Golf Iron Fitting | Switching From Game-Improvement Irons To Players Irons

In any golf iron fitting, it's important for the fitter to nail in the correct iron category for the players. Then, the golf iron fitting can progress and a single model can be identified that is best for his or her swing.
In this video, 2nd Swing video and content specialist Michael Bohnenstingl goes through a Tour Van iron fitting. As a 7.1 handicap, Michael is a candidate to transition from a game-improvement iron (his TaylorMade M4 irons) to a players irons that offer better feel and more workability.
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[@steverupert6988]

I just went through another iron fitting two days ago. When I was last fit, I was a 15 handicap and was fitted to some Callaway Game Improvement Irons. Now that I usually play of an 8 handicap, I wanted to get fit into a better suited iron. They had me try a number of Players-Distance irons. I told them I was open minded to whatever may be best for me, as opposed to being brand-loyal to only one. As a result, they had me try TaylorMade P790, Titleist T200, Callaway Apex, Ping i525, Srixon ZX5, and Mizuno Pro 225. After about an hour of hitting, reviewing, analyzing numbers, etc, the 225's were determined to be the best fit for me. I was also extremely impressed with how good a Mizuno iron feels--something I've never experienced before. Really excited to see how they treat me this year.

[@2ndswing]

Great feedback Steve! Sounds like you had a proper fitting. And you're right, there's just something about Mizuno irons that provide exceptional feel. Their Grain Flow Forging process delivers awesome results

[@jeffyeah4256]

Regarding testing what made the 225 stand out? Were they more forgiving or gave u more distance compared to the other irons?

[@steverupert6988]

@@jeffyeah4256 Hi, Jeff. That's a pretty big question to answer because there were a lot of factors. To be honest, I went in really wanting the new P790's. I thought they looked great, and all the reviews I watched talked about how good they were. Ultimately, as we went through the process, a few of the irons were easily eliminated. For example, I think it was the T200 that looked way too much like a blade for me. Very small head, and it seemed very unforgiving, and my numbers backed that up (not good). Maybe I'm just not good enough for that club at a 9.2 handicap? Then, the Ping i525 were easily eliminated too. Not only were the numbers not as good, it felt like I was hitting a brick. Compared to most of the other irons, which felt very good, the Ping felt hard to me. In fact, I was so surprised I asjed the fitter to get a new head thinking maybe something was wrong with it. But the second one was just as bad as the first for me. I should probably mention at this point that they're all great clubs, and I don't think there is any one best golf club for everyone. Rather, I think there is a best club for each person, and that Ping did not fit me well at all. Next was the Callaway Apex. I really liked the feel, and since I was coming from a Callaway iron already, I felt like I was favoring it, but I just couldn't get past that strange rounded head they use on the back of the club. The ball speed was also lower, and I'm really not sure why. So with the Titleist, Ping, and Callaway easily eliminated, that left the TaylorMade P790' s I was wanting, the Mizuno Pro 225's, and Srixon ZX5's. From there we really honed in on the numbers. Coming from a 15 handicap where I was at during my last fitting to now being a 9.2 who normally plays an 8, they told me we need to start dialing in all of my launch, decent, and spin numbers. Doing that, the 225's jumped out to an early lead with the fastest ball speed (120.3), had the tightest dispersion, and seemed to be the most forgiving on my mishit shots. For reference, I was swinging a 7 iron with an average clubhead speed of 90mph. Upon further inspection, I noticed that the P790s seemed to have a smaller head. I don't mean that the top line was thinner; rather, the length of the head from heel to toe seemed shorter than the 225 and ZX5, which gave the appearance of a less forgiving club, thereby giving me less confidence standing over it. But since I really wanted it going in, I kept trying it over and over. But the numbers just weren't as good, and as much as I hated to admit it, it didn't feel near as good as the 225 or the ZX5. However, the 790 felt much better than the old Callaway irons I was using, so it was a bit like splitting hairs. Thus, I reluctantly agreed to let go of the idea that I'd be getting the P790s. Just weren't for me. Now down to the 225 and ZX5, I personally preferred the look and feel of the 225. However, the 7 iron numbers on the ZX5 were coming back slightly better. For example, I was told we want to get my launch angle up to 15*, spin rate in the high 5000 rpm range, and my decent angle at 45* (ideally) (and it's possible I'm misremembering these). The ZX5 was essentially hitting all of those benchmarks, and the 225's were just slightly behind in all of the categories. As a result, I initially thought I was going to the ZX5 . BUT, on a whim, I happened to ask what the lofts were on each iron. That was a huge finding because he quickly noted that the 225 is a 30* 7 iron, whereas the ZX5 is a 31* 7 iron. Said another way, the ZX5 is weaker, has more loft, and is understandably creating the better numbers. So we took a different 225 head, bent it back to 31* to match the ZX5 and found that not only did it have as good of numbers, it also felt better, looked better, and seemed much more forgiving. To be fair, look and feel are very subjective and that will vary from one person to another. But that 225 Pro at 31* was giving me 119 mph ball speed, 15.4* degree launch angle, and 5764 rpm of backspin on average. I believe I was carrying it around 171 yards, with a total distance of 175 yards (on average). But given all of this, he recommended I go with the 225 Pros, weakened one degree of loft, with a Modus 105x shaft, standard length, 2 degrees up. I was then disappointed to learn that nearly all Mizuno irons are on a two month back order whereas the ZX5 and P790's can be delivered within like 10 days. But I went ahead and 'bought the bullet,' went with the 225 Pros, and will just have to wait a few months. I think it'll suck in the short term, but definitely be best in the long run. Hope this all helps. I'm really excited to get my new irons, keep working down my handicap, and simply having fun. Also, have you narrowed your search down to a few top choices?

