HIGHER EXHAUST PORT, GOOD IDEA? How Exhaust Port Timing Affects Two Stroke Performance.

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2STROKE STUFFING

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@smokepeddler
@smokepeddler 5 жыл бұрын
The. More you raise the exhaust port more blow down is created. Too much blow down is what kills the bottom end. So sometimes you have to increase transfer (raise transfer ports) timing as well to keep the right blowdown ratio.
@thirdstone4107
@thirdstone4107 5 жыл бұрын
That is a good explanation of raising the exhaust port but what happens if you lower it. I have just resleeved a two stroke cylinder and I reduced the port timing from 190 to 185.5. This was done at the same time as widening the ext port to achieve more area than before. I was hoping this would result in a longer power stroke.
@Server0750
@Server0750 6 жыл бұрын
This brings back so many memories =D I love the Peugeot sp, 103 and this newer one you are working on. If only we had mobile phones back in the day when I was working on those moppets lol.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+www.skyblock.nl Cool!
@jonnoMoto
@jonnoMoto 6 жыл бұрын
And on day 7 god invented the power valve
@EarthSurferUSA
@EarthSurferUSA 6 жыл бұрын
No, Yamaha did.
@guerrillaradio9953
@guerrillaradio9953 6 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, word! Those old 350's were so much fun....
@mareksumguy1887
@mareksumguy1887 6 жыл бұрын
I thought Kawasaki was the first to implement an exhaust valve on a 2t.
@dbmail545
@dbmail545 4 жыл бұрын
I'll have to trust you guys. I had quit racing ring-dings long before power valves appeared on production bikes.
@jjhack3r
@jjhack3r 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha that he did... That he did...
@markusfrei9154
@markusfrei9154 6 жыл бұрын
Have you ever seen a Agria 1700? This is a old kind of "Tractor" don't know the name in english. In german its called "Einachser". The Agria has an Hirth 250cc Engine 2 Stroke! They are racing in the dirt with these Agria's... maybe a Agria would be a perfect Project for you?
@seuvagem1950
@seuvagem1950 6 жыл бұрын
2:28 damn you convinced me
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Semnick Semnome haha, great! Thanks!
@mrmadmaxalot
@mrmadmaxalot 6 жыл бұрын
haha That was the same moment for me too.
@alphamale7424
@alphamale7424 2 жыл бұрын
You probably don’t think so but your explanations are easily retainable!!! Give yourself more credit my good friend! Appreciate all the time, energy and funds that you put in for the channel!!
@Bennett8187
@Bennett8187 6 жыл бұрын
This makes me want to tune my friends moped thats been sitting outside my garage for a few months
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Ben Lauderdale GO!
@vnsworkshop9961
@vnsworkshop9961 6 жыл бұрын
Great explanation! For those who dubt about i suggest learn about time/area and more specific on blowdown time-area, in your case your positive performance are an e sample of the possibile with clever way! Aniway Thank you to Walter kaaden from mz we know also That timing lesso Thank 180 does nt work perfectly with pipe tuning..
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Vns workshop Thanks!
@austinherald9256
@austinherald9256 Жыл бұрын
On 200 degrees on a 125cc running methanol, Reverse fuel pressure with a readout, change the timing depending and reduce cooling with with tape on the radiator, and also start rich with jetting and work your way down. My 125cc engine dyno’d at 39.7hp in 1997. And also drop one of the piston rings (bottom one)
@integral32gb
@integral32gb 6 жыл бұрын
Alex, nice explain, lots of pen action, can't go wrong with pen action, well at least until the ink runs out. To add abit of info for you and AuMechanic (good basic chamber videos, thumbs up). When engines run, they don't run at a constant rotational speed all the time thru the cycle. So say your rpm meter is displaying 11000rpm, this is the mean rpm, measured at one point in the 360* rotation. If you were to measure the instantaneous crankshaft angular velocity (done with an encoder with the output quad'd to get the resolution down to 0.1-0.2*) on a single cylinder 2 stroke you'll find the instant varies from the mean by as much as +/- 250rpm, 500rpm P-P. The undervalue bottoms around exhaust port open which then gains rpm until the overvalue top just before BDC and then loses rpm back down to the undervalue at exP open. So its not possible to use simple maths for the time that the exP is open and closed and this has an effect on why the natural port duration for resonance usage is not 180* along with other factors involving the sonic wave speed in the pipe itself.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+cara vaggio Thanks! (got stuck in the spam filter...)
