$280 Fake Bach Stradivarius Trumpet

[@APRIL2862]

I stared with a coronet in 6th grade and when I reached high school I wanted a trumpet, I answered an ad in the paper for a used one for $75. It was handed down from a kids grandpa who was a trumpet player in the Cleveland Symphony! It was a Conn with engraving inside the bell and outside going up the bell, finished in gold and silver! WHAT A FIND!

[@arcozako1234]

Lucky

[@malacca1951]

You 'stared with a coronet?' ! It's rude to stare and particularly to stare at a crown!

[@Nick50B]

I guess you could call this a "Mach" Strad trumpet.

[@UNCLEbubblesSNIPEZ]

XD

[@kimcurtis9366]

+TheBassTromboneGuy or a FACH. LOL!

[@maneatinggnomes3985]

TheBassTromboneGuy first I hear WWI puns all day, AND NOW THIS WHYYYYYY

[@alexcarter8807]

More like "Schmach" lol.

[@adamh951]

🤣

[@Trolologram]

May I just mention that the rod is actually supposed to be for the valve casings. Not for the lead pipe.

[@robertburne6266]

A metal version of the plastic rod rod was supplied with my new Bach Strad in 1973 - not sure if the still supply them though, You put it down the valve casing, thread a cloth through the slit, and pull the cloth through to clean the inside of the valve casing.

[@Grobbekee]

The day the Chinese decide to make quality stuff, we're all out of business.

[@tedtedsen269]

they do the yamaha 4335g II and the 3 series is made in china i have the 4335g II it plays nice it says on the box that it came in MADE IN CHINA

[@Grobbekee]

But those are designed in Japan have quality control by Yamaha and are marketed by Yamaha. What they do in China is just production work. I mean Chinese firm of music enthusiasts, craftsmen with know how and technicians designing their own quality concept and marketing them under their own name for a price that Selmer could get you the case.

[@tedtedsen269]

Yamaha.s student and intermediant trumpets are made in China i had them 2 years now i play one of the best intermediant/pro the ytr 6335g no the 6335g is not a pro trumpet but a great stepup from the chinese made 4335g2

[@alexcarter8807]

This. I got to play around with a Yamaha 2000AD trumpet, student model made in China, and it's nice. Light, so easier for students, all slide worked beautifully, and played as well, as well as I'm able to discern, as my Japan-made YTR-2320.

[@MrJasonharrelson]

Not really. There ARE Chinese factories that make relatively high quality goods. But they cost much more to produce and the retail price is comparable to the same product made in Taiwan or Mexico. It would take much longer to train the general workplace to understand quality over quantity in China meaning they would not compete on price vs value. This is the reality of their approach and changing this would take generations. However, the market would first need to demand the change, which is unlikely to happen.

[@michaelvernon9459]

If you need someone to test it for a few years, I got u lol

[@TheHuntermoss]

I've been a pro trumpet player for 30 yrs, a pro repairman for 10 yrs. I recently had one of these in my shop for a routine chem clean. It looked like a Strad. However, I must honestly say it was constructed like crap. When I first saw what I saw, I thought maybe the horn had been dropped and damaged, but the owner said she had bought it new, and always babied it. There was not a single slide tubing perpendicular with the valve casing! The slides worked sufficiantly, somehow. But the horn looked like it had been put together by a drunk. There is only one Bach Strad, and it is NOT built in china......

[@TheHuntermoss]

TheHuntermoss Anyone caught selling one of these in the USA should be arrested!

[@wcdenkins536]

TheHuntermoss I'm a brass player and brass tech also. Though I've not had one of these, my experience with the cheap Chinese trumpets so far has not been good. Many of them have such poor machining of the threaded parts that it's almost inevitable that even the most careful person is going to cross-thread the top and/or bottom valve caps. The fit is often too tight or too loose and the threads are easily damaged. When that happens the only solution I've found is to use teflon tape on the threads to get the caps to hold. Otherwise the horn is toast.

[@chungoid6702]

I love my Strad and seeing this garbage trumpet, especially with this crappy case made me pretty salty. It's infuriating that they would even put the name Bach on it.

[@hubblelord999]

he didn't say it's real and he said your mileage will vary. There's tons of different knock off conn-selmer branded instruments from China anyways so they would vary incredibly in quality and price

[@luuissantos2384]

IS JEAN PAUL BETTER THAN THIS FAKE BACH?????? ANY SUGGESTIONS BE VERY HELPFUL

[@oldschooldrumcorps]

I bet Bach doesn't agree with his recommendation to buy a fake for any reason....

[@lonniewaggoner1630]

oldschooldrumcorps We don't.

[@williamkelley1971]

Lonnie Waggoner We?

[@lonniewaggoner1630]

William Kelley Well, personally, I don't. I work for Conn-Selmer. I am a trumpet tester there. It's unfortunate to see a knock-off Bach, but it's worse to see people endorsing them as a viable option.

