2G-ACM: Desert Tech 5.56 MDR - Confined Spaces

[@1804unclesam]

Gotta love Ian’s obviously unbiased opinion regarding what is the best bullpup ever made.

[@InrangeTv]

Indeed.

[@Curtislow2]

I think that comes the fact that Ian did very well with his Fa mas in the recent stages. And it Is French.LOL

[@RafaAelM]

the best? Cant say that for sure

[@quentin8444]

Why don’t you (Ian & Karl) do an objective comparison between both guns? I happen to be French and part of the national air force, so quite used to our iconic FAMAS, but was actually considering buying a 556 MDR instead. I’d love that video, for sure!

[@LUR1FAX]

@@RafaAelM Perhaps the best ambidextrous bullpup. If ambidexterity doesn't matter, apparently think the Famas is something special.

[@benjit3969]

Looking forward to an MDR vs Famas 2GACM

[@willcaputo1]

I'll do you one better. That, with sinestral rifleman with an M16A1/SP1 config to act as a control.

[@Colin_Shapton]

@@willcaputo1 And maybe someone else running an x-95 :)

[@Nauctshea]

As an MDR owner I really appreciate you guys working with the rifle to illustrate it's strengths and shortcomings. Using longer magazines as a monopod isn't something I would have considered. Thanks!

[@davidtodd9425]

With the bipod issues you mentioned, the MDR or (and the SRS bolt gun) looks like it would be perfect for a version of the BLK LBL bipods you guys checked out at shot show.

[@InrangeTv]

That would be a good solution if they made one for the MDR.

[@zacharyreichert5035]

Ooooh, yes please.

[@PianoMan347]

@@InrangeTv What about the magpul bipod? I have that on my MDR and I can deploy it by pushing near the mounting point instead of at the feet, keeping my hand behind the muzzle/end of handguard. Muzzle blast is not really a problem either for me personally. Just my 2 cents.

[@StGene22494]

1 year later, and look what just came out...

[@thomassymonds6308]

Would you say the MDR 556 would be better with a 20" barrel and longer, Maybe CF, handguard?

[@scottasf8864]

I think so. There are early renders of a 19" mdr online. Codename: Echo. I'd hold off personally on an MDR until those are on the market

[@stevej6991]

If it's longer then why bother with a bullpup?

[@thomassymonds6308]

@@stevej6991 like the 20" AUG and FAMAS that Ian loves, more velocity, and potentially little more handguard real estate for bipods, barricade stops, lights, etc. Ian and Karl seemed to complain in this video series that there wasn't enough handguard on the mdr to use on barricades. Personally, I like a longer barrel on a bullpup to keep the blast further away from my face. I wonder if Keltec got the balance right with a 17" Barrel on the RDB with a long handguard.

[@overboss9599]

@@stevej6991 because by it's very nature a bullpup with a 20" barrel is still shorter than a standard rifle with a 20" barrel.

[@stevej6991]

@@overboss9599 yes it is but I'd debate the merit of an oversized bullpup. If you're going 20", MY preference would be e.g. a 12-16" AR or whatever. Basically what the inrange guys keep saying. The only practical benefit of a bullpup is really in it's compactness, when you extend it you're neutralising the only benefit it has over an AR. Yes academically it has a longer barrel and increased velocity but in a real world scenario it's not a big deal. That's just my opinion.

[@jamesellsworth9673]

Fascinating Bullpup set. Plenty of us are thinking 'Defense', within the perimeter of our yards; moving to acquire targets (or to not be acquired!) I have been watching your videos for reliability of the firearms. I come from a generation that started by saying 'those Action Hero guns" aren't for civilians, to thinking about some of my hog hunting in Texas: we are in the brush and short total length is useful; plus we get a bit longer barrel for a bit better accuracy.

[@Zerzayar]

Who is this person pretending to be Karl? I mean, he looks like Karl, talks like Karl, but... likes a Bullpup? Is this Karl's evil twin, Carl?

[@ALegitimateYoutuber]

Doppelgangers claim another, it's sad to see people get replaced like this.

[@b.c.102]

I remember him - he was the defeatest landser from the WW1 match!

[@evantemple4341]

My man has the classic mag pouch dirt scoop setup.

[@stevej6991]

If the British were absolutely sticking with a bullpup this would be a great replacement for the SA80/L85.

[@SpikeVike27]

Are they changing SA80 for something else now?

[@stevej6991]

@@SpikeVike27 Not that I know of. But I could see it happening in a few years, just at the time when this might have earned a track record. Whether they would go for a bullpup again anyway, who knows? But this would seem like an interesting option if they did.

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

I really want the 300bo conversion for mine. Perfect for the MDR.

