$200 Graphics Cards - Were older cards better?

[@tempacc9589]

Just when GamersNexus had landed a critical hit on LTT, Philip saw his chance to strike...

[@R3TR0J4N]

💀 I would've never heard of it thanks to your comment. It's news to me.

[@prateekpanwar646]

@@2kliksphilipLinus must be using at 4ghz on his liquid nitrogen chiller.

[@joeystar1043]

@@2kliksphilip Wheres' your "LTT nearly made me shit myself (for real)" video then?

[@vffa]

​@@2kliksphilip I can only imagine how much pressure it must be to not "fall out of line" because it could potentially mean that the reputation one has built over a long time gets smashed to pieces. Kinda shines a different light on the "We wanted to make sure that we get as close as possible to AMDs performance figures".

[@rochester212]

Fuck Linus, he has been a fraud since day one, his popularity can only be explained by looking at KZbin as a world wide idiot trap.

[@Matticitt]

You gotta love that gen of cards. The 4060Ti is slower than the 3060Ti, and the 6500XT is slower than the 5500XT. Just lovely stuff.

[@tonnynguyen390]

don't forget about 3050 being the same speed as 1660 super

[@gotworc]

Give the 6500xt 8gb of vram and it would probably be way faster but unfortunately they've handicapped it with 4gb of vram lol

[@xBorisD]

@@gotworc based off of info in this video, it can't even outperform a card that is 3 years older than it is, even with 8gb ram it would not make much difference, maybe 6gb but thats still pushing it.

[@gozutheDJ]

"The 4060Ti is slower than the 3060Ti" no it isnt lmao

[@Matticitt]

@@gozutheDJ in many games it is, in fact, slower. In other its basically the same or just barely any faster.

[@ChasingGeek]

My 1060 6g I bought for 200 in high school still competing to this day is wild, the card inflation hit us like a brick

[@brandyyn]

I would still be using my 1060 if it didn’t explode ☹️

[@cyjan3k823]

I sold gtx1060 6gb in 2021 because I thought I need a laptop, now I Have 6800xt and tbh 1060 was just good enough for things I need. 6800xt is overkill (in my case) and I play games like 4 hours a week... It is very cool thing and I am happy I had money to buy that but its Just reality check for me, the fact that I dont play even half of the time I played with older card

[@aFutureSelf]

​@@cyjan3k823yeah a lot of the games out there cap out at 6800xt/3080 level for reasonable frame rates.

[@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716]

Pretty sure my rx 7900 xtx destroys your 1060

[@brandyyn]

@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 I’m not sure if even 1 person asked

[@Teraplexor1]

Not sure why but love performance comparison videos like this, scratches a mental itch.

[@K3Vz0]

was thinking the same thing lol

[@WIProgress]

Comparison is human nature. Very fun👍

[@leonader9465]

Same here. Humans like seeing numbers go up.

[@theviniso]

@@leonader9465 Which just proves that Cookie Clicker is the greatest game of all time

[@mattymclaughlin5900]

You got a touch of the tism

[@j.c.denton2312]

A video comparing modern games at lowest settings to highest settings seems pretty interesting

[@randomrandom6855]

Would open up eyes what we really need to run the games at with minimum effort for maximum eyecandy

[@lolcat]

​@@randomrandom6855textures and models really

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

Digital foundry doesn't quite do this, but they do make optimized settings lists. Pretty much cutting back anything that doesn't have a noticeable impact on visuals.

[@ThePepperskate]

The thing with the 200 dollar RX 480 is that back in 2016, that card wasn't even a budget card, it was easily enough to play almostany game at 1080p High or Ultra with solid FPS. I'm still looking to upgrade, but with even the "budget" options often times not even offering a VRAM increase while costing at least 300 dollars, I think I'm just going to hold on for dear life. Just recently upgraded my CPU, Motherboard and Ram and all that together cost less than a GPU upgrade would, while also offering a much higher raw performance increase.

[@silvere4gle648]

Facts and crossfiring it made it nearly on par with the 1080 for like way less

[@Ometecuhtli]

It wasn't a bad card but the problem was that the architecture was very inefficient compared to Nvidia's offerings, the next gen were just basically overclocked editions and not worth a 500 series imho. Crossfire had it issues (I was tempted to pair my 470 with a 570 that just got to the $100 mark in the US), great when it worked but when it didn't you were out of luck, much like the unpredictability that Philip is describing here with the 6500 XT.

[@ShieTar_]

@@Ometecuhtli Yeah, but even at 2023 Power cost, a 200$ card wasting 100W or less per hour of gaming will be the cheaper than the efficient 300$ offering for a good 5000 hours. Less if you game a lot in Summer and need use more power to cool down the gaming room, more if you game a lot in winter and just heat the room with the PC. So from the gamers personal commercial perspective, even the most powerhungry AMD cards were usually still a good deal if you didn't somehow manage to game for well above 1000 hours per year (=20 hours a week).