@EarthSurferUSA
@EarthSurferUSA 6 жыл бұрын
If the pipe pulse (a sound wave) is released earlier (due to a raised ex port), than it has to come back to the piston earlier also, (not later), since the sound wave is a fairly stable speed, (depending on pipe temps). It's a good point that I had not put that much thought into though. But "your" second pulse (off the piston, which I have never seen before) has to be diminished in strength quite a bit. But that would not matter. Once the port opens again, (the big boom),--that little pulse is going nowhere. Sorry man.
@Driessens_Peter
@Driessens_Peter 9 ай бұрын
if there is one guy i take advice from, then it is from you sir. 👌
@CJSaws
@CJSaws 2 жыл бұрын
The biggest performance killer when raising the exhaust is loss of compression. Keep that in check and you probably won’t notice much difference between a couple degrees.
@plowmaster1206
@plowmaster1206 2 жыл бұрын
And yove just made more blowdown
@xfdfff2620
@xfdfff2620 Жыл бұрын
2 strokes like lower compression anyways
@CJSaws
@CJSaws Жыл бұрын
@@xfdfff2620 no they don't.
@xfdfff2620
@xfdfff2620 Жыл бұрын
@@CJSaws you can just see here in this video at the end, stock head made little more power than high compression one, and vhm head with lower compression insert made more than one with high comp kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXeaoXeqiZZmjq8 This can also be seen in 250 2 strokes
@CJSaws
@CJSaws Жыл бұрын
@@xfdfff2620 too much compression is a different story. There is a sweet spot and it's only lower compression if your comparing it to a motor with too much compression.
@bill154cub
@bill154cub 4 жыл бұрын
How about chain saw engines with no pipe. We raise the exhaust port ceiling, and lower the intake port. Then we cut about 1/8” from the bottom of the piston skirt. I wish I knew more. I port Husqvarna dirtbike vintage engines and they respond very well. Like your videos.
@shiusismail5653
@shiusismail5653 5 жыл бұрын
Very informative. Thank you 🙂
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@jackpostma5407
@jackpostma5407 6 жыл бұрын
Very usefull info ! Thanks ! Will use this for my KR1S !
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Jack Postma Thanks! You're welcome!
@la_plata3588
@la_plata3588 6 жыл бұрын
Port wide 1/2 mm up clean transforports new case bearings seal retainers these bicycle engine can get to 15,000 rpm now they have 92cc motorbike engines 52mm piston
@yourfavoritewelder3162
@yourfavoritewelder3162 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative video. Thanks for you explanation
@donaldmoormeister6442
@donaldmoormeister6442 7 ай бұрын
So many factors not addressed. Tune exhaust design, carburetor tune, boost ports, reed valve,piston port, rotary valve compression, ignition ignition
@1worldgaming18
@1worldgaming18 3 жыл бұрын
tip top top tip : the hotter the exhaust pipe/gas is the faster the sonic pulse travels wrap or ceramic coating helps with this how am i'm gonna get this to work on my outboard engine hmm i don't know yet :) but something has to happen
@scott1brayden2
@scott1brayden2 6 жыл бұрын
With all the issues fuelling the spx with nitro, does the different fuel affect the resonance? As in it depending which fuel used burns/bangs faster or slower the petrol,, meaning faster or slower pulses etc etc
@acurarl9929
@acurarl9929 3 жыл бұрын
QUESTION:: Does more blow down give more torc or top end. Does less blow down give more torc or top end. There is no videos out there saying what more or less blow down does
@janeali1174
@janeali1174 7 ай бұрын
Sir, I need such a help. I want to ask about the port of such a cylinder, how can we increase the speed from its port. Please help me. Please tell me.
@frankcrawford416
@frankcrawford416 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. Very informative!!!
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Frank Crawford Thanks!
@codelicious6590
@codelicious6590 6 жыл бұрын
Hello, I'm just getting into motorized bicycles and this vid brings a question to mind; is resonance a factor in the intake as well? Also, if so how is it different from the exhaust resonance as far as affecting performance?
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
Yes it is, in fact it's a factor throughout the whole engine, the whole system needs to be "in tune" for best results.
@Trumplican
@Trumplican 6 жыл бұрын
I much prefer to widen more than raise.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Dragon800 Smart!
@Patricks_Projects
@Patricks_Projects 6 жыл бұрын
one can only go 'so' big before running into problems with shortcircuiting transfers with exhaust through piston wrist pin.
@Trumplican
@Trumplican 6 жыл бұрын
correct. you need at least 5mm of space between the edge of the port and the cut out on the piston
@Patricks_Projects
@Patricks_Projects 6 жыл бұрын
And by that, one sometimes has to rise exhaust to get desired flow for rpm´s reached for.
@Trumplican
@Trumplican 6 жыл бұрын
yes i realize that. I almost always raise the exhaust some but i think a wide more rectangular port with big auxiliary ports is better than a super high port with no low end performance.