[@wastedangelematis]

7:50 ~ 8:00 My gosh dat 2nd camera, what model ? Cause it's photostatic!!! Such vivid colours.... Ps: after credits scene was amazing, revealing the secrets...

[@HandloadOfFun]

4:18 "show clear" - Desert Tech becoming ROs nightmare. :-D

[@taccovert4]

Do they make a picatinny bipod that attaches to the upper rail and drops down? Kind of how the FAMAS does its bipod, only in a modular configuration.

[@TheRealColBosch]

Yes, but then you need even longer legs.

[@QUIROPTEROHOLLOW]

Damn I really have a crush on this gun

[@LeFeuauxpoudres]

MDR vs Famas vs Steyr should be the ultimate match!

[@Seelenschmiede]

Oh yes, would love to see that!

[@jarvy251]

Throw an X95 in there too, Karl seemed to tear up the course of fire with one even if he still pretends he didn't like it!

[@undercovercop2000]

This is the 3rd video in a row I haven’t gotten a notification for. Bell set to all and yet I get none. 😢

[@JiTiAr35]

This could be the best American bullpup ever made.

[@ThatManitobaGuy]

I wonder if a version of the MDR with an 18.6 Inch or longer barrel would be viable? As that would make it non-restricted in Canada.

[@coyotevigilant]

They are supposed to come to Canada in .308 first. But that could take awhile...

[@scottasf8864]

Look up MDR echo. I hope they make them

[@thepinkplushie]

I was just thinking of the strings I'd have to pull to get one of these in Canada. I do believe theres rumours of a 19" version. But until its viable, good old MRR looks like its staying at the top of my wishlist.

[@Stout936]

How's that Supra in your avatar pic treating you? I love the old Celipras

[@mattyp1972]

Love the ending.

[@Watson011]

That range looks awesome. If that range is in Arizona I might have to go visit it sometime.

[@Dugauntlet]

It's the Pima Gun Club just out of Phoenix if I remember correctly.

[@Watson011]

Dugauntlet thank you. I live down in Pima county so I might have to head up there sometime

[@beardoggin8963]

You need one of those fancy Tapco fore grip- bipod combos for this rifle

[@Stout936]

F O R C E-----M U L T I P L I E R

[@KevWilOG]

I wonder if a 20" 5.56 MDR with a 4" longer handguard would be "just right" here. Hmmm.

[@RESTLESSNATIVES-vg1pz]

you have to watch sweeping your off hand with a bullpup in confined spaces shooting through barricades where you use your off hand to steady the rifle and after you have shot bringing the rifle back out of a shooting port as the barrel is so short , just watch the video and you can see it is very close to what I am saying with say a new shooter might get carried away and forget the muzzle when shooting around barriers or port holes .

[@Curtislow2]

Agreed!

[@060racing8]

I think it would be better if the ejection Port could hinge down like a dust cover so you could visually inspect malfunctions or see if the weapon is cleared

[@Curtislow2]

It is cool that you both have found a bull-up that you both like. Your Original opinions of BP's being poorly designed and built seems to have changed.Respective to the MBR. Not counting the Fa mas ,in Ian's case. KUDO's on the find and the collaboration with Desert Tech. Appears to be a good fit for all involved.

[@zaqzilla1]

If you guys have a chance to try simulating operating from a vehicle with the MDR I'd suggest trying it. I think that's where the bullpup design shines. I was issued a full length M16, and there is really no good way to manipulate that inside a vehicle. I can't imagine how a tank crew member would be able to get in and out of a tank quickly with a rifle.

[@bri0n21]

Now that you mention it, a match where Ian uses the famas and Coral uses the MDR could be interesting.

[@advisorv]

Now I want to see a Groza :X

[@derekbrogan4241]

G O O D S N I F F

[@connorrolfe8846]

when are we getting gwacs back?

[@zachcd390119]

But we mustn't forget, the MDR's biggest advantage is that it looks cool as can be

[@drysori]

IDK $2500 bucks is a little out of my price range.

[@humanbass]

I think they need to improve the trigger, and are fully capable of doing that considering their long range guns with sub 3lbs triggers. The MDR with a 4lbs would be sweet.

[@Xhaleon]

@@SuperAWaC The long range guns he's mentioning are also bullpups; its Desert Tech's specialization.

[@zaqzilla1]

I love how Ian just sort of steps under the sticks. I'd have to do it like Karl. If I tried to step under like Ian I know I'd fall on my butt.

[@feuerfrei7070]

How do you even show clear with the mdr? Can you see into the ejectionport?

[@InrangeTv]

You can see into the ejection port with a flashlight through the mag well, but it's challenging. The better way to is to take off the ejection port entirely.

[@feuerfrei7070]

@@InrangeTv What happens with the remaining Cartridge that was in the chamber?