[@williamkelley1971]

Lonnie Waggoner When it is a viable option, it's even worse. I have played many trumpets and it's pretty sad that a knock off like this stands up to a 1,000 dollar Bach trumpet. It's sad indeed, friend.

[@lonniewaggoner1630]

William Kelley​ that's debatable. They DO NOT play like a Bach. Ask any professional trumpet player. No, the worst part is whoever is pawning these off as Strads, are stealing. Plain and simple. Our workers take great pride in our products. Products that help make a profit for our company and our employees. My family and others who work here, have bought houses, sent our children to school, and afforded other luxuries from this company. When you have someone who is shamelessly stealing from us, it hurts us. People who knowingly or unknowingly buy these knock offs, give money to thieves. Money that could have went into our product to provide r&d and opportunities for newer and better models. I hope the person in this video will see that buying counterfeits has a price. I'm glad he is interested in trumpets, and if you're into Bach Stradivarius or any other brand, please please please, get the authentic brand. Cheers.

[@javabird9987]

Re: "Sexy" horn features The sleek, braceless lines of my reverse-construction Schilke-style (Yamaha-made) trumpets used to always draw attention! But when I use a gold-plated mouthpiece, nobody notices the horns. :(

[@lilbigrigw9904]

my friend in marching band has the same trumpet and I am in drum line but I play Trumpet too and I have a Bach TR-300 and I'm afraid to tell him that he's gotta fake Bach Trumpet because I think he'll be pissed and u know trumpeters with them egoes

[@DillonM-mc6yw]

band geek 3000 Hey, I play on a tr300 also. You are the only person I’ve seen who plays on it other than me.

[@tuckerlane7995]

@@DillonM-mc6yw lol everyone around me in marching band uses a TR300 based horn (1530 & Bundy included)… 3 that say TR300

[@je3229]

@@DillonM-mc6yw Bach tr300 is an excellent student horn. I first got mine in 2005 as my first horn and I brought it with me all the way into my first semester in college until I could afford a used 37 strad. My colleagues told me it was the best-worst performing horn they'd used and I'd have to agree when looking at it from that perspective. I would've thought them to be more common, however.

[@paulsaganski2070]

The TR300 was my first actual trumpet, switching from an old cornet in middle school. It was a perfectly serviceable marching band horn in college too, when I didn't want to ding up my Strad playing in the bleachers at football games.

[@rebeccaspade5486]

that plastic rod was to put cheese cloth through to clean out the valves casings not put in the main pipe, i use a metal one that my instrument repair tech recommended

[@WELLBRAN]

My Daughter started learning at age 7 Trumpet beginners class in a band and she had the old trumpet out of the band room storage and old Earlham one day it literally fell in half! so I spent £50 on a chinese Trumpet on Ebay as i did not know if she would carry on learning. After 2 yrs aged 9 she got in the band and i got her a yamaha 4335GS she could hardly lift it...lol... but now age 17 she still plays it in bands and orchestra now she wants a Pro Trumpet (Stomvi) along the journey I also got her a 1965 Conn Director Cornet for xmas caroling cost £80 and also a York Trumpet made by Musica Steyer cost £80 and 60's conn Doc Severinsen 1000b Trumpet cost £90 all I would think better than this Bach BUT remember the chinese Trumpet for £50?..it still is going strong and plays well..although the lacquer is shot! my advice buy a good old one. BUT the kids today want a flashy looking one even if it is not a good quality. As said here "it looks the part"

[@Dizzyphan]

1) Brass doesn't rust. Trumpets are made of brass. The tuning slide discoloration is normal because as with "real" trumpets the inner tubes of the slides including the tuning slide are raw brass with no "coatings" on them at all except for slide grease. Letting them discolor naturally is fine. Trying to polish the slides to pretty them up will remove brass metal and over time you'll end up with leaky slides. I know from experience as decades ago I used dish scouring steel wool pads to pretty them up, LOL. 2) Intonation problems like from the C to C, which I'd agree isn't a good thing, could probably be attributed to faulty valve alignment. 3) I agree with comments below about the "knock off" issue. It's too bad that China gets away with stealing designs, patents, and other intellectual property. I used to sell decorative figurines from SMC which were "exclusive" to their catalogue, but still saw out in the market other exact same figures only with different name plates on them, heh.

[@evanheuermann8698]

I'd have to disagree with that reccomendation, For around that price on Ebay, Craigslist, or possibly a local music store, you could get a decent Olds Ambassador, Bach TR300, or for a little bit more, a Yamaha 2335. While these instruments wont be as flashy and might take a little bit of work to get perfect, it will overall be a better investment. First off it would play a hell of a lot better, and it would last you much longer if you choose to pursue the trumpet. Never buy cheap chinese brands, you're much better off paying the same or a little extra for a nice used horn.