@paansukarjo90
@paansukarjo90 6 жыл бұрын
hello.. sorry I am commenting on an old video.. People always discuss about raising and lowering the port and it will indeed change the power curve of an engine. what happened if we tweak the bottom part of the port, i.e making the port longer down the cylinder, but not changing the port timing. what will happened then? I hope you can explain it if you have this kindof experience. thank you.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
In short lowering the port floor beyond where the piston stops at bdc won't do much at all, in some cases raising it can have a positive effect on power due to less short circuiting and a smaller duct resulting in higher gas velocity during blowdown.
@mareksumguy1887
@mareksumguy1887 6 жыл бұрын
... which results in better scavenging.
@evaork3746
@evaork3746 4 жыл бұрын
Widen the port is power.... make it higher the rpm goes up.. u need a balance between the two....
@bigcazza5260
@bigcazza5260 4 жыл бұрын
the only easy way to do this for me is wack another gasket between the barrel and bottom end, this will also raise my intake, what effects will this have? my motor is a yamaha kt100j (13hp) it revs to about 11280rpm, i managed to get it to compete with its destroked higher output cousin (kt100s) but i seem to run out of power at around 10800
@tronixfix
@tronixfix 5 жыл бұрын
Sometimes i feel like i'm a high exhaust port 😂
@landlockedviking
@landlockedviking 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent! So you could get a custom pipe to match for the added height though?
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, a different pipe might be needed.
@ncode03
@ncode03 3 жыл бұрын
In the age of no internet and KZbin, I've learnt this with trial and error with my little 110cc bike and ruined many cylinder blocks along the way. I learnt that high is always better, but the problem is to find a matching sport exhaust to match it. None of the ones/aftermarket sold in the store would match it but found one old and beat up exhaust matching it perfectly. I did not know it had to do with resonance but now I understand why it's a pain to look for a matching exhaust. It easily hit 180kmh in a few seconds. I used it for drag
@boldmobleify9531
@boldmobleify9531 6 жыл бұрын
Great job with the videos
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+boldmobleify Thanks!
@ferrumignis
@ferrumignis 5 жыл бұрын
Has anyone tried a variable length pipe on a two stroke? Can't easily lengthen a cone, but maybe a short telescopic straight part between the diffuser and the end cone?
@cnnlt200
@cnnlt200 5 жыл бұрын
Yes my dad did on his rc plane 30 years back. Was a 50cc boxer
@bricelarie6527
@bricelarie6527 6 жыл бұрын
Matters with resonance is that a large numbers of moped just can't use it due to configuration the moves the engine ... Exhaust that lift up with engine are bit fragile on tightened points, If you specifically could "find" them, most of times not allowed anymore on roads, And other point is to built parallelogramme balance system onto the moped, ... Which is not either allowed on roads ... Resonance cannot efficiently be used on exhaust with ajustable inclination the move the engine . So, hight exhaust without proper resonance that reduce the frequency bitrate usable is not a solution on most of case . Better look for exhaust port in three pieces two barrels and two smalls laterals ones . You will have a way more longlasting rings ... Endurance the engine sometimes has to be considered ... Once theorical power cannot runs for miles, how get a sense the work done ?
@outbackenduro7418
@outbackenduro7418 2 жыл бұрын
Hello thank you for your video's. What happens to performance when you block off the converging cone exit .... and re route the silencer pipe to the belly area instead. Thus a side exit bend to the silencer instead of conventional exit at rear of converging cone. Hope I made sense.
@danguy2009
@danguy2009 6 жыл бұрын
I have a cheap chinese cylinder kit on a cpi sm 50 (Taiwanese Minarelli am6 copy) I didn't run the kit before rebuilding the bike but the kit had a silly amount of poorly cast, rough material around the exhaust port so in chamfering it I was raising the exhaust port also. in the upper RPM's itll scream away, has a very narrow powerband and not much power in the lower rpms so the engine has to be worked all the time which makes town riding a chore. its almost like a yamaha dt125 with the powervalve pegged open but alot worse since the little 70cc has less power than a 125
@mopoworks7780
@mopoworks7780 5 жыл бұрын
under 100cc low end power and high max power dont go well together at all. maybe you could make it better with a different pipe
@GWAYGWAY1
@GWAYGWAY1 6 жыл бұрын
I knew about the first pulse but not the second one is this why the power-valve works well it it give the flexible power band. Also Why does EVERYTHING in your workshop not go rusty like mine did with a propane heater in there.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Graham Dawes Kinda, power valves lower exhaust timing, but mostly the just screw up the pulse action altogether. This is a good thing outside of the powerband when the pipe is working against you.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Graham Dawes Not sure why stuff dont rust, I keep a small oven on all winter tho, too keep from going below 0°C
@MartyInTheWoods
@MartyInTheWoods 6 жыл бұрын
the problem with rust: the heater does heat the air relatively quickly. Warm air can hold more water and will do so, picking up moisture mainly on the ground, on outside walls and especially in outside corners which are the coldest spots in a garage or workshop or outhouse ;-) The warm and moisture filled air then gets stirred around by the heaters jet EVERYWHERE and cools down around all cold objects and thus pulls down the ability to hold humidity, which leads to condensing. Small droplets of water get deposited on all objects, thus you see rusting on EVERYTHING! A wood burning oven would not have this effect, because the air doesn't not moved that much and the oven gives off most of it's heat in form of infrared radiation - objects get heated directly (stand around a corner, if you can't see the oven, the oven won't heat you! Terrible in small compartmentalized apartments). The wood burning oven gives off only a smaller portion of it's energy by heating the air (convection).