[@allxtend4005]

you know you can get a Rx 6600 xt nowdays for under 200$ ? this card is more then enough for 1080p or the Rx 7600 cost 200-300$ and beat the RTX 4060. if you have that old gpu then you are 100% playing in 1080p (like the most pc gamers), then you really just need a Rx 6600 Xt or non XT or a Rx7600, from Nvidia you can get a used RTX 3080 for around 280 euro and it is a very powerfull card (but we all know why this card is selling so cheap used, because this card has no future).

[@815TypeSirius]

My suggestion after the 2080 was shite was this is history repeating like when pixel shaders came out, it wasn't till the 580 and really the 680 wjere pixel shaders were free. Only its worse because prices are like 5X so waiting is the only smart play

[@SzotyMAG]

Thanks for finally calling out tech reviewers only benchmarking ultra settings. I'd say the vast majority of gamers can't play on everything ultra, and it makes it really hard to get a good idea of how good budget cards are

[@Eleganttf2]

Your problem with your statement is that, this is benchmarking old low end cards so who tf expects to bench it at Ultra settings ?? tech reviewers use Ultra or even high is enough on modern gpus so your comment is irrelevant

[@X_irtz]

They benchmark in ultra settings to show you the worst case scenario performance results.

[@Joric78]

They are reviewing for raw performance comparisons which then translate well to comparatively objective, and broadly applicable, bang for buck analysis. They aren't reviewing the difference in playable performance and optimised settings between cards, as that information is too subjective and game/application specific. Although it certainly has been done before. I remember when HardOCP switched to that style of benchmarking and reviewing, showing the difference in their optimised settings and overlaid frame time graphs as their metrics, and it has some value.

[@DebasedAnon]

There's nothing to call out really its just unfeasible. If you gave me a choice between ultra and "optimised" settings I'd choose ultra because its the worst case scenario for the product and its easily comparable between cards. The problem with testing it on ultra and then doing it again on "Optimised" is that it gets ridiculous for channels like Hardware Unboxed that test dozens of GPU's for each review in countless games, imagine the ridiculous time commitment that is already is currently x2. Channels that aren't as thorough as Hardware Unboxed or Gamers Nexus could start doing it though yeah, ik the recent controversy with LTT is still fresh but their benchmarks were always unimpressive in terms of variety of either hardware or software so they could easily afford to do this. Sadly for the time being it will remain something only smaller hardware channels are able to do (due to having less cards) or channels like this one which only do hardware related videos every now and then.

[@KrissFliss]

It would be great if they did test the lowest settings too tho@@X_irtz

[@jamalgoblinschlong]

During black friday 2016 I bought a GTX 1060 for $150. That was less than half a year after it launched. Now, soon to be a decade later, it still manages to play most games. The fact that we'll likely never see such price/performance cards again is sad. I know this is said almost every time someone looks back at the GTX 10xx series or the AMD cards of the same generation, but that generation of GPUs was just something else.

[@Ciffer-1998]

what does price to peformance even mean, its subjective scaling of value

[@RM-el3gw]

@@Ciffer-1998 performance can be measured, genius. It's not subjective

[@Ciffer-1998]

@@RM-el3gw yes it can but to what, you do realise that if we look at the numbers rtx4090 has better price to peformance ratio then gtx 1060 had yet no one would say that, which is why i sayed that price to peformance is a subjective term which people use when they want to say that something something peforms (by their individual standards) good for the price

[@yossarian00]

​@@Ciffer-1998are you handicapped

[@Hennannice]

@@Ciffer-1998 what

[@Ruftinator]

I still find it funny how older games look significantly different on low vs ultra settings and that new games visually only turn down all the fancier effects and leave it at that lol

[@tourmaline07]

Some newer titles also don't scale up as well in terms of FPS going from low to ultra I find too

[@reappermen]

New games do that as well, although it is les snoticeable. There's various background optimisation nowadays even within presets. Due to stuff like VRAM amount, memory bandwith and various other factors if a higher preset e.g. adds in more shrubs, the performance optimisers might not render/load a significant chunck of them in practice. Not al games do that, but most major engines have features like that.

[@OutlawedPoet]

Could be totally wrong here but I'm guessing modern games relying on blurry temporal AA to undersample everything probably has something to do with it.

[@ebridgewater]

For general info, currently (Aug 2023), the best GPUs you can get for £200 are the GTX 1660 Super, RX 6600 and Arc A750, all available starting at exactly £200.

[@II_Gyros_II69]

​@@2kliksphilipAnd while almost every "CS youtuber" fights for children to develop gambling addictions, kliksphilip fights for everyone to learn some healthy spending habits ^_^ Hats off Sir ^_^

[@ML_314]

​@@2kliksphilip I managed to find a used Acer OEM 1660 Super for just 60 EUR! Yes, sixty. It's now doing it's job absoluetly brilliant along with a R5 5600 on a MSI B450 Board. Thanks for your great work. I always get a smile on my face when I see a notification for a new kliksphilip video! :)

[@itsdokko2990]

@@ML_314 brother, if that card lasts a good while, you may have made the deal of deals with that purchase

[@donaldfrankcheadlejr.1244]

​@@ML_314lucky bastard

[@TheOzzy438]

I was really lucky and managed to get a 1080 ti for £190 (2500 NOK in Norway) last year. I had a r9 390 before that. Planning to upgrade to a 40-series card eventually though, mainly because I want to play around with LLMs and text-to-image AIs.