[@tiggerpod8279]

@@feuerfrei7070 When you rack the charging handle, the live or spent round is kicked into the ejection chute and is not expelled from it until the bolt goes forwards again.

[@tiggerpod8279]

You can see through the front of the ejection chute, however the openings provided are so small that you can't really see the chamber, especially in adverse lighting.

[@Curtislow2]

@@tiggerpod8279 I think it is ejected as the bolt is cycled backwards.

[@lauradarkez]

First comment, and i love the style of the mdr. Its a very unique system and i love how easy it is to adapt to the user

[@lauradarkez]

@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS do i know you? Or does my profile display that instead of "Laura Darkez"

[@andycraig6905]

Should try this cqb stuff with an a2. That’s a challenge lol

[@Yin_yue_]

Food for thought, Ian: the possibility that the FAMAS is surpassed by the MDR, in the ability vs inabilify to mount optics. I think a comparitive run by you two using the FAMAS and MDR in another 2GACM might lead to some interesting results, yeah? :3

[@mg4956]

I think Ian would have to use the MDR in that scenario though.

[@TheIntellectualSlacker]

i know its more boutique-ish but maybe check out the K&M M17S556

[@leathery420]

looks a tiny bit easier to get low with the bullpup. Don't need to worry about muzzle striking the dirt as much. Though also a little easier to shoot yourself in the hand when you reach out for stability.

[@UselessFox]

mud test pls

[@jonathangunawan8313]

Can you test SS2 rifle

[@wolfsworkshop9095]

i wonder, what if they will make a more "simple" ejecting plate? maybe some that are more traditional but still with the same field swapable idea behind them, basically so that you can chose if you either want "on the clock" shoulder change with hard malfunction detection and chamber check or easier malfuncion detection/chamber check, because if they do this could become a really flexible design that could lend itself to more situations

[@B1rd0fpr3y]

If you dont install the "ejection guide plate" the gun ejects at an roughly 90° angle and allows for an easy chamber check. So if you want that, the gun can do it for you.

[@wolfsworkshop9095]

@@B1rd0fpr3y I know, but you also give up the option of having a dust cover on the rifle so basically you have a big hole that's always open for gunk to get inside of it

[@B1rd0fpr3y]

@@wolfsworkshop9095 Actually an spring loaded cover like an AR one shouldnt be too difficult to design and manufacture. Probably just a matter of time till they are available.

[@wolfsworkshop9095]

@@B1rd0fpr3y I know, i mean, it is probably something that someone could design in 3d and print rather easily, plus it shouldn't bear too much stress too, so 3d printing would be fine for a long way, maybe with some steel rods and parts to stiffen it, but still

[@andyd2960]

I never shot a bullpup but just by looking at the MDR I bet this would really shine in 300 BLK.

[@erikbender1967]

Karl! Wake-up and smell the flowers!

[@commandZee]

😅 Game of Bullpups. Hope on the last stage the DMR doesn't become a total disappointment.

[@Kungfujoe1110]

The P90 will slide in out of nowhere and win, I can already tell

[@Isenlyn]

I'm wondering. Can you shoot it with only the ejector on ? Wouldn't the empty case fly off the side like a standard rifle ? I'm guessing you can't, but just if someone knows.

[@gamelord1000]

Yes.

[@briarus1000]

does anyone run a ar pistol [10.5 inch or more] at a 2 gun? is it allowed?

[@osoaerense2588]

in a Q&A, they confirmed it is allowed, and people do it.

[@wehmeyerw1]

Is the guy working the timer the dude from Brownells?

[@SinistralRifleman]

Storm Wehmeyer no

[@olddynamite]

He is holding it like he is going to drop it in mud first. That would be the ultimate mud test. First dunk it, then try to complete a competition stage.

[@keithplymale2374]

My M4ergery with 16" barrel (I know the real M4 has 14.5" but that was not on sale when I got mine) is just under 36' overall length with the M4 style brace extended. How does that compare to the MDR?

[@keithplymale2374]

@@SonOfTheDawn515 I was asking for the overall length. But what ever.

[@wolflord256]

According to Desert Tech the overall length of the MDR is 26.2"

[@keithplymale2374]

@@wolflord256 What length barrel?

[@wolflord256]

@@keithplymale2374 For a 16" barrel.

[@rifleslol]

Needs a VFG or a (hopefully not-sucky) grip pod pretty badly.

[@foreverjim5240]

Bullpup all the way. It's sweet

[@Dominik189]

My question is why did you guys get up in the middle, why not just opt for a lower port and keep kneeling?

[@Dominik189]

Must've missed that

[@LastNameTom]

MDR needs a longer barrel and longer rail, and the side eject, MONEY!

[@lex1945]

nice!