@zozias101
@zozias101 6 жыл бұрын
Are performance crankshafts worth it? Someone told me that performance crankshafts are as strong as oem crankshaft. How much can oem crankshaft take before breaking?
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+zozias101 They're only needed if the stock crank can't handle an increase in rpm or power, or if you're after more/less crankcase volume some of them might help with that. OEM often exceed the so called performance cranks in quality.
@ezequielsanuy167
@ezequielsanuy167 6 жыл бұрын
Not exaust port, but injection port at high pressure making a sort of supercharging, you could inject a little amount of fuel and NOS mixed with special injectors that already exist ( the injector wich inject fuel and NOS mixed), do you undetstand what I said. They Are NOT exaust port puted higher, they are actually injection ports above the exaust line.
@keithheiskell2389
@keithheiskell2389 5 жыл бұрын
but leaving the tube long on the carburetor you gain torque for what you lose in expansion chamber so I don't think I would shorten the tube on the carburetor
@chriseller1551
@chriseller1551 3 жыл бұрын
So are you say you should or shouldn't raise the exhaust port
@troymattingly3071
@troymattingly3071 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@shamzrockkapak
@shamzrockkapak 6 жыл бұрын
sir i wanna ask, if im using over bore cylinder 59mm to 61mm have power valve..exhaust port should be hi also? mean,adding more gasket for cylinder? ..how about the head,need adjustment?..need your help sir..
@outboardfixer
@outboardfixer 2 жыл бұрын
I believe you are talking about what is know as back pressure?? Some back pressure is needed to stop fresh air and gas from escaping out the exhaust while the cylinder is taking in new mixture or CHARGING. To much BACK PRESSURE is NOT good OR to little. Your type of exhaust comes into play here does it not??
@DriesFontaine
@DriesFontaine 6 жыл бұрын
Hi! Me and my friend building a peugeot fox for mopedcross. Do you have tips for porting the original 50cc?
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
Does it have to be the stock cylinder? Probably a pretty bad starting point.
@DriesFontaine
@DriesFontaine 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply! Nope, but it has to be 50cc and i have been told that the original 50cc isn't that bad.
@dopeyd70
@dopeyd70 4 жыл бұрын
With a piston ring out of the bore what should the gap be? I'm asking because I am curious to know how much tension the ring should put onto the cylinder wall when inserted in the bore around the piston?
@ronkrill1
@ronkrill1 2 жыл бұрын
.003" for every inch of diameter of the piston
@jacekgwiazdowski8904
@jacekgwiazdowski8904 6 жыл бұрын
But is it good idea if my engine hasn't got expansion chamber? Thanks.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Jacek Gwiazdowski Without an expansion chamber you won't produce much power no matter what you do. Well, maybe with a turbocharger/supercharger.
@jacekgwiazdowski8904
@jacekgwiazdowski8904 6 жыл бұрын
Ok thanks again!
@guillermocorriente9908
@guillermocorriente9908 5 жыл бұрын
Por favor subtitula tus videos al español! gracias!!
@MrTommy2977
@MrTommy2977 2 жыл бұрын
Simply put 👌
@vespasandengines
@vespasandengines 3 жыл бұрын
If I extend the exhaust timing to be higher... (184deg to 190deg) what effect should it have on my carb jetting? Should it be richer? And which jets? All of them?
@wo8795
@wo8795 2 жыл бұрын
Richer
@wo8795
@wo8795 2 жыл бұрын
But not much richer
@ronchinoy
@ronchinoy Жыл бұрын
Too many things I don't agree with to get into. To start with the pulse speeds are not the same. Not even close. The temp of the exhaust gas when the port opens is higher. And much hotter. Anyway how about doing a video with insanely low Ex port durations and fun things you can do with them. Chambers work better with high exhaust port duration than they do with low ex port durations.