[@abdullahalkhatib1416]

I was using the 1070 Founders for 5 years. and it ran almost all games at high at 1080p 60+ fps And even after upgrading My brother took my 1070 and still was able to play games at 1080p until last week when he upgraded That card was soo good.

[@mikkelens]

I’m still using my 1070 playing fps games at alright framerates, just some occasional stutters in apex. I really damn wish there was actually a decent value proposition for a new card. 6 years and some later the 1070 can still be considered competetive in the budget range!

[@nintendork07]

i'm in a similar spot with my brother's 1080ti build (and i5-8400) from 2018. really no reason to upgrade when i'm playing on a 1440p monitor. easily get 60fps in pretty much every game with some sensible settings tweaks

[@Dylan-uf7uf]

I'm still using my 1070, although I don't play too many newer games it still keeps up at med settings 2560x1440p @60-70fps in most games or optimised low settings 1440p @120fps for competitive or FPS games. Funnily enough Minecraft is probably the most taxing game I play. Vanilla used to be 120+fps at decent render distance (20-30 chunks) now runs like dogwater from all the updates (12 chunks 60-100fps big spikes). Not unplayable but not fun. Performance mods are now a neccessity even for newer cards and Lithium, Sodium etc. allows almost max render 144fps so it really shows how games have become less optimised over time. I fear that cards might become less optimised as well.

[@Michy20]

Since 2018 I'm rocking a 1070ti oc to 2GHz and it still runs fine at 1440p, it's an incredibly good card

[@TrulyToxicGaming]

@@Dylan-uf7uf Thats almost entirely due to your CPU, Minecraft doesnt really care about your gpu (unless using shaders). But they have absolutely destroyed Java fps over the last few years, prolly because they want people to play on bedrock, but yea playing without performance mods is just pain lol

[@KrazyJohnnySvK]

A year ago I moved to nvidia from r9 380x to a rtx 3060 and learned what DPC latency is, audio crackling sounds and in-game stutters caused by a latency. Never had any problem like this with AMD, yet nvidia can't seem to fix it. Would be nice to see a comparison between AMD an Nvidia cards. Great video as always Philip.

[@habama1077]

Do you use the HDMI audio on the card? Sorry, I'm just a little confused. To my understanding, if you use an on-board audio solution (a jack on the motherboard, for example), the GPU shouldn't impact it (without a CPU bottleneck). It's not really part of the audio pipeline. Maybe the audio driver was waiting on a thread that was used by a GPU driver call, and misses buffers? I don't think that should happen with a decent CPU. Most schedulers would just move the processing to a free thread. Maybe a PCIe sound card can "compete" where the GPU tries to use too much bandwidth (to the point where the CPU or chipset can't handle it)? I've used LatencyMon while setting up my PC (3060 Ti, i5-12600K) and while it's great and all that, but it can also mislead. It told me my computer could have problems, but when it comes to heavy real-time processing (FL Studio, big project, etc.) I never get artifacts, and my latency is under 10 ms. ASIO probably helps with that, but other protocols work fine too. Interestingly, the only place where I _do_ get crackles, is the Windows system sounds. It's almost like they aren't processed on a real-time thread, or when they get spawned, the scheduler isn't fast enough, before the device expects a buffer.

[@Ciffer-1998]

better to have stutters with Nvidia then having your gpu drivers just disapearing with AMD

[@sahande.2557]

My GTX 1080 served me well, but that card had started to be iffy with newer titles @1440p, I decided to go for a used 6900xt for $330, so far it's been awesome. Almost double the performance of my 1080 and no perceivable defects with the card. The used market is where the value is at atm.

[@ALph4cro]

330 for 6900xt is one killer of a deal. Lucky.

[@Ciffer-1998]

no way that fps is just "almost double" is there a cpu bottleneck?

[@rubindublone5932]

You could try implementing the 1% low bars into the avg ones like der 8auer does, looks cleaner and more comparable

[@hundrds1283]

I loved my 580 but I screwed myself when I bought the 4GB model. Eventually I sold it and bought a 5700XT that has does everything I need it to. I really hope we get a practical price to performance 1440p card in the future.

[@Eleganttf2]

it already exist and its called RX 6700 XT sooo

[@itsdokko2990]

@@Eleganttf2 i should have spent more and buy the 6700XT. i bought the 5700XT, but damn, for what i play, that one is a solid card and can't really complain

[@hundrds1283]

@@Eleganttf2 I plan on upgrading in two years, so I hope the same is true with 7700 XT

[@MyrKnof]

@@itsdokko2990 both 5700XT and 6700XT are quite solid cards.

[@wizzalien7796]

@@hundrds1283 when its price drops, if you have a heafty enough psu the 6950XT is actually an insane grab for non raytracing performance.