[@quielnascimento5287]

+ Evan Heuermann tuerendo comprar um bach tr650. conhece?

[@mal2ksc]

Believe it or not, a strategically placed expansion in the bore can fix that problem with the octave between the 2nd and 4th partials. Figuring out where to put it is the hard part, but it can be done by a repairman the same way he might remove a dent.

[@danielcunningham9771]

Perhaps, but here is another strategy: In the mid-1960s as a youth interested in learning then playing brass instruments cornet/trumpet in particular and being of extremely modest means my parents/I decided to discuss my situation with the high school band director, who incidentally enough played trumpet semi-professionally, too. His advice on tuning a cornet/trumpet: Best to learn from the beginning what the true pitch/tone of a note is, its form and what it sounds like (picture it in your head before/while playing). That said, after a year playing a recorder/tonette in 4th grade, he rented me an acceptable cornet that he demonstrated very well along with a small 7c type mouthpiece (to which I eventually advanced to a 1 1/2C Bach and later other mouthpieces as I got larger and more experienced but mouthpiece specification/shape and how it relates to mouth-teeth shape, lip placement, and embouchure are another discussion for another time). He also lent me his tone generator (and this is critical) and advised from the very start not only how to play the cornet but how to visualize each note in my mind before/as I was playing it and comparing the tone with the tone "true pitch" generator. I found in short order that I could alter/"lip" practically any note 1/4 to 1/2 tone above/below its true pitch. As the years went by and my expertise/experience grew, I found my ability to "stay in tune" invaluable if not practically necessary/critical, regardless of whatever "acceptable" quality cornet/trumpet I played regardless of brand. Thus, I would advise the author to practice this "tone shaping" ability and he could easily play both Cs in pitch on practically any horn assuming of course that the horn slides are adjusted to their respective best positions for him. Interesting enough I recall in junior and high school bands that some large brass players (baritone/tuba) often had the same "tone shaping" to correct pitch difficulty between octaves while playing the trumpet just like the author.

[@Kris-ww3yd]

Trent... the “cleaning rod” is a valve casing cleaning rod... thread a cloth through the eye, wrap the cloth around the rod and insert it into the valve casings (with the pistons removed) and clean out debris and/or slick stuff inside the valve casing. Sometimes one needs more than just a prickly brush to clean out the valve casings. You do not insert the thing into the bell or into the mouthpipe. Just sayin’

[@ComedyDude1231]

I play a chinese Bb tuba that performs very well and it even in my opinion performs better then 2 European made tubas that i have access to. The company that made my Tuba was Jinbao but sold by an american company called the Tuba Exchange, Mack Brass and Wessex tubas also sell the same instruments which i think perform very well.

[@IvanRektanov]

What that music called? on 7:50 I played it on my trombone everyday and other think i playing randomly

[@scottylanier4558]

Sir duke

Sir Duke

[@msan1313]

You should try something from Wessex Tubas, they have cheap horns made in China, but have received a great reputation.

[@TheBravedigger]

I do like the finger buttons though :) The rod is meant to clean out the valve casings before reapplying oil btw.

[@mpcminecrafter]

Valves (sorry I had to lol)

[@trumpetguyslater145]

It's for everything for your trumpet you dumb ass

[@plushieparty2629]

And slides.

[@thatoneguymccool1469]

Omg yesterday someone in the band room found a Bach stratavario trumpet that belongs to the school and even people who own professional trumpets in the band says that it was the best trumpet they ever played on

[@johnmcglothlen]

I would also be interested in hearing your thoughts on instruments from Wessex Tubas, Mack Brass or any other source of Chinese-manufactured instruments, direct or indirect. And does quality depend on the particular instrument or is there consistent quality from certain sources? Thanks!

[@TrentHamilton]

I'm thinking about buying a trombone from Wessex, as I hear good things about them. The only issue is that I don't have spare permission from my wife at this time :)

[@brassplyer]

What was it called on ebay? I'd be curious to try one. How do you id it? I would assume the rod is for cleaning the valve casings.

[@Camlikesbmxbiks420]

You can. It this horn on a website called dhgate.com

[@henryoverzet414]

"Nothing sixier than having gold trimming"

[@johnbrowning7623]

The cleaning rod that appears at 3:33 is for the valve casings, not the leadpipe.

[@flamingmoose1479]

I got a $100 trumpet from Amazon, and it's been pretty good. I wouldn't use it as a primary instrument, but if you're just messing around or using it a few times for something it's not the worst thing on the planet.

[@campingdude100]

Did you buy the trumpet from Aliexpress?