[@jeffyeah4256]

@@steverupert6988 I went to a golftec testing in Dallas this morning...I am in the similar handicap range, drive it around 260, use b21 irons.... I was expecting Callaway apex(forged and forgiving) or ping i525(looks), and hot metal mizunos...But everything u said matched up my experience.couldn't hit th i525 or p790 at all.brick city..The golftec guy said those are more for low single digit players I believe it.. I hit it longer and more forgiving on mishits with 225, plus it has such a soft feel.Pumping 7 irons 170..Said my swing speed is too low and had much better results with graphite shafts..Never hit a mizuno in until today..it flummoxed me because it looks like.a blade. the rogue irons were a close 2nd,and excellent too.. Got the 65 gram graphite shafts, and t22 gold colored sand wedge, and will receive in 6-8 weeks..I'm guessing tech is so good in irons that 225's can have duel abilities: length and forgiveness..Just shocked at the distance I was getting from them...Damn we had similar results.

[@barneygermany530]

The real feel of a mizuno iron, is in the 221... pure 1025 steel and no other steel combination or hollow body... but the 225 is not bad.

[@randysitzgolf]

The older gentlemen there is awesome. Did a putter fitting with him at the 2nd swing store in The Colony, Tx.

[@pvc3179]

I love watching videos on fittings. Hopefully I’ll have a better understanding for when I go. Great video. Thank you.

[@kendellkirby1160]

...this video spoke to my SOUL... lol... in the similar boat as this guy and been considering the SAME CLUBS...just time to pick a fitter...and might come see you guys in Phx...

[@Everythingis22]

I took lessons (finally) and learned how to swing correctly. I just traded in my P790s for T100S after my fitting. Couldn’t be happier. Love these irons

[@rbtjorg]

What didn’t you like about your P790’s or what made you switch?

[@Everythingis22]

@@rbtjorg don’t get me wrong, P790 is a great iron. However, my swing progressed to the point I no longer needed a game imp iron. I found the T100S was just as long, just as forgiving and has a thin top line that appeals to my eye. I can also work the ball left and right. Finally, it had a more penetrating ball flight that i was looking for.

[@jbeezy126]

I've been playing Jpx921 hot metals for 2 years now. I'm a much better ball striker now and i'm catching those flyers out of no where. I feel like I need players irons now.

[@2ndswing]

Great feedback. This is one of the main downfalls of distance-oriented irons. If you become a skilled ball striker, a slight pull of a distance iron can result in a ton of extra distance compared to a players iron. A players-distance iron might be worth testing. If you're a Mizuno fan, something like JPX Forged

[@davidmcnamara3243]

I use a combo set : mizuno mp 53 7-8 iron, mp64 9 iron, mp 69 Pw. 6 iron is a 28 deg hybrid. Best irons ever made, from the golden age of mizuno!!!!