[@Schaddn]

I love that you keep Deus Ex in our minds, thank you for your service

[@_mailer]

Mankind Divided was the first game that I bought on Steam sale (Deus Ex collection) that brought my old i5-3570K + GTX 760 built to its knees. When I thereafter upgraded to an i5-10600K + GTX 1660 SUPER, I finally got to properly experience the game and it is a good looker. I really enjoy the game, despite how stubbed the main story is. There is still lots to augment and explore.

[@Exnem]

Whenever someone mentions it, I strongly consider reinstalling it every time. Sometimes I do

[@MJ-uk6lu]

Old one is pretty cool game and it runs on potatoes. If you really want Cyberpunk like game, but all you have is ancient Intel HD, then they are very worth playing. And they are cheap and on GOG. Meanwhile Mankind Divided might even run well on AMD APU.

[@reto]

2:45 I'm in data science and these graphs are better than what many hardware review channels produce.

[@plus_osu]

late as shit but in your opinion what would you change about the graph

[@nideko4384]

480 and 1060 still holding up to this day just shows how much the budget segment has stagnated for the last few years. New cards just cost more while offering less performance than their predecessors sometimes. Because of this, these older cards are now amazing value for money. I built my PC during peak mining craze, so all I could afford at the time was a 5600G and no GPU to tide me over. Once things calmed down I started looking for upgrades and I managed to snag a 480 4gb for about 60 euros. Only problem with it is that the silicon is degraded to the point where it is unstable at stock speed, but it's been running problem-free for the last 5 months after a slight downclock, and it still runs anything I throw at it. Amazing little card! Even if it were to go kaput on me they only get cheaper and cheaper so I can get a new one without trouble too!

[@vogonp4287]

Heck, the RX 5700 XT actually performs similarly to the RTX 3060, and costs around $150 used.

[@zet7914]

⁠@@vogonp4287still cost around 200€ (same price as a 1080ti or 2080 used) in Europe for some reason

[@Blox117]

i got 3070 used for 300. buy used

[@predragmatic320]

i bought it a month ago for 100e used@@vogonp4287

[@MJ-uk6lu]

@@zet7914 Few shops are trying to sell some 580s for 800 Euros where I live. That's more than 6950 XT that they also sell. They are not right in their heads.

[@blunderingfool]

Suggestion, you could compress your graph by overlaying the 1% lows overtop of the main score, dark on bright, may make it a bit easier on the eyes. Also the 480 was a great little trooper, just like my HD7750 was a fantastic little trooper!.. and now my vega56 is being the great little trooper. I have an army of good little cards for some reaosn.

[@blunderingfool]

@@2kliksphilip You're welcome mate. =P

[@-fate]

@@2kliksphilip Another way to improve visibility is by adding shapes / symbols in the bars. For example, stars in the background of bar 2, squares in bar 2, circles in bar 3, etc. You can look for "accessible statistical charts" for some examples.

[@SummonerArthur]

Yeah, I had an HD7770 and it was a puny BEAST. I was able to even beat Stray with it.

[@blunderingfool]

@@SummonerArthur I still have my "Low Profile Half Height Sapphire HD7750 Nitro Plus" in a drawer. =P

[@SummonerArthur]

@@blunderingfool mine's now on my retro gaming LGA775 pc in my grandpa's house, and it is perfect for the job!

[@awesomenessinstead]

The sudden OFP music at 15:45 gave me chills ❤ Thanks for the video from a happy 6600 owner, who after long bargaining, upgraded from the one and only 480. Have a good one!

[@hanks_2210]

I reccomend adding the resolution tested at to the lowest/optimized/higher data graph. It took me a while to realize the lower end settings were at 720p Overall great video. Picking up a 5500XT now!

[@VoiceOverHangover]

I love all of these 2kliks budget GPU analyses, and I especially resonated with the clause "the real winners are the ones who bought a 1080/Ti 6 years ago and are still happily running modern games at high settings". My personal upgrade story is actually pretty funny, but the main takeaway is that - when I moved from a 1080 Ti to a 3090, the difference was barely noticeable in gaming. In fact, the most prominent change was going from a 280W GPU (Strix, reference design is 250W) to a 350W space heater. Other than that, my frame-times drastically improved at 4K (essentially a straight line all the time). But at the end of the day, I was still running the same games with similar enough visuals (high vs ultra) and at 30ish FPS more than that of what I was getting before. YES, this is a BIG upgrade, but as far as visuals go, it's mostly the same experience as on the Pascal card and wasn't as much of an improvement as moving from a 1060 to a 1070 @ 4K, where one can maybe pull 30 FPS in some games, while the other can consistently do 60 in most games at respectful quality settings with acceptable frame-times. It's called the 'bleeding edge' for a reason and the blunt bottom of every GPU generation is far more interesting to me.

[@Ciffer-1998]

idk man, i gave my gtx 1080 to my friend once i upgraded and its pushed hard with todays unoptimised games, like Remnant 2 he had to play it all on low 1080p to be able to get 40-50fps

[@VoiceOverHangover]

depends, the 1080 Ti is quite a bit faster and is nowadays an excellent 1440p card. But the keywords from your comment are "unoptimized games", 2023 has been a ROUGH year filled with problematic titles.@@Ciffer-1998

[@Ciffer-1998]

@@VoiceOverHangover yea gtx 1080ti is about 30% faster but that would still just make it run Remnant 2 at low 1080p with like 70fps

[@chazbotic]

i like the little chart with the "this is the presets i prefer to play with each card" - gives a distinct idea of where each can fit in without numbers for people that aren't keen on analysis and just want to click "play" and "medium" settings.