[@wcdenkins536]

I believe Trent is primarily a low brass player, and a mighty fine one at that. His recommendation is his opinion and probably has appeal to younger players who want a horn that looks good. I really have no argument with him. For someone who is more interested in sound and quality, my recommendation for a inexpensive trumpet would be to search eBay for a good used 'Made in the USA' horn from no later than the 1980's. Getzen and King are my two favorites for a solidly built, reliable instrument. Back then, their student model horns had the same high quality valve sections as their top grade horns. I have an inexpensive 1970's modified King 601 (462 bore) trumpet that I usually take along on trips and have as a back-up for my Bach Strad Bb. If it gets lost or damaged it won't be expensive to replace. It's reliable, sounds great and though its raw brass, it doesn't look bad with a little hand polishing.

[@aftertheelectrike1847]

Getzen are good, you say? I played a '90s Getzen baritone for a while... it was garbage. It had awful spring noises, it was very out of tune (Bb4 and higher was extremely sharp compared to Bb3) and, since I always tune at Bb4, the lower register suffered badly. I played a much nicer instrument that I will get the company name of soon. I'm too lazy to get out my current one.

[@sascharambeaud]

+Forgotten Fate He DID write 'from no later than the 1980s', though.

[@aftertheelectrike1847]

I got the brand name, and it was a publishing company called Boosey and Hawkes. The instrument, upon closer inspection and use for actually euphonium parts... it's terrible. The valves are very slow and heavy, and stuff I should be able to play normally are being missed and/or the valves don't move fast enough so I have to do a lot of extra work to play it.

[@tbonetime3568]

I'm all about tone quality and sound but looks I just don't want scratches and smudges. I have a ytr-2330 student trumpet that Iv had for the three years iv been playing but when I get a job I plan on saving for maybe a ytr-8335rgs xeno series and keep my ytr for marching band

[@GeBruiKersNahm]

i loved my "61 Olds Ambassador. cheap and reliable and GREAT for starters. I am playing trumpet for years now and still use mine in several bands!

[@DraxDomax]

what is the thread of Bach Strad Trumpet Valve Stem ? Thanks

[@kimcurtis9366]

Trent, thanks for posting this video. A couple of things, and so you know I'm not blowing smoke I own an original Bach Strad (1 of the last 3 he made by hand) and have played it for over 30 years! Before that I owned and played several different brands including Olds and King for an overall career of 45 or so years. As for "greasing" the VALVES, NEVER do that! Valve oil yes, grease no. All you will accomplish with the grease is to slow them down or, at the least, make them "mushy". However all trumpet players that have had any training at all grease their tuning slides so they don't corrode or get stuck in place and are much easier to slide when needed. As far as the octaves being a bit sharp on the upper end most of us, when there is no tuning slide for it, as in C to C, will just lip it up or down as needed so as to be in tune. All in all, for the $280 delivered I'd say you have a very nice intermediate instrument. As opposed to the real article for over 2 GRAND. I was going to replace or add to my Strad but the $2,600 price tag changed my mind! Maybe I'll just replace my ratty looking original wood case with real leather corner trim with a new one and be done with it. Your Chinese mouth piece is just tarnishing. Maybe there is more silver in it than there is in the BACH originals! As far as the "RUSTING" on your tuning slides??? They are brass, which doesn't rust! It's just the natural oxidation of brass, which as anyone who's ever worn a brass ring or a fake "Gold" necklace will tell you, it turns green, verdigree! If it actually corroded to where it gets THROUGH the brass, then you have a problem. You may be able to find someone to braze the hole in the slide and polish it down so it will fit again, but I've never heard of the corrosion, if cared at all, getting through the slide brass. Enjoy it! I think you've got a good instrument that should last for a century! Best wishes, and thanks again for the video!

[@that_one_guy6022]

I thought the cleaning rods like that for trumpet were for the valves?

[@alannamiller474]

what is the song he played at 7:50 ? i've had that stuck in my head for forever and i still dont know what its called

[@TrentHamilton]

It's the opening from Sir Duke

[@alannamiller474]

Thank you so much!

[@paulgrimm6850]

I owned a 1959 Bach Mt Vernon Strat. I played it in JH and HS. Sold it to a band director so it would played

[@Simpsxn]

i didnt even know Stradivarius's had gold trimming.

[@liamlandis9193]

Brooklyn mine doesn't

[@XxXminecraphtXxX]

Brooklyn you can buy a trim kit that replaces valves, water keys and the third valve slider

[@XxXminecraphtXxX]

Brooklyn you can buy a trim kit that replaces valves, water keys and the third valve slider

[@jacobstandifer2695]

It does not

[@MrJasonharrelson]

Yes, the anniversary and special editions have historically included a 24k gold plated trim kit.

[@juicebox_music]

I'm reading these comments, and I think it's sad that people think that the caliber of the instrument determines the skill of the player. So what if it isn't a real Bach? I agree with the part about taking the name, but otherwise, this is a decent trumpet. If you're a good trumpet player, what difference does it make what kind of trumpet it is?

[@Fahrenheitjay]

I have a Bach beginner trumpet from the 70's that has a bunch of dents yet I'm third chair.

[@Johnnyboy1325476]

+Riley Begeman 3rd chair isnt that good....