@hectoruccellini7821
@hectoruccellini7821 4 жыл бұрын
Higher exhaust for my dont ist the good idea and less if you don't have a gearbox
@jkoeberlein1
@jkoeberlein1 4 жыл бұрын
So a higher exhaust port is better?
@devans.2555
@devans.2555 5 жыл бұрын
I had my cylinder head ported "sport port" do I have to upjet?
@dannyoutlaw8001
@dannyoutlaw8001 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@gwo7610
@gwo7610 6 жыл бұрын
I get the theory but what happens with engines that do not have a tunned pipe, say a chainsaw motor has a small box silencer, do the pulses still return to the engine with this design?
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Guy Osgerby They do, but as that type of exhaust system usually is very short, the pulses just bounce back and forth a bunch of times each cycle and when the exhaust port is about to close again they're so weak they're almost gone.
@gwo7610
@gwo7610 6 жыл бұрын
fantastic info, cheers. As a video idea can you talk about upper circlip positioning on both sides of the wrist pin? recently i had a circlip wiggle its way loose on a blata ultima minibike, it completely ruined the piston and cylinder as it chewed it up. I've read an opinion they should be positioned either at the 6 or 12 o clock position, how much truth is in this? fantastic channel btw!
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Guy Osgerby Thanks! Too bad about that cylinder! I've always oriented the circlip gap like that too, 6 o clock, not quite sure why that's best. Maybe to avoid the clip "compressing" under piston acceleration. My only real tip concerning circlips is to use the type without any form of "ears". Those "ears" has a bad habit of breaking off.
@gwo7610
@gwo7610 6 жыл бұрын
you hit the nail on the head there, the ones that gave way were the circlips with ears, on the replacement piston and cylinder combo the circlips were a clean cut straight type, really appreciate the reply. fab source of info. cheers
@omkarshinde9939
@omkarshinde9939 6 жыл бұрын
You should make a 4StrokeStuffing channel !!
@ducatipaso1386
@ducatipaso1386 4 жыл бұрын
Longer exaust timing, likes longer exaust systems...
@redsoldier17
@redsoldier17 3 жыл бұрын
so you are saying that the longer the port duration the longer my pipe needs to be? well finding the right pipe size is simple but does having a longer(higher) port duration increase power in the high rpm range? sorry for the newbie question, im just finding ways to squeeze all the power from my 50cc moped
@ducatipaso1386
@ducatipaso1386 3 жыл бұрын
@@redsoldier17 on a piston port twin longer pipe tailcone/timing worked out ok for me but lost in lower rev range. 2 stroke tuning is compromises. If you're really interested into the how & why of tuning small 2 stroke tuning checkout: AuMechanic youtube chanel If youre street riding a 50, big bore kit may be best bang for buck after a pipe & carb...
@meskalin64
@meskalin64 4 жыл бұрын
Size doesnt matter but resonance. Thats not what she said!
@peteripsen5968
@peteripsen5968 6 жыл бұрын
Port High = Half stroke? Stroke 50 mm/ port High 25mm.....
@ElmarDylong
@ElmarDylong 6 жыл бұрын
half stroke means 180° of crankshaft rotation
@martinherbig7723
@martinherbig7723 6 жыл бұрын
The timing is not linear to the stroke... its a sinus function of it... near the TDC an BDC youll have to turn much more degrees to get the same "pistontravel" as 90° between the DCs...
@ElmarDylong
@ElmarDylong 6 жыл бұрын
If we are talking about the exhaust port, half the stroke as port height means 180° of crankshaft rotation.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Peter Ipsen It's a bit more complicated than that. Google "piston travel vs crank rotation"
@peteripsen5968
@peteripsen5968 6 жыл бұрын
Well well well .... i do know that half stroke is 180 degre :-) but, it is not nessesary to make the exhaust port higher than 1/2 off the stroke?
@luist6635
@luist6635 4 жыл бұрын
Hey bro do you work on engines? If it were to ship you mine. Its brand new just want to make it max out on rpm.its for a scooter project.
@Patricks_Projects
@Patricks_Projects 6 жыл бұрын
Go 200degree,, stop the nonsense ;) check drawings from Aprilia RSA cylinder.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Patrick Wetterskog I am going to about 200 with the Spx. Like I said, more rpm but a little less torque = still more hp.