[@taylorbertrim7625]

Played all the time up until i was 20. Just started again at 38. I went got nyself some Cobra Speedzone irons to relearn on. High loft and more forgiving. I'll switch next year when I have found my swing again and worked out any bad habits.

[@JohnnyDSR]

Nice! The 2nd Swing Channel is one of the more objective and brand agnostic channels on the air. Love your store in Wilmington DE. !! The staff is great.

[@wanderingbrummie]

Interesting, the Pings were the only ones that consistently gave him his preferred draw shape as opposed to pulls and pull draws, but he still picked the Titleist. Shows how the look of the club will trump everything else.

[@2ndswing]

Player preference still sometimes wins we can only show the customer the data but the players decision many times will be based on looks and preference - Thomas

[@wanderingbrummie]

@@2ndswing oh I agree, I went for a ping fitting a couple of weeks ago, was very disappointed that the irons I preferred the look of (525) just didn’t suit me as much as the 425s ( good shots were similar, but the dispersion was much worse). Luckily common sense won in the end and I bought the clubs that will hopefully keep me out of trouble!

[@TheDOC1988]

Good topic, I'm playing 'game-improvement' irons with regular shafts of 7. And they are ten years old!

[@Everythingis22]

I went from P790 to T100S this year. Couldn’t be happier

[@DrPatenaude]

When I first did a fitting I wasted a lot of money and screwed myself up trying to produce the same speeds my game improvement clubs that were inconsistent could make. So I swung harder than normal. Had titleist CB 716 project x LZ6.5 because I hit that “best” swinging out of control. I don’t think they emphasize that enough. I almost feel like fittings without distance. Just putting up stopping data and dynamic and spin loft data to measure kick point would help people get fit without ego. At least it would’ve helped me save a fitting and set of clubs haha

[@2ndswing]

this is a great point -- in general, so many golfers focus on distance more than they should. Distance is nice to have, but it's no good for your game if it's not consistently in play!

[@cainomac]

I wanted Mizuno JPX Forged or Srixon ZX5 so bad, ended up with Ping i210. It’s definitely important to be open minded in a fitting!

[@TidyDawg]

I'm at the other end of this, just got back into the game after many years break and picked up a set of the M4's. Pure joy to hit at the range, will see how they fair up out on the course.

[@taylorbertrim7625]

I went for the corba speedzones, same boat though.

[@user-bq4yd3nr1h]

I'm just on the taylormade burners ,would you recommend the m4 for a 12 handicap

[@josiahjones9521]

Excellent video, but you guys never mentioned lie angle. The 770s went left, could you just flatten the lie angle to achieve the ball flight you want?

[@itsmb8]

id say it depends on how he's coming into contact with the ball and ground. if the ball is going left constantly but the the strike is showing up and even (heel and toe coming into contact with the ground even) then im not sure thats something youd want to work on.

[@scottwalker145]

Great walk through of the variables. I do think the move to XStiff was too expensive in yardage. Dropped almost 15 yards on the 7 iron.

[@bornuponawave]

2:07 “let’s start dancing here”. 😂

[@Nicool333]

Very nice swing

[@jimmyjams1974]

Great video. I have never been fit and thinking about it now.

[@cameronreddy3625]

Okay, that was a really intelligent fitting. I want him to fit me!

[@jstone4071]

Great video guys. I too have been debating the switch from game improvement to more of a players iron. My game has improved over the past couple of years and I'm getting tired of the offset in the improvement irons, toss in those outlying fliers and the decision becomes much easier. I currently play the Srixon Z545 game improvement irons and have been eyeing the Z785 or ZX7's. I'm surprised the Srixon ZX7's didn't get a whirl in this fitting. Anyhow, keep it up with the awesome content and comparisons. Cheers

[@210corona]

Hair dude is on mad yayo lmao

[@paghal11]

16:15 I wonder how much the pound of dirt in the grooves of the club is affecting the fliers he sometimes gets. I wanted to clean that club so badly..... Overall, great video of the process. He's a good striker of the ball.

[@korykoster8532]

I said the exact same thing lol. Clean your damn club before you do something like this.

[@Justwanthavefun_100]

This is I been waiting for ! Transition from high hdcp to lower or Low to high !

[@mmaranta785]

I like blades because they’re easier to clean than cavity backs.

[@atxrich]

i would love to have you guys open a store in Texas! 🙏

[@home4ya]

recently did same and LOVE my i210s, M4 to these are a big jump, my i210s (T200) may be a happy medium?