[@reptarien]

Really great demonstration of how badly gaming GPU's have stagnated, or are sometimes even worse at the same pricepoint. The 3060ti and 4060ti comparisons are only the tip of the iceberg!

[@figtmen5]

Still rocking a 480 8gb from 2017, and with medium to high settings it gets the job done on most, if not all, new titles. Such good bang for your buck, that GPU. Can pick them up second hand for less then a 100 euros nowadays.

[@mastracu66207]

I gamed on an overclocked 8 GB 570 I got for $80 used in 2019 and it got me through 2020 and 2021, it was very grateful too, a change of thermalpads and new thermal paste was all it took to make it run at 60 degrees in most games.

[@tadpolegaming4510]

I've had the XFX RX 590 8gb since 2019, and it still works great.

[@dithered.fansition]

1080 Ti owner - was thinking about a 4070 upgrade but your rant at the end has made me appreciate my card so much more, think I'll hold on for a few more years :)

[@ReapingRose115]

Optimised settings is always the goal. I think a lot of tech reviewers miss the mark nowadays by just testing Ultra settings and not considering a more balanced affair, and in many cases some tech reviewers forget that competitive gamers would sacrifice quality settings substantially for as many frames as their system can push. No one who wants to play Fortnite in any competitive format would choose Epic Preset over Competitive Presets or even their own balance of settings

[@untitledsurfer8503]

15:40: When this started I was still paying attention to your words, and watching the gameplay. When the music started, I noticed something strange had been happening. And then I figured out what, started laughing and couldn't pay attention to what you were saying anymore because all I could do was laugh at that gameplay lol I love your videos!

[@juancontrerasalvarado1788]

I was seriously considering changing my 5500xt for a 6500xt and you really made me appreciate my gpu that much more. Great work Phillip

[@vffa]

Upgrading after 1 gen is usually wasted money. If you stay ion the same price bracket.

[@Eleganttf2]

@@vffa well yea unless he came from the bottom of the barrel in the generation like the xx50 series or x500 series

[@Ometecuhtli]

@@Eleganttf2 That's the point, have to move to another price bracket for it to make sense as usually the cards that add more VRAM or something else are cutting corners in GPU performance for example, if it's in the same 180-200 pound/euro/dollar range as the previous gen.

[@chillerfive]

philip quickly becoming one of my favorite GPU reviewers.... there's something about how down to earth these reviews are and how real he is with the settings he chooses to run at and the overall sysyem... I know the LTT drama is very present for us all right now but anecdotally one thing that really stood out to me in Gamers Nexus original piece was the criticism of the AMD 7950x3D review by LTT. How they couldn't replicate their results (sometimes even by 15% i believe) and then got personal 1 on 1 advice on how to tune the memory by AMDs engineers. Perfectly encapsulates my experience with new RAM and CPU that i bought but didn't see numbers anywhere close to reviews... until i found out about the details they jump through to optimize RAM and that high end RAM and motherboards are necessary for that kind of performance... very tangential to this video but I wanted to just put out there how comfortable I am with Philips reviews and his findings.

[@ProbablyNotAChicken]

RX 480 is on par with the 1080 Ti in terms of absolute bang for buck, awesome little cards

[@zet7914]

RX 470 was better price/perf wise tbh

[@markolumovic2750]

How in a hell is 1080ti "little card"?It is literally bigger card and way more expensive being flagship back in a day.Little cards as you call them were 1060 6/1060 3gb and rx 480/8/4gb but probably best bang for a buck were rx470/570.1080 ti was and still is monster compared to those cards.

[@fatalitydead]

still rocking an rx 580 8GB on one of my computers and honestly super happy with its performance today given the price I paid for it so long ago which would be unbelievable today. What a warrior of a card. Can still run everything so I don't have to spend more for less... The 6500XT gets destroyed simply because it has HALF THE VRAM of the much older cards and that is becoming more and more important in today's games.

[@StarmenRock]

Its about bus size too. Rx 580 has a 256bit bus.

[@MJ-uk6lu]

It's not just that, but also bus. If 6500 XT runs out of VRAM, then it stutters badly (more like micro halting tbf). RX 580 doesn't suffer so badly for going over VRAM limits.

[@TheRacePig]

The stagnation at the low end of GPUs is honestly really depressing, I'd imagine a lot of lower income and younger people just can't really get good experiences in a lot of new PC games. Bums me the hell out, cause that was me once. I may have a 3090 now but I sure as hell struggling to run a bunch of games back in the day because all I had was the dreaded Nvidia geforce MX440.

[@siyzerix]

It ain't lower income people. Its people in developing countries that are screwed. They already have to pay 20-30% tax over US prices, so a low end card costs the same as a midrange one in US. Add to that low end is not improving, well thats just depressing for PC gaming.