[@sascharambeaud]

+GreenSalmon I suppose that would largely depend on the quality of the orchester, no?

[@Johnnyboy1325476]

+Sascha Rambeaud touché

[@Arceus9678]

A softmore in my jazz band plays a 7c and hits double G's frequently

[@JackSmith-ud9bg]

Where can I order one of the fake Baruch trumpet ?

[@kingceazr4070]

I have a serial number of a possible fake vincet bach TS0414? Can anyone help me out identifying this one?

[@eddielee8410]

i dont know why but the case falling apart made me laugh so hard

[@andrew4282]

is there a link to where I could buy one?

[@Zzzurii]

Is it listed as the TR 190GS?

[@Rosicrucian32]

I purchased a knock off Strad to travel with. I think it was made from boat anchors, and is heavy to play as well. It was however made in the USA by a domestic craftsman. Doesn’t match my real Strad of course. I picked up a pocket trumpet from amazon about a year ago that apart from being a cramped horn to hold is much nicer to play than the knock off. It’s actually fun to play.

[@obbzerver]

In case someone hasn't already pointed this out that plastic rod isn't for the leadpipe it's for a swab for the the valve casings.

[@carloponte7151]

Song at 7:55 ?

[@bobjacobson858]

I wonder what the pistons are like on this trumpet. My Sai Musicals euphonium (from India) has brass pistons, and they need lubrication just about every other day. I wonder if the Chinese skimp in this area, too.

[@TrentHamilton]

no, the valves on this FAR exceed anything made by SAI. But this is an old video, I would no longer recommend something like this for learners.

[@trumpetworkbenchmr4rd337]

You got a BACH PRELUDE and the case is maybe a fake strad case. Bach and a huge list of other well known brands have MOST of there horns made in China. That's why you see NEW STRADS for list for $3000 new, and can't get $900 on auction for a newer used one. They are so inconsistent in quality that you must test play THE horn you buy or find someone you can trust to check it out and fix or return it. AKA TRENT AUSTIN ACB BRASS !!

[@mp40jager]

+TRUMPETWORKBENCH MR4RD Buy a Shires, you know it's made in the U.S. I'm a trombone player but I have played most of what's out there. Shires is one of the best.

[@michaelsodt9402]

TRUMPETWORKBENCH MR4RD m

[@MrMusicmicky]

Only the Bach Prelude Trumpets are made overseas and list for somewhere around $450. The Prelude is made under the supervision of Bach and has to meet their standards. The trumpet on the video is NOT a Bach Prelude. For one, all the trimmings like the valve caps, slide stop, serial number, etc. are all wrong. You can find these on a website called Ali Express and priced too low. All Intermediate and Professional model Bachs are made in the US, sell for just under $3000 and sell used for $1500-2500. These instruments are made of "pot" medal, which is a mix of metals usually used to solder with. When these types of instruments break (and it will), music repair businesses refuse to work on them. He still does not have a nice trumpet and this trumpet will fall apart in very short amount of time. Check out his other video of a fake Bach Flugelhorn, which came with valves that wouldn't move.

[@michaelyanitz5901]

What's that little song you played

[@Scarrrz]

Anyone have a link to this trumpet? Would actually kinda be interested in this .

[@JoeySkits]

Scarrrzzz m.dhgate.com/product/wholesale-american-bach-original-authentic/389358640.html?invitorid=3uY3uy18

[@marnikvanhelden3427]

Does anyone know where he bought this?

[@Lucifer-yc7oj]

Can someone provide me with a link to a case like this? Cheers!

[@GuitarClassVideos]

The cleaning rod is for the valve casings

[@JeffWestNW]

As for me, I am 56 years old returning to brass instrumentation from elementary excellence with the goal to accept an orchestra invitation. Should I purchase a Jupiter instead for a few remaining years?

[@TrentHamilton]

+Frugal Yachter My experience is that Jupiter is a reasonable brand. Not in the same class as professional level instruments, but still very solid and reliable.

[@alexriverajazz]

+Frugal Yachter Jupiter makes quality horns. You'll probably want to look at an XO model. I owned a Jupiter Roger Ingram model, which is a professional horn.

[@mattcurran1870]

Frugal Yachter Jupiter is awesome I have a alto sax from them they are a responsible brand 💎

[@celticpridedrums]

Tell me how a Chinese company can make a Bach Strad trumpet with Elkhart Indiana on the bell? What part of this is legal?

[@slipbone]

Never, EVER use Vaseline, aka petroleum jelly on tuning slides on any brass instrument. It will dry out and seize the slides. Just buy some slide grease or even cork grease. In a pinch use valve oil on the slide until you can get some proper grease. And Brass does not rust, it tarnishes then corrodes. Only steel or iron (Ferrous metals) rust. The slide legs are not gold plated or lacquered, just bright brass and will eventually tarnish.