[@moedark4390]

great swing, but the guy on the left needs to reduce his adderral dosage.

[@billwallenstein3387]

I would have loved to see him hit a few more shafts, especially (stiff shafts) the X’s may wear him out towards the end of a round.

[@77bovi]

Yeah was wondering if a stiff 6.0 would be good. Can a softer shaft help w fatigue etc

[@77bovi]

@Michael Bohnenstingl would be interested in a 6.0 vs 6.5 shoot out and review after playing an actual round or 2 with both shafts in the bag.

[@thomascampbellgolf]

An iron fitting is about 50 shots. 3-4 heads & 2-3 shafts unless something is really working. For Michael the biggest priority was definitely the head!

[@jonhardcoq9035]

Love to see these kinda videos with mr bobka. Just wish that yall had a location in southern ontario canada

[@nathanquillen297]

IDK but this footing compared to others channels I’ve seen seems more like a product sale. The M4’s he came in with performed better than basically everything he was given. Where’s the dispersion pattern? Where is he hitting it on the face? What’s the lie angle of each club? Ok he’s fading the ball off line a bit, where was the adjustment from the club fitter to neutral out the ball flight. This guy would’ve probably been best off getting his M4’s regroved and possibly a different shaft.

[@christianwalsh6431]

Would love to know how much the guy spent for 4-PW irons with the fitting

[@sub_second_life3174]

I’m left handed and I’ve been looking to get out of the game improvement TaylorMade Sim 2 irons. Really interested in trying a variety of different brands and when I find the head that feels best, then pair it with the right shaft. I’m looking more for tightest dispersion/ consistent workability rather than distance. Do you guys carry all the brands in lefty that you have in righty? Golf tech had very limited lefty clubs to test

[@NCtrailX]

Looks like your dispersion got much wider in switching to a less forgiving club. Maybe try a T200 or T300 or maybe the p790 instead. Too many people make decisions based on ego rather than playing the club that actually matches their swing. Zalatoris, Thomas and Speith play the T100s.

[@anthonynickerson4957]

I need new clubs for sure, I have a 25$ garage sale of clubs from like the 90s still hit 260 and +7 Ive always wondered if new clubs made a difference.

[@PartyPete199]

Would’ve liked to see the lie adjustment altered, especially as you found the right shaft and club head

[@JS44UM]

The old man is amazing to hear

[@mrecamping5496]

What's your thoughts on switching a little bit earlier with players irons. I had Callaway Maverick irons and Just got Titleist AP2 irons. The ball speed went down but I'm able to generate more spin. To make a long story short, is it viable to grind and work your way into clubs designed for a 9 or under handicapper as a 10-11 handicap?

[@wolftv6763]

definitely doable

[@riggz5496]

Damn he made a big jump didn’t he. Didn’t expect him to come out swinging like that 😂

[@digitalentropy2104]

Good video, thank you. I am currently looking to replace my aging game improvement irons and have been contemplating getting players irons as my handicap trends to single digits, but I am on the fence. I am not sure I am seeing the full value of stepping away from my super game improvement irons. I have plenty of distance, high shots with good descent angle and all the forgiveness the clubs provide. Shot shaping workability is a bit muted of course, but seems a fair cost for better misses. What am I missing, why would it be better to go to a players iron? I want to continue improving, but not seeing enough benefit to potentially make the game more frustrating with reduced forgiveness. Id truly appreciate your thoughts to help me decide!

[@WeimaranersAreTheBest]

Rogue x with xp95 shafts for me. Beat out 425s, st max, p790, pxg xf, Titleist 300s, stealths,

[@2ndswing]

Glad you found some irons that work well for you! - Thomas

[@JLong2544]

The good process of fitting by selecting the shaft then the head. I did not get the same process at ClubChampion and after paying $2.5k for a set of irons which I couldn’t play …😂

[@2ndswing]

It's generally suggested that the head makes the biggest difference (loft, club type, GC etc). Our fitting process is to test the heads against each other with the same shaft then once we have decided on the head then we can explore the shaft options - Thomas

[@joebouscaren1]

Love 2nd swing! Larry's presentations would be move effective if they were shorter and more concise.

[@7676ezra]

5:38 Tell us how you really feel 😆

[@JDawg59fifty]

I believe aesthetics is pretty much 80% of the purchase regarding of how well or bad you play them 🤷🏻‍♂️!!