[@TheRacePig]

@@siyzerix I'm not American so that's literally Me.

[@siyzerix]

@@TheRacePig Same here. that's why I use gaming laptops. Cheaper than desktops in my place since its just 1 thing getting taxed instead of many things.

[@Eleganttf2]

MX440 ? are you some magician or something ? xD making made up gpus the MX series doesn't have 440,maybe you meant 450

[@Eleganttf2]

Then the problem in your argument is that, its definitely not for younger people, its like saying "its depressing that kids cant buy cars and experience driving cars because they cant afford one" they need to earn and work hard to get their worth

[@Lycosa]

Good video. I love how you cover and appreciate cheaper hardware (even when owning an overkill 13900k+4090 PC).

[@anmolsaxena_]

As someone looking to get a sub $200 card, this video is incredibly insightful Best thing to do is buy a used rtx2070, which can be had for that price

[@lectorfrostbite7937]

You can still get a new rx 6600 for about 180-200. The card has been discounted a ton of times since its release and has made the rx 6500xt redundant.

[@R3TR0J4N]

​@@lectorfrostbite7937cool thanks for sharing, comes handy for me since I'm upgrading

[@MJ-uk6lu]

@@lectorfrostbite7937Sometimes even 6650 XT goes for that money

[@giserson2]

I got an RX 480 in early 2017 and only recently upgraded to a used RX 5700XT. I'll probably keep buying used cards around this price range in the future.

[@spooty75]

Credit to the 900 series nVidia cards too! I'm still running my EVGA 980 Ti, factory OC and hybrid cooled, always at 1440p and it still works fine. Sure, new games and more intensive titles don't often hit that 100+ fps mark, but it's still a trooper all these years later.

[@Ciffer-1998]

"don't often hit that 100+ fps mark" how about that 30fps mark lol, gtx 1080 can barelly hold 40-50fps at 1080p in latest shity optimised games

[@despondentanura6939]

Do a video on the 1080ti. Can pick them up for 200$ second hand and is still an insane card

[@deenman23]

its shit these days,got a friend that has a 2080ti that struggles with even not very demanding games like dying light 2

[@hellsing0999999999]

@@deenman23Sounds like your friend has a problem with something else unrelated to his GPU

[@WyattOShea]

Before I upgraded to a 6900xt my previous card was a 1080ti which ran dying light 2 at 1440p with fsr on with decent fps numbers so idk what your friend is doing wrong with their 2080ti which is much faster than a 1080ti if he can't run dying light 2 at good enough fps numbers lol.@@deenman23

[@parallacksg]

Wild to see the 480 still cranking decent frames considering how old it is.

[@Bassalicious]

Price to performance has been being stagnating or even regressing for way too long. Especially in the low to mid tier of cards. Great video all around, love to see some more real world scenarios instead of the usual AAA game I have no interest in rendered at 4k with raytracing.

[@pjs31416]

That was one of the most useful reviews of entry level graphics cards I have seen for ages, focussing on what can it do rather than "SUX @ ULTRA 4K!!!!" from people gifted 4090s

[@HaasTheFirst]

Love the lan party clip. Me and my friends still do a lan once a year, nothing can beat that fun!

[@katherinelong1568]

The graph isn't bad at all but I'd recommend a few, small improvements. I would increase the font size I would put the 1% lows underneath the average columns, which would give you half the columns, making it easier to read. And I would perhaps colour code the columns to represent age or performance like making the older GPU colour more grey. Don't beat yourself up about it though, it's prettier than ltt

[@johncruelty1]

man I love the music in your videos, its so good

[@seraphin01]

I used to always buy the, back then, low/mid range gpu at 200/300 bucks and there were always great deals.. my 580 (despite being a 4gb I believe) can still run overwatch and most of my games perfectly fine on my old pc.. price increase on newer gpu dropped the ball so hard.. you need at least 500 to 600 bucks nowadays for that kind of cards, it's freaking nuts

[@threesixtydegreeorbits2047]

13:36 oooohh. that bit praising the backplate on a product this expensive ooof. I didnt know i missed your hardware videos so much philip. heart aski art, i cant do since im on a mac and use a blank keyboard.

[@progammler]

Even for more expensive cards the fps / $ actually got a lot worse with rtx2000 and rtx4000...

[@Ciffer-1998]

depends on how you look at it, like if you dont compare every generation then it seems much better like going from gtx 1080 to rtx 4080 you get 3x higher fps while costing just 2x more

[@666dreamboat]

Great video Philip, that lan party with a couple of mugs of tea made me miss my friends, gonna get a big game together I think. ❤

[@CobaltSpace]

An interesting idea might be to test these games using DXVK & VKD3D, or in Linux.

[@jotape15]

I have been looking forwad to update my 5500XT the last year, but whichever game I want to play it gets its job done. The most intense game I have played was TLOU, which run pretty decently at launch and with time and patches it has gotten better.

[@keineahnunglol2]

You guys should check out the 5700, got one for 120€ and it's performing really awesome for the price.

[@ohboiiPumba]

Feels good being confirmed that it would be a waste of money to swap out my RX480 NITRO+ at this point in time. Great video as always, thank you!