@Patricks_Projects
@Patricks_Projects 6 жыл бұрын
That´s the way to go ;) I got confused with videotitle ;) I run 205degree in my big 211cc engine. i say 'cubic eats duration' It produces max power at 13200rpm. 75.54hp to the crank. Something has to be 'correct' to produce that ;)
@CannondaleF700
@CannondaleF700 6 жыл бұрын
Ifyou worked on 4strokes you wouldn't be spending so much *money*
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+fishsticks But I like 2 strokes better...
@destanstein1875
@destanstein1875 4 жыл бұрын
I just realized iam stupid as shit😅 didn’t understood nothing man... please talk for dummies 😂
@monkeyjuju7441
@monkeyjuju7441 6 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you putting the time to educate us on the lesser known facts of two stroke engines. I mean anyone has the concept of switching the air filter for a "performance" one, changing gear ratios, different spark plug, etc. But this stuff is a bit more outside the box and very intriguing
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@BabyCharlotteschannel
@BabyCharlotteschannel 3 жыл бұрын
@monkey, this is definitely not outside the box on 2stroke engines. Porting the intakes and exhaust ports on a 2 stroke is basically the same as putting a bigger, performance cam in a 4 cycle engine..
@adonaiyahteemann4030
@adonaiyahteemann4030 4 жыл бұрын
Also doesn't the raised exhaust port lower compression
@lengaming1651
@lengaming1651 4 жыл бұрын
Yup
@chri2halty954
@chri2halty954 3 жыл бұрын
You were supposed to counter act this with milling the head.
@WikWak
@WikWak 5 жыл бұрын
So i have a small 2 stroke. I just measured the exhaust port duration and it is a measly 160 degrees. Should i CuT dAt ShiET? seriously though, i want the engine to rev higher, its a single speed transmission and i want more top end.
@eirikrcman1511
@eirikrcman1511 4 жыл бұрын
did you try to cut that shit? if so, what happend?
@WikWak
@WikWak 4 жыл бұрын
@@eirikrcman1511 not much, i did it several times, im at 180 now. Its more about port angles and size it seems. Unless they were the bottleneck all along
@vicke12343
@vicke12343 6 жыл бұрын
When is the video about changing your balancefactor coming? btw, love your videos. They're instructive, not too long nor short, and you explain everything so well, good job man! Keep up the good work! :)
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+MatarengiMoppers Thanks! Not quite sure, lots of stuff going on atm. Won't be too long tho! I just received a new crank for the Spx and I'm pretty sure it has the wrong factor for my setup, I'll use that to show what to do.
@lobmin
@lobmin 6 жыл бұрын
Do you have an educational background in design? Because you're always spot on with your drawings and you always seem to know how to make helpful diagrams
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! No design background.
@cobypondar817
@cobypondar817 3 жыл бұрын
So basically, if i increase the exhaust port, it would be best if i also design a new pipe to match the port?
@randymagnum8721
@randymagnum8721 2 жыл бұрын
bingo
@sidecarbod1441
@sidecarbod1441 2 жыл бұрын
This vid only explains half of what an expansion chamber does, the positive pressure wave that travels down the pipe is partially reflected by the defuser part of the chamber (the diverging cone part), it is reflected as a negative wave, in other words as a partial vacuum. When this vacuum reaches the exhaust port it helps pull fresh charge up from the crankcase via the transfer ports, it actually pulls fresh charge into the exhaust pipe. This fresh charge is rammed back into the cylinder by a positive pressure wave just before the exhaust port closes.
@nathanharland3375
@nathanharland3375 6 жыл бұрын
This totally blows my mind especially when just used to big cc snowmobile engines
@wendellfugate9069
@wendellfugate9069 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tutorial.
@lengaming1651
@lengaming1651 4 жыл бұрын
I just put on a 60cc cylinder on my moped and the exhaust port is "too high", for me at least. It has no torque at all but from like 7 or 8000 rpm the hp is insane and its sketchy to ride. I would wish that it had a little more of both since the old 49cc one had all the torque...
@demetriusthomas2048
@demetriusthomas2048 6 жыл бұрын
Love your videos very informAtive you defenitely need a television channel I'd watch every saturday faithfully at breakfast
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+demetrius thomas Thanks!
@hansiman1977
@hansiman1977 11 ай бұрын
i se the wawe a difrent way. i se it like a pressior wave and controll it with the last pipe before the silanser. the pressior wave has to resunance and have like a little pause ca 10 or 12 cm the port so you get a under presior at the port and a high pressior in the rest of the mufler . the higer the revs the more presior and ther is ver i detirmet the Ø of the last pipe and controll the pause to get max back presior and max wacoom at the port and newer loos all the presior in the mufler. ewrything you push back in the cylinder is free horses.