[@2ndswing]

You are not alone! Lots of golfers need to have a particular look to play a club

[@ironmangolfer824]

Great video, I’ve learned a lot about importance of shaft and head combo.

[@lawbinson]

This is awesome

[@77bovi]

Mike's got game!! For this video I didnt see the metrics that proved these irons were better than his m4s. Dispersion circles etc Plus can we fit irons really just based on a 7i on a mat? What about turf interaction? That is a valid consideration.

[@2ndswing]

Hi and thanks for watching! We had an issue with the trackman screen recording unfortunately, so we could not display it for this video as we do on other videos.

[@77bovi]

@Michael Bohnenstingl hey Mike thx for the response. Ah so u mean consistent distance, that I understand well. Was thinking of dispersion because in the video the 770s were set aside because it was going left on you. Didnt know you guys have a 30 day playing guarantee, that's awesome! Hope to see more of you infront of the camera, really like your swing

[@77bovi]

@@2ndswing no probs! A verbal summary that covers what wasnt recorded would have been helpful. Always looking out for your new videos 👍

[@joebouscaren1]

Also! I have never heard spin rates are lower outside! Just the opposite off the fairway in dry conditions. (TXG and most of Google searches report +500-1000 spin outside)

[@erk-1]

Is there a 2nd swing in CA for fittings?

[@andrewleonard3987]

What is the brand of shirt that the host is wearing? Dig that button down collar.

[@lkae4]

Excluding blades, I think most golfers can play just about any clubs out there. The shaft and grip are the key. Other than that, if they give you confidence to play well, check the numbers and bag em. Life is way too short.

[@thomascampbellgolf]

No doubt they can hit any head but consistency is key. Players need a head that will provide them consistency. Whether the shaft also makes a difference is player dependent

[@lkae4]

@@thomascampbellgolf Where can I find the universal standard of consistency?

[@lkae4]

@@iananddani Maybe in a 7 iron during demo day, sure. But I had some 714 AP2s that would scare me in the longer irons during winter outings. I think that's the line for me.

[@lkae4]

@@iananddani Ok. When are you going to let all the pros who aren't playing blades know that it's all in their heads?

[@lkae4]

@@iananddani You're a potato narcissist. I bet you try to give people unsolicited swing advice at the range. And even strangers on course. SMH. I'm muting you. Stop being a narcissist. Stop being a potato.

[@harveyhelka9186]

im suprised you didnt have him try the t200s

[@WeimaranersAreTheBest]

I started opening up my stance a little like I’m playing a baby cut and helped with pulling left

[@2ndswing]

That will fix the path and face angle to get more spin axis to the right - Thomas

[@bigab207]

Isn’t that 54° land angle with the T100 a little steep for a 7 iron? Would have loved to have seen the T100s given a try

[@leafs2994]

I have a set Rsi1 irons . Score in mid 80's . Would the P790 or Stealth irons be a huge improvement? Thanks

[@Willberight2moro]

Too many variables, including shafts. I have P790 in TT 98 shafts but prefer my Srixon Z785s in nippon 105 shafts. Not much difference in performance, just preference of feel. Need to try....

[@fontane007]

I’m confused. So you have tried three brands, all 7i and found the one you like the best and are now going to pay top dollar for a set. But what about the gapping through the clubs? Also what if the top end of the irons like the 4i are really difficult to hit, so maybe you have to look at a hybrid or even the t200 with this example? Also the wedges, surely they need to be tried. I really don’t understand how you can buy a full set of irons from a shop without more testing of all the clubs you’re buying and it’s one of the main reasons why I’m still using my 10+ years old di11 irons.

[@Golf_Hack]

This wasn’t a full fitting. A full fitting takes 2-3 hour’s and nobody is going to watch that video. Plus this kid works at 2nd Swing, so he can make any changes needed. We also didn’t see his interview before the club fitting process where they ask about what irons you are comfortable hitting, such as a 3 or 4 iron compared to a hybrid. If you ever get fit for new club’s, trust me you will spend a lot of time answering questions and hitting balls.