[@siestatime4638]

Yeah, get your nose right into that cholla over there... ;-)

[@douglasthomashayden2566]

There have been a lot of comments in the past about how unpleasant and creepy the triggers on bullpups are. Does anybody remember if either of the guys have mentioned the trigger unfavorably?

[@Orthopox]

Douglas Thomas Hayden They did indeed discuss the trigger in the first 2 gun episode with the MDR. I believe they agreed upon “better than average but not a match trigger”.

[@douglasthomashayden2566]

@@Orthopox Thank you. I enjoy their videos, but not enough to go back over them for this point.

[@WuzzzintME]

Did Ian just tell Karl to "look at the flowers"....

[@emptybottleof151]

Walking dead reference

[@WuzzzintME]

That's the point, he threatened Karl...

[@Xhaleon]

5 inches is "a few".

[@danieltubbs5422]

Sorry, a bunch.

[@mountainhobo]

"5 inches is "a few"." -- Several.

[@MarkHansen1990]

Stranger Pups

[@giuliannochiarelli151]

Idk if ian (or someone who used it both) will answer it, but what diference have you found between the MDR and the FAMAS?

[@archimaede]

Integrated bipod

[@mattmccartney5996]

The FAMAS has 70% more élan.

[@WetaMantis]

Palo verde

[@visionaryfirearmsllc9999]

Not much point to the adjustable ejection port since it can't eject any direction but forward. Kinda just adds more complication for no reason.

[@RyoLeo]

Will Hood hmm it could be that the switchable ejection ports was designed first but during the development process someone came up with the forward ejection but decided to keep both features since it probably didn’t add much complexity on top of that I imagine it also provide both a means to access inside the gun without having to open it up all the way and if on the field something happens to that port that prevents clean ejection well you can easily replace/remove it. Although I don’t know if the gun depend on it to fully function so removing it and continuing to fire might not be viable either way it would be interesting to see how it plays out in the long run

[@visionaryfirearmsllc9999]

@@RyoLeo You bring up an interesting point on if the run can run without the covers on it at all. I'd like to see that tested just out of curiosity. But I completely agree probably easier to make them reversible and not much downside to having the ability.

[@gamelord1000]

The gun will run just fine with the chute panel removed, but it does need to have the scissor panel attached to eject the brass. Without the chute panel, the brass gets violently kicked out the side just like normal semi-autos (with a bit more velocity).

[@visionaryfirearmsllc9999]

@@gamelord1000 so it'll work without the ejection cover just not eject forward?

[@RyoLeo]

gamelord1000 thanks for the info

[@Scottish223]

Building a WWSD rifle has proven to be a huge pain in the ass.

[@addghvsdxvbhgdxcbbgdxvbvcddd]

7:33 apart from you know...the company that makes it. no way are those people getting my money

[@mahartma]

I don't get. If you use it as a 5.56 you still have a heavy, bulky 7.62 Nato rifle that cost 2500$. Who is this even for?

[@KennyCnotG]

Uh... It looks cool? I mean I love the way it poops out spent cases, almost as good as the old fish gun fs2000

[@kurtvanduran7725]

Maarten Hartmann in a world were I can go get a basic ar15 for South of 700 dollars I don't see the point of the mdr either. At least the Famas has been used by a military and has the historical intrigue of that , the mdr seems the sort of gun meant to separate somebody from their money for no real benefit, and wholly without purpose.

[@phucprice6698]

Kurt Von Zeon Its true that civilian don t involve in actual fighting in very confined space will not see any much use of any “ bullpup “ rifle. Desert Tech has received foreign military contract before and Im pretty sure they can get some hefty deal with this rifle as the MDR is probably the best bullpup in the world.

[@phucprice6698]

SuperAWaC if nuke can solve everything then all the shitstorm in Middle East wouldn t happened. You either simple minded or just a troll

[@witeshade]

What's wrong with it being for someone who just wants something different? Not everything is a minimax game where there is only one correct choice. Maybe someone has a different sized body and the mdr feels better. Maybe they like their gun to look space age. Maybe they drive a tiny car and having those extra few inches saved makes a difference. Maybe they're a gun hipster and want something other than a standard black rifle. Maybe they just like to try things that are new and cool, or maybe like the InRange guys, they like to support people who are doing serious, modern designs and trying to push the envelope. Sure, maybe from a raw economics standpoint it makes more sense to build a WWSD rifle because it's the "best" and most efficient use of resources. But there is plenty of room for other options which may not be the best or most affordable, but are interesting in other ways.

[@858415]

Bull pups are obsolete

[@foleymaj]

No they are not

[@TheWolfsnack]

@@aaronorr5586 ....bolt pups? :)

[@GentlemansCombatives]

@@TheWolfsnack so a thorneycroft then