[@the_niklakis]

I bought a barely used 1080 for 230€ in 2019, best hardware purchase I ever made lol

[@Bassalicious]

must've been tempting to sell it for quadruple that price two years later

[@Ometecuhtli]

Wow, that's an excellent price for a 1080

[@the_niklakis]

It was but I would end up with no GPU and the prices for a new one were too high lol@@Bassalicious

[@jolang8022]

The 6500 XT is really limited by the 4 GB VRAM. There was good reason to disregard it compared to lower priced 6GB (used 1060, 2060) or 8GB options.

[@solidtoco6896]

This types of comparison are SO good. Love it.

[@olnnn]

Difficulty with all of these is that all of them exist in both 4 and 8 gb variants. Wonder if the 8 gb variant of the 6500 XT would do better. Though the 6500 XT is more bandwidth limited and only a handful variants are 8GB while the 8GB variants of the two other ones are quite common.

[@Flapfuzzledaddle]

Keep in mind that RX480 was released in 2016 - 200$ back then adjusted for inflation would be 255$ today. For that much you could buy an RX6650XT or a RTX3060 new which are awesome 1080p cards. ...or you could buy something like RX5700 for £145 from CEX, have the same experience and call it a day.

[@kamelontti3926]

I'd like you to revisit the GTX 970. A legendary card that still holds up to this day.

[@tek_lynx4225]

It'll be worse then the 480, its Legendarily gimped with its weird inability to fully access all its vram at once. Once it hits 3.5gb+ It tanks.

[@tired_moonwave]

Ultra settings really are redundant. I do medium-high so I can do 1440p 170hz decently well with my 3070 ti. Glad you show the important stuff.

[@nogussy]

Just remember if you turn the Anisotropic Filtering from 4x to 2x, you should expect double the FPS because its anisotropicing half as much.

[@CPSPD]

Wow! This setting is so expensive. My 0.1% lows got 0.1% lower :(

[@Bassalicious]

checks out yeah

[@hi_its_jerry]

and he just casually drops actual helpful GPU benchmarks like no one's business! thanks, Phil

[@burger406]

mine cost around 1 million dollers and it does not turn on -burger40

[@anmolsaxena_]

6

[@Ometecuhtli]

Have you tried another slot?

[@BlueSkyDefender]

This video is a eye opener. Thank you for the information.

[@TheBeeOBee]

The rx580 was amazing. It would compete with the 1070 on some compute tasks.

[@mzza]

I went from 220€ gtx 660 to 180€ rx 480 8gb after I think only 4 years (both within 6 months of launch) and had easy 3x performance increase and 4x vram. Now after 7 years I'm still waiting for something on that level or at least a 200€ card that beats the consoles.

[@thatcatalyst]

The sad part is that GPU innovation has stopped, it's insane that the 1080 ti, a 6 year old card, is competitive with a 2023 card, and Nvidia, just decided that instead of finding new tech or a new architecture to improve performance, just went monkey mode and said:"let's just add a giant chip that burns 2000w and runs at 90c idle lmao"

[@MrErball]

Never mind benchmarking Deus Ex MD, you used the background music throughout. God yes, king stuff right here.

[@kosty_1]

I still feel like the RX 480 is a new gpu

[@azaz20244]

a new gpu that lacks the performance to play modern AAA games maybe

[@colbyboucher6391]

It's six years old...

[@Dennis-ud2nh]

2:30 the chart is perfectly intuitive and no explanations are needed in my opinion.

[@gabboman92]

phil please stop using harry potter for benchmarks. I am sure you can find better stuff.

[@xdalin]

Indeed. As a long time viewer, please avoid the transphobic and highly problematic series of Harry Potter as much as you can.

[@imalsoTOMATO]

I had an FX-8350 paired with a 8GB 480 rig that I passed down to a friend recently that served me very well, even with the bottleneck that the 8350 had I was still able to play new games coming out, it's crazy to see that's still the case with a 7 year old card.

[@dv_xl]

Showing the best playable setting for each game is possibly the best new visualisation I've seen in a while

[@KarlDaKrab]

great video mr philip. keep it up :)

[@therealdevcat]

You didn't even watch it yet.

[@AbeOfArabia]

very nice analysis of older budget cards stacked up against each other. thank you for this content

[@gx_baum2114]

I bought a rx480 years ago and have been gaming on it ever since. Thanks for assuring me that i have made a good decision One day, when the card prices are on a sweet level i will upgrade Until then i will endure

[@BlockThrone]

I bought a 6500XT as soon as it came out. Couldn't believe I could get a new graphics card for €215 in February 2022. It works fine for what I used it for and still does today. The only thing I'm missing is the media encoding engine and a few more lanes of PCIe would be nice for older systems as it does hinder it significantly. Last week I got a 6700XT for €360 so that'll be a nice upgrade, once it finally arrives.

[@SomeRandomGuy121]

Your being milked bro, we all are!! 2 GPU's in 2 years... Markets being saturated, people are being lured in to buy more, more of the time! Subpar product's you can upgrade again in another 2 years, entry level stuff bought with your lack of cash at the time that will push you to that 7700xt 8700xt sooner.