[@fontane007]

@@Golf_Hack why wouldn't anybody want to see what a full fitting consists of? I know I would. It doesn't mean we have to see the entire session, but a rundown of everything that is done in a "full fitting" would actually be very interesting

[@2ndswing]

We have several videos on our channel of a full fitting that detail our entire process. Here's one from February 2020: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2HEYmOLopKMj9U

[@fontane007]

@@2ndswing I'll take a look

[@jamesonsiek3526]

This guy is hilarious on the left.

[@shakes2966]

could you do a video on swing weight and how that influences strike(maybe you have already)? I flush my wedges(on full swings), which are heavier, but thin my irons(1st and 2nd groove strikes). s300 on wedges, recoil 95 f4 on irons. my irons are cut down a little so maybe that has to do with it as well

[@lkae4]

Strange how almost all guys have no issues with S300 in wedges but are so varied in all other shafts. Could be swing weight, could be your tempo is too fast for Recoil and you need something like a Steel fiber. Too many variables to try to figure out yourself, probably.

[@jacksoni349]

Please clean your clubs haha, those grooves look caked

[@justinstephenson9360]

Pretty much my first thought! I mean the M4s are low spin to start of with but with grooves caked ...

[@bigk8294]

One swing and yeah that's it.

[@awsedr122]

Question, why not stick with the original shaft and change the head?

[@2ndswing]

That is also an option. Our fitting process is to test heads first then test the shafts out next - Thomas

[@henrikarbhage2113]

I can’t understand why golf fitting never look at the Angel of attack numbers. When this guy hits -4 or under he instantly says Oooo that shot felt good. Better strike when you are -4 to -5 and -6. Angle of attack generates right spin numbers generate almost same distance on carry against total. Have the ideal of -5 Angle of attack Have the ideal of 5 iron = 5000 spin 6 iron = 6000 spin 7 iron = 7000 spin And so and so👌

[@cyrusgeneral4226]

Do you guys recommend someone with a +30 get fitted or purchase game improv clubs?

[@66GordonBombay]

I was >30 last year, sitting at 20 now. 100% you should still get fit instead of just going with GI and a random shaft. They’ll have you hit as many different heads as you want but will most likely get you into a shaft that really works best for you and that alone is worth the fitting, IMO If you’re dead set on purchasing something the fitting fee will likely be waved and if you come up empty and ask for a break they will likely wave the fitting fee anyway.

[@viewthroughcass]

The wait time for Titleist sucks right.

[@lasagna3106]

F bomb at 5:40 lol

[@jbeezy126]

he said, "well struck" lol

[@shredtabulous]

Why didn't he try the P7MC? Isn't that more comparable to the T100 than than the P770?

[@2ndswing]

It was more focused on what he wanted to test but you are right the P7MC is a good comparison to T100 - Thomas

[@rogerfleming8358]

Interesting you say spin is lower outside 🤔 every other fitter says you get more spin outside than off a mat

[@lawbinson]

15:50 Another reason to have universal health care! :)

[@Dan_BCtoAZ]

It appears as though you only tested him in two shafts?

[@motodiaries8204]

You talk a lot about improving his landing angle but it doesn't change according to the launch monitor despite the higher launch.

[@kevinwash74]

I can hit blades. But when I shank one, right back to my safety zone 😂

[@blakechristenson3352]

anybody watching this have recommendations for game improving irons under $600 used? not looking to get 'fitted' until im good enough for player irons.

[@66GordonBombay]

Don’t wait to get fitted, plenty of good used stuff out there, possibly one or two models old. A proper fitting will only get you playing better that much sooner. And once you spend some time with your new (to you) clubs, get a lesson. That money spent will likely go so much further than say buying a crazy expensive putter or new driver off the shelf.

[@barneygermany530]

Only 2 shafts and 3 heads!?🤔

[@Jrbrass]

Not sure why they didn't check the lie on the different irons. If the lie is not correct, that can change the path as well.

[@petecymbalak7916]

They said at the beginning of the fitting they made the lie angles the same so they could compare apples to apples

[@Jrbrass]

@@petecymbalak7916 My bad, guess I missed it. Thanks

[@Kdpeters80]

Why no p7mc?

[@2222skinny]

Why didn’t you try t100 s

[@deepee1544]

"So since high school". 🤣🤣🤣

[@user-bq4yd3nr1h]

Why so many different shafts were all different

[@jm-um4st]

Didnt even try Mizuno. They would have won you over.