[@RageRomantic]

When you suddenly notice your “Vincent Bach” trumpet bought from a reputable retailer has “made in China” stamped on which you haven’t noticed in the seven years of owning it and only has valve 1 and 3 stamped on and your suspicions bring you this video. Damn, all I’ve ever wanted for 24 years is a genuine Bach trumpet and I thought I had one given the money I’d paid, now I’m doubting it after this video ☹️

[@TheMrGoon]

whats the website

[@iraccoon8830]

I currently play a Student Bach Bundy, and as a sophomore in high school, I want to move up to an intermediate trumpet. My director has recommended a Yamaha. What would you recommend?

[@billkard]

The black cleaning rod is actually for the valve casings, not the lead pipe.

[@rosariadileone5272]

Trent , I bought a flugelhorn. New, Low price 165 euros to be exact. It is made in Taiwan. Brand: Marathon reg. Trade Mark Supposedly. I guess the model 050311. I cant find any info on the internet. I bought it on ebay. A seller from Germany. The bell has a crease in it. The case is excellant but, the fit isn't perfect. I see how someone forced the lid shut distorting the bell. How can I send photos to you?

[@kyrienedwards8558]

I'm in high school and I plan to continue playing the trumpet in the future. Any suggestions for a trumpet that I should buy?

[@bambam12357]

Kyrien Edwards Jupiter Quantum Yamaha Xeno or a Bach Stradivarius

[@bambam12357]

Kyrien Edwards all very good instruments

[@allwinds3786]

hexagonal value caps/finger buttons?

[@wyattmaniscalco3090]

Donald Schneider I believe so.

[@jc40337]

Yep, that way you can use a wrench when they get stuck.

[@dkelzenb]

Does this trumpet have an adjustable stop for the 3rd valve slide? I believe the "real" Bach does but I can't tell from the video, nor do you mention whether it has a screw-adjustable (or some other type of) stop for the 3rd valve slide.

[@MrMusicmicky]

No, the fake does not and you are right, the real ones do. They have these online at a place called Ali Express. All the trim like that is wrong.

[@TheBrickCrew2013]

What did he play at 7:50?

[@BoDiddly]

That was Stevie Wonder ~ You can feel it all over.

[@janpeterquaak4469]

I've 8 year experience with playing trumpet. Do you think that I annoy this instrument when I buy a fake Bach trumpet?

[@jimmybloom3224]

Please review a schiller tuba!!!

[@iancoyle4610]

Did you find it on aliexpress.com and would you recommend it at all?

[@aeliusohneck7344]

don't but that trash. appreciate music for what it is and buy a cheaper bach model

[@devonc99]

+aelius ohneck I have a $3000 new york Bach strad, but I'm thinking of buying this cheap knockoff for marching. My only concern in longevity

[@aeliusohneck7344]

+Dayvaughn in that case its perfectly ok and tbh though longevity is not going to be good I think. buy some used student model Jupiter or something like that because parents just put then up for maybe 450 or so and its going to last a lot longer than that garbage Chinese model

[@714jk]

Buy a Olds Ambassador and put on a Bach 43 leadpipe.

[@MrMusicmicky]

Did you not watch the video? That thing will fall apart in a year.

[@danielcunningham9771]

General brass instrument playing in-tune and "tone-shaping" (ref my earlier reply to Mal-2 KSC's comment): In the mid-1960s as a youth interested in learning then playing brass instruments cornet/trumpet in particular and being of extremely modest means my parents and I decided to discuss my situation with the high school band director, who incidentally enough played trumpet semi-professionally, too. His advice on playing in-tune on a brass instrument, in my case the cornet/trumpet: "It is best to learn from the beginning--but anytime is ok--that it is critical for an instrument player to learn and get a feel, as in a sound, a picture, a vibe in their memory for what the true (accurate or perfect) pitch/tone of a note is, its form and what it sounds like (pictured in your head before/while playing)." That said, after a year playing a recorder/tonette in the 4th grade recorder-band, he rented me an acceptable cornet that he demonstrated to me very well along with a small 7c type mouthpiece (to which I eventually advanced to a 1 1/2C Bach and later other mouthpieces as I grew physically, became more experienced/better player as well as the design of mouthpieces and their corresponding specifications/shape and how they relates to a player's mouth-teeth shape, lip placement, and embouchure: another discussion for another time). He also lent me his tone generator (this is critical) and advised from the very start not only how to play the cornet but how to visualize each note in my mind before/as I was playing it and comparing the tone I made with the tone "true pitch" generator. I found in short order that I could alter/"lip" practically any note 1/4 to 1/2 tone above/below its true pitch. As the years went by and my expertise/experience grew, I found my ability to "stay in tune" from this training invaluable if not practically necessary/critical, regardless of whatever "acceptable" quality cornet/trumpet I played regardless of brand. Thus, I would advise the author to practice his "tone shaping" ability and he could easily play both Cs in pitch on practically any horn assuming of course that the horn slides are adjusted to their respective best positions for him. Interesting enough I recall in junior and high school bands that some large brass players (baritone/tuba) often had the same "tone shaping" to correct pitch difficulty between octaves only while playing the trumpet just like the author perhaps because they unintentionally "tried a little too hard" on the smaller brass instrument with its corresponding much smaller mouthpiece--and "narrower lip-contact" than the mouthpiece(s) they were used to playing on the larger instruments.