[@SomeRandomGuy121]

The ploys are endless, its legit make em buy in then make em buy in again.

[@jfolz]

This reminds me of how HardOCP would do their reviews many years ago. Instead of comparing performance with the same settings, they targeted "playable" settings for each card. You could compare what it looked like and whether spending more for a faster card was worth it. Obviously this was all very opinionated, starting with what they considered "playable" and which settings would give the best trade-off between visuals and performance, but it was nevertheless much more useful than reporting 20 fps at 4k max settings. I fear that this would not work today, given how text reviews are mostly dead and this kind of detail translates really badly to video. Though TBH hardware reviews in video form are bad anyways...

[@xevilfriend4282]

I bought a 480 way back when - I sold it when I decided to upgrade to the 3060ti. Seeing how it performs in these new titles makes me feel oddly happy. As mad as I was that the 580 came out like a month after I bought my 480. If only I had knew.

[@ded5351]

I still use a jacked up 580 8gb and it's pretty good even though I'm running most things at 1440p. Insane how good, reliable and long lasting the card is. Think I got it off a crypto miner too

[@Knorrkator]

Bold choice to show an LTT review

[@iheuzio]

Thanks for covering this

[@ThisBusch]

Really good video! Other hardware reviewers etc. should take note.

[@WayStedYou]

15:23 the sheer heat of that room with multiple people and PCs inside must be insane

[@OrangeGenerator]

I love your love your Half Life and Deus Ex and sharp contrast bar graphs that could do with some more refinement.

[@SU10KT]

another banger thank mr kliks

[@plebisMaximus]

I'm honestly just really surprised the 5500 is still running this well. There's a lot of hype around the top end cards every generation, but we're at a point now where even the "budget" cards - while getting increasingly less budget - can run your games just fine if you don't feel a biological need for absurd resolutions and raytraced lighting.

[@DIE2dayORelse]

As a previous RX480 owner I can confirm they were much better, 250 in 2017 for an 8 gb card that still holds up today in budget systems

[@klyborg129]

I'd love to see you do a video on "how bad are modern day low settings, really?" By comparing modern titles low vs high or ultra settings.

[@LoveBbyJay]

Over 9,000/10 video, as always!

[@tayumapower]

Bought a secondhand 5700XT on Ebay, that had been used for mining purposes. Only paid 180CAD for it a year ago, and it's been a massive upgrade from the venerable GTX 980 I had in my rig. I've never had any issue with it, and it still runs the latest games with little to no flaws at 1440p (Except Darktide. Holy shit this game is demanding).

[@sgdude1337]

In 2016 the gtx 1060 3gb launched at $200, which performed pretty similarly to a flagship card (780 Ti) from 3 years prior. Even accounting for inflation that would be like getting a 3080-class card (rtx “4070”) for $250 today

[@cybernd6426]

I also own an RX 480 8GB, as my oldest GPU, that I got in 2017. I used it till 2020, because it had some problems, but since then it runs perfectly fine, and it is always fun to me to look into how good it is now

[@average_potato]

This man could make a cooking video and i would still watch it and have fun

[@im36degrees]

my favorite part of this video is your lan party footage... i wish i had rl friends that nerdy

[@edgarzakarian1649]

I liked the engaging story telling, while still giving the facts and test values. "They're just colours, don't read into it "😂

[@Ametisti]

As a longterm owner of a 480 (8GB), I've been happy with it. Replaced a GTX670 with it. It works decently for 1440p and even some VR. I haven't seen anything worth upgrading to without drastically overspending. Ubisoft titles have been the hardest things to run, Ghost Recon, Watch Dog 2 and Crew 2 needed a lot of tweaking to look fine but playable

[@boneiy]

After watching this vid as a 5500 XT owner, my arms hurt now because I was patting myself on the back every time a new graph would come on-screen.

[@OrcCorp]

A cool comparison. Nowadays, you can buy a used 3060 Ti for $200 usd, or even a 3070. 220-250€ here in Finland. It's more powerful than a 4060 Ti (in many games), and the best possible budget card today. Or you can try to find a used 6700 xt for 200 usd 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Snotnarok]

I saw someone on twitter a few months ago, believe he was a journalist, insisting that devs are optimizing their games it's just that "people bought an expensive GPU 7 years ago and expect it to run games and gamers can't expect devs to not push the envelope and you should be upgrading your GPU every 3-4 years to maintain maximum performance. I was baffled- we just recovered from not having any GPUs to GPUs being overpriced but "Devs should be always pushing their games visuals-" No, devs should be offering a game that is flexible, that have a number of settings to adjust so people can get the gaming exp they want, 120fps with mid settings or 30fps with ultra 4k whatever. Yeah, the GPUs will eventually fall off but for goodnes sakes 2023 had some of the most unoptimized slop to tumble out of the big AAA studios and it's funny how many of them apologized for not performing or even insisted their games were fine but - you might have to upgrade your rig. ONLY FOR PATCHES TO MAKE THE GAME RUN BETTER.

[@Jupa]

1:33 okay you genuinely got me there