@marvinlokers7412
@marvinlokers7412 6 жыл бұрын
In the book 2stroke tuning by hayes Its a good book Gr marvin
@marvinlokers7412
@marvinlokers7412 6 жыл бұрын
4 stroke to by hayes book
@MyBullhauler
@MyBullhauler 6 жыл бұрын
Cool video bro !!! I got a old 250 with piston port set up I’m trying to get it running I put new piston rebuild the carb it’s trying to start but no luck what do u think is wrong
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+david voges Thanks! Hard to say, need more info...
@ametti000
@ametti000 6 жыл бұрын
Good series of videos. I'm really enjoying it. Might also be worth noting that the volume above the exhaust port is a sealed chamber containing a huge explosion so earlier you open the exhaust port the earlier the pressure escapes into the exhaust. The force on the piston (and the work done) drops suddenly as soon as the exhaust port is open.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+ametti000 Thanks! True, but then there's the balancing act between energy used to push piston and energy left for the pipe. Might be a video.
@morganandreason
@morganandreason 5 жыл бұрын
Can you tune the expansion chamber to gain more effect on lower revs at the cost of performance on the high end of the power spectrum?
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 5 жыл бұрын
Yes
@thatmotoguy7505
@thatmotoguy7505 5 жыл бұрын
@@2STROKESTUFFING how
@christopherknee5756
@christopherknee5756 4 жыл бұрын
Years ago I saw a König racing outboard engine with tuned pipes that tromboned longer and shorter with the throttle position. I tried to Google that now but found zip. Maybe this was a local experiment. I remember there were a whole bank of pipes that moved. The engine was on the small hydroplanes where the pilot lay down. I loved the racing fuel they used back then.
@avalanche15301
@avalanche15301 3 жыл бұрын
@@christopherknee5756 that would definitely be neat to see.
@bikerbeynard
@bikerbeynard 6 жыл бұрын
I raised the exhaist port on my cylinder i was just wondering How will know when driving if ive raised the exhaust port to high.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
After about 190° you'll start shrinking the rpm range in resonance, if you go too far it'll shrink to such a narrow range it becomes practically unusable - you've made a doorstop...
@richardandres5266
@richardandres5266 4 жыл бұрын
ive seen guys going 200, does higher timing results to a higher rpm range but lower on torque?
@ellgwapo.1754
@ellgwapo.1754 Жыл бұрын
By 🤝 the! Start picture that's aaa' watch i si the seme.
@mpelondamba1505
@mpelondamba1505 6 жыл бұрын
Hello guy! Does the exhaust manifold/flange length have any effect on resonance? If so, can anyone please tell me what the difference would be using a shorter and a longer one? Thanks in advance.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
The pipe in effect starts at the piston face so yes, it's basically part of the header.
@grantmara769
@grantmara769 6 жыл бұрын
What do u think about dimpling port0ing? Intake? Exsaust ? Just like a Golf ball i did it to my race 2 stroke motor thinking it wqill helo admizing my oil gas mix what do u think?
@andredesousa96
@andredesousa96 6 жыл бұрын
Dimpling can help with turbulence, making your fuel more evenly distributed/mixed in the air
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
I have to do some testing with dimpling in various places.
@devvanbutler2758
@devvanbutler2758 6 жыл бұрын
shorten the pipe was my first idea.
@barterfiend1431
@barterfiend1431 6 жыл бұрын
This is a great topic
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Barter Fiend yep! Thanks!
@sidecarbod1441
@sidecarbod1441 6 жыл бұрын
I've seen a few youtube vids on how a 2 stoke expansion chamber work, none of them give the full story! The actual way that they work is that when the port is uncovered a positive pressure wave travels down the pipe but when it reaches the diffuser section of the pipe due to a law of acoustics some of the wave is reflected back up the pipe with a negative sign (in other words a partial vacuum). This vacuum actually helps pull fresh charge up from the crankcase above the piston and even out into the exhaust). Not all of the initial wave was reflected back, some remains as a positive wave and travels along the pipe until it hits the baffle cone, it is then reflected back with the same positive sign, this wave pushes the fresh charge that was 'stored' in the exhaust back into the cylinder. Simples! The acoustic law is basically that a pressure wave (positive or negative) is reflected back as a wave of the opposite sign when it reaches the end of an open pipe. The diffuser is a 'sort of open pipe', not fully open. This is why the diffuser is important in an expansion chamber. The law also states that a pressure wave will be reflected with the same sign when it reaches the closed end of a pipe. The baffle cone is a cone and not a flat plate with a bleed hole in it in order to try to increase the RPM range that the pipe will stay in tune. (The diffuser cone(s) can be tuned in the same way. Steep baffles cone(s) mean that the wave amplitudes are high but the RPM range that the pipe will work is very narrow.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Sidecarbod well explained!