[@HazenLewis]

Where was this bought from? I found one on DHGate and it was a similar price and I just got it. Seems almost right. Gonna put it to the test tomorrow. If not, definitely going to return

[@HazenLewis]

Update_ Lol it most definitely was fake. Got a refund

[@Potatotwopoint0]

where can I find a 3c mouthpiece like the one you showed?

[@sci8]

Search "Megatone trumpet mouthpiece" Though....I would suggest using a normal mouthpiece so you can hear your real tone.

[@ok-gg5kp]

@@sci8 real tone? Both display ur real tone lmao

[@sci8]

@@ok-gg5kp Okay, different tone. Either way it's probably best to develop your sound on a regular mouthpiece, as it's the most accurate representation of your progress and sound.

[@ok-gg5kp]

@@sci8 no? The 5c is darker and the 3c is way brighter.. there is no such thing as real tone.

[@sci8]

@@ok-gg5kp sure

[@MrAnPanMan]

Hello, is there a way to identify a fake Vincent Bach?

[@hawxchampion523]

Fake serial numbers on the 2nd valve are an obvious sign.

[@MrMusicmicky]

You can look up serial numbers online. Also, Bach does not make hexagonal valve caps, has a valve stop on the third slide and does real engraving, not laser.

[@a.patriciagarcia3785]

I know im late but where can I get one? ;)

[@coreygenovese]

What site did you buy this off?

[@tobiolaleye6544]

Where did u buy it

[@Gothicbigst]

Hi, thanks a lot for review. I bought exactly the same trumpet on AlieExpress. I do not have experience playing on good trumpets. So I dont know how it should feels playing on comfortable trumpet. I use to play on old B&S trumpet. And now I play on chinese trumpet. The only bad think is tune. Octave E is horrible ( playing with 1 2 valve is better). Other notes are not perfect too. Do you have any ideas how to fix the tune?

[@garrethaustin7084]

Check the side of the second valve for the serial number

[@snojetsst9420]

It doesn't have one because it is FAKE

[@cephusisunavailable]

I'm not sure the physics of the overtone series on a trumpet, but I am having trouble getting my brain around how some manufacturing defect would be to blame for an octave being off. On a guitar string, for instance, the octave harmonic is an octave no matter the scale length or how shitty of an instrument it is. Now, I can see a manufacturing defect accounting for say, the second valve not dropping the pitch exactly a half step, or the 1st vale exactly whole step. But the octaves should naturally align, shouldn't they? If it were shorter, the fundamental tone would just be sharp. What do you think?

[@5naxalotl]

no, because it's not a string and it's not a straight pipe. it's a common tendency to assume harmonics go in the obvious ratios for all objects, but it depends on geometry. at the extreme other end is drums, which break up into all sorts of weird resonance patterns as frequency increases. also note you don't just have the rate of expansion and bend radii in the horn proper, but you have a complex interaction with the diameter changes through the mouthpiece, as well as some involvement of the resonant cavity in your mouth. as a complete amateur who plays for weed enhanced amusement, my solution has been to ignore the tuning problems as something trumpets simply don't do well. ever notice the tuning slides can only ever be correct for one combination of valves? and then you can really drive yourself insane by spending a few internet hours studying "temper". personally, i feel blessed to have a worse sense of pitch than the people i shit with my playing

[@michaelprozonic]

aren’t those angle beveled valves a Schilke patent?

[@justicenugent5388]

+Trent Hamilton Where did you get the trumpet?

[@Johnnyboy1325476]

+Justice Nugent seiriously where?

[@Johnnyboy1325476]

m.aliexpress.com/item/1168804551.html?productId=1168804551&productSubject=Free-shipping-trumpet-professional-grade-Small-musical-instrument-gold-key-silver-hexagonal-iabalone-piston&tracelog=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail is where he got it. I found it later down in the comments

[@tonymartinez857]

what website dod you get it from???

[@streetfighterivceteamdarks8354]

Hey where can I get this fake thing?

[@colinkyger5453]

ali Express

[@fetze]

How did you get it ? Ebay ? Or some other site ?