[@JCpNK]

Agree.. I was a Titleist guy until I hit a forged mizuno. Nothing like it

[@jarrodcolburne2409]

Wait, who’s working the camera?!

[@markfitzpatrick360]

Hate it when my misses go 172 yards straight!!!

[@alexestes9114]

swing softer an club up!

[@kennygr7366]

If you guys want me to continue watching your videos at work, I highly suggest you get your audio in order. JEESH

[@2222skinny]

Why not t100s

[@chrisgilligan4968]

Game improvement to Titleist's tour level club (T100)?? That's a pretty big jump. T100 is not on par with 770....that would be the T150.

[@smevox7490]

Guy shouldn't be in an X flex shaft, his tempo and swing speed doesn't dictate it.

[@solarbear8888]

Amusing that you guys always start with the most expensive shafts available. Never seen you fit someone into something they might be able to afford.

[@2ndswing]

Those shafts are all no upcharge. Certain manufacturers offer no upcharge with certain companies but most of the shafts are all no extra to order - Thomas

[@josiahjones9521]

I don't know how the hell he stuck with those m4s for 4 years. Lol

[@Richkotite1]

@Michael Bohnenstingl I got M4s three years ago, and I find them inconsistent also. Back in 2006 I was fitted before fittings became popular. I felt i was a better scorer when i played those Wishon 770CFEs. The M4s sometimes rocket launch but my scores got worse.

[@Sportsbreak149]

Dannys face scares me a bit

[@mmaranta785]

Me too

[@nastynate9529]

It is funny though hearing a player commenting on hitting flyers with their clubs, his striking is not nearly consistent enough to be hitting flyers. Likely he is just puring it once in a while and thinking its a flyer, when in reality it was just a lucky good strike lol. See this a lot with guys who switch clubs all the time.

[@patrickhoward4080]

He shoulda chosen the pings….baby push draw was better. Or flatten the lie in the t100’s

[@clydewoods7373]

Why would he not go to a p790, t200, cobra forged tec, mizuno 225 pro or something along those lines instead of a pure players club?

[@GolfRx]

said first thing... he doesn't want flyers....the clubs you mentioned have hot spot and can give unexpected distance.

[@clydewoods7373]

@@GolfRx you can have flyers with any club. He's gonna lose a lot on the course unless you adjust the lofts.

[@lawbinson]

I mean, he does not lack for distance and is looking for consistency and dispersion. The choices make a lot of sense to me…

[@GolfRx]

@@clydewoods7373 agree to disagree the only thing he is losing is little bit of forgiveness but 1. i don’t think his goal is distance at 7 handicap! 2. he is not truly losing distance M4 7i is 28.5 degree 😂.. p770 is 34degree. Comparing loft to loft, he probably doing better. 3. he is still playing cavity back irons with traditional loft.

[@clydewoods7373]

@Michael Bohnenstingl cobra forged tec I use are true to their distance. My 5 iron is 196 carry every time with correct strike. And only 5 yards off on miss hits.

[@stumarston6812]

00:40 And he hasn't cleaned them once during that time.

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for watching - Thomas

[@Jkan2001]

Complains about flyers yet the grooves are full of dirt and grass

[@nastynate9529]

his ball striking wasn't very good. imo would suggest staying with GI irons, he lost a lot of smash switching from the big irons.

[@mattdipadua3614]

T100s 🤷‍♂️

[@caintiger]

Is Danny nervous or is he always like that on camera.

[@perfectjays]

It’s not nervousness.. his pupils and mannerisms tell me something different. I hope it’s not what I’m assuming tho

[@rielbertrand8255]

@@perfectjaysI picked that up when I first seen him in videos.

[@perfectjays]

@@rielbertrand8255 yeah same brutha, once you notice it, it’s hard to not pay attention too him

[@21wyndan]

Cocaine mannerisms lol

[@timbuma3693]

What you guys mean?

[@ben1ben2ben1]

Is Thomas gone?

[@alexshearer3227]

I saw him in the background early in the video

[@thomascampbellgolf]

You can't get rid of me. This time of the year during our busy fitting season I'm needed in the fitting bays & as our channel grows we want to include more and more contributors. But I haven't gone anywhere!

[@ben1ben2ben1]

@@thomascampbellgolf Thats great to hear. You guys are all great

[@marcluciano2748]

Campbell can hit a ball his videos are great 👍 this old guy however remains me of my mother's ex-husband 😠