@AuMechanic
@AuMechanic 6 жыл бұрын
That is true and I've just done a video yesterday on it, first in a series of them. What is described here does actually occur, however it is not the basis for tuning calculation. The resonant effective described here is a secondary effect that can benefit or work against, and is more a matter of being fortuitous enough to have a pipe that ends up benefiting from resonance, and not the later. If you happen to have a design and timing that results in a favorable resonant effect, its your lucky day, if the opposite occurs, not so lucky.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+AuMechanic Is your video up yet?
@AuMechanic
@AuMechanic 6 жыл бұрын
Yes it is now, posted last night. First one is just the basics of what occurs, next ones Ill get into the details of each part of it as well as the resonance issues.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+AuMechanic 👍Great stuff, already watched it!
@Barkevshadian
@Barkevshadian 6 жыл бұрын
I want to buy a new Cylinder for my 2 stroke bike. Some have exhaust boosters and some dont. What are exhaust bosters?
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Barkev shadian Auxiliary exhaust ports add area above the transfers - a good thing!
@Barkevshadian
@Barkevshadian 6 жыл бұрын
2STROKE STUFFING Thanks buddy! Nice channel BTW! Keep it up!
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Barkev shadian 👍Thanks!
@Chris-uv8hq
@Chris-uv8hq 5 жыл бұрын
If the exhaust port timing is too high can this be corrected with retarding the ignition? My 85cc dirtbike pops when wot more than 2 seconds jetting is correct. 105 BBC kit installed
@najehannazriq6472
@najehannazriq6472 5 жыл бұрын
Is it 190 degree is suitable port timing duration for all 2 stroke bike ?
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 5 жыл бұрын
Generally, but more is usually needed to get sufficient blowdown time area for max power.
@najehannazriq6472
@najehannazriq6472 5 жыл бұрын
@@2STROKESTUFFING oww .. thanks braah . You awesome . I follow all of your vedio and now , i know more about porting and the other stuff
@JerryLee..
@JerryLee.. 6 жыл бұрын
Just going to hopefully add to the conversation: You can make hp but have the power band so narrow that in real life, the engine falls below the band when shifting. The bike will be very sluggish and won't win any races.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Big-J True
@JerryLee..
@JerryLee.. 6 жыл бұрын
2STROKE STUFFING Can you list your PayPal address direct under the PayPal link in the description? The link doesn't open the app on my phone.
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Big-J degnestransport@gmail.com I'll put a "paypal.me link" too in the description from now on, rather not put my private mail there cause spam...
@JerryLee..
@JerryLee.. 6 жыл бұрын
2STROKE STUFFING Done!
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Big-J Thanks man!
@burtjohnson7298
@burtjohnson7298 6 жыл бұрын
Walter kaaden!
@sinurbia
@sinurbia 6 жыл бұрын
So can this contribute to a weak power band? if not, then what makes a power band sluggish?
@jizburg
@jizburg 3 жыл бұрын
so basicaly the earlyer your port opens the longer the pipe needs to be,
@pascalmarciano9199
@pascalmarciano9199 6 жыл бұрын
Tell us more about time area and blow down :D
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+pascal marciano I'll make a video!
@pascalmarciano9199
@pascalmarciano9199 6 жыл бұрын
Okayy lex, drink more rum for more sum HAHAH!!
@lennyseater916
@lennyseater916 2 жыл бұрын
i raised the exhaust port on my motorised bike it doesn’t rev quite as hard now but i also don’t have an expansion chamber will it be better with an expansion chamber ?
@joshdean5867
@joshdean5867 Жыл бұрын
Obviously
@nnnn-si6xg
@nnnn-si6xg 6 жыл бұрын
When i port my yamaha jog 50cc cylinder i notice that Higher exhaust port gives very very much power put makes it lot more rpm but with giannelli exhaust,190° exhaust port and 19mm carb i get 96km/h
@KnoltoRider
@KnoltoRider 6 жыл бұрын
So raise the ex port, lower the compression you gain the 17600 rpm?
@2STROKESTUFFING
@2STROKESTUFFING 6 жыл бұрын
+Knolto 125Rider With enough blowdown area, yes.
@KnoltoRider
@KnoltoRider 6 жыл бұрын
2STROKE STUFFING so that your ex had an extremely smal pipe, then have you cut edge on piston top instead cut the ex port, at least open and closed duration wil be same degree
@ridefast591
@ridefast591 6 жыл бұрын
Knolto 125Rider ramping the piston still changes the timing
@KPRTchannel
@KPRTchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Good content.
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