[@FreezingGamer1]

www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-Bach-Trumpet-TR-197GS-Plate-silver-pipe-body-Gold-plated-Key-Carved-Trumpet-Drop/32687275276.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.9.DM9qu2&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_7,searchweb201602_3_10057_10056_10065_10055_10054_10067_10069_10059_10058_10017_10070_10060_10061_10052_10062_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_1&btsid=09228479-4392-4d61-8f60-51ac9df9e339

[@addisongreenfeld3307]

I am a pretty high school euph player. I'm looking for a trumpet sub $400 or so to mess around on and occasionally play at our school's jazz band. Would this trumpet, even as a poor knock off of what I know is a great trumpet, be something I should buy? Alternatively, does anyone have a better suggestion in this price range? Thanks

[@TrentHamilton]

Check out my review of the Jean Paul TR430.

[@Thecoccyx16]

what was the tune he played?

[@montecristo3412]

where you bought?

[@garygreen7552]

Selmer which has acquired the Vincent Bach name now labels its student trumpets as "Bach." They don't use the Stradivarius name, but, their Bundy is now Bach.

[@mtbevins]

It would appear as it is a mix of styles. The 3rd valve stop is not that of a Bach, but maybe a Schilke. A Bach has a threaded rod under the slide with two nuts. The valve buttons and caps are Schilke looking too and not Bach. Bach are round with ridges. On this horn they look octagonal as are the top and bottom caps. Also the water key on the 3rd valve slide is not typical. The water key on the tuning slide is not quite the same shape as the original either. Thanks for posting the video very interesting.

[@thetrumpeter9288]

I have a Schiller silver trumpet and it has the exact same valves and valve tops and bottoms

[@Aetohatir]

Where have you bought it?

[@MacLeannain]

Maybe I'm not thinking this through or missed something, but the trumpet says Prelude by Bach on it. I have a Bach Stradivarius Trombone and it says "Bach Stradivarius 36" on it, not Prelude by Bach (Which I believe is to Bach what Squier is to Fender). So, how can it be a knockoff of Bach Stradivarius if it doesn't claim to be Bach Stradivarius on the instrument?

[@MrMusicmicky]

It's not made by, for, or supervised by Bach. It does not meet their standards.

[@killergun135d3]

where can I get one

[@jacksonwalters1472]

Where do you get this?

[@luketaylor783]

We have a Sousaphone at my school that has that same problem where you’ll play a low Bb and high Bb and it won’t be a perfect Octave. It’s way worse than in this case though.

[@christophertsiliacos8958]

+Trent Hamilton - Nice review. The biggest red flag as to it being a phony, fake and fraud is the ridiculous low price. For it to be a bona fide Bach Stradivarius trumpet, add at least another zero to the price. But you already knew that. When this cheap Chinese knockoff finally gives up the ghost (which will be sooner rather than later) you can always have it made into a nice decorative end table lamp or desk lamp. By the way, there are Chinese-made trumpets selling for $99(US) on Amazon.com. I might purchase one of those cheapos just to have it made into a lamp. It’ll make for a nice addition to my rolltop desk.

[@ajca2056]

+Christopher Tsiliacos 75.95 free shipping on ebay. Not a bad horn either.

[@hippo7666]

why do you have your fingers like that when you are playing

[@TrentHamilton]

Because it would be a bit weird if they were sticking out from my ear

[@colinkyger7698]

I play trumpet and how did you get that trumpet

[@aeliusohneck7344]

don't buy it

[@colinkyger5453]

aelius ohneck why

[@aeliusohneck7344]

Colin Kyger why would you? you can but a better student model for the same price.

[@ericturner2477]

I would love to get a professional trumpet player's reaction to playing this instrument. How does it look now after eight years?

[@DancingSpiderman]

That model looks quite nice in that it's got an Avocadoe Holder for to adequately hang your Avocadoes on...

[@drinkablesausage3420]

we're the hell is the holder? I don't take this shit as a "joke" more of crap

[@VerticalWit]

could someone give me a source of the seller?

[@thehumanexperiment6274]

link?

[@thehumanexperiment6274]

Jacob Ruvalcaba oh shit waddup

[@JoeySkits]

sir lancelittle m.dhgate.com/product/wholesale-american-bach-original-authentic/389358640.html?invitorid=3uY3uy18

[@apolloskyfacer5842]

That sharp C an octave above middle C, could be fixed by using the valve combination 23. (maybe)

[@GDM223SR]

The problem with that is that you'd have to base other valve combos on it instead of on an open C. In other words, a B would now have to be 1+3, and a B-flat would have to be 1+2+3. Below that, for the A and A-flat, you'd be back to 1+2 and 2+3 respectively. Maybe you could start using the tuning slides, but ... why should you have to? No, it's a crappy horn, best used before the student needs to actually play well. I'd still look for a used student horn by a name brand.

[@Joseph-bb8dl]

What model is it

[@Braedenfloyd90]

I just want to hear what it’d sound like with the tuning slide where it should be.

[@DanielLeeDrones]

Maybe thats why the Octave was sharp LOL

[@GDM223SR]

That won't affect one C relative to the other. Both would be sharp, but one would be double the frequency of the other. Equally sharp.