB?

[@dazzlestar06]

But if animals didn’t die at all, wouldn’t there eventually be too many animals?

[@savage.indios]

Genesis 3:7 then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings. (N.A.S.B)

[@savage.indios]

Genesis 3:21 And the Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them. (NASB)

[@eastky1901]

Yes. B4 the sin, there was no death.not even for animals. I understand it that all animals ate vegetation too..for a period....

[@Rain-maker591]

What a joke....😂😂😂...the gazelle would take offence at Ross's view the being eaten by a lion is about maximising the quality of life for the herbivores...Ooh the blatant obfuscation. Then again that's what a PhD affords you. The ability to subtly hide your argument behind subtle disguised arguments...

[@woohoo273]

I guess the Bible is clear as mud. Everyone has different opinions on what the Bible actually says. Hey have you ever considered the Bible could be wrong ? 🤭

[@keerthikolluri7756]

Woo Hoo According to Isaiah 55:8-9, Gods ways and knowledge is very far above than our thoughts and our knowledge. So even though we try the greatest of all human ability, we cannot understand his wisdom and ways. According to Proverbs 21:33, be careful about what u speak plz. It says in Matthew 12:30-31, dont speak against god..as it wont be forgiven. Peace to u. Sorry if this troubles u. Take care

[@1969cmp]

...the key factor is people. People have varying opinions on any idea. Islam, materialistic evolutionary theories, Buddhism etc.

[@sk-un5jq]

Poor reasoning and logic. How old are you? 12?

[@woohoo